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gonzaw
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gonzaw
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Toadesstern
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gonzaw
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Choose the scum between them based on this lynch. Now | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 26 2014 08:00 gonzaw wrote: Why didn't you make any post about this? You didn't care to tell us why you changed your mind on your lead scum suspect? (Remember, your other "lead" scum suspect Prome was town to you after your analysis) Anyways, VE lynched I guess ....welp Because I was focused on the day 1 vote switched. There was a lot of good information in that, including the timing of the votes on how sandroba voted for Promethelax. That was higher priority since I knew that it could possibly nearly-confirm 5 people as town. Would you rather try to confirm 5 people as town or 1 person as mafia? I went through the votes and all the timing to make sure that that analysis is sound because it sets the town in motion for an accurate plan to win the game. Also because it was pointed out that VE and WoS were likely mafia because of the votes on me. When this was brought up with compelling arguments I focused on WoS because he was one of my initial suspects day 1. Since HolyFlare got replaced I thought that Toad could have a day to convince us of his alignment, and that seemed okay because town was focused on VE and WoS. And that was good for the town and the right thing for the town to do. If the town spent the entire day debating about HolyFlare and newcomer Toad it would not have been as productive. And that's still true even after VE now flipped green. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 26 2014 08:09 Toadesstern wrote: not really.... I'm trying really hard to not be a dick here, believe me I'm trying Why? | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 26 2014 08:09 gonzaw wrote: Foo, right now these are your "scum suspects": Toad/kita/WOS. Choose the scum between them based on this lynch. Now WoS/Kita. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 26 2014 08:09 gonzaw wrote: Foo, right now these are your "scum suspects": Toad/kita/WOS. Choose the scum between them based on this lynch. Now can I answer this? Can I answer this? I got a pie-chart: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7sroMdW.png) I gave in to being a dick... | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 26 2014 08:15 Toadesstern wrote: can I answer this? Can I answer this? I got a pie-chart: I gave in to being a dick... Actually this is really good information. + Show Spoiler + If you thought it was a dick thing to do you could have just typed that all out? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 26 2014 08:09 Foolishness wrote: Because I was focused on the day 1 vote switched. There was a lot of good information in that, including the timing of the votes on how sandroba voted for Promethelax. That was higher priority since I knew that it could possibly nearly-confirm 5 people as town. Would you rather try to confirm 5 people as town or 1 person as mafia? I went through the votes and all the timing to make sure that that analysis is sound because it sets the town in motion for an accurate plan to win the game. Also because it was pointed out that VE and WoS were likely mafia because of the votes on me. When this was brought up with compelling arguments I focused on WoS because he was one of my initial suspects day 1. Since HolyFlare got replaced I thought that Toad could have a day to convince us of his alignment, and that seemed okay because town was focused on VE and WoS. And that was good for the town and the right thing for the town to do. If the town spent the entire day debating about HolyFlare and newcomer Toad it would not have been as productive. And that's still true even after VE now flipped green. I'm not convinced. You make no mention of that. Only NOW you are explaining yourself, instead of explaining yourself when you should have (i.e when you actually had these thoughts). If the town spent the entire day debating about HolyFlare and newcomer Toad it would not have been as productive. On late-D2 there was plenty to discuss about Toad (who had posted a lot of stuff), and well, also Holy. You didn't either. Okay, why not Toad? Toad ended up D2 voting you. You think that makes him townie or something? Or that he has good basis for voting you? These are the people voting for you last cycle: VE, WoS, Toad, kita Who do you believe had the "best intentions" with their vote? Apparently Toad? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On January 26 2014 08:16 Foolishness wrote: Actually this is really good information. + Show Spoiler + If you thought it was a dick thing to do you could have just typed that all out? It is good information that you are scum in that chart? So...you confess being scum? Since apparently it's "good information" | ||
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gonzaw
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gonzaw
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Does that give you any info about it? Are both pushes lead by scum or misled townies? Do you care about being such a hot topic? Why are you so calm at times where you almost get lynched? If you get lynched, from your POV town lynches a townie. Wouldn't you make your best damned effort in trying to get town to lynch scum? If they lynch you, town loses in the long run by default (you are town). Last cycle, you got quite a bit of votes (4, you were leading at one point), and your runner up was VE. Yet you didn't really seem to care that much? Your lynch would be town (from your POV), and the VE lynch would be kind of random (specially since you said you didn't really know and you thought maybe the scum would be between WoS and Toad, etc). Are you apathetic to the fact that town should lynch scum? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 26 2014 08:29 gonzaw wrote: It is good information that you are scum in that chart? So...you confess being scum? Since apparently it's "good information" He's going to tell you that the chart is the reason he thinks it's WoS/Kita. WoS because he's still certain about him readwise, Kita because of d1+d2 combination and that he himself looks bad because he got back too late and couldn't catch up in time. I guess we should all reread Kitas filter tomorrow (as in, it's 00:40 am over here). There was no discussion about him whatsoever today. I got my sweet time, VE had his sweet time, Foolish had his sweet time and so did WoS but I don't actually remember anyone talking about Kita. The piechart is obviously a gross exaggeration. I didn't have a townread on VE at all, and WoS... well he did but I don't know if that makes it any better to come up with a townread on VE... but I do think it has some information to it that shouldn't be ignored. | ||
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gonzaw
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...congratz Wave? @Foo: You think scum Wave was buddying up to VE there then? Your read of him changes nothing based on that fact? He defended VE ever since D1 (way WAY back), and he kept consistent with it. At points even he felt almost compelled to vote VE based on VE doing some shit, yet didn't. Also, please explain, in really attentive detail, what makes you go from having Holy as sure scum on D1, to having Toad as "very very likely town" right now. I mean, from your POV you have 3 people to be scum, and you leave Toad out of it. From what you've been posting I don't see anything to make me think you really think he's super duper town. So what is it? Care to point out some quotes, or something? @Toad: What do you think of Foo apparently buddying up to you now? I mean, he called you the most likely scum after VE, yet now he backed out of that apparently and thinks kita is scum with Wave. You "know" he's scum, so do you think he'd continuously buddy up to you to bus his teammate kita? He could have easily said "WoS/Toad" up there. That would be consistent with what he said last night, and from your POV it would be on 2 townies. That'd be good for a kita+Foo scumteam right? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
He was here all throughout before deadline, poking Foo, even trying to figure out with me if we should lynch either VE or Foo. I.e he was engaged trying to figure out the lynch. Toad, if you think kita is scum, do you see him doing this? Specially if he attacks his scumbuddy Foo and the like? If you think Wave is scum, do you think he'd defend VE SO MUCH all over D1 and D2, yet bus his buddy Foolishness all D1 and all D2? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 26 2014 08:31 gonzaw wrote: kita, what do you make of this flip? makes me wish we were on foolishness I'm going to reread austin and marv for the sake of making sure that I'm not missing the big picture. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 26 2014 08:24 gonzaw wrote: I'm not convinced. You make no mention of that. Only NOW you are explaining yourself, instead of explaining yourself when you should have (i.e when you actually had these thoughts). How did I not make myself clear? I explained my thoughts about the votes here, and here, and here. In that last post I explained why I was onto WoS again. In subsequent posts I explained why I was going in that direction and I clearly wasn't hiding any information. I didn't make mention of my read on HolyFlare? That's right I didn't, because why is it necessary when I'm bringing other information to the town? Crucial and new information about the votes and the timing of the votes. On January 26 2014 08:24 gonzaw wrote: On late-D2 there was plenty to discuss about Toad (who had posted a lot of stuff), and well, also Holy. You didn't either. Okay, why not Toad? Toad ended up D2 voting you. You think that makes him townie or something? Or that he has good basis for voting you? These are the people voting for you last cycle: VE, WoS, Toad, kita Who do you believe had the "best intentions" with their vote? Apparently Toad? You said to choose based on the lynch and I gave you the answers just based on the lynch. From what I've seen of the past 24 hours Toad's actions seem more congruent than Kitaman's. I will go make sure their posts are in line with this train of thought (keep in mind there are pages I didn't read and some I quickly skimmed through). I also liked what Toad said about VE, but that could just be because I was feeling the same way. And yes, so far I think Toad has the best intentions with his vote. Question for you now: this isn't the first time I've explained something and you said you were "not convinced". Furthermore, when I bring up facts and thoughts about the game thus far you seem to ask questions about other related things instead of bringing up my points directly and either refuting them or disagreeing with them. This tells me that you are actually in agreement with a lot of things that I'm saying and are just trying to look for things about me that may or may not be there. Are you so concerned about the slim chance of me being mafia that you are willing to sacrifice the good of the town just to make sure? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 26 2014 07:40 Foolishness wrote: In terms of actual connections between I haven't done a thorough analysis to say "these two players could be a likely pair". One thing I did take notice of was that in day 1 Kitaman was pushing hard for sandroba (and voted for sandroba twice during the day). I think this says something because why would Kitaman be drawing so much attention to his obviously semi-inactive mafia teammate (especially on day 1, and especially on a player who is known for being inactive as mafia)? Because of this I don't find Kitaman likely to be mafia with sandroba. For the remaining three players I could potentially see any of them being together at this point. I haven't read Toad's filter closely, and everytime I read HolyFlare's I go back and forth on whether I think he's mafia or town. At the moment I think Toad is least likely mafia out of the three. I still think it could make sense for you (Toad) to be with either VE or WoS or sandroba but I don't have anything hard to give you in regards to that. lol that didn't take long | ||
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