On January 26 2014 07:40 Foolishness wrote: [... snipped out for thread's sake...]
only talking about the part that answered me. Than what about this:
On January 25 2014 10:15 Foolishness wrote:
On January 25 2014 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 25 2014 10:06 Foolishness wrote:
On January 25 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1.
I see absolutely zero reason why this section of your post is relevant, and I've said it multiple times before. I don't ever see mafia members actively trying to push lynches off their scumbuddies. However if you actually do think this way, maybe it explains why you as scum were trying to save sandroba?
As I said above, if you and kitaman want to run down the conspiracy theory hole even after there's a boatload of evidence proving my innocence and very little evidence proving yours (and VE's, and Toad's, and Kitaman's) then that's cool when you lose the game for the town.
I win games.
Silly question then in regards to your last post: Which two of the four of us are scum? And 'it doesn't matter' doesn't cut it because there is no way in hell the rest of the players in this game will simply follow your instructions and lynch those 4 without considering all options.
That's not a silly question. I believe it is you [note: you=WoS] and Toad. Though I go back and forth on whether it's Toad or VE.
Kitaman went after sandroba a lot on day 1. He called him out early, voted on him (twice) and pushed his case. I don't see him doing that to his own scumbuddy (moreso since sandroba was inactive so his case just kept looking better over time).
I might add that I've been voting WoS ever since the start of D2, you seem to be pretty certain on WoS, you see me voting WoS as well, you're torn between VE and me and you think I'm the better candidate for the 2nd mafia seat than VE becaaaaause?
Add to that, that when you answered that question and showed explanation you showed explanation on WoS + VE when VE is the guy that dropped out of your list and was replaced with me. Shouldn't you have at least some kind of explanation for why I got into that #2 position in favor of VE when you make such a bold statement as to say that team mafia is WoS and me bussing each other while hoping that whoever survives skates through until lylo?
I've explained that my read on VE is just like, a gut feeling and not much more. I can see his actions from a townie mindset. I would not lynch you until both WoS and VE are dead (unless I was able to get a really good case on you of course).
On January 26 2014 07:32 gonzaw wrote: Toad, what do you think of Foo's last posts?
Me and kita are kind of on the fence with this lynch, and have enough votes to swing the lynch to either VE or Foolishness. You think VE is town then? Will you try to convince us to lynch Foo, or will you do nothing until deadline waiting for your townread to get lynched?
I don't have a townread on VE, if I had one I'd be kicking and screaming. I didn't come to a conclusion on him because the same happened to me like 4 days ago and I happened to be town in that game which is giving me shivers.
I'm kind of busy right now and only f5'in inbetween. I've told you guys to get on Foo, I told you multiple times so far and it's been ignored. I don't have the time to make a case right now. I DO think Foolishness is the way better lynch though and I DO think that reading VE tomorrow will be easier than today. That should already be enough if you seem to have the same problems I have with the recent stuff he has posted.
Again, there's cookies over here so please come over
VE basically gave up a long time ago, and I doubt he'll "pick up" and start putting effort. Why would you think reading VE will get any easier? What if he keeps doing nothing and saying he's apathetic and doing the stuff he did this D2? Will you say "Let's keep him around till D4, SURELY it'll be easier to read him by then"?
Also please realize Toad that I firmly believe the game ends if the following four people die: WoS, VE, Kitaman, Toad.
This is based off of confirming the other players as town. Look at it as process of elimination, not so much I have a scumread on you and evidence to back it up. That's why I said you can prove yourself as town to us over time.
Didn't you want to lynch Holy before sandroba? Has Toad's play changed your mind on him or is it just that WoS's and VE's play is just much worse since then?
Hmm, okay. It's 8 minutes before lynch. I assume all scum have already placed their votes where they want them to. So...what do these votes tell us? What do they tell us about VE and Foo and others?
I'll try to see if I can figure it out before deadline reaches.
kita, you here for a possible switch or something? You believe we should keep the lynch on VE now, or do some shenannies?
Foo, will you vote WoS, even when it's "clear" (barring shenannies that WILL NOT happen) that he's not getting lynched? You don't want to vote VE, or you think the vote on him is pointless at this point, or do you prefer voting someone else and convincing us of that or something?
On January 26 2014 07:32 gonzaw wrote: Toad, what do you think of Foo's last posts?
Me and kita are kind of on the fence with this lynch, and have enough votes to swing the lynch to either VE or Foolishness. You think VE is town then? Will you try to convince us to lynch Foo, or will you do nothing until deadline waiting for your townread to get lynched?
I don't have a townread on VE, if I had one I'd be kicking and screaming. I didn't come to a conclusion on him because the same happened to me like 4 days ago and I happened to be town in that game which is giving me shivers.
I'm kind of busy right now and only f5'in inbetween. I've told you guys to get on Foo, I told you multiple times so far and it's been ignored. I don't have the time to make a case right now. I DO think Foolishness is the way better lynch though and I DO think that reading VE tomorrow will be easier than today. That should already be enough if you seem to have the same problems I have with the recent stuff he has posted.
Again, there's cookies over here so please come over
VE basically gave up a long time ago, and I doubt he'll "pick up" and start putting effort. Why would you think reading VE will get any easier? What if he keeps doing nothing and saying he's apathetic and doing the stuff he did this D2? Will you say "Let's keep him around till D4, SURELY it'll be easier to read him by then"?
I will actually vouch for Toad in that I see where he's coming from about VE being easier to read later on. But you're point gonzaw makes a lot of sense as well. Two different ways of approaching it.
I'm moving my vote now because I actually have no idea what the vote count is. The case on WoS still stands but Gonzaw's point about VE makes his lynch better for the town as a whole.
On January 26 2014 07:32 gonzaw wrote: Toad, what do you think of Foo's last posts?
Me and kita are kind of on the fence with this lynch, and have enough votes to swing the lynch to either VE or Foolishness. You think VE is town then? Will you try to convince us to lynch Foo, or will you do nothing until deadline waiting for your townread to get lynched?
I don't have a townread on VE, if I had one I'd be kicking and screaming. I didn't come to a conclusion on him because the same happened to me like 4 days ago and I happened to be town in that game which is giving me shivers.
I'm kind of busy right now and only f5'in inbetween. I've told you guys to get on Foo, I told you multiple times so far and it's been ignored. I don't have the time to make a case right now. I DO think Foolishness is the way better lynch though and I DO think that reading VE tomorrow will be easier than today. That should already be enough if you seem to have the same problems I have with the recent stuff he has posted.
Again, there's cookies over here so please come over
VE basically gave up a long time ago, and I doubt he'll "pick up" and start putting effort. Why would you think reading VE will get any easier? What if he keeps doing nothing and saying he's apathetic and doing the stuff he did this D2? Will you say "Let's keep him around till D4, SURELY it'll be easier to read him by then"?
If he continues to be emotional, yes lynch him. If he pulls himself together we can watch what he does d3. Speaking from my experience, I just needed a sack of sleep to cool down, that's why.
On January 26 2014 07:54 gonzaw wrote: kita, you here for a possible switch or something? You believe we should keep the lynch on VE now, or do some shenannies?
If VE is unwilling to return to save himself, then I don't think we should bother trying to save him.
He had all D2 to "pull himself together". Remember how nobody pressured him or anything on D2? He basically said he's not mad or anything, just apathetic. That's basically proof he won't "pull himself together".
On January 26 2014 07:53 kitaman27 wrote: Didn't you want to lynch Holy before sandroba? Has Toad's play changed your mind on him or is it just that WoS's and VE's play is just much worse since then?
Yes I did. I thought Holy was mafia based on his posts and his replacement posts. After the lynch I went back and reread them and thought "okay I can see him as town saying these things even if they are suspect". As I said earlier I go back and forth on his posts.
Toad seems like he's trying to figure things out, and even if I don't agree with his arguments he's doing things for the town and VE is not. I can't argue against VE here. I'm very confident about my read on WoS at this point, it will be reevaluated for the following day because he should be lynched asap.
On January 26 2014 07:54 gonzaw wrote: kita, you here for a possible switch or something? You believe we should keep the lynch on VE now, or do some shenannies?
If VE is unwilling to return to save himself, then I don't think we should bother trying to save him.
On January 26 2014 07:53 kitaman27 wrote: Didn't you want to lynch Holy before sandroba? Has Toad's play changed your mind on him or is it just that WoS's and VE's play is just much worse since then?
Yes I did. I thought Holy was mafia based on his posts and his replacement posts. After the lynch I went back and reread them and thought "okay I can see him as town saying these things even if they are suspect". As I said earlier I go back and forth on his posts..
Why didn't you make any post about this?
You didn't care to tell us why you changed your mind on your lead scum suspect? (Remember, your other "lead" scum suspect Prome was town to you after your analysis)
VisceraEyes was enjoying some porkchops in his backyard, when the town came bustling in. They grabbed him and started to tear him into pieces. He was baconing them to stop, but the poor kid porked quickly. I ham here to tell you that the meat was over date. Pig trouble on the horizon. VisceraEyes has been lynched! It is now Night 2! Mafia has until 21:59 GMT (+00:00) to send in their actions. Day 3 starts at 22:59 GMT (+00:00).
On January 26 2014 07:54 gonzaw wrote: kita, you here for a possible switch or something? You believe we should keep the lynch on VE now, or do some shenannies?
If VE is unwilling to return to save himself, then I don't think we should bother trying to save him.
Do you agree with this?
In terms of what is good for the town yes. Even if I'm sure about WoS and not as confident about VE, a VE lynch is probably better for the town. Hence why I agreed with what Gonzaw said above even though my heart tells me that Toad is right in waiting another day to evaluate him.
EPT
