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I agree with the 'odn't judge me solely by the length of my filter,' but I really feel at this point my contributions should speak for themselves. My worse D1 can more be attributed to my D1 not usually being particularly good, and having one of those days be on a day where I couldn't contibute much at all.
I grow more confident in my reads and posting as a game goes on, and I don't plan on falling off much (maybe solely to reduce spam). At some point my later day efforts SHOULD overshadow slightly poorer performance, especially if that performanve is not objectovely scummy (rather being painted as such)
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On January 27 2014 07:29 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2014 07:28 gonzaw wrote:
austin, you think WoS had no contributions on D2? I mean, I think when we all said "he put lots of effort" we meant "he put lots of meaningful effort". I think he had some good contributions. I think he has a lot of filler-y contributions. I think that everyone is happy to say "active/contribute-y" and nobody yet has really dug into what % of posts falls into which category. Heck, SOME of the posts swapping reads on WoS weren't "he had a lot of good contributions," but were instead specifically billed as "he's putting in too much effort to be mafia."
Well, certainly not me.
I tend to gain accurate town reads by the way I see someone behave in the thread with me around. Wave gave me good enough feelings about that.
By that I mean, when I'm in the thread, I can notice thread sentiment, the current discussions and hot topics of interest. Based on those, I see a Wave acting in a way (pressuring people, coming to conclusions, chatting with me or others, etc), that seems consistent with how a townie would approach it. Mostly because a town Wave has the SAME information as me. A town Wave would see the same thread sentiment, see the same topics of discussions, etc. Based on that, and the way he did stuff, it gives me good vibes man.
Basically the same reason I think marvy is townie town. If you read his filter, and see each individual post outside of context, you might say "But he isn't doing much!". The point is that context is important, and it's even MORE important while you are experiencing it (not really when you go back from the future and try to figure out what happened).
That's kind of why I think it's important to make shout outs to the people acting like that while you are having those feelings, so it goes on record those guys behaved like that in that townie way at that time, both for other players and for you to remember later.
I feel Wave acted like that the most on D2. I want to believe I'm not such a fucktard to let scum Wave fool me like that...
...I hope...
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There's no such thing as objectively scummy, really
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Lol I'd like to think I could do it as scum---i did fool marv before but I should say at the time Les Mafia was my shortest filter ever thread-percentage-wise.
Its definitely tougher to post freely and there is way less motivation to 'be around' if the thread is going how you like.
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You've been paying for that with my suspicions on you ever since, probably.
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Yeah that's the price you get for playing too good for your own sake. I'll never forget that after Liar Game.
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austin, question for you: do you think Fool's certainty on Wave is warranted?
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Funny thing is, gonzaw, you've been kinda terrible as mafia ever since then, when you were amazing... lol
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On January 27 2014 07:29 marvellosity wrote:
hey austin, no hard feelings buddy. Jeez :p
I would say, austin, that some of your last-man-standing type efforts have actually been some of the most unique things I've seen from TL mafia players. So while you may have a sprinkling of a point with your effort thingy, if you're extrapolating from yourself then I'm not sure that's a correct thing to do or expect ^^
I think the only person I've ever see post that many pages in one phase/cycle as mafia is rayn.
gonzaw has brought it up as conspiracy theory a crapton, so might as well use it against other people than me:
VE and me in LI
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On January 27 2014 07:41 marvellosity wrote:
You've been paying for that with my suspicions on you ever since, probably.
And you will pay when you finally roll scum in a game with me 
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On January 27 2014 07:42 marvellosity wrote:
austin, question for you: do you think Fool's certainty on Wave is warranted? No, I can't go that far. Especially with foolishness also being iffy on alignment at this point, but even if we knew he was town, I'd be less certain than Foolishness and unsure how foolishness can be so certain.
I just have a love affair with the unpopular opinion, and so the one guy going "no, there are some legitimate reasons WoS could be/is scum" appeals to me, whereas, even if Gonzaw isn't, there HAVE been posts that purely equate WoS's filter length/effort with townieness.
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On January 27 2014 07:43 marvellosity wrote:
Funny thing is, gonzaw, you've been kinda terrible as mafia ever since then, when you were amazing... lol
Well, I REALLY liked Liar Game (comic) and the mechanics of said game (the whole voting tiers stuff with the "townie circle" was just so much fun)
Also I was at my mafia youth, full of energy and motivation. Then I got mafia old 
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I'm just old.k actually out now for.a couple hrs
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I'd also like to believe that as my mafia play got worse, my town play got better...
...but that has yet to be seen this game (please don't let the scumteam be marv+austin or some shit please please)
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On January 27 2014 07:44 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2014 07:42 marvellosity wrote:
austin, question for you: do you think Fool's certainty on Wave is warranted? No, I can't go that far. Especially with foolishness also being iffy on alignment at this point, but even if we knew he was town, I'd be less certain than Foolishness and unsure how foolishness can be so certain. I just have a love affair with the unpopular opinion, and so the one guy going "no, there are some legitimate reasons WoS could be/is scum" appeals to me, whereas, even if Gonzaw isn't, there HAVE been posts that purely equate WoS's filter length/effort with townieness.
it's a lazy way of saying something. gonzaw gave reasons well enough. You could say "he has a massive filter and that is townie purely for effort". Or you can extrapolate a little and say "he has a massive filter and on balance his posting within this have left me feeling pretty good" or "he has a massive filter and his posts feel townie and i can't see him pushing an agenda"
Also in a vacuum, 95% of people who post that much in a phase/cycle are town. Now I pulled that figure right out my ass, but you get the idea. Oddly it's actually one of my weaknesses. rayn in ## was one of the few times i lynched a really active mafia, because in general i tend to find filter length a massive town indicator, and early in games I tend to go for quieter, lurkier scumplayers, and later in games i tend not to be alive.
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On January 27 2014 07:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2014 07:44 austinmcc wrote:On January 27 2014 07:42 marvellosity wrote:
austin, question for you: do you think Fool's certainty on Wave is warranted? No, I can't go that far. Especially with foolishness also being iffy on alignment at this point, but even if we knew he was town, I'd be less certain than Foolishness and unsure how foolishness can be so certain. I just have a love affair with the unpopular opinion, and so the one guy going "no, there are some legitimate reasons WoS could be/is scum" appeals to me, whereas, even if Gonzaw isn't, there HAVE been posts that purely equate WoS's filter length/effort with townieness. it's a lazy way of saying something. gonzaw gave reasons well enough. You could say "he has a massive filter and that is townie purely for effort". Or you can extrapolate a little and say "he has a massive filter and on balance his posting within this have left me feeling pretty good" or "he has a massive filter and his posts feel townie and i can't see him pushing an agenda" Also in a vacuum, 95% of people who post that much in a phase/cycle are town. Now I pulled that figure right out my ass, but you get the idea. Oddly it's actually one of my weaknesses. rayn in ## was one of the few times i lynched a really active mafia, because in general i tend to find filter length a massive town indicator, and early in games I tend to go for quieter, lurkier scumplayers, and later in games i tend not to be alive. It's a lazy way of saying something, but given the choice of "effort = townieness" and "these contributory posts = townieness", the first is not just lazy but is ALSO the more likely thing to come from mafia that were happy with where WoS was going into N1/D2 and then unhappy when he started getting super post happy and reads started changing.
I know either alignment can say it, it's shorthand. But if you want to hand-wave a scummy lean on WoS away, you can just say "MINNY POSTS GG TOWNWAVE," and when a couple people do that, maybe scum is in there.
Besides, it's lazy of ME to just say "no, some people just said # of posts = townie" and not actually go find those posts. I don't have any non-lazy ground to stand on.
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Arggh I read Prome's filter and get confused. I can see the stuff Wave and VE posted about him, some stuff can be constructed as scummy. His lack of activity this weekend (based on IRL) doesn't help.
But then it confuses me because of the sandro shit, his jump on sandro's vote, and the fact that if Foo flips scum he just has to be town.
Dunno wtf to think of him. Just leave him be until LYLO I guess, then get all tin-foil hat wonky
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Anyways, before the clock hits midnight, you guys have any thoughts about the shit I posted last page? Mostly about that stuff I said about Holy back on D1. Austin, do you still believe it doesn't really matter much?
Marv, you used it as a good argument to think Holy was scum, then backed out when he made that "I sub out" post. After reading what I posted again, do you still think it's valid or not?
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+ Show Spoiler [not game related] +[23:53:37] <Elementaryschool> is tl down for anyone else
[23:54:05] <Ferrose> works for me
[23:54:22] <Elementaryschool> grrr
[23:54:28] <Elementaryschool> i can get on everything but tl
[23:54:41] <ecael> toad with similar problem earlier
[23:54:44] <Elementaryschool> how was tsm vs coast eca
[23:54:49] <Wreakhavoc> when will eca make his return
[23:54:50] <Toad|> yes
[23:54:54] <ecael> boring
[23:54:55] <Toad|> TL down
[23:55:00] * warara (~XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX)
[23:55:08] <Elementaryschool> tl;dr tsmmmmmmmmmmm, eca?
sorry TL has been pinging me out the entire day. I've got some posts in, not even sure if they got through but I'll leave it at this for today and try tomorrow. No idea what this is
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I don't expect to die tonight. If I do, I'm mostly waiting to see the NK before messing hard with any reads.
Just gut stupid stuff right now:
If I die, take marv SLIGHTLY scummier on your lists. In terms of "people who might kill austinmcc," he's up there. I'm almost always suspicious of him, I almost always fight him on things. I don't see any PARTICULAR reasons for people to kill me, and as far as anyone who gains from me being dead, marv who thinks I might be on his ass later gets that out of the way.
I DO think Foolishness's post on WoS has some legit points. No, I don't want to lynch WoS tomorrow right now.
Brussels sprouts + bacon + bourbon/apple cider vinegar reduction sauce is GOOD. Everyone go cook.
That's...not a lot of thoughts.
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