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gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 26 2014 21:32 GMT
#2001
Oh oh, new Walking Dead comic is out!
Don't mind me then.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 26 2014 21:59 GMT
#2002
One hour until the Daypost. Mafia may no longer change their shot.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 26 2014 22:02 GMT
#2003
Yay! So who will die tonight?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 26 2014 22:08 GMT
#2004
Hey gonz. I'm guessing you buddy. I'm not feeling much better than earlier, dunno what anyone else's excuse is :p
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 26 2014 22:13 GMT
#2005
On January 27 2014 07:08 marvellosity wrote:
Hey gonz. I'm guessing you buddy. I'm not feeling much better than earlier, dunno what anyone else's excuse is :p


Aww, I was having fun

Anyways, I guess lynch Foo tomorrow. Don't really know what else town could do, there's just too much scummy shit on him. He's also the one "pushing a scum agenda" most out of all of us.

Then I dunno. If I have time I'll reread Prome....although like you said....maybe it's a waste (how on earth could he be scum with the possible scum teams?).
Maybe read austin then....but dunno if I'll find anything, specially before any Foo' flip or stuff.

Also if I die...read my filter I guess?

If someone like austin or Prome or you dies tonight then I'll be fucking pissed and relieved at the same time.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 26 2014 22:16 GMT
#2006
Also can someone please make a case on kita? There are already 2 dudes calling him super duper scum and lots calling him "maybe" (even our super townie VE voted him on D2) and there's not been a single case on him yet.
If kita is town, then don't let him get mislynched like this. If he's scum, how the fuck are you gonna lynch him without a case or anything convincing?

Actually kita, if you are town, I advice you to start getting your motor running and try to be active as shit and post lots of interesting stuff and be townie as fuck. Maybe you won't get mislynched tomorrow, maybe not the next cycle, but I almost assure you if we ever get to LYLO you'll be there, and it won't be pretty.
Imagine a Prome+Toad+kita LYLO. Did you? Was it as scary as it sounds? Then try to prevent funny shit from happening if it ever gets down to that.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 26 2014 22:17 GMT
#2007
If you die, I'll have to lead town though. And I'm so enjoying just being a contributor for a change.

If Prome is mafia in the end, then this game isn't worthy of it's billing :<
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 26 2014 22:19 GMT
#2008
Anyways, nobody unvote Nessy tomorrow until he can make an actual case on someone, kita primarily, and acknowledging the WoS stuff as well.
But don't talk to him, if not he'll post huge walls of text about the sandro votes over and over. Nobody wants that. Let him do his "thing" where he spends 90% of the time making "flawless analysis".

WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 26 2014 22:21 GMT
#2009
Pshhh.
I'm not even mentioned in NK candidates?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 26 2014 22:22 GMT
#2010
On January 27 2014 07:17 marvellosity wrote:
If you die, I'll have to lead town though. And I'm so enjoying just being a contributor for a change.

If Prome is mafia in the end, then this game isn't worthy of it's billing :<

Its a shadow game.
Its all about me.
Be back lata, and I will look into kita as I promised.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 26 2014 22:23 GMT
#2011
On January 27 2014 07:19 gonzaw wrote:
Anyways, nobody unvote Nessy tomorrow until he can make an actual case on someone, kita primarily, and acknowledging the WoS stuff as well.
But don't talk to him, if not he'll post huge walls of text about the sandro votes over and over. Nobody wants that. Let him do his "thing" where he spends 90% of the time making "flawless analysis".


Actually this might be too harsh perhaps.
<3 Nessy :3
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 26 2014 22:25 GMT
#2012
gg VE

On January 26 2014 11:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 06:29 Toadesstern wrote:
hey VE, if you're still there, do what WoS asked you to do.
Start quoting what got you angry. I don't care what it is, start doing so.

This and one of Toad's posts earlier struck me as buddying considering I was nigh unlynchable at that point, but I am going to leave that thought behind and move forward, because more than anything he was right.

Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 06:35 austinmcc wrote:
On January 26 2014 05:37 gonzaw wrote:
austin, what do you think about what I posted about Wave?:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137&currentpage=81#1610

Do you still prefer to lynch him over Toad?
Yes.

On January 26 2014 05:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 26 2014 05:35 austinmcc wrote:
Mostly afk while cooking delicious foods. Still considering. I don't think I'm straying from VE and Foolishness today. Don't want to vote Toad right now, so if I strayed it would be possible WoS (weird townread on VE, some posts with a small quantity of meat (same applies to Foolishness), and he also +1ed Foolishness's "sandroba active now so he's probably townie" statement).

Kita is entirely off my radar in a bad way, I have not chatted with him today like I wanted to, and when I think of his filter this game, nothing particularly good or bad springs to mind. He's also still the probably candidate for a Foolishness partner, i THINK.

Can you show me that?
On January 23 2014 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
And for the record I probably am probably scummier on inactive Foolishness than inactive sandroba. Could be bias because I have precedent in PYP for sandroba in terms of an early game lurk then blasting onto the scene, but as was mentioend before (I forget by who atm?) sandroba was actively engaging the thread when he was around, whereas Foolishness basically hasn't talked to anyone, he just threw stuff and fucked off multiple times.

It's not about saying one scummier than other. It's about saying "like someone else said, sandroba was actively engaging the thread when he was around." I was the guy he was talking to. I got a couple posts from him, all of them not quite about what I was asking, and then he dipped. Not so much a +1 as I LOVE THIS, but a +1 like..."someone brought this up and it carries weight with my read."

At this point,
On January 26 2014 06:07 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 26 2014 06:03 gonzaw wrote:
So Toad, you are happy with any of VE or Foo getting lynched today then?
I'd really like your thoughts on VE

I haven't looked into VE yet and like I said, I want to see how he changes tomorrow. But VE makes sense given the situation we're in assuming my read on Foo is right. I'd much rather lynch Foo before lynching into VE because of nothing but "because he'd make sense together with Foo" if Foo hasn't even flipped yet...

I haven't looked into VE yet is NOT AN OPTION/EXCUSE/WHATEVER. If you want VE alive tomorrow, you gotta do something about it. If you don't care, you're fine not to read him.

But not looking into one of two main lynch candidates because you want to read his posts tomorrow is smelly. Why do you care if he changes tomorrow if you haven't looked into his D1/N1/D2? How are you going to know if ANYTHING changes? What sort of change are you looking for if you have no basis/read to work from?

So austin, does that mean I am your primary target now that VE is gone? I'm honestly shocked at how you have me so high up on your scum list after our talk last night.

Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 06:51 austinmcc wrote:
On January 26 2014 06:45 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, can someone tell me why Wave isn't town based on his activity so far?
Need I remind you he has the 2nd largest filter (after me)? And 10 pages of it happened this D2?

You guys think he can still be scum based on that?
Maybe he wants to prove a point as scum, that you should never surrender and keep going on? Or something?
Like I really want to know.
At the very least I want to know how he's a better lynch than Toad, or VE, etc
This goes...for everybody basically (Foo, Toad and austin)
A lot of his filter is his GIANT posts. The size doesn't necessarily equate to content though. His giant giant posts are VE is town, Prome is scum.

But his reasons for VE being town are kinda murky, and he spends boatloads and boatloads of time on all these little things that make Prome scum, despite Prome being pretty much off the table (it would seem for WoS as well? I have not seen him pushing Prome lately).

So while there's a lot, a bunch of it is stuff that nobody really believes, and it picks up after we lynch a mafia. You can say he's responding to pressure by posting a bunch, either side can do that (I know not all mafia do, but I know I've gone post-crazy as mafia, and we don't have a good example of WoS's scumplay so it's unknown). Maybe it's knowing that town lynched mafia D1 and WoS/buddy need to kick things into gear and take control.

Add in Hapa and others finding his D1 scummy. Whatever his D2 is, his D1 still exists.

Also just minor nitpicky stuff. Putting some credence in the argument that sandroba was around and active.

You're 100% right that the giant posts don't necessarily equate to good content. The point wasn't for them to necessarily be solid airtight cases, they were to showcase thought process. I would have hoped I've gotten that across by now but apparently not because there are still a LOT of doubters. As for Prome I mentioned I wanted Foolishness and Toad lynched before Prome so there was no point in pushing him the rest of the day as he wasn't getting lynched. It's in my filter somewhere.

Does all of that stuff you've talked about really overshadow my effort and contributions for the past day enough to put me as the number 1 scum suspect going into day 3? There isn't a whole lot more I'm going to be able to do than what I've done already, so if no amount of effort is going to prove anything to you, then I would posit that you're not properly considering the most simple case scenario, which is that I am town, I am not concerned with what people read in my filter (hence the massive amount of posting) and I am putting forth the utmost effort to win this game. you are considering only the mafia options and what's unfortunate is you're not even the worst offender in that regard.
'Whatever his D2 is, his D1 still exists.'
My D2 was DAMN good, and you know that. Leave the bias at the door and help me lynch scum.
Don't believe you're my primary target. I think Foolishness's post on you is legit, but you don't jump that high. If your calling VE town was a bit stranger, or I didn't know you guys have played a bunch together, then you might get top billing.

Effort = townie only goes so far with me. We don't have ANY comparison of recent scum play for you. I know that, personally, I can get REALLY active as scum. I know I'm not the only person EVER to do this. Especially when my team is in a terrible spot (last guy alive in PTP Demon's Run, late game in Chrono Trigger, etc.), a bunch of posting is easy because you post or you die. I think people are making too much of your activity, and should judge you on your actual contributions and not post count or post length, because they have pretty much no idea how you would normally play scum.

I think you're ... going way too far with this. "Whatever his D2 is, his D1 still exists" is an ENTIRELY valid statement, it's true, and people shouldn't scumhunt day by day and forget anything old. I assume that you agree with this, yes?


On January 26 2014 23:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
He said his weekend activity suffers; I don't have huge reason to question that since his activity in this game WAS better during the week.

Alright so if there was one (or for bonus derp points, two) scum on sandroba, which would be the most likely and why?
marv gave his answer, which is good as far as answers-from-marv go, but at least for me personally, marv is a much better answer than I am to this question. He's more than happy to kill off scumbuddies when he thinks he needs to, a marv of EITHER alignment is not really expecting scum sandroba to be of much value to the scum team (and so scum marv would be OKAY with killing him off, cuz if Sandroba had an AFK N1/D2, he was very likely to be lynched D2).
Fe fi fo fum.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 26 2014 22:28 GMT
#2013
austin, you think WoS had no contributions on D2? I mean, I think when we all said "he put lots of effort" we meant "he put lots of meaningful effort".
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 26 2014 22:29 GMT
#2014
hey austin, no hard feelings buddy. Jeez :p

I would say, austin, that some of your last-man-standing type efforts have actually been some of the most unique things I've seen from TL mafia players. So while you may have a sprinkling of a point with your effort thingy, if you're extrapolating from yourself then I'm not sure that's a correct thing to do or expect ^^

I think the only person I've ever see post that many pages in one phase/cycle as mafia is rayn.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 26 2014 22:29 GMT
#2015
On January 27 2014 07:28 gonzaw wrote:
austin, you think WoS had no contributions on D2? I mean, I think when we all said "he put lots of effort" we meant "he put lots of meaningful effort".
I think he had some good contributions.

I think he has a lot of filler-y contributions.

I think that everyone is happy to say "active/contribute-y" and nobody yet has really dug into what % of posts falls into which category. Heck, SOME of the posts swapping reads on WoS weren't "he had a lot of good contributions," but were instead specifically billed as "he's putting in too much effort to be mafia."
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 26 2014 22:31 GMT
#2016
On January 27 2014 07:29 marvellosity wrote:
hey austin, no hard feelings buddy. Jeez :p

I would say, austin, that some of your last-man-standing type efforts have actually been some of the most unique things I've seen from TL mafia players. So while you may have a sprinkling of a point with your effort thingy, if you're extrapolating from yourself then I'm not sure that's a correct thing to do or expect ^^

I think the only person I've ever see post that many pages in one phase/cycle as mafia is rayn.
I may well be. I've seen bursts of activity from other players, but also just not that many last-man-standing situations, tbh.

Nah nah, no hard feelings, but you know that you're willing to drop scumbuddies, especially ones that have...weak scumgames, and you know you're willing to jump on a lynch early if you think that's better than waiting around to see what will happen.
Fe fi fo fum.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 26 2014 22:32 GMT
#2017
I do indeed!
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 26 2014 22:32 GMT
#2018
Also about that "effort".
In PTP Demon's run, you ended up with a 14 page filter in 12 days of game.
In this game, WoS has 13 pages of filter in 6 days of game so far
I'd say it's quite different....perhaps
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 26 2014 22:32 GMT
#2019
the answers-from-marv-go means that, as either alignment, you're not going to say yourself. That leaves you just gonzaw/austin/prome, so I'm a logical choice for #1 or #2 on your list.

Same just happens to be true from my point of view
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 26 2014 22:33 GMT
#2020
On January 27 2014 07:32 gonzaw wrote:
Also about that "effort".
In PTP Demon's run, you ended up with a 14 page filter in 12 days of game.
In this game, WoS has 13 pages of filter in 6 days of game so far
I'd say it's quite different....perhaps
Yeah. Most of that filter is the last 3-4 days though. The first...5 or 6 or even more game days, I was pretty horribly inactive. If you remember, I spent an ENTIRE CYCLE afk I think and just posted a dumb vote with 10 minutes or something left in the day. Things weren't bad for my team, didn't have to bust ass.
Fe fi fo fum.
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