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Well, I have, and I like to pick up on certain aspects of certain players in certain games. JJD is pretty good at piggybacking.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2013 00:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
yeah ##vote Spaghetticus
Like Plu said: He's almost comes right out and said that he's making scum cases to prove his own towniness
And then he pretty much admits that he's casting suspicion on townie looking people because it's "typical of [his] style". So again, he's pointing out how what he's saying makes him town. On December 10 2013 13:49 JarJarDrinks wrote:K, I'm here for a bit before sleep. I'll be here all day tomorrow but gonna post my thoughts on some stuff first: Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
Ok, so a lot of things going on. I agree we should not let lurkers stay silent, and should poke anyone that stays silent for to long. But there is a lot of value in not spamming down the thread if you are town, that will only make the scummy post harder to see. I'm mainly looking at you Xatalos, as you are on your third page in filter with like half of the post being oneliners. Even if town you will be detrimental to the town if you keep this up! There are others aswell, just used you as an example.
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About Cora there are a few things I did not like and caught my eye. His opening post is not good, and if he's mafia hes basically just buying himself an excuse to lurk for day 1 and then come out day 2 and bring chaos onto the town.
He also deflected a lot in his defence and basically just said "look at X he's scummier than me".
And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.
I do not feel cora is mafia yet at least, but definetly worth to look at.
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@Kish, can anyone that have played with him earlier say something about how he plays. He is deffo playing the most anti town atm, but he's also doing it on purpose which is frustrating.
I really really do not like this post as an entry post: A) Sheeps everthing I have mentioned on Cora. B) Uses a big chunk of his entry post saying why cora is displaying mafia associated traits but won't vote him yet? C) Mentions Xatalos in a completely non-inquisitive manner, no justification on a read based on Xan's posts or anything. Agree completly w/ holy here. I had the same thoughts reading it. Also worth mentioning is how that first paragraph says absolutely nothing. Just obvious stuff like lurking is bad and people shouldn't spam. It's not like he's using it to call out Xatalos since he says he's just using him as an example. It's just a safe non-confrontational post. On December 12 2013 05:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:52 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 05:49 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 05:41 Xatalos wrote:
I really don't like the Spag wagon. It has both Artanis and purple... And neither of them provided any reasoning for voting him. The problem is not the voters. I have the same problem (well not really with purple, as he basically chose between spag/vayne)... It's that Spag is so fucking scummy and the evidence is far better than on vayne. I'm not still sure why VA is #2 in votes. Apparently he contradicted himself, but why is he scum just for that? It's not like he needed to talk about how he'd love to NK / lynch Alakaslam. Yes he needed, did you read? I confronted him about his thoughts on lynching Slam. I read through pretty fast. Gonna reread that portion. ALso this: Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here is another one. On December 11 2013 13:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
I hope he flips town so I am actually justified in saying that he is hindering the game. If he's scum he can do whatever the fuck he wants. Read that portal game by greymist if you want to see how hard it is to lynch this guy as scum. His entire team bussed him and he still barely got lynched. nuff said. On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots. ... i really don't get it.. i really don't...
He's very good at sliding other people's posts into his own. I was on the Vayne train, but I couldn't convince myself after reading this.
On December 12 2013 02:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:41 kushm4sta wrote:On December 12 2013 02:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
it's not ridiculous at all if you consider how I play mafia. I KILL these kind of players at night because I find it more enjoyable to play with people that can actually scumhunt and try to trick them. Between that and my blue kill sniping I don't see how it is farfetch'd at all. So you would never push a mislynch on slam because he is so bad for town, but you would nk him??/ that makes no sense. ##unvote
##vote VayneAuthorityComplete contradiction Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you. That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne. What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment? On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots. I've already pretty much answered all of this In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum. If Slam is scum you: 1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so 2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit 3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red 4) you don't need to contribute anything useful If Slam is town you: 1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways 2) you don't need to contribute anything useful So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia? because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like.
I think contradictions are awesome to find, but comparing these two is reaching. Hard. Even if Vayne felt two different ways about the way he plays in two different posts, you need to build off that to actually get a read. I know JJD was against policy lynching slam, but I found this vote very telling that he is willing to do so if it gives him an easier explanation.
I thought it would be worth pointing out 
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On December 12 2013 10:59 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 06:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:47 kushm4sta wrote:
##unvote
##vote speghetti On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti.That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. what happened? Kush, please answer this when you return. blame rayn Really? That's your answer?
Reposting this again + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2013 06:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 06:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:47 kushm4sta wrote:
##unvote
##vote speghetti On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti.That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. what happened? Kush, please answer this when you return. Just to add to this. I just reread your filter and I have no idea how you ended up w/ your vote on spag. Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 23:58 kushm4sta wrote:
that case was too fucked up for speghetti to be scum I think Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I think scum are going to make more obvious cases and attack generalized scumtells, like wishy washiness. Or they would go after players like alakaslam or purple (easy targets). Speghetti's case is just odd and I can't see scum ever making it. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 01:48 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn i see what you are saying about spaghetti. i think he is just off this game. He already said he's not invested yet. My read is pretty thin so it's more of a hunch.
Anyone read corazon's last post? The ratio of size to content of that post is the highest in the game. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti. That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. Why did you defend him so much and then vote him?
So basically, not only did you never have spag as a scumread, but you defended him a whole bunch throughout the day.
There's no way to interpret that other than: You voted for someone that you believed to be town. Do you deny this?
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On December 12 2013 13:02 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 12:58 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 12:52 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 12:41 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 12:37 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 12:33 Plutarch wrote:
Anyway. I feel like I should take responsibility for the mis-lynch. Reading back on the way things went down I think I should have seen signs of spag's townieness but I just didn't. Anyway I'm going to post something about the way the wagon went down later. It felt like there was a lot of opportunistic jumping on to the wagon at the last minute.
The key is took look at which reasoning and voting appears to be genuine and which appears to be faked.
I'll write a big post and post it before the night ends.
I'll also be around on and off for the next 10- hours or so if anyone want's to chat. I do! On December 11 2013 23:17 Plutarch wrote:
Also, Never ever ever make association cases before people have flipped. Do you really stand by this? Would you consider association cases and interactions to be that different? Yes. Association cases before flips are just dumb. I consider analyzing interactions to be an important part of scum hunting, but if a case only works if both of the associations are scum and neither have flipped the case is worthless until one of them flips. Sweet, have you looked at jarjar? A little. He seemed to bandwagon easily and without much justification at the end of the day. Do you know of his meta btw? He likes to tunnel people as scum. I have confirmation bias so look at it objectively and see if you find him tunneling me then not giving a shit about the lynch once it's clear that me or spag is lynched. He doesn't try to argue that I should be lynched at all after a certain point, just let's it happen.
You are like Spag 2.0
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On December 12 2013 13:02 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 12:58 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 12:52 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 12:41 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 12:37 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 12:33 Plutarch wrote:
Anyway. I feel like I should take responsibility for the mis-lynch. Reading back on the way things went down I think I should have seen signs of spag's townieness but I just didn't. Anyway I'm going to post something about the way the wagon went down later. It felt like there was a lot of opportunistic jumping on to the wagon at the last minute.
The key is took look at which reasoning and voting appears to be genuine and which appears to be faked.
I'll write a big post and post it before the night ends.
I'll also be around on and off for the next 10- hours or so if anyone want's to chat. I do! On December 11 2013 23:17 Plutarch wrote:
Also, Never ever ever make association cases before people have flipped. Do you really stand by this? Would you consider association cases and interactions to be that different? Yes. Association cases before flips are just dumb. I consider analyzing interactions to be an important part of scum hunting, but if a case only works if both of the associations are scum and neither have flipped the case is worthless until one of them flips. Sweet, have you looked at jarjar? A little. He seemed to bandwagon easily and without much justification at the end of the day. Do you know of his meta btw? He likes to tunnel people as scum. I have confirmation bias so look at it objectively and see if you find him tunneling me then not giving a shit about the lynch once it's clear that me or spag is lynched. He doesn't try to argue that I should be lynched at all after a certain point, just let's it happen.
He also afk's as scum as you should well know by being scum with him in Les Mafia.
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On December 12 2013 13:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 10:59 kushm4sta wrote:On December 12 2013 06:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:47 kushm4sta wrote:
##unvote
##vote speghetti On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti.That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. what happened? Kush, please answer this when you return. blame rayn Really? That's your answer? Reposting this again + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2013 06:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 06:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:47 kushm4sta wrote:
##unvote
##vote speghetti On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti.That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. what happened? Kush, please answer this when you return. Just to add to this. I just reread your filter and I have no idea how you ended up w/ your vote on spag. Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 23:58 kushm4sta wrote:
that case was too fucked up for speghetti to be scum I think Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I think scum are going to make more obvious cases and attack generalized scumtells, like wishy washiness. Or they would go after players like alakaslam or purple (easy targets). Speghetti's case is just odd and I can't see scum ever making it. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 01:48 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn i see what you are saying about spaghetti. i think he is just off this game. He already said he's not invested yet. My read is pretty thin so it's more of a hunch.
Anyone read corazon's last post? The ratio of size to content of that post is the highest in the game. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti. That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. Why did you defend him so much and then vote him? So basically, not only did you never have spag as a scumread, but you defended him a whole bunch throughout the day. There's no way to interpret that other than: You voted for someone that you believed to be town. Do you deny this?
i lynched him for information
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On December 12 2013 13:08 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 13:02 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 12:58 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 12:52 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 12:41 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 12:37 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 12:33 Plutarch wrote:
Anyway. I feel like I should take responsibility for the mis-lynch. Reading back on the way things went down I think I should have seen signs of spag's townieness but I just didn't. Anyway I'm going to post something about the way the wagon went down later. It felt like there was a lot of opportunistic jumping on to the wagon at the last minute.
The key is took look at which reasoning and voting appears to be genuine and which appears to be faked.
I'll write a big post and post it before the night ends.
I'll also be around on and off for the next 10- hours or so if anyone want's to chat. I do! On December 11 2013 23:17 Plutarch wrote:
Also, Never ever ever make association cases before people have flipped. Do you really stand by this? Would you consider association cases and interactions to be that different? Yes. Association cases before flips are just dumb. I consider analyzing interactions to be an important part of scum hunting, but if a case only works if both of the associations are scum and neither have flipped the case is worthless until one of them flips. Sweet, have you looked at jarjar? A little. He seemed to bandwagon easily and without much justification at the end of the day. Do you know of his meta btw? He likes to tunnel people as scum. I have confirmation bias so look at it objectively and see if you find him tunneling me then not giving a shit about the lynch once it's clear that me or spag is lynched. He doesn't try to argue that I should be lynched at all after a certain point, just let's it happen. He also afk's as scum as you should well know by being scum with him in Les Mafia.
true he has been pretty active, probably town.
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I was wrong to defend Slam by the way. He would be a properly good vig hit.
The votes.
They speak to me.
Votes, what are you saying?
What's that about Alakaslam?
His wagon?
Apathetic?
Gasp, you are right votes!
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I feel like alot of players here see this game as a boxing match. It is if you play it like one.
Let's play mousetrap instead!
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On December 12 2013 13:11 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 13:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 10:59 kushm4sta wrote:On December 12 2013 06:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:47 kushm4sta wrote:
##unvote
##vote speghetti On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti.That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. what happened? Kush, please answer this when you return. blame rayn Really? That's your answer? Reposting this again + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2013 06:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 06:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:47 kushm4sta wrote:
##unvote
##vote speghetti On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti.That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. what happened? Kush, please answer this when you return. Just to add to this. I just reread your filter and I have no idea how you ended up w/ your vote on spag. Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 23:58 kushm4sta wrote:
that case was too fucked up for speghetti to be scum I think Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I think scum are going to make more obvious cases and attack generalized scumtells, like wishy washiness. Or they would go after players like alakaslam or purple (easy targets). Speghetti's case is just odd and I can't see scum ever making it. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 01:48 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn i see what you are saying about spaghetti. i think he is just off this game. He already said he's not invested yet. My read is pretty thin so it's more of a hunch.
Anyone read corazon's last post? The ratio of size to content of that post is the highest in the game. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti. That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. Why did you defend him so much and then vote him? So basically, not only did you never have spag as a scumread, but you defended him a whole bunch throughout the day. There's no way to interpret that other than: You voted for someone that you believed to be town. Do you deny this? i lynched him for information
Can you post your magically list of townies again? Did you color in the red ones?!
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On December 12 2013 13:14 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 13:11 kushm4sta wrote:On December 12 2013 13:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 10:59 kushm4sta wrote:On December 12 2013 06:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:47 kushm4sta wrote:
##unvote
##vote speghetti On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti.That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. what happened? Kush, please answer this when you return. blame rayn Really? That's your answer? Reposting this again + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2013 06:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 06:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:47 kushm4sta wrote:
##unvote
##vote speghetti On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti.That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. what happened? Kush, please answer this when you return. Just to add to this. I just reread your filter and I have no idea how you ended up w/ your vote on spag. Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 23:58 kushm4sta wrote:
that case was too fucked up for speghetti to be scum I think Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I think scum are going to make more obvious cases and attack generalized scumtells, like wishy washiness. Or they would go after players like alakaslam or purple (easy targets). Speghetti's case is just odd and I can't see scum ever making it. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 01:48 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn i see what you are saying about spaghetti. i think he is just off this game. He already said he's not invested yet. My read is pretty thin so it's more of a hunch.
Anyone read corazon's last post? The ratio of size to content of that post is the highest in the game. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti. That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. Why did you defend him so much and then vote him? So basically, not only did you never have spag as a scumread, but you defended him a whole bunch throughout the day. There's no way to interpret that other than: You voted for someone that you believed to be town. Do you deny this? i lynched him for information Can you post your magically list of townies again? Did you color in the red ones?!
mr 30+ games do you know how filters work?
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On December 12 2013 13:11 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 13:08 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 13:02 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 12:58 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 12:52 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 12:41 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 12:37 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 12:33 Plutarch wrote:
Anyway. I feel like I should take responsibility for the mis-lynch. Reading back on the way things went down I think I should have seen signs of spag's townieness but I just didn't. Anyway I'm going to post something about the way the wagon went down later. It felt like there was a lot of opportunistic jumping on to the wagon at the last minute.
The key is took look at which reasoning and voting appears to be genuine and which appears to be faked.
I'll write a big post and post it before the night ends.
I'll also be around on and off for the next 10- hours or so if anyone want's to chat. I do! On December 11 2013 23:17 Plutarch wrote:
Also, Never ever ever make association cases before people have flipped. Do you really stand by this? Would you consider association cases and interactions to be that different? Yes. Association cases before flips are just dumb. I consider analyzing interactions to be an important part of scum hunting, but if a case only works if both of the associations are scum and neither have flipped the case is worthless until one of them flips. Sweet, have you looked at jarjar? A little. He seemed to bandwagon easily and without much justification at the end of the day. Do you know of his meta btw? He likes to tunnel people as scum. I have confirmation bias so look at it objectively and see if you find him tunneling me then not giving a shit about the lynch once it's clear that me or spag is lynched. He doesn't try to argue that I should be lynched at all after a certain point, just let's it happen. He also afk's as scum as you should well know by being scum with him in Les Mafia. true he has been pretty active, probably town.
I don't know if he is town or scum at the moment. Need to filter dive him.
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On December 12 2013 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 13:14 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 13:11 kushm4sta wrote:On December 12 2013 13:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 10:59 kushm4sta wrote:On December 12 2013 06:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:47 kushm4sta wrote:
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##vote speghetti On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti.That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. what happened? Kush, please answer this when you return. blame rayn Really? That's your answer? Reposting this again + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2013 06:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 06:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:47 kushm4sta wrote:
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##vote speghetti On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti.That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. what happened? Kush, please answer this when you return. Just to add to this. I just reread your filter and I have no idea how you ended up w/ your vote on spag. Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 23:58 kushm4sta wrote:
that case was too fucked up for speghetti to be scum I think Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I think scum are going to make more obvious cases and attack generalized scumtells, like wishy washiness. Or they would go after players like alakaslam or purple (easy targets). Speghetti's case is just odd and I can't see scum ever making it. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 01:48 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn i see what you are saying about spaghetti. i think he is just off this game. He already said he's not invested yet. My read is pretty thin so it's more of a hunch.
Anyone read corazon's last post? The ratio of size to content of that post is the highest in the game. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti. That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. Why did you defend him so much and then vote him? So basically, not only did you never have spag as a scumread, but you defended him a whole bunch throughout the day. There's no way to interpret that other than: You voted for someone that you believed to be town. Do you deny this? i lynched him for information Can you post your magically list of townies again? Did you color in the red ones?! mr 30+ games do you know how filters work?
Fun fact: Filters did not exist when I first started!
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On December 12 2013 13:20 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:On December 12 2013 13:14 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 13:11 kushm4sta wrote:On December 12 2013 13:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 10:59 kushm4sta wrote:On December 12 2013 06:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:47 kushm4sta wrote:
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##vote speghetti On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti.That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. what happened? Kush, please answer this when you return. blame rayn Really? That's your answer? Reposting this again + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2013 06:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 06:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 03:47 kushm4sta wrote:
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##vote speghetti On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti.That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. what happened? Kush, please answer this when you return. Just to add to this. I just reread your filter and I have no idea how you ended up w/ your vote on spag. Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 23:58 kushm4sta wrote:
that case was too fucked up for speghetti to be scum I think Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote:
I think scum are going to make more obvious cases and attack generalized scumtells, like wishy washiness. Or they would go after players like alakaslam or purple (easy targets). Speghetti's case is just odd and I can't see scum ever making it. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 01:48 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn i see what you are saying about spaghetti. i think he is just off this game. He already said he's not invested yet. My read is pretty thin so it's more of a hunch.
Anyone read corazon's last post? The ratio of size to content of that post is the highest in the game. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:@rayn I'm back to townreading spghetti. That he has one of the longer filters in the game makes him lean town. Also I think it's not so much that he hasn't gotten into this game, but more like he thinks he is so awesome now for getting nk on night 1 that he doesn't even have to try. That is indicated by this quote: This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game.
So that's why he is active but sucks hard compared to previous towngames. Why did you defend him so much and then vote him? So basically, not only did you never have spag as a scumread, but you defended him a whole bunch throughout the day. There's no way to interpret that other than: You voted for someone that you believed to be town. Do you deny this? i lynched him for information Can you post your magically list of townies again? Did you color in the red ones?! mr 30+ games do you know how filters work? Fun fact: Filters did not exist when I first started!
Wow you must have been playing for a long time.
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On December 12 2013 13:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
Do you know of his meta btw? He likes to tunnel people as scum. I have confirmation bias so look at it objectively and see if you find him tunneling me then not giving a shit about the lynch once it's clear that me or spag is lynched. He doesn't try to argue that I should be lynched at all after a certain point, just let's it happen.
Explain how I tunneled you. I was making cases on other people all throughout the day. I only focused on you the last few hours. That is NOT a tunnel.
And really? You're saying I didn't give a shit about the lynch and I didn't try to argue for you to be lynched?
On December 12 2013 05:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I really don't like all this movement to Spag as soon as Vayne has the vote lead. Pretty sure scum is trying to keep vayne alive. Which would make spag town.
On December 12 2013 05:38 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:35 Alakaslam wrote:On December 12 2013 05:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 05:11 purpletrator wrote:
before slam gets too far, active lurkers (theres gotta be like 10 of us), who is scummier, cora or spag? I haven't thought cora was scummy all game. But I have to admit, something feels off about this whole notes thing. He asks "Do you want to see them?" and then he's all: Uh I don't have em w/ me. I'll be very curious to see them as well. I really don't like all this movement to Spag as soon as Vayne has the vote lead. Pretty sure scum is trying to keep vayne alive. Which would make spag town. They are scum together. I can switch to vayneauthority I it would make you comfortable but believe me spag is scummier. Vayneauthority might just be SK actually. Vayne basically scumslipped that Spag is town. A Scum Vayne means that Spag is p much confirmed town.
On December 12 2013 05:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least Vayne was able to say he thinks me and kush are scum.
Spag didn't get that far with ~100 posts. Yeah, after Vayne was close to getting lynched, he dedided to start playing the game. Even though he told us he wasn't gonna do anything else besides try to get slam lynched.
On December 12 2013 05:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 05:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least Vayne was able to say he thinks me and kush are scum.
Spag didn't get that far with ~100 posts. Yeah, after Vayne was close to getting lynched, he dedided to start playing the game. Even though he told us he wasn't gonna do anything else besides try to get slam lynched. Actually he didn't really start playing rofl. He threw a personal attack on me and idk what to kush. Yeah, no clue why he chose you and kush and not me when all 3 of us pointed out his contradiction. Kush hadn't even voted for him yet.
On December 12 2013 05:55 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:52 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 05:49 Xatalos wrote:On December 12 2013 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 05:41 Xatalos wrote:
I really don't like the Spag wagon. It has both Artanis and purple... And neither of them provided any reasoning for voting him. The problem is not the voters. I have the same problem (well not really with purple, as he basically chose between spag/vayne)... It's that Spag is so fucking scummy and the evidence is far better than on vayne. I'm not still sure why VA is #2 in votes. Apparently he contradicted himself, but why is he scum just for that? It's not like he needed to talk about how he'd love to NK / lynch Alakaslam. Yes he needed, did you read? I confronted him about his thoughts on lynching Slam. I read through pretty fast. Gonna reread that portion. ALso this: Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here is another one. On December 11 2013 13:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
I hope he flips town so I am actually justified in saying that he is hindering the game. If he's scum he can do whatever the fuck he wants. Read that portal game by greymist if you want to see how hard it is to lynch this guy as scum. His entire team bussed him and he still barely got lynched. nuff said. On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots. ... i really don't get it.. i really don't...
On December 12 2013 05:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 03:36 JarJarDrinks wrote:Also, I think this is a slip: On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you. That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne. What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment? On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots. I've already pretty much answered all of this In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum. If Slam is scum you: 1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so 2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit 3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red 4) you don't need to contribute anything useful If Slam is town you: 1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways 2) you don't need to contribute anything useful So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia? because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like. Then when rayn calls him out about it, he says: On December 12 2013 02:33 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you. That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne. What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment? On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots. I've already pretty much answered all of this In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum. If Slam is scum you: 1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so 2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit 3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red 4) you don't need to contribute anything useful If Slam is town you: 1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways 2) you don't need to contribute anything useful So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia? because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like. Fair enough, just wanted to be sure what you meant. Are you suggesting Spaghetticus is town? Yea he was one of the first to want to lynch Slam so I have him as town until further notice. A few moments earlier when kush asked him what he thought of spag and cora, he refused to answer. Why not say you have a townread on someone that is picking up votes? It only became something he was willing to discuss to cover up his slip. and yes I realize that this likely makes spag town. And the last part of the Vayne Case. How does he know that scum could just sheep the Spag vote w/o knowing what spags alignment is?
All those are from when spag took the lead. It was clear that I was trying to convince people that you were the better lynch. Your last statement is an outright lie.
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On December 12 2013 13:08 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 13:02 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 12:58 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 12:52 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 12:41 Plutarch wrote:On December 12 2013 12:37 bumatlarge wrote:On December 12 2013 12:33 Plutarch wrote:
Anyway. I feel like I should take responsibility for the mis-lynch. Reading back on the way things went down I think I should have seen signs of spag's townieness but I just didn't. Anyway I'm going to post something about the way the wagon went down later. It felt like there was a lot of opportunistic jumping on to the wagon at the last minute.
The key is took look at which reasoning and voting appears to be genuine and which appears to be faked.
I'll write a big post and post it before the night ends.
I'll also be around on and off for the next 10- hours or so if anyone want's to chat. I do! On December 11 2013 23:17 Plutarch wrote:
Also, Never ever ever make association cases before people have flipped. Do you really stand by this? Would you consider association cases and interactions to be that different? Yes. Association cases before flips are just dumb. I consider analyzing interactions to be an important part of scum hunting, but if a case only works if both of the associations are scum and neither have flipped the case is worthless until one of them flips. Sweet, have you looked at jarjar? A little. He seemed to bandwagon easily and without much justification at the end of the day. Do you know of his meta btw? He likes to tunnel people as scum. I have confirmation bias so look at it objectively and see if you find him tunneling me then not giving a shit about the lynch once it's clear that me or spag is lynched. He doesn't try to argue that I should be lynched at all after a certain point, just let's it happen. He also afk's as scum as you should well know by being scum with him in Les Mafia. FYI: I was just lynched as town in my last game for inactivity.
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On December 12 2013 13:05 bumatlarge wrote: I was on the Vayne train, but I couldn't convince myself after reading this. Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 02:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 02:41 kushm4sta wrote:On December 12 2013 02:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
it's not ridiculous at all if you consider how I play mafia. I KILL these kind of players at night because I find it more enjoyable to play with people that can actually scumhunt and try to trick them. Between that and my blue kill sniping I don't see how it is farfetch'd at all. So you would never push a mislynch on slam because he is so bad for town, but you would nk him??/ that makes no sense. ##unvote
##vote VayneAuthorityComplete contradiction On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you. That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne. What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment? On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots. I've already pretty much answered all of this In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum. If Slam is scum you: 1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so 2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit 3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red 4) you don't need to contribute anything useful If Slam is town you: 1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways 2) you don't need to contribute anything useful So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia? because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like. I think contradictions are awesome to find, but comparing these two is reaching. Hard. Even if Vayne felt two different ways about the way he plays in two different posts, you need to build off that to actually get a read. I know JJD was against policy lynching slam, but I found this vote very telling that he is willing to do so if it gives him an easier explanation. I thought it would be worth pointing out OMG Reaching?? Vanye says that he would never ever kill alaskaslam if he was scum and then says if he was scum he'd kill alaskaslam. I don't think I could come up with more contradictory statements if I tried.
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On December 12 2013 13:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 13:05 bumatlarge wrote: I was on the Vayne train, but I couldn't convince myself after reading this. On December 12 2013 02:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 02:41 kushm4sta wrote:On December 12 2013 02:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
it's not ridiculous at all if you consider how I play mafia. I KILL these kind of players at night because I find it more enjoyable to play with people that can actually scumhunt and try to trick them. Between that and my blue kill sniping I don't see how it is farfetch'd at all. So you would never push a mislynch on slam because he is so bad for town, but you would nk him??/ that makes no sense. ##unvote
##vote VayneAuthorityComplete contradiction On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you. That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne. What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment? On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots. I've already pretty much answered all of this In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum. If Slam is scum you: 1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so 2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit 3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red 4) you don't need to contribute anything useful If Slam is town you: 1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways 2) you don't need to contribute anything useful So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia? because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like. I think contradictions are awesome to find, but comparing these two is reaching. Hard. Even if Vayne felt two different ways about the way he plays in two different posts, you need to build off that to actually get a read. I know JJD was against policy lynching slam, but I found this vote very telling that he is willing to do so if it gives him an easier explanation. I thought it would be worth pointing out OMG Reaching?? Vanye says that he would never ever kill alaskaslam if he was scum and then says if he was scum he'd kill alaskaslam. I don't think I could come up with more contradictory statements if I tried.
Do you believe only scum contradict themselves?
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On December 12 2013 13:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 13:05 bumatlarge wrote: I was on the Vayne train, but I couldn't convince myself after reading this. On December 12 2013 02:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 12 2013 02:41 kushm4sta wrote:On December 12 2013 02:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
it's not ridiculous at all if you consider how I play mafia. I KILL these kind of players at night because I find it more enjoyable to play with people that can actually scumhunt and try to trick them. Between that and my blue kill sniping I don't see how it is farfetch'd at all. So you would never push a mislynch on slam because he is so bad for town, but you would nk him??/ that makes no sense. ##unvote
##vote VayneAuthorityComplete contradiction On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you. That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne. What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment? On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots. I've already pretty much answered all of this In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum. If Slam is scum you: 1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so 2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit 3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red 4) you don't need to contribute anything useful If Slam is town you: 1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways 2) you don't need to contribute anything useful So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia? because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like. I think contradictions are awesome to find, but comparing these two is reaching. Hard. Even if Vayne felt two different ways about the way he plays in two different posts, you need to build off that to actually get a read. I know JJD was against policy lynching slam, but I found this vote very telling that he is willing to do so if it gives him an easier explanation. I thought it would be worth pointing out OMG Reaching?? Vanye says that he would never ever kill alaskaslam if he was scum and then says if he was scum he'd kill alaskaslam. I don't think I could come up with more contradictory statements if I tried.
Yeah, you' think if vayne were scum he would have that through! What a silly goose!
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On December 12 2013 07:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
To be clear we don't have time to waste on alakaslam now so I'm ignoring him from now on scum or not. Real game starts after the flip tomorrow, see you then. So when you said this:On December 10 2013 09:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
I would rather enjoy myself and lose then not enjoy it, hence why I am voting you alakaslam, scum or not. I do not care about lynching scum if im not having fun in the first place, that comes first. what did you mean exactly?
I guess now you don't care about having fun?
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not like I didn't already address that fifty times but whatevs. We just got out of discussing time to die and people still make the same mistakes, whats the point?
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