EPT##vote: Spag
I think spag has a very good chance of flipping scum. Please vig Slam.
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
##vote: Spag I think spag has a very good chance of flipping scum. Please vig Slam. | ||
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kushm4sta
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:48 Plutarch wrote: I find this post interesting and perhaps more important in reading spag's alignment than his actual case. Generally the purpose of scum hunting is to lynch and find scum But in this post spag clearly states his motivation for scumhunting as survival. The first part Spag backtrack's from his read. Note that in order for his association case to be meaningful at all he must believe that both Kush and I are both scum or his case falls apart. Yet he is calling kush scum but only 'FoS'ing' me. (As an aside I hate the term FOS and believe it should never be used.) He says that his case is not strong enough to get us lynch nor that he actually wants us lynched. Discrediting your own cases immediately is something I associate with scum. Town wants people to follow their reads scum wants to appear active but actually achieve nothing. In that case why make the case at all? Well that is answered in the last part of the post. His 'case' was purely an exercise in 'appearing to be town'. The motive behind it is self preservation rather than finding scum. I understand that the preservation instinct appears within a town mindset also. But I felt that this post immediately following the case, which was much less crafted than it, reveals a scummy mindset. Yes it's survival. But calling it only survival is BS. I was demonstrating that I've been thinking about who is town and who isn't. Note that I didn't backtrack my read, it was the explicit intention of it. Also note that I wasn't in any real danger of being lynched D1, though I thought it best to post for days to come. The scenario is that I've been thinking along townie lines, but not demonstrating it. I've not got any strong strong reads, and haven't tried to fake any, which is typical of my playstyle (rayne I will address your aspersions shortly). I didn't go for a scummy play, which is to sew confusion. I tried to put down a read that demonstrates both that I am thinking, but also the reason I hadn't posted until now. | ||
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:53 Plutarch wrote: I find it incredible that you are casting suspicion on two of the most clearly town people in the game. Also typical of my style. See every game in my filter ever. | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:58 kushm4sta wrote: that case was too fucked up for speghetti to be scum I think That is a good point actually. But his meta. Look at how differently he has played in this game to his last. Add that to not scum hunting and posting cases purely for survival. Eh I'm not sure. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:59 Spaghetticus wrote: Wait, so you agree that they're "two of the most clearly town people in the game"?Also typical of my style. See every game in my filter ever. | ||
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:51 Plutarch wrote: This is a good point actually. I read through that game and spag appeared to be clearly town. This game he is scummy as shit. That game (and note that I've already stated this and you didn't like that I did) I had a very strong read. Out of my five previous games I'm pretty sure last one is the only one in which I caught scumsign that early. Thinking that one datapoint a trend makes is particularly wrong in this case. I'm usually under fire for being active but not having strong reads. If you are who I think you are Plutarch, you know this (meant for Plutarch only, if it's inapplicable, ignore). | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 12 2013 00:03 JarJarDrinks wrote: Wait, so you agree that they're "two of the most clearly town people in the game"? lol | ||
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
On December 12 2013 00:03 JarJarDrinks wrote: Wait, so you agree that they're "two of the most clearly town people in the game"? I agree that pluto has established his towniness well, but I'm also thrown into wifom by who I think he is. I don't think Kush is established at all, but rayne has also done a fairly good job establishing himself prior to this. Assuming we're talking about Pluto and Rayne, I agree that they are both established as town, but I don't think them strongly town (thought they were initially in my reads). | ||
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
Kush is either town or way better at impression management than I give him credit for. I void any of my initial reads on Plutarch based on this, but his responses are interesting to me. | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 12 2013 00:04 Spaghetticus wrote: That game (and note that I've already stated this and you didn't like that I did) I had a very strong read. Out of my five previous games I'm pretty sure last one is the only one in which I caught scumsign that early. Thinking that one datapoint a trend makes is particularly wrong in this case. I'm usually under fire for being active but not having strong reads. If you are who I think you are Plutarch, you know this (meant for Plutarch only, if it's inapplicable, ignore). This is actually bullshit. I just went and look through your previous two town games and the quality of your posts and scum hunting were much better than in this game. [g]Town[/g] LXIII: This post was very solid and made at the start of day one. [g]Town[/g] NMM XXXIV: This post and This where both very solid and made early day one. In this game you have done nothing but appear active. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
You just gave three "scumreads" then backpedalled from all of them in like 5min. | ||
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
Like Plu said: He's almost comes right out and said that he's making scum cases to prove his own towniness And then he pretty much admits that he's casting suspicion on townie looking people because it's "typical of [his] style". So again, he's pointing out how what he's saying makes him town. | ||
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
Maybe if you twist my words just a little I'll just come out and say "I'm scum" There is a difference between who I think is town and who I think others think are town. That this is what sways your vote is disappointing. Why not look at Pluto's meta-case, that's a lot more convincing. Srsly, I'd FOS you bit I'm running out of fingers. Logic plz. | ||
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 12 2013 00:29 Spaghetticus wrote: I'm now working on refuting that case btw. It'll take awhile because it's gonna require a lot of tabs and it is by far the weightiest attack on me so far. The rest will have to wait. Don't bother. The only thing that will save you is being proactive and productive in scum hunting. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On December 12 2013 00:27 Spaghetticus wrote: What caused you to reneg ur Kush case?Shit JarJar that's pathetic. Maybe if you twist my words just a little I'll just come out and say "I'm scum" There is a difference between who I think is town and who I think others think are town. That this is what sways your vote is disappointing. Why not look at Pluto's meta-case, that's a lot more convincing. Srsly, I'd FOS you bit I'm running out of fingers. Logic plz. | ||
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