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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
My case is that he knows who Plutarch is and was reprimanded outside the thread for it, which made him act with purpose to deny the possible interpretation that he knew who Plutarch is. A smurf would likely tell his scumbuddies who he is, say... in a scumQT? It is that he knows, and some external factor drove him to deliberately give the impression that he doesn't. | ||
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Spaghetticus
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On December 11 2013 21:53 Plutarch wrote: I also found it strange that Bum could state he was analyzing my filter due to me being 'interesting' and then find absolutely nothing to talk about. How can you read 6 pages of filter and arrive at zero conclusions? I said you were interesting, because I liked your posts. I used your posts to read kush, so thanks for that. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:27 Spaghetticus wrote: Also Rayne, why so vicious? I actually want to know. Do not dodge this question pls. Because you have now made about 70 posts and all you come up with is "kush is scum with Plutarch" with some terribad reasoning.. | ||
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:28 Plutarch wrote: So when Kush was trying to guess who I was and I was saying he was wrong. All that interaction was faked? See: encouraging people to think about things that are not conducive to finding town See: Filling a filter full of fluff Are you panicking? Why are you suddenly so weak? | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:30 Spaghetticus wrote: See: encouraging people to think about things that are not conducive to finding town See: Filling a filter full of fluff Are you panicking? Why are you suddenly so weak? I'm not panicking. I'm just incredulous at how bad your case is. If you are town, don't let confirmation bias start making you see things that aren't there. If you are scum. Carry on. | ||
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because you have now made about 70 posts and all you come up with is "kush is scum with Plutarch" with some terribad reasoning.. That's a reason to think me scummy, not a reason to get angry. Are you trying to start a flamewar with me? You know I've been emotional this past day, you know it'd probably be easy to do. You've also done all in your power to demean my contribution. I've not got the strongest resume here, but I'm faaaaar from the weakest. Your anger at me specifically makes me suspicious. Are you trying to steer town into lynching me? | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
I don't think he should be policy lynched. I'll agree w/ people that say he should be a vig shot instead. Hopefully any vig wont decide to go rogue since it's almost unanimous that he should be killed. And I know if I was a vig, I wouldn't want to risk going against will of the town and finding out Slam really was scum. Xatalos touched on this but policy lynches suck for gaining information. Nobody needs to make a scum case. There's usually not gonna be a competing wagon. It's a waste of a lynch as far as an information gathering tool. | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
But the case is also awful and doesn't ring true to me, after so much time and after apparently being on his second read through of the thread I would expect something more than that. What do you think rayn? Is spag more or less likely to be scum after reading that case? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
##Vote: Spaghetticus | ||
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:32 Plutarch wrote: I'm not panicking. I'm just incredulous at how bad your case is. If you are town, don't let confirmation bias start making you see things that aren't there. If you are scum. Carry on. No. You are being weak. Confirmation bias? I didn't even want to post this! Since my post on a Pluto+Kush team you have: - Tried to tell me that scum can't possibly point out bad town reads for towncred - Told me scum can't possibly stage conversations about fluff in order to appear town and/or indirectly influence them - called the case I've explicitly stated I didn't want to post as a result of it's shortcomings me being blinded by confirmation-bias. Remember: the intention behind the post was to confirm myself town. It appears I have run across something though. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:36 Plutarch wrote: Anyway. I'm not sure if that case makes Spag more or less likely to be town. Generally people making conspiracy theory cases such as that are more likely to be town due to the greater likelihood of townies being paranoid etc. But the case is also awful and doesn't ring true to me, after so much time and after apparently being on his second read through of the thread I would expect something more than that. What do you think rayn? Is spag more or less likely to be scum after reading that case? Just look at the post he made in LXIII half past D1 where he shared his thoughts. Seriously, his behavior in this game and there is like comparing a day and a night.. | ||
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i am steering the town into lynching you because you have made 70 posts that say absolutely nothing. All you have to say is someone is mafia because of some assumed connection because they tried to guess someone's identity. Every other post you have made is an OMGUS to call out people who are telling you to go scumhunt or telling you why your logic does not make sense. You are not really trying to find mafia and your attitude towards people in this game gives out you are working under fear, pressure, insecureness and inherent guilt. ##Vote: Spaghetticus Hmm... this is frustrating. Up until recently I had you green. I still think you probably green though I'm beginning to doubt myself. This attack is... too specific. I'm not the scummiest person here, your vote seems motivated by something other than lynching the scummiest player. OMGUS? Yes I have a tendency to attack people that attack me. Where better to start? To dismiss my points as OMGUS though... I haven't been illogical, and I've attacked people for legitimate reasons. | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:19 Spaghetticus wrote: I respect your ability as I said Pluto. The town read was bad, you would know this as either alignment. I'm also only FOSing you. I know that this is not strong enough to get either of you lynched, and I'm not confident enough either way to actually want you lynched. My purpose behind this post was to demonstrate that I've been thinking as a town. You're acting crazy defensive tho. Generally the purpose of scum hunting is to lynch and find scum But in this post spag clearly states his motivation for scumhunting as survival. The first part Spag backtrack's from his read. Note that in order for his association case to be meaningful at all he must believe that both Kush and I are both scum or his case falls apart. Yet he is calling kush scum but only 'FoS'ing' me. (As an aside I hate the term FOS and believe it should never be used.) He says that his case is not strong enough to get us lynch nor that he actually wants us lynched. Discrediting your own cases immediately is something I associate with scum. Town wants people to follow their reads scum wants to appear active but actually achieve nothing. In that case why make the case at all? Well that is answered in the last part of the post. On December 11 2013 23:19 Spaghetticus wrote: My purpose behind this post was to demonstrate that I've been thinking as a town. His 'case' was purely an exercise in 'appearing to be town'. The motive behind it is self preservation rather than finding scum. I understand that the preservation instinct appears within a town mindset also. But I felt that this post immediately following the case, which was much less crafted than it, reveals a scummy mindset. | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Just look at the post he made in LXIII half past D1 where he shared his thoughts. Seriously, his behavior in this game and there is like comparing a day and a night.. This is a good point actually. I read through that game and spag appeared to be clearly town. This game he is scummy as shit. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:48 Spaghetticus wrote: Hmm... this is frustrating. Up until recently I had you green. I still think you probably green though I'm beginning to doubt myself. This attack is... too specific. I'm not the scummiest person here, your vote seems motivated by something other than lynching the scummiest player. OMGUS? Yes I have a tendency to attack people that attack me. Where better to start? To dismiss my points as OMGUS though... I haven't been illogical, and I've attacked people for legitimate reasons. I find it incredible that you are casting suspicion on two of the most clearly town people in the game. | ||
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Plutarch
Greece515 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:51 bumatlarge wrote: What about vayneauthority, I don't have a read there Holw about you comment on the currently relevant goings on in the thread. Spag has posted a case. There have been opinions shared on it. | ||
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