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On December 02 2013 20:19 marvellosity wrote: No rayn, it's not all about you darling.
If you have such a power, then it's not a big stretch that there might be other, significant vote-fucking powers out there. Vote rigger. Who could rig these? Wukong?
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Ahh okay. I also suggest we force everyone vote for top 2, at most top 3 candidates on D1. In that way i think the list check is most powerful.
In case someone leaves a stupid hippie vote somewhere policy lynch them immediately.
Agreed?
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oh man i don't have enough time right now to reread all this. Let's focus on a decent lynchtarget please. i'll be back this evening.
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Certainly outlying votes will need to be super-heavily scrutinised this game. And all of town should be reading these posts and so should realise that throwing away their vote is not an acceptable option.
On the other hand, I don't want people using "consolidation" as an excuse with 24h to go or something dumb. Push yo shit and then consolidate if/when absolutely necessary. This is all pretty obvious but people need to get it.
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On December 02 2013 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ahh okay. I also suggest we force everyone vote for top 2, at most top 3 candidates on D1. In that way i think the list check is most powerful.
In case someone leaves a stupid hippie vote somewhere policy lynch them immediately.
Agreed? Best would be to have townreads vote on 1 target and then check that wagon.
Getting back 0 scums is the best result you can have.
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Kurumi - I don't play LoL so I'm going to be pretty useless at any role speculations this game.
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God i love these mass power games when certain criteria is met. + Show Spoiler +When i am town
It's incredibly easy to win as town because: 1) People will mass-claim at some point. Whatever whoever says mass-claiming benefits the town. 2) Based purely on claims and power uses town has like 70% chance of winning even if you ignore the scumhunting completely (obviously not saying we should do this) 3) Scum need to be incredibly cooperative and lucky to even stand any sort of chance against a town that works together. Even if the plans are only semi-decent and there are "what if"-factors a town working together is impossible to beat for scum.
That being said i like bumatlarge's case on jcarl. Whaddya guys think?
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rayn - not got to his case yet. Just got to MZ's case on gtrsrs, which by and large I agree with.
Two posts playing himself down:
On December 01 2013 04:56 gtrsrs wrote: also since a lot of you are more experienced or adamant about this game and the order, i'll pick somewhat low numbers so i don't harsh your vibe
sorry for the terrible post but seeing as most of the posts so far have also been terrible i don't feel so bad.
On December 01 2013 16:26 gtrsrs wrote: perhaps i don't quite understand the roles, but bum, how are kha'zix and viktor not in any of your lists? based on what we know of kha in the game he's got mobility, invisibility, and high damage. i'm sure he'll have some pretty lethal abilities by day 4/5. i believe that he should be a priority pick for town, just to deny him from mafia, yes? and aren't inventor roles pretty strong in a game like this? allows us to give "vanillas" some better abilities (or at least further empower our best players, no?).
Into asserting himself:
On December 02 2013 10:12 gtrsrs wrote: whoever takes kha'zix before me is scum
On December 02 2013 14:39 gtrsrs wrote: so who took kha'zix? i declared that i was taking him and so you are scum for taking him. please come forward so i can lynch you It's totally illogical to go "picking low numbers because I suck" ---> "if you picked my role you are mafia".
I also hated this post at the time
On December 02 2013 02:18 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 01:12 VisceraEyes wrote: So much LoL. So much. All of my LoLs. is there any way we can cut these posts out? not really adding much to the game. makes me lose focus when trying to catch up. did i read the page where X lol'd at Y? did i read the page where Y lol'd back at X? it's a huge turnoff and i don't want to say it looks scummy but it makes me want to vote for people spamming this shit just so we don't have to read it all game I generally get the sentiment of spam = bad, it's just out of place given the thread wasn't really a shitfest anyway, and he has so few posts that he's wasting one on a post like this. Especially the wording "I don't want to say it looks scummy" ---> "but it makes me want to vote for people spamming this shit". Over the top and illogical. Yuckityyuck.
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gtrsrs is the kind of player that Ver in that big analysis would be going "scum scum scum!" for talking himself down but it's never that easy.
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Actually i just looked at his past games and ended up in his TL Mafia XL filter and lol'd hard. I totally retract from my town read on him.
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Gtrsrs was very aggressive in the game I played with him. In fact he was so good and aggressive that iGrok(godfather) banned him out of his games out of spite since gtrsrs and I pushed lynch on him.
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Which game was that Kurumi?
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Yeah... that filter makes his play here look even worse.
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On December 02 2013 15:23 Mocsta wrote:
I got nothing.. I think his position is reasonable.
This is interesting, isn't it?
All the other VT claims I've noted down have actually had SOME kind of power (50 kp, or Oats' list change?)
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Yes that is indeed really weird. But if he got 50 KP or something why would he lie about it?
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On December 02 2013 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes that is indeed really weird. But if he got 50 KP or something why would he lie about it? Or he's mafia and he doesn't want to claim his role and claimed VT and didn't think through that other VT claims actually have some sort of power
Mocsta is looking kinda not-good to me already.
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I should add - not only for that, although that helps niggle away at me. From what I've read so far, I'm not a fan of how he answered/analysed the list of players you gave him, and his question to VE re: Kenpachi felt weird as well. Defence of gtrsrs was also quite dodgy.
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Oh, and I also detested his pseudo town-claim that he made after that list he gave and you said they were all town - "I just mislynched in MYLO, forgive me if i'm a bit careful" or whatever the words were. That was really bad.
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On December 02 2013 21:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes that is indeed really weird. But if he got 50 KP or something why would he lie about it? Or he's mafia and he doesn't want to claim his role and claimed VT and didn't think through that other VT claims actually have some sort of power Mocsta is looking kinda not-good to me already. I would not look into his claim too much atm. Let's assume he is mafia: 1) In case he is hiding his role and claiming vanilla: - If he somehow gets role-copped he is screwed - If anyone ever sees him visiting someone, let it be a power or sending in night kill, he is screwed, he can't even fakeclaim in having sent in some arbitary or real power 2) In case he is telling truth about being vanilla but lying about his ability: - If anyone ever sees him visiting someone, let it be a power or sending in night kill, he is screwed, he can't even fakeclaim in having sent in some arbitary or real power
In either case he is screwed. Also later on in the game, assuming he is alive, power uses and stuff will become "confirmed" (when people start claiming). If there is some ability that is not accounted and other people's power uses can be tracked down he is screwed.
So.. If he did in fact fakeclaim something about his role he can only do possible harm for himself.
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