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What I know: Mig shot MZ N1 - MZ claimed to have taken no damage and Mig got back a HP value. MZ claimed to have used his clone. MZ had no reason to fear being shot as scum. Mig tried to shoot MZ N2 and evidently nothing happened/ MZ took no damage. MZ had strong reasons to use his clone this night because he was under heavy suspicion.
I think it is absolutely possible MZ lied about using his clone N1.
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One of the questions is - how likely is it that Mig got a hp value back if he hit a clone? Not very likely I think. More likely that Mig hit a clone N2 and got no HP value back.
Correct me if I am wrong.
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On December 11 2013 09:24 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 09:16 supersoft wrote:On December 11 2013 09:14 supersoft wrote:On December 11 2013 09:13 justanothertownie wrote:On December 11 2013 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why would mafia!MZ use mirror image on N1? Like did he assume town will hit him with something like 1000 KP? He DID indeed use it, correct? as someone shot him. How can you know he used it? we know it. people claimed to have hit him and he took no damage. in fact mig tried to hit him. at least he didnt claim it right away and then sticked with the story he didnt took any, which fits his role... LSB is obviously correct: if he's scum, he could have lied about it all. However i don't see the benefit of lying about such a simple thing, since taking damage doesn't incriminate him. so he had no reason to hide that damage. Simply having a clone in an unexpected situation (such as night 2, which could be another explanation for the crown thing, in addition to roleblocking) is always valuable. If I were a mafia Wukong I would probably try to claim I used my clone ability quickly so I could dodge a town vig who wouldn't have shot me if he thought I had my clones The reason why I am so cautious is due to Mig focusing Meepak Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 12:33 Mig wrote: Mz - n1 I got 825 back as my result. N-2 I got nothing back so my shot did not hit you. Either it was stopped or you were protected.
coag didnt have to post in the thread so seems he was just being a monkey.
Does anyone have the updated sign up list? Need to see who else is going to take damage. I find it odd that Mig was unable to use his second action, and probably one of the strangest things that went on last night. If Mig hit meepak and returned an odd HP number, I think MZ would be under even more serious suspicion. Anyways, it'd be best to wait for the day post for more information on this Very good point.
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On December 11 2013 09:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem is why the fuck would you ever use the clone as mafia unless you are < 500 hp or smth if you have like... any other ability? That's just dumb, unless you somehow know / assume town will hit you with like 1000 KP. Why does noone think about these things? Because he had LEGIT REASONS to assume he would be hit with a big amount of KP N2 after that lynch.
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On December 11 2013 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 09:30 justanothertownie wrote:On December 11 2013 09:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem is why the fuck would you ever use the clone as mafia unless you are < 500 hp or smth if you have like... any other ability? That's just dumb, unless you somehow know / assume town will hit you with like 1000 KP. Why does noone think about these things? Because he had LEGIT REASONS to assume he would be hit with a big amount of KP N2 after that lynch. That's bullshit. Town did not consolidate KP so there is no reason to assume anything like that. That's the best you can come up with against my argument? Good. I feel confident about this now.
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On December 11 2013 09:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 09:25 justanothertownie wrote: One of the questions is - how likely is it that Mig got a hp value back if he hit a clone? Not very likely I think. More likely that Mig hit a clone N2 and got no HP value back.
Correct me if I am wrong. Ok why on earth would I lie about the clone N1? You all have jumped to the conclusion that I lied N1 for some reason but really, what reason would I have to lie? I cloned N1 because I thought I'd be a decent scum shot. People were calling me town after the D1 but I didn't feel that I was likely to be protected. JAT you're making assumptions about how mig's role interacts with my role. The text of my role is this "All abilities that would have hit you hit your clone instead." It's in the OP, where in there does it say to you that Mig wouldn't get back a number. Obviously it doesn't say that. But I think it is much more likely that you used your clone night 2 and he got nothing back while you lied night 1 than that your clone was hit night 1 while he got back a hp value and you somehow magically didn't get hit night 2.
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To get people to think you are a townie afraid of being nightkilled? To get townies with KP to think you already used your protection?
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Actually now that I think about it ignore the second part. First part is valid though.
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On December 11 2013 09:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Even if we take "best case scenario":
Chezinu 900 damage - scum Mig 50 damage - town VisceraEyes 50 damage +200 - scum raynpelikoneet 100 damage - town (ss) Risen 325 damage - let's assume town but -100 in that case (ss) Coagulation 50 damage - town ticklishmusic 749 damage - scum
so town has 425 dmg + mig 150 dmg = 575 dmg.
I am pretty sure scum are at some level aware of how much KP town has. Even if town focuses all damage on MZ, why would he use his clone? He does not even die. Does town focus all dmg on MZ? Fuck no. This town is in no way capable of doing that even if MZ was confirmed scum rofl.
So again, why use clone on N2? lol rayn. This defense is really stupid. When would he use it if not N2 after being the main counterwagon to the lynched townie with tons of suspicion on him? If his second ability is anything like the one he claimed that one is useless anyways. You are telling us scum has no problem taking unnecessary damage because "maybe it doesn't kill me flat out"? Besides I don't think scum was sure about the amount of damage town is able to do at night 2.
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On December 11 2013 09:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 09:47 justanothertownie wrote:On December 11 2013 09:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Even if we take "best case scenario":
Chezinu 900 damage - scum Mig 50 damage - town VisceraEyes 50 damage +200 - scum raynpelikoneet 100 damage - town (ss) Risen 325 damage - let's assume town but -100 in that case (ss) Coagulation 50 damage - town ticklishmusic 749 damage - scum
so town has 425 dmg + mig 150 dmg = 575 dmg.
I am pretty sure scum are at some level aware of how much KP town has. Even if town focuses all damage on MZ, why would he use his clone? He does not even die. Does town focus all dmg on MZ? Fuck no. This town is in no way capable of doing that even if MZ was confirmed scum rofl.
So again, why use clone on N2? lol rayn. This defense is really stupid. When would he use it if not N2 after being the main counterwagon to the lynched townie with tons of suspicion on him? If his second ability is anything like the one he claimed that one is useless anyways. You are telling us scum has no problem taking unnecessary damage because "maybe it doesn't kill me flat out"? Besides I don't think scum was sure about the amount of damage town is able to do at night 2. When he has been hit so much he actually can reasonably assume town can kill him that night.. So instead he just takes the damage - no problem. Although he could prevent that? Yeah, no.
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On December 11 2013 09:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 09:47 justanothertownie wrote:On December 11 2013 09:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Even if we take "best case scenario":
Chezinu 900 damage - scum Mig 50 damage - town VisceraEyes 50 damage +200 - scum raynpelikoneet 100 damage - town (ss) Risen 325 damage - let's assume town but -100 in that case (ss) Coagulation 50 damage - town ticklishmusic 749 damage - scum
so town has 425 dmg + mig 150 dmg = 575 dmg.
I am pretty sure scum are at some level aware of how much KP town has. Even if town focuses all damage on MZ, why would he use his clone? He does not even die. Does town focus all dmg on MZ? Fuck no. This town is in no way capable of doing that even if MZ was confirmed scum rofl.
So again, why use clone on N2? lol rayn. This defense is really stupid. When would he use it if not N2 after being the main counterwagon to the lynched townie with tons of suspicion on him? If his second ability is anything like the one he claimed that one is useless anyways. You are telling us scum has no problem taking unnecessary damage because "maybe it doesn't kill me flat out"? Besides I don't think scum was sure about the amount of damage town is able to do at night 2. JAT. I can't use it two nights in a row. I used it N1. As much as I would have liked to use it last night I couldn't. Can you not see where your logic flaw is? I used it N1, look at my use in context of that time. I have NO REASON to lie then. Then N2, when it would have been a better use from a scum perspective, I can't just magically use it, BECAUSE I ALREADY USED IT. No, I can't see the logic flaw and there is no way of knowing you really used it N1.
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On December 11 2013 09:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: So JAT if you were scum!MZ you would have used your clone on N2 when whatever town does you know you can't die instead of something like N4-5 when town starts thinking "maybe we should use all KP-roles to kill MZ"?
Are you seriously suggesting that using the clone on N2 as mafia is a better option? How much damage did MZ block. 150, hooray, fucking best clone use ever! He didn't know how much he would block so don't even bring that bullshit in the equation. And yes, why not use it? It is not one-shot.
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On December 11 2013 09:57 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 09:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Again, who the fuck cares if you have 900 or 700 or 600 hp as scum? When town starts consolidating all KP on one target then it might become a problem. Rayne it isnt just about kp. His clone takes his spot for all abilities. If he was afraid of the invention or afraid of a check (not sure what a dt check would show on his clone) etc he could use the clone. Thank you. The invention alone is enough reason to use the clone.
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All abilities that would have hit you hit your clone instead. I think that includes alignment checks.
Can someone tell me why we assume mkfuba was roleblocked because his ability didn't work? If he tried to use item + ability that might have been too much. Didn't people say you could only do one thing at a time?
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On December 11 2013 10:06 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 09:55 Mig wrote: Most peoples hidden ability is at the very least as strong if not stronger than their first. Your claimed second ability is insanely bad. A one shot 50 dmg nuke on 3 people. Really? Seems a bit fishy.
So far everyone had his ult as second abilitie. I am not sure about Leblanc since I don't play her, but mimic is the ult right? Khazix had a lot of abilities and somehow didn't fit in this pattern, too. What's the name of your second abilitie? I got my ult. ziggs got his ult I got my ult.
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On December 11 2013 10:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:06 justanothertownie wrote: All abilities that would have hit you hit your clone instead. I think that includes alignment checks.
Can someone tell me why we assume mkfuba was roleblocked because his ability didn't work? If he tried to use item + ability that might have been too much. Didn't people say you could only do one thing at a time? Hey JAT, can you define what a clone is for me? Irrelevant because nobody would have gotten a result apart from someone died of this check. It would have only killed your clone.
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On December 11 2013 10:08 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:06 supersoft wrote:On December 11 2013 09:55 Mig wrote: Most peoples hidden ability is at the very least as strong if not stronger than their first. Your claimed second ability is insanely bad. A one shot 50 dmg nuke on 3 people. Really? Seems a bit fishy.
So far everyone had his ult as second abilitie. I am not sure about Leblanc since I don't play her, but mimic is the ult right? Khazix had a lot of abilities and somehow didn't fit in this pattern, too. What's the name of your second abilitie? I got my ult. ziggs got his ult Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 11:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On December 07 2013 11:44 supersoft wrote: what's your hidden abilitie MZ? It's nimbus strike, it deals 50 damage to three targets. I can use it once thats not the ult right? It is not even a very believable ability.
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On December 11 2013 10:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:09 ticklishmusic wrote: no, we want to stick with the original plan of focusing one scum member i think...
yes, but i got a PM stating i couldnt ult and use my normal ability at once when i tried. i'm sure host would have told us if you can only use item or ability. besides, didnt whoever pop the ambulance radio use their ability as well? So you are gonna let everyone just call MZ scum when you can have a free cop check on him and JL won't die to the KP anyways? What's this bullshit? Why don't people think with their brain? That's not a copcheck and mafia surely has some way to fuck with it.
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On December 11 2013 10:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:09 justanothertownie wrote:On December 11 2013 10:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On December 11 2013 10:06 justanothertownie wrote: All abilities that would have hit you hit your clone instead. I think that includes alignment checks.
Can someone tell me why we assume mkfuba was roleblocked because his ability didn't work? If he tried to use item + ability that might have been too much. Didn't people say you could only do one thing at a time? Hey JAT, can you define what a clone is for me? Irrelevant because nobody would have gotten a result apart from someone died of this check. It would have only killed your clone. lolol Not irrelevant at all, now you're making assumptions about my ability that I don't even know. Furthermore, I'd be confirmed scum if that had happened. How is that a win for me? The item would have checked your clone and your clone would have taken the damage I think that is pretty reasonable to assume.
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On December 11 2013 10:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:11 justanothertownie wrote:On December 11 2013 10:08 supersoft wrote:On December 11 2013 10:06 supersoft wrote:On December 11 2013 09:55 Mig wrote: Most peoples hidden ability is at the very least as strong if not stronger than their first. Your claimed second ability is insanely bad. A one shot 50 dmg nuke on 3 people. Really? Seems a bit fishy.
So far everyone had his ult as second abilitie. I am not sure about Leblanc since I don't play her, but mimic is the ult right? Khazix had a lot of abilities and somehow didn't fit in this pattern, too. What's the name of your second abilitie? I got my ult. ziggs got his ult On December 07 2013 11:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On December 07 2013 11:44 supersoft wrote: what's your hidden abilitie MZ? It's nimbus strike, it deals 50 damage to three targets. I can use it once thats not the ult right? It is not even a very believable ability. Take it up with the hosts post game. Why are you tunneling me? At this point you are looking at everything and saying it makes me scum which makes it hard for me to even take you seriously anymore. Like I care if you take me seriously. I don't back off because the defense rayn and you are delivering is really really bad and I was leaning scum on you before anyways.
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