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justanothertownie
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 04 2013 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, that's fine. I really hated that he went through post after post after post to argue about your alignment, how many games you've played together, all these things you do as town and why you're town, then also dropped: Yes, but he usually follows it up with in-depth stuff about other players. His push on gtsrs is the only thing I remember outside of his shitfight with Mocsta.  On December 02 2013 17:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Post was just out of place. All these other VE posts about how he's the magical VE-whisperer, and then a post count analysis on D1 ish in a game with a long pregame and just completely ignoring other games. I dunno, this post smelled. Understanding VE 101 by MZ So I have a pretty lengthy history with mislynching VE. As a result I believe I am very good at reading him and am willing to make strong reads based off what I see Let’s go over VE this game. In the first 5 hours he makes 15 posts. They are one liners which don’t do much but let you know he’s following the game and thinking about it. By comparison, it takes VE 3 days to reach 15 posts in the game rayn linked. In the first 5 hours VE makes exactly 1 post. They have the same tone but they lack the same carefree nature that VE’s posts when he’s town have. These 15 posts constitute my early game read on VE and it only got stronger from there. K can we get off my dick now? This shit is a little old especially since we all agree I am right. MZ's interactions with LSB felt very...fluffy. On December 02 2013 14:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: MZ doesn't like his claim but thinks he's telling the truth but might be hiding in plain sight and hasn't posted enough to draw conclusions about behavior.I also really don't like LSB's claim. He's probably telling the truth about the role, but tryndamere is such a scum role it feels like he's trying to hide in plain sight by claiming it. He's barely posted so I can't really draw on a correlation between his behavior and possible motives for claiming but I don't like it and will be keeping a close eye on how he uses the role. But let's leave gut feelings aside for now and get to some actual scum hunting. Then half or the majority of his posts from yesterday are just him sniping at LSB. + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2013 12:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LSB I will take you using your role tonight as a scum claim. On December 03 2013 12:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is horrible horrible reasoning for a townie. a) who cares what you are, I am of the opinion that the less information we give the scum team the better b) being concerned about getting lynched is a very scum oriented mindset, townies have nothing to fear from the lynch because they are inherently innocent, it is a scum mindset to focus on not getting lynched. c) nobody cares about how much damage you do, you took a scum role, it should never be used d) the collateral damage your role does means it should never be used to target one person Seriously LSB it's pretty clear you are not looking at this from a town angle. This is a PYP game, there are so many unknowns that the less kp townies throw around the better. The last thing I want to see is for this town to shoot itself to death while scum laugh their way to gg. You throwing kp around indiscriminately is the most blatantly anti town thing done in this thread so far. On December 03 2013 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: wow, way to complete ignore everything I said, while at the same time verify my points that you aren't approaching this game from a town perspective. Roles =/= alignment, all you've done is blue hunt. The only people who benefit from that info are scum. Since gtrsrs looks like he's headed for a modkill might as well put my vote somewhere useful ##Unvote ##Vote: LSB On December 03 2013 12:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: To recap, all LSB has done is fish for blues. On top of that, he's interested in confirming himself "so he doesn't get lynched." He's gonna use KP to confirm himself like I can't get over how anti town that is. And going back to his claim, I said this early on too, it has the feel of a scum trying to hide in plain sight by claiming a blatantly anti town role. On December 03 2013 12:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Are you drunk? Because that would explain a lot of what's happened over the last couple hours. On December 03 2013 12:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: LSB For the love of all that is town Stop. Fucking. Blue. Hunting On December 03 2013 12:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You said it yourself odin, LSB's actions this game have appeared scum motivated. On December 03 2013 13:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This is complete fearmongering and speculation. However: (1) It doesn't feel like he's pushing his LSB scumread in the same way he pushed his townVE read, or even his very early bit on gtrsrs. He's directly engaging LSB, but rarely, if ever, is asking other people about LSB, trying to get their votes, etc. It's just...poking at a dude who is doing scummy stuff, over and over. (2) I can understand finding "blue hunting" scummy. But in PYP games, THIS HAPPENS. People get caught based on picks, roles, power usages, it's...it's part of a PYP game. It's not odd for someone to hunt, and it's not TERRIBLE to hunt because it DOES catch a mafia or two in a lot of/most PYP/PTP games. I don't like MZ using the phrase "blue hunting" without ever seeming to discuss or consider that this is a different beast than a normal game, and blue hunting may not be the most scummiest thing ever. It's not the most blatant scummy stuff ever, but his were some posts that just didn't feel like they were DOING anything to me. Looking closer, apart from the gtrsrs stuff very early, just trying to build discussion, his filter is pewp imo. And the very fact that he'd try to start discussion early and then just...fade away into poking at LBS doesn't sit well with me. Having a couple townie posts early on into nothing always seems like what scumvets do. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On December 04 2013 11:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I did so because I was third pick Bum what did you expect me to do? The top picks are like almost guaranteed to get champs so it's not like I wasn't already a target for scum. Claim it first, so we don't try, or don't claim at all. Can't you see it's fairly scummy to claim something that strong at the wrong time, so people have to have a very good reason to actually read you? | ||
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VisceraEyes
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
feel really bad because kushm4asta seems new but he can't think I'm townie, he's not smart enough to knew. not new at all. played a fuck ton of games. I have very specific reasons for thinking you are town. smd | ||
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On December 04 2013 11:24 austinmcc wrote: I don't understand scumjay going "HAHA I GOTS TO KEEP ME EYE ON YOU, SCUMMY MARV" a bunch for no real reason. mafiajay is going to...do nothing, admit to doing nothing, unabashedly flout that he's doing nothing, and spend his only real effort of the day just saying that marv is scum or might be scum or was scum this other time? I love playing the "marv was scum this other time" game, but ... it's a side event, not a main feature. I don't see a scum player being so keyed in on that and so willing to flaunt his do-nothingness. I don't think bum is mafia. That post of his on VTs too town. I'd love to lynch rean. Rean's BttB filter has ... real posts in it. Thoughts, reads - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582&user=Rean His filter this game does not have real posts. There are also...strange things:(Put aside that this post is made while he wants graves to get banned, but has his vote on yorick, who is DEFINITELY GONNA GET BANNED. But he doesn't move a vote off yorick to try and get graves, the guy he's saying should be banned, definitely banned) Saysbut hasn't said anything about ANYONE townie or scummy, despite his game plan being to find a townie and sheep em. There's just no interaction from today to go off of, despite him saying his goal is to find a townie. I was super duper inactive for the banning stuff, have not read, but out of filters I've seen, his banning phase looks...very funky. It's not just a lack of planning, it's the fact that he says KP roles are bad for mafia and the fact that he really wants graves banned, instead of someone (i dunno who else was up for discussion), and as best I can tell he keeps his vote on Yorick the whole time, who is 100% getting banned, and never bothers to back up his ban graves ban graves schtick with a vote to help ban graves, that could easily be spared off the yorick ban. MZ in another post. Not good in the hands of scum as in "it's not good if they get it either but it's the lesser of two evils". I am very good at awkwardly wording things so that people end up misunderstanding me :> | ||
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bumatlarge
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
But he was scum there??? | ||
Mig
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On December 04 2013 11:30 kushm4sta wrote: @bumlover not new at all. played a fuck ton of games. I have very specific reasons for thinking you are town. smd You can't be that omnipotent. You'd have to analyze my past posts and come to the conclusion that everything I've done was to further advance Town's advantage over scum. There is a super slim chance that you are not mafia hoping to get some cred when I flip green. | ||
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Rean
Netherlands808 Posts
On December 04 2013 11:31 bumatlarge wrote: Also, people asking me to defend myself. I can't really defend myself for fakeclaiming role-denial. I like to be risky when I get the chance in mafia. This probably would have come back to bite me later, but this is much sooner then I expected, I was hoping to lead a lynch onto scum before I had to say anything. No follow. What do you mean fakeclaiming role-denial? | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On December 04 2013 11:31 bumatlarge wrote: Also, people asking me to defend myself. I can't really defend myself for fakeclaiming role-denial. I like to be risky when I get the chance in mafia. This probably would have come back to bite me later, but this is much sooner then I expected, I was hoping to lead a lynch onto scum before I had to say anything. Nobody cares about the fake claim. Like that's the least scummy thing you've done. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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VisceraEyes
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On December 04 2013 11:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Are you saying that people don't have a very good reason to actually read me now Bum? Because I'm Lux? They do, but your priority on the list of people that need to get analyzed shoots way down knowing your first ability does nothing for scum, and does so much for town. If I was 70% on you being mafia, it still would probably not be worth it to lynch you early. I just want to make this strategy known. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
DELETE THAT BIT. REST IS STILL RELEVANT. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
FYI an extract from BttB regarding Rean scum meta + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2013 02:37 Mocsta wrote: Small tidbit, whilst looking for Rayn in the TL db to check mislynch history, i saw Rean: Insane Mafia 2 Town Police Tough Guy Killed Night 2 TL Mafia XXXVIII Town Vanilla Town Killed Night 3 Sleeper Cell Mafia Mafia Sleeper Agent Modkilled Day 1 Pick Their Power Mafia Town Psychic Survived I know Sleepcell is from 2011 but check teh filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=210416&user=Rean&view=all He has like 2 posts, but they are SO aggressive. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227186&user=Rean&view=all In Pick Their Poewr he is quite casual and short posts. Rean gameplay doesnt really fit into either of those filters + its from 2011 and things change. BUT, what i do think is that it shows quite clearly his mentality when scum. Hesistant to talk, and high-strung/angry. On November 22 2013 11:52 Rean wrote: *snip* but wanted to comment on mocsta mentioning old games: I cant remember why but I know I was so frustrated from RL issues during the sleeper cell game that I didnt focus on it at all and the few posts I made were total shit. I got modkilled for lack of voting and banned for it and I totally deserved it and sat out the bans. You probably shouldn't be using it for meta purposes. going to sleep now, hopefully i'll feel better tomorrow. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On December 04 2013 11:34 Rean wrote: No follow. What do you mean fakeclaiming role-denial? "HEY EVERYONE IM TAKING TRYNDAMERE" Doesn't take tryndamere. | ||
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austinmcc
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