Newbie Mini Mafia LI - Page 35

On January 08 2014 01:02 TheChyz wrote:
Everybody has to start to make up their mind. IMO Dragoon himself has not cleared his name, the person that has done that for him is DW. His so called defense after the martyr to me felt like garbage and he has done almost nothing to help scumhunt. The current vote on dnyarri IS in fact useless because apart from the votes onto him, there is no information to be gained whatsoever. However Dragoon has played a terrible game and has done nothing productive to the town, infact all he has done is cause confusion (as well as DW), which in this case is worse than dnyarri. His allignment will also say SO much more than dnyarri's will

From the beginning of the game Dragoon and DW have been defending themselves and it has been very suspicious. Personally I just thing DW knows too much and my vote would be on him because regardless if for some reason Dragoon ends up being town, DW will use the "i told you card". He seems very adamant on dnyarri, but it seems to me like he is just hoping that since I voted for him I would be able to help lead the bandwagon on the lurker or somebody else will. To me I find that DW has also barely helped town scum hunt in the fact that he just tries to attack everybody in the game but only a little bit, never with a vote, and has been defensive about Dragoon from the start. Too much defending Dragoon and not enough scum hunting.

##Vote: Day_Walker

On January 07 2014 19:42 chinstrap wrote:
I think we have the correct Day 1 lynch, I also think that everything that has been posted about the lynch since ~martyr post has been completely superfluous and should not be read into regardless of what colour theDragoon flips. The day basically ends there in my mind.

On January 07 2014 21:20 Day_Walker wrote:
@Balla's second question:


Judging by his actions, I don't have a strong read on Dragoon
The evidence against Dragoon looked very different to me than the rest of town. When people were talking about me and Dragoon as scum buddies, and then accusing us of trying to distance ourselves, I was the only townie who could read those posts and say "lol no". When Dragoon was defending himself against these accusation, I was the only townie who could read those posts and say "yup, this is 100% a guy defending himself against some false accusations". I think this in turn affected the weight I gave to other accusations against him. For example, I think most other people saw his snap OWB vote as scummy. Since I knew that OWB's scum-buddy accusation was false, I thought "well, I can't really tell if this is a frustrated townie lashing out or a cornered scum lashing out". The way Town has interacted with Dragoon over the last day has made it difficult for me to get a good read on him, because I'm not sure how to tell the difference between frustrated townie and cornered scum.

Judging by the entire game, I lean town for Dragoon.

This most heavily rests on my scum read for dnyarri, and the fact that dnyarri placed the very first for Dragoon. Based on the vote, I think it unlikely that both dnyarri AND Dragoon are scum, and this turns my scum read for dnyarri into a town read for Dragoon. And for the reasons I just gave, this sounds a lot more plausible to me than to any other townie.

@Balla's first question:


Let me try that again.
I saw two people that I suspect as scum, dnyarri and OWB, contribute early on in the Dragoon lynch (votes 1 and 3) for reasons that didn't look strong to me (again my take is different here, since I'm the only town who knows OWB's accusation was completely untrue). The Town was already suspicious of Dragoon, the lynch took off, and sidesprang capped it off with another scummy-feeling vote.

To summarize:
I am not adamant that Dragoon is town, although I suspect he is. I am adamant that dnyarri is a better lynch target.
I my read on Dragoon and the situation in general has been influenced by information available only to scum, me, and Dragoon, and I understand that the rest of Town may not share my views.

The more and more I think about it the more I start to doubt the Day_Walker/Dragoon pair

On January 08 2014 05:35 onlywonderboy wrote:

I agree with a lot of what was brought up here. The more and more I think about it the more I start to doubt the Day_Walker/Dragoon pair. This mostly has to do with how things have played out since Dragoon got a large portion of the votes. I agree that Day_Walker has put forth way more effort into defending Dragoon after his doom seemed inevitable and decided to rally his cause around a lurker that it would be hard to gather support for. If Dragoon flips town DW looks clear, but he seems to have gone out of his way to make it actually look this way. If they were both scum it's unlikely he would be defending him so vehemently.

On January 07 2014 23:21 chinstrap wrote:


Reread this:



I'm saying not saying the act of defending = innocence or guilt. I am saying that defending is a way to buy towncred at this point because it is inherently going against the tide (and the innocent child thanks to the timing of the 2 posts i have issue with)

My problem is with the way DW goes about it and how he draws his conclusions. The whole lurker issue is counterproductive and pro mafia as I stated multiple pages ago.