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@sidesprang
You know why me and Day_Walker became defensive about BigDad's accusations? Because he was putting words in my mouth. Saying I trusted DW, I have mentioned this multiple times. I have NEVER trusted Day_Walker, and I have never mentioned anything about trusting him, go look at my other posts.
Regarding:Day_Walker
The evidence against Dragoon looked very different to me than the rest of town. When people were talking about me and Dragoon as scum buddies, and then accusing us of trying to distance ourselves, I was the only townie who could read those posts and say "lol no". When Dragoon was defending himself against these accusation, I was the only townie who could read those posts and say "yup, this is 100% a guy defending himself against some false accusations". I think this in turn affected the weight I gave to other accusations against him. For example, I think most other people saw his snap OWB vote as scummy. Since I knew that OWB's scum-buddy accusation was false, I thought "well, I can't really tell if this is a frustrated townie lashing out or a cornered scum lashing out". The way Town has interacted with Dragoon over the last day has made it difficult for me to get a good read on him, because I'm not sure how to tell the difference between frustrated townie and cornered scum.
Before reading that post I was was a bit suspicious of Day_Walker, and this post could very well be mafia play but it is exactly how I was thinking. I know I'm not scum but I'm not sure if Day_Walker is but him having the same thought process as me when we got paired as "scum buddies" makes me lean towards him being a townie. If I flip town, DW will look innocent, but if I flip red then DW will look like he was trying to save me. It doesn't make sense for him to try to save me at this point because he is only jeopardizing his credibility if I do end up red. If we are both mafia, he should be throwing me under the bus at this point instead of trying to save me. This is why I think he will end up green. If I get lynched today, which I'm sure will happen, DW's alignment will be even more ambiguous.
Regarding: Suki
At this point I'm thinking she's town as well. I did accuse her of being mafia because of her being so certain that I was. But the more I read her posts the more it looks like a concerned townie rather than mafia taking advantage of the bandwagon on me. I still don't agree with her accusations of "scum slip" but for now I think he's a townie and I take back my accusation of her being mafia.
Regarding: dynarri
He did get the ball rolling on me with the help of BigDad's accusation of me trusting Day_Walker. As I mentioned multiple times before, and even debunked that I never placed my trust in Day_Walker. If I recall correctly, dnyarri, onlywonderboy and BigDad were the ones to use the DW and tD are scum buddies card because tD trusted him. They may have conspired together to fabricate that story and that makes them really suspicious.
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@sidesprang do you think I would vote for myself if I was mafia, given I only had 4 on me before I voted?
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I'm not sure why he turned and started defending himself again, I would not be suprised if he got talked into it by the scum QT.
I'm this far down the hole, the least I could do was post stuff to get replies. The town needs something to work with and I thought that would be the best thing I can do to help.
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Both mafia and town can self vote at anypoint so your question is not only irrelevant but is sidetracking more important things
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It's not the act of self voting I'm questioning. It's the intention. Would mafia do that, 4 votes in?
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Back... first let me answer everything that was levied directly at me:
@Suki: Yes and no, for the most part no i dont disagree, BUT... you are overlooking a lot of things that come with a lynch... do we have future targets? Do we gain information if he happens to flip town? Etc etc.. Is he already pressured enough that we will be able to catch him in the future?
My opinion on dragoon is still the same, I want to lynch him. I'm not sure if I consider him the scummiest, he's still scummy... Regardless I want to see this lynch through, there's plenty to gain from it on both sides of the flip. FTR though suki, this question was really loaded...
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On January 08 2014 04:30 theDragoon wrote:
It's not the act of self voting I'm questioning. It's the intention. Would mafia do that, 4 votes in?
Would town?
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Quite the change of heart from bold "lynch me and you will see Suki as scum" to "I'm thinking she is town as well."
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On January 08 2014 04:32 TheChyz wrote:
Yes
Care to explain why that would be a good strategy for mafia?
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United States23745 Posts
Self-martyring is just a bad strategy in general because it puts the town in a real bad spot. It could just as easily be a desperation play from a mafia player trying to get out of a bind as it could be genuine frustration from a new player.
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Dat policy discussion insight from OWB...
Why oh why did you feel the need to answer for Chyz there?
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United States23745 Posts
It's a pretty simple policy question so I don't think it matter who answers it. I don't think Dragoon realizes why what he did was wrong so I figured I'd spell it out for him.
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Of course it matters... the answer coming from you is scummy, the answer coming from Chyz forces him to actually have an opinion on why it might be a good or bad strategy for mafia or anybody or whatever. All he's said is it's bad and mafia would do it.
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United States23745 Posts
Is it scummy from me because of the content or because I answered for someone else?
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It's scummy from you because that's literally all you did last game.
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United States23745 Posts
I don't think I follow. I certainly didn't self-martyr/vote for myself in the last game. I think I did something similar in my first game but I've realized now why it's a bad play. Last game I was mafia and I fucked myself because I was even less active in that game and had zero defense for myself when I was mafia. I shut up in the end because it wasn't worth saying anything that would incriminate my teammate.
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You don't follow ^_^. I'm speaking about "policy discussion", that's pretty much all you posted about. You can move on though, no reason to dwell on this.
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Does anybody see this lynch not going through atm? Only way I see it is if someone slips majorly. With that said, does anybody mind if i start bringing up different shit that I was waiting for the conversation to die down for? It's pretty much completely unrelated to dragoon...
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so what happens at night is there still discussion?
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