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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 06 2014 23:58 GMT
#511
@Balla24

I've already outlined several times that I think theDragoon is an easy scum pick. Look at his posts (and my previous posts on him). I'll state it again he tends to dodge questions and post fluff that we cannot use to hunt scum.

His self-vote is confusing; it's either a desperate, last-ditch attempt by a scum player to make us doubt our actions.

Or it's a newbie town that can't deal with the pressure on himself and he needs to post more content to get the bandwagon off him.

My position at the moment is that even a valiant fight on his behalf wont stop this bandwagon, this means that whatever he flips tomorrow we may be able to see his relationships with other players - unfortunately he seems to have given up the ghost and stopped posting. This means that should he flip Town he isn't helping us a whole bunch.
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 06 2014 23:59 GMT
#512
Ah i should have refreshed before posting.
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 07 2014 03:13 GMT
#532
@Suki RE: this post.

Again with the wishy-washiness. He can't seem to decide if theDragoon is 'an easy scum slip' or 'a newbie town that can't deal with the pressure on himself'.

I still don't get a really townie vibe from BigDad like some other people in the thread. He's just too much on the fence about things that he shouldn't be.


I'm just going to re-iterate that I've already outlined several times that I think theDragoon is an easy scum pick. I'm not sure why you're still arguing that I'm sitting on the fence. Just because my vote lies with Day_Walker does not diminish my suspicion of theDragoon. In my opinion, Townies pressuring people they find suspicious isn't suspicious. There's a whole day to go and just because we think we definitely found a scum doesn't mean we have to stop analyzing and probing other players.

(Sorry i bolded that i'm just tired of stating this same position so many times!!)

my analysis for Balla24 is exactly that, analysis, I've stated my opinion - then stated some Obiter Dictum to try to nail his exact position.

I'm not inclined to go through this again, but i'm happy to if you guys need it.
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 07 2014 03:51 GMT
#537
I think my post above covers it.
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 07 2014 09:36 GMT
#582
Albeit reluctantly I'm liking Day_Walker's stance on lurkers. It's obvious that only Mafia and Serial Killers benefit from lurkers. I've re-read his filter and am now having doubts about stance on him. Day_Walker has started contributing more in the content of his posts than when I made my first accusations. In this post he highlights the benefits for the group of targeting an obvious, yet relatively untouched group of people who have contributed a grand total of essentially nothing. We stand to lose nothing, yet potentially gain from challenging them out of their silence.

My reads for suspicious player currently stand against Dnyarri and theDragoon with less doubt on Day_Walker for his pro-town stance on lynching those who aren't contributing.

##Unvote: Day_Walker
(Explanation above; also, I don't want to waste a vote on him if we decide to kill of the Anti-Town lurkers or that theDragoon is scummy.)
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 07 2014 09:46 GMT
#589
Im just reading over theDragoon's defence post.

My initial thoughts on this long awaited post is that still reads like a Knee-Jerk post. Of course in a defence post he is going to sound defensive however he almost goes on the offence against some people.. who exactly? He targets some of the most recent people to vote for him, plus myself who initially doubted him and the person i thought he was sympathizing with.

I need to mull on this post for a while. I can't decide if its in our best interest to follow the potential bandwagon or go for the lurkers.
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 07 2014 09:48 GMT
#591
On January 07 2014 18:41 Balla24 wrote:
@bigdad Mafia also benefits from lurkers in the fact that it gives them a super easy target to push to a mislynch, don't forget that... I did it in my first game as scum in fact.


Yeah, its bad if we mislynch a town lurker that doesn't post - but it could potentially be worse if we mislynch an active town.

Eugh, im so confused.
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 07 2014 10:34 GMT
#598
@Derrida, i literally just unvoted him. Explanation is my most recent post
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 07 2014 11:30 GMT
#613
Im off too bed also, I'm going to have to go with either theDragoon or dnyarri.

I may not be awake when the lynch occurs, but if in the next few hours you guys decide to choose a lurker over theDragoon i'll place my vote on dnyarri so that it may be easier to secure a majority. Im happy for either of them to go as one looks scummy and the other isn't adding much at all.

[b]##Vote: dnyrarri
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 07 2014 11:30 GMT
#614
fml these html codes bone me:

##Vote:dnyarri
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 07 2014 23:51 GMT
#784
wow, a tie lynch. That's ridiculous. I literally cast a vote onto dnyarri after DW's analysis and went to bed ... woke up with a tie lynch on him.

Those last minute vote swaps have me curious.

Overall I'm with chinstrap, shoot off dnyarri - he is the epitome of lurker and has atleast half of our votes anyway. No point wasting another day on him if we can help it.

question - do we lynch another scum during night phase?
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 07 2014 23:52 GMT
#785
do we try* to lynch another scum. yesterday wasn't exactly a successful lynch
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 08 2014 22:02 GMT
#846
Sweet! Good shot whoever the cop/vig is.
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 08 2014 22:46 GMT
#859
Looking through Derrida's feed I can see a lot of posturing but not a lot of actual pressure on other players. Good find Balla. But I'm not sure where to start analysing who the other scum might be. His initial post could be useful as he indicates his positions overtly, yet his other lengthy post here is probably a better start.

[quote]But, for me, if someone was to do this, it would be Balla who has been consistently spearheading discussion, pressuring people, and doing in-depth analysis. It just seems that he is the most experienced and/or better player here, which means that such a move would may only be expected of him if he was scum, now he is guaranteed townie in everyones eyes. [/q]

This is obvious an attempt at eroding Town confidence in Balla who has since role claimed so i'm pretty sure we can add Balla with chinstrap in our confirmed town.

So apart from confirming that Balla24 is a town, what else can we learn from Derrida's death? He hasn't really posted alot about other players.
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 08 2014 22:46 GMT
#860
sorry about the crappy formatting there. the quote should be:

But, for me, if someone was to do this, it would be Balla who has been consistently spearheading discussion, pressuring people, and doing in-depth analysis. It just seems that he is the most experienced and/or better player here, which means that such a move would may only be expected of him if he was scum, now he is guaranteed townie in everyones eyes.
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 08 2014 23:05 GMT
#872
Seriously though where is Dynarri. I'd usually be reluctant to join a vote so early for fear of a bandwagon, but you're both confirmed town in my eyes so..

##Vote: Dynarri
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 08 2014 23:15 GMT
#875
Yeah he did have some beef with me earlier, can't remember what he posted exactly tbh. I'll have another look. Happy to answer any questions if you're suspicious. I'm still looking towards Mr. Dynarri, from my analysis of his feed in relation to chinstraps breakdown of possible games he could either be:

a. scum.
b. town lurker (sadface)
c. serial killer.
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 08 2014 23:15 GMT
#876
its 10:15am atm. cruisy day at work
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 08 2014 23:17 GMT
#878
let me have another look at his feed, gimme a sec.
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BigDad
Profile Joined August 2012
67 Posts
January 08 2014 23:34 GMT
#879
At first read i think it can be either of two things.


He facilitated discussion through his aggressive play. Day one for JonnyLaw was pretty full on, check it out. He went after TheChyz, theDragoon, BigDad, Asuna and OWB. He definitely stirs up the pot in a manner that people respond to. Potentially scum weren't happy with that, which leads my to the second potential reason:


His reads were strong? Maybe he got close to the truth and they didn't want him pushing one of his recent reads?

@Balla24, what do you think?
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