TL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die

On November 16 2013 01:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
now that theres some content to the game lets get this shit on the go.

Grackeroni

This guy is clearly red. Nothing he has done in the span of the game so far is in anyway shape or form actions of town. One of his opening posts is this



Kush is one of the single most disruptive players I have ever played with. He trolls and is generally unhelpful and annoying. Anyone advocating a waste of skin player to be elected is not doing it for any purposes other than his own sadistic pleasure and general fuck you stance to everyone hes playing with. No town should be doing this period.

After that post he follows it up with retarded back and forth comments with pandain calling the two of them mafia (himself and pandain). He then calls out someone for calling them mafia and says he should have kush kill them. Nothing really important and all trolling. All incredibly annoying.

He then proceedes to say that he will only tell us if he finds mafia, and will 100% accept whatever decision pandain says unless he otherwise says. Hes not being helpful hes directly passing off all responsibility of his "reads" to another player. Town has no bloody reason to do this.

He ignores all reads for ages accept for storr in which he tries to elegantly duck out from at first then all in defends the guy on terrrrible reasons. RNG is never good, Storr isn't a newb.

He then continues to troll and spout useless "non alignment indicative" drival which is imo a huge tell about him. He has been incredibly active compared to most players and said exactly nothing of substantial quality nor is he even attempting to do so or promising to do so. He has shown that he doesn't fucking care about town and thus should be removed by fire.

Lets move on to the next one shall we

Storrzerg
The guy has pulled out RNG as a reason to lynch people and has continuously in most of his posts pulled the newb card. I know for a fact he played with me years ago and may be rusty but is in no shape or form new. I also know he plays mafia elsewhere. The fact he pulls a card he should be fully aware at least some of us know is a lie raises insane red flags for me. Anyone who actively lies about something to manipulate an election to his own advantage cannot be town.


I have strong inclinations against Risen, and Rayn, but I want to see more.

VE, Oats, and SS are all town currently in my books and anyone harassing them for anything other than their aggression needs their head examined.
Yamato get off my dick. If you thought I was mafia you should know damn well to hold onto your train of thought until more time has passed and I've posted more to validate your opinion. By posting shit on how I haven't committed to anything by the 7 hour mark you look like a retard. The sheer data available to formulate decent reads of any shape usually doesn't exist by that time.

On November 16 2013 03:50 Spaghetticus wrote:
I’m comfortable with confirming Yamato town. This may seem redundant since that’s the general consensus, but I’m very stringent so this is actually a pretty big step.

On my next readthrough I’ll be fine tooth combing for Mocsta and VE. I’ve got precious history with Mocsta, but he’s also quite active. I want to confirm him town if possible. VE seems like the next most obvious, given the amount of material he has provided. I don’t like some of VE’s towncalls, but I think they’ve already been covered by others.

LoneMeow masoning incident:
I find this unsuspicious. I’m probably more interested in those who tried to force this to be an issue.

Artanis and SS:
SS seems dense. The projected paradigm within which he claims to view the world where everyone’s decision making is based entirely on the single factor of whether or not victory is achieved, is silly.

Does he seriously expect people to sit through a month of his needless abuse in order to slightly increase their chances of winning a prizeless endeavour?

Does he seriously think that by espousing his (so far generally unimpressive) logic to the exclusion of compromise in the pursuit of cooperation, he will achieve his intended position of mayor?

I understand that some people have difficulty getting along with others, but it seems to me a cover. I’d like to hear people’s thoughts on his meta. For someone who proclaims his own competency as a vet at the beginning of the thread, this incompetency is not consistent from my (admittedly limited) perspective. It could very easily be used to obscure scummy motives.

Admittedly, there have also been town tells. I've mixed feelings here.

Grack:
The trolling seems a poor move. BC is hammering him, and IMO rightly so. Grack has fluffed, and Grack has not done much else. I can only think that:
- Grack does not care (useless town)
- Grack is in some way trying to modify his meta (unlikely)
- Grack is trying to scumbait (somewhat more likely)
- Grack is scum (most likely)
The Kush4prez line was possibly scumbait, but honestly I don’t see how a town Grack was planning on taking that bait (if successful) and then convincing town of his plan post hoc. The inevitable arse biting his actions have reaped was entirely foreseeable. It’s difficult to see him as town, as his actions have caused little but discord.

Yamato lynching BC:
I’m not sure, but did I miss the case? I see BC as good, I don’t want him to be scum. I’m not sure why that makes us need to lynch him without further information, as so far he’s been valuable.
Unless I’m missing something, Mocsta was right to demand more reasoning for yamato’s platform based on BC.
That said, Mocsta’s reasoning about cost/benefit for lynching BC confused me. If it’s what I think it is, it’s suspiciously dull.

Sharrant:
I’m not entirely certain how this became a thing, I’ll look into it in my next read. There didn't seem enough information at the time to make reads, that it was mentioned so many times sort of makes me think of artificial intervention.

Kushmasta:
His propensity for unpredictable play makes him unsuitable for mayor. Everyone knows this, though I think some take it too far. Policy lynching him seems both poor play and in poor taste. Using him as a vehicle for lynchbait/trolling is also pretty shit. I think people attempting to bring Kush into the spotlight are hard pressed to provide a believable town motive.
Other than that, there are a lot of people that are sliding around on my scale, but also a lot of undercommitment in posts. If you have a read, please don’t just state your conclusion, as it only begs the question, and junks up the thread with people demanding that you elaborate. You may feel like you’re getting straight to the point #lessismore #quietconfidence but the end result is a less cohesive discussion, and a less effective town.