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Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 09:22 GMT
#1456
On November 16 2013 18:17 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 18:12 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why do you prefer VE over the other mayoral candidates?


He looks town to me and his lynch choices have been reasonable, although I liked the earlier choices more than the current ones I think.


But he is going to lynch off his current choices, not his earlier ones! His lynch choices just seem to be mainly inactives though. Surely you, being not-so-active, shouldn't find these very suitable?
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 09:32 GMT
#1460
On November 16 2013 18:25 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 18:22 Skanjab1s wrote:
On November 16 2013 18:17 LoneMeow wrote:
On November 16 2013 18:12 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why do you prefer VE over the other mayoral candidates?


He looks town to me and his lynch choices have been reasonable, although I liked the earlier choices more than the current ones I think.


But he is going to lynch off his current choices, not his earlier ones! His lynch choices just seem to be mainly inactives though. Surely you, being not-so-active, shouldn't find these very suitable?


His current choices are also acceptable to me. And the fact that I agreed with his earlier choices makes me more certain that he's not scum - my #1 priority is getting a town player voted as mayor, getting a good lynch is secondary to that.

Why should my inactivity make me not want to lynch another inactive? It is true that there's generally scum along the lurkers, and I know I'm not scum, so lynching another lurker seems like a reasonably good proposition to me.


But lynching them just because they are a lurker is rather hypocritical, don't you think? Why do you agree with someone's choices when the reasoning for lynching their candidates is exactly the same for lynching you?
If you are scum, then I can see how you would think this is acceptable (ie: "The reasons that I am scum are the same for them, therefore I can support this"), but as town it makes less sense (ie: "The same reasons apply to me as town, therefore they are scum").
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 09:43 GMT
#1465
On November 16 2013 18:39 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 18:32 Skanjab1s wrote:
On November 16 2013 18:25 LoneMeow wrote:
On November 16 2013 18:22 Skanjab1s wrote:
On November 16 2013 18:17 LoneMeow wrote:
On November 16 2013 18:12 Skanjab1s wrote:
Why do you prefer VE over the other mayoral candidates?


He looks town to me and his lynch choices have been reasonable, although I liked the earlier choices more than the current ones I think.


But he is going to lynch off his current choices, not his earlier ones! His lynch choices just seem to be mainly inactives though. Surely you, being not-so-active, shouldn't find these very suitable?


His current choices are also acceptable to me. And the fact that I agreed with his earlier choices makes me more certain that he's not scum - my #1 priority is getting a town player voted as mayor, getting a good lynch is secondary to that.

Why should my inactivity make me not want to lynch another inactive? It is true that there's generally scum along the lurkers, and I know I'm not scum, so lynching another lurker seems like a reasonably good proposition to me.


But lynching them just because they are a lurker is rather hypocritical, don't you think? Why do you agree with someone's choices when the reasoning for lynching their candidates is exactly the same for lynching you?
If you are scum, then I can see how you would think this is acceptable (ie: "The reasons that I am scum are the same for them, therefore I can support this"), but as town it makes less sense (ie: "The same reasons apply to me as town, therefore they are scum").


Why should I think everyone who plays like me is of the same alignment? Like I said, in my experience there's scum among the lurkers, so a lurker lynch on D1 is a reasonably good choice. Irregardless of whether I fit the criteria myself.


I did not say you should think that everyone who plays like you is the same alignment. However, I do think that it is scum mentality to want to lynch them ONLY for playing like you do.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 09:46 GMT
#1466
On November 16 2013 18:24 Spaghetticus wrote:
If you're all going to ignore me, I assume I'm doing something wrong. Can you at least tell me why I'm being ignored so I can go about fixing it?

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2013 03:50 Spaghetticus wrote:
I’m comfortable with confirming Yamato town. This may seem redundant since that’s the general consensus, but I’m very stringent so this is actually a pretty big step.

On my next readthrough I’ll be fine tooth combing for Mocsta and VE. I’ve got precious history with Mocsta, but he’s also quite active. I want to confirm him town if possible. VE seems like the next most obvious, given the amount of material he has provided. I don’t like some of VE’s towncalls, but I think they’ve already been covered by others.

LoneMeow masoning incident:
I find this unsuspicious. I’m probably more interested in those who tried to force this to be an issue.

Artanis and SS:
SS seems dense. The projected paradigm within which he claims to view the world where everyone’s decision making is based entirely on the single factor of whether or not victory is achieved, is silly.

Does he seriously expect people to sit through a month of his needless abuse in order to slightly increase their chances of winning a prizeless endeavour?

Does he seriously think that by espousing his (so far generally unimpressive) logic to the exclusion of compromise in the pursuit of cooperation, he will achieve his intended position of mayor?

I understand that some people have difficulty getting along with others, but it seems to me a cover. I’d like to hear people’s thoughts on his meta. For someone who proclaims his own competency as a vet at the beginning of the thread, this incompetency is not consistent from my (admittedly limited) perspective. It could very easily be used to obscure scummy motives.

Admittedly, there have also been town tells. I've mixed feelings here.

Grack:
The trolling seems a poor move. BC is hammering him, and IMO rightly so. Grack has fluffed, and Grack has not done much else. I can only think that:
- Grack does not care (useless town)
- Grack is in some way trying to modify his meta (unlikely)
- Grack is trying to scumbait (somewhat more likely)
- Grack is scum (most likely)
The Kush4prez line was possibly scumbait, but honestly I don’t see how a town Grack was planning on taking that bait (if successful) and then convincing town of his plan post hoc. The inevitable arse biting his actions have reaped was entirely foreseeable. It’s difficult to see him as town, as his actions have caused little but discord.

Yamato lynching BC:
I’m not sure, but did I miss the case? I see BC as good, I don’t want him to be scum. I’m not sure why that makes us need to lynch him without further information, as so far he’s been valuable.
Unless I’m missing something, Mocsta was right to demand more reasoning for yamato’s platform based on BC.
That said, Mocsta’s reasoning about cost/benefit for lynching BC confused me. If it’s what I think it is, it’s suspiciously dull.

Sharrant:
I’m not entirely certain how this became a thing, I’ll look into it in my next read. There didn't seem enough information at the time to make reads, that it was mentioned so many times sort of makes me think of artificial intervention.

Kushmasta:
His propensity for unpredictable play makes him unsuitable for mayor. Everyone knows this, though I think some take it too far. Policy lynching him seems both poor play and in poor taste. Using him as a vehicle for lynchbait/trolling is also pretty shit. I think people attempting to bring Kush into the spotlight are hard pressed to provide a believable town motive.
Other than that, there are a lot of people that are sliding around on my scale, but also a lot of undercommitment in posts. If you have a read, please don’t just state your conclusion, as it only begs the question, and junks up the thread with people demanding that you elaborate. You may feel like you’re getting straight to the point #lessismore #quietconfidence but the end result is a less cohesive discussion, and a less effective town.


Ayo,
(1) What do you mean by "confirming yamato town"?
(2) Why do you find the LM mason incident unsuspicious, and why would finding it suspicious make a person scum?
(3) You said "Artanis and SS", but did not mention Artanis. What are your thoughts on him, if you forgot to put them in?
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 09:59 GMT
#1468
Thank you kush, I love you very dearly.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 11:03 GMT
#1493
On November 16 2013 19:38 Blazinghand wrote:
kush you couldn't even dream of getting on a level that was even close to a level that could even compare to my level


best post of the game
On November 16 2013 19:46 Blazinghand wrote:
My platform is the totally random rng lynch on vayne

people talk about rng; nobody has the manlitude to do it

i do it


RNG is poo, and you're a poopoohead for suggesting it.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 11:05 GMT
#1494
On November 16 2013 19:39 OOHCHILD wrote:
Mig
StorrZerg
hiro protagonist
austinmcc
Risen
yamato77
Alakaslam
BlazingHand

i can explain any of these. probably only a good idea to ask for those explanations if you think for some reason im scum though


Explain all of them please, that list is so vastly different to mine.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 11:18 GMT
#1498
On November 16 2013 20:07 Spaghetticus wrote:
@BH
I'm assuming that Skan's playful dismissal of RNG means that the common perception of RNG is that it is bad, which you'd know, being an old-timer.

If you don't have good reasons for RNG, I'm going to need evidence (or witnesses), of you having advocated RNG D1 in previous games, or I'm concluding you scum.


Yeah he RNG's as town and scum. He's a random fellow that Blazinghand.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 13:16 GMT
#1526
Why and why?
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 14:13 GMT
#1546
On November 16 2013 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If Pandain does not mason me he is scum.


Hey, don't you be all trying to steal mah mason. He and I will be united, for it is written in the stars.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 14:50 GMT
#1565
On November 16 2013 13:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 13:49 Mig wrote:
VE do you still plan on lynching into the same group of 4 you listed earlier or has it changed?


It's changed, and incomplete. Right now I'm somewhere around

[b]Skanjab, Pandain, Sharrant

And I'm torn on my last couple. I'm still not interested in lynching rayn or BC and I'm starting to come around on StorrZerg. His last round of posts, while not super enlightening, felt genuine enough.

I'm still filtering, and still rereading. Sup?


(1) Why am I, pandain, and sharrant scum? You have not given any reasoning at all for these reads.

(2) Also, could you please quote which posts from StorrZerg made you drop your scumread of him?

(3) Why do you no longer suspect Grack?
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 16:05 GMT
#1601
On November 17 2013 00:39 Koshi wrote:
Rayn

Let's start with the 6 names rayn just gave us as his scumreads.

Holyflare : rayn made a case on Holyflare nobody understands or nobody supported. But for some reason rayn believed that people supported his case when he was discussing with me earlier. This so so strange because rayn hates it when people don't listen and follow his cases. rayn is scum and doesn't give 2 shits about his case.

Koshi : Started with townread on me, gave me scumread after I made a case on ss and dropped it. However, rayn doesn't know that he is giving me a scumread for that himself it seems as I asked him about why I am scum earlier and he couldn't reply. It is very strange for rayn to not let the thread know why somebody is scum. Especially when he would think and be able to prove I am scum because he can point out why I am scum pretty easily.
(PS: I am not playing afraid, hesitant or restricted this game. Does somebody believe that? Maybe you should ask proof from rayn) (PSII: rayn saying I am scum while I am town makes me bitter)

Sharrant: rayn has had a scumread on Sharrant since Sharrant made the conclusion rayn is scum while it should have been town. Pretty sure that is the same reason why rayn thinks Holyflare is scum. It's just weak, and silly. But could come from town rayn this one. But it's just silly that nobody knows why Sharrant is a scumread from rayn unless you read that 1 post about him.

supersoft: For the same reason I think supersoft is scum (disruptive townplay). So yay for us. I still got a scumread after I made my case on ss though.

Pandain/Grack: Both these names shouldn't be on rayn his list. rayn is confident in reading Pandain so he should be sitting on null till Pandain posts. Grack is scum because he is useless? town rayn ignores useless people if he has 4 scumreads in which he strongly believes.
_________

What I want to point out to everybody that scum rayn is still a very active player, it will always look like he is figuring out the game, scum rayn does this because he needs to come in and be able to take control when it is needed. So while it looks like he is atm playing the game and figuring out alignments I want to show you that he isn't.
The people that played with a town rayn before know that when rayn is figuring somebody out and starts to have a very strong scumread on this player he makes sure everybody in the thread knows about this. He will repeat constantly why somebody is scum and will try to convince people that he is right in every way possible. therefore, it is really important that you guys note down that rayn hasn't tried to convince any of the possible Mayors why he is town and or push his reads upon them. The 1 towngame rayn played like this would be Aperture but I do not believe this is a repeat of that.


Lynch rayn. I am certain that he is the best bet for scum.


I support a rayn lynch.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 16:13 GMT
#1607
On November 17 2013 01:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
"In an arrested silence, we plead to our insane Gods, and their voices in our heads. Like the silence in the woods, to stop appeasing man, and his cruel culture of economic global domination. The balance remains between that which is sought by the few - weapons, profit - and that which is sought by the most....peace. Oh peace."


Answer my questions pls bby
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 16:22 GMT
#1614
On November 17 2013 01:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 01:14 yamato77 wrote:
The biggest gripe I have have with Austin is how he approached this:

On November 15 2013 12:50 austinmcc wrote:
On November 15 2013 12:43 yamato77 wrote:
On November 15 2013 12:40 austinmcc wrote:
On November 15 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote:
On November 15 2013 09:16 hiro protagonist wrote:
Thats cool VE. but this was my plan before I got a role. I think its a good one ^__^

Obviously a claim.
Ah. I don't read it that way, but I see where you at.

I will say that, assuming a non-infinite amount of rock-lifting power, Hiro is not a rock I'm interested in looking under today.

Are you going to run for mayor? If not, who would you elect?
I think so, but am not entirely sure atm. I generally think of myself as someone able to show that he's townie early, to assuage any doubts, and I'm usually decent at the game. I feel like I'd make a good mayor.

Right now, my focus is on getting a handle on a couple people in the game, solidifying D1 reads on them, and then moving towards a good lynch target.

If I were to elect someone RIGHT NOW, it would actually be hiropro I think. I'm not going to vote for a person on the basis of their scumread right now, it's way too early in the game for that. So I'd have to vote one of my strongest townreads, and just trust that I can identify a townie to whom I can give a vest and bonus vote, currently looking at Hiro or Holy I think?


Not only is hiro someone who has subsequently fallen off the map, but Austin went to AMAZING lengths to justify this super town read of hiro so early on. He's never really updated who he wants to be mayor at all. In fact, all Austin's done since this point in time is prod 2 players about things, Pandain and Onegu. He's responsive when questioned and appears pro-town, but Austin is capable of those things as mafia.

What I want to know is, who does he want for mayor now, and why? If he were mayor, who would he lynch? I don't see much along these lines in his filter. He mentions the mayor talk "doesn't do much" for him, yet when he was town in LIX, he ran for mayor and actively participated in the campaigning D1. This game, Austin's firmly in the group of players right below the super townie active ones which is where he usually is as mafia.

Perhaps I'm taking this a bit far, but he seems like mafia to me. I'd rather lynch BH over him, but he's second on the list at the moment.


Wait, rehash the reasoning what BH is doing right now is non-town-BH again for me plz.


Stop ignoring the questions. Stop not giving reasoning behind your reads. Stop being a scummy Jezebel.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 16:22 GMT
#1616
NEVERMIND YOU ARENT A JEZEBEL
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 16:34 GMT
#1639
On November 17 2013 01:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 23:50 Skanjab1s wrote:
On November 16 2013 13:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 16 2013 13:49 Mig wrote:
VE do you still plan on lynching into the same group of 4 you listed earlier or has it changed?


It's changed, and incomplete. Right now I'm somewhere around

[b]Skanjab, Pandain, Sharrant

And I'm torn on my last couple. I'm still not interested in lynching rayn or BC and I'm starting to come around on StorrZerg. His last round of posts, while not super enlightening, felt genuine enough.

I'm still filtering, and still rereading. Sup?


(1) Why am I, pandain, and sharrant scum? You have not given any reasoning at all for these reads.

(2) Also, could you please quote which posts from StorrZerg made you drop your scumread of him?

(3) Why do you no longer suspect Grack?


1) Your lack of interest in anything that happens in this game makes me think you're scum. Pandain is in a similar boat - it's like you guys are completely disinterested in trying to find scum at all. Sharrant is....probably not going to get lynched by me. I literally pulled that name off my previous list to make it look more impressive.

2) Maybe. Maybe not. I'll go take a look, but it was more of a feeling thing. Stay tuned.

3) I don't no longer suspect Grack. I actually forgot about Grack and the fact that he's done nothing noteworthy puts him up on my radar again. Thx bra.


Well, (1) is just wrong, as I am interested in this game.
Basically, you just want to policy lynch, why not say that?.
And if you are so content with lynching people who are disinterested, why is Sharrant not going up for lynch anymore? He has only made a single post since you were last here.

Finally, why do you just want to lynch inactive people? You are a self-professed mayoral god, having NEVER failed to lynch scum D1 as a mayor, why have you shown zero interest in trying to lynch a scum-read? A large portion of your mayoral campaign is how good you are at reading peeps, so why go after a group of people who haven't posted much instead of attempting to find scum in the people who have?

(2) Do it pls.

Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 16:37 GMT
#1643
Also, there are many other people who have shown disinterest in the game, what are the differences between myself and them?
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 16:41 GMT
#1650
On November 17 2013 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 01:37 Skanjab1s wrote:
Also, there are many other people who have shown disinterest in the game, what are the differences between myself and them?

You're here, trying to put on a show of "interest in the game". They, incidentally, are not. That, friend, is the difference.


So the difference is that I am interested in the game, and they are not playing it?

You want to lynch me because I am not interested, but it doesn't apply for them because they aren't interested?

WHAT.
Answer the rest of the questions yo.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 16:42 GMT
#1652
Seriously, everyone look at that fucking shitball of a post.

LOOK AT IT
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
November 16 2013 16:45 GMT
#1659
DBZ answer my questions you dodgy hoe.
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