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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 02:09 GMT
#5755
Yes Risen I just bussed and lead the lynch on the mafia doc. While also being a claimed 2shot vig with a mafia 2shot vig already dead. I obviously must be mafia. You really got this game figured out.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 03:46 GMT
#5768
I understand the idea that BC could have possibly just been trying to frame you Risen, it is not exactly rocket science. But considering I already thought there was a good possibility that you were mafia + if you actually are mafia BC will 100% of the time save you like he did he may not switch back 100% of the time if you are town + I really don't buy you disappearing for the last 40 min while BC made his final stand then coming back with 5 min left to shout about how you hoped BC was town. Seemed pretty fake.

Also, you are obviously good enough to understand pretty clearly that at this point there is no way I am not town, you are just trying to fuck the town up. As you were doing pretty much all of today.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 03:50 GMT
#5769
Town should still consider Coag/Thrawn as possibilities for tomorrows lynch. Along with looking through BC's posts. Don't get sidetracked with austin/va stuff tho.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 14:14 GMT
#5805
When I am dead tonight please for the love of god at least murder Risen. Risen is a smart guy who makes very convincing posts but when his reasoning is bullshit there is a problem. Saying that one of us is scum because we are giving our reads during the night just lol.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 14:32 GMT
#5806
Also if Risen flips mafia then you can pretty much write confirmed townie on SS/grack/Vayne/hf. So unlikely they would risk letting Risen die when BC was about to die and lower their kp.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 14:41 GMT
#5807
On November 23 2013 10:06 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 10:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
haha, GG boys!


you disappoint me.


Coag can you explain what you meant by this.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 14:58 GMT
#5808
After Risen 2nd strongest read is thrawn.

On November 17 2013 07:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

Hiro
He has 0 content to his posts, insanely inactive, and i know hes capable of doing more than he is. Its possible hes just busy, but ive seen the guy lurk as red before and skate by on minimum posting standards as such I am keeping him to red until he proves otherwise



BC makes a very weak post against Hiro but leaves himself room to backtrack for when hiro comes back.
Thrawn believed and supported BC's idiotic case against Grack.
Thrawn had a really weird relationship with BH where he didn't seem to even consider the possibility that BH could flip mafia and he had to be assassin/town.
Thrawns last minute dialogue/pretend questions for bc, zzzzzzzzzzz
Almost everyone got some suspicion/pressure yesterday, except for afk thrawn who nobody looked at at all until I actually brought it up. He would have been a super easy target for mafia to try and lynch if he were town, yet they chose not to do so.
Also, we have 7 masons BC/skan/SS/austin/pandain/LM/HF. HF/ss/austin/pandain I think are all likely town. And from a setup balance standpoint makes sense for there to be about 2 mafia masons. Thrawn fits that nicely.

Thrawn's excuse for inactivity

On November 23 2013 07:08 thrawn2112 wrote:


it's a combination of losing interest and special tactics



On November 23 2013 08:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
goddammit lol i'm not nearly scummy enough... plan failed


Explain these Thrawn. Because I don't buy for a second that you were actively posting in another TL mafia game for 2 days and you didn't even read this one and then you come back and try to make it out to be it was part of some plan?

Murder Thrawn. Murder Thrawn. Murder Thrawn.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 15:14 GMT
#5809
Third strongest read is Coag

Coag is tough because he is unfortunately always useless regardless of alignment. But there is a difference, usually mafia coag is useless and he will occasionally come in to shit up the thread. Town coag is useless but occasionally he will come in and provide something useful.

This game Coag actively lurks (pointed out by grack when Coag instantly jumped out to call him a liar and vote him), he shits up the thread hardcore by screaming about the SS/pandain logs.
He tries to cast doubt on me about my notes (BC did the same thing).
He then soft defends BC even though he claimed to think I am town.
He never said ANYTHING during the final few hours of the lynch, except to say Oats is a good vote slam lol. I mean come on Coag maybe useless but he usually isn't afraid to give his opinion. He even said he was around but decided to just lurk.

On November 23 2013 16:27 Coagulation wrote:
Man I just read up a ton on butt monkeys.


Care to share what you learned from all your reading?

I really don't expect much from Coag but this is even below my expectations.

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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 15:34 GMT
#5811
Do we have any mason logs featuring LM somewhere?
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 15:37 GMT
#5812
Austin please post the mason chats you had with LM from yesterday. It seems to have convinced you here is town. We need to see them.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 15:58 GMT
#5819
I am inclined to give SS the benefit of the doubt for at least awhile. The odds of ss and bc both being mafia seems too low. They would have had to have a fake conversation day1 and have SS claim to him in it. Seems like kind of a ridiculous thing to plan so far ahead with.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 16:24 GMT
#5823
I don't have a lot of time before I have to leave for the day but I will try to look into vayne before I go. My main thought about him is that I am really convinced that Risen is mafia. Risen's posts just have too much bs. And at the end of the yesterday look how incredibly hard Risen tried to save himself. He didn't give a fuck who he voted out he just wanted to survive. He tried to get multiple bandwagons started, he had no problem voting pandain/rayn he said bc was scummy yet threw out the idea of saving him. And then there is BC's play to save Risen right at the end.

So many things point to Risen as mafia. And if Risen is mafia then Vayne is 99% not mafia.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 16:24 GMT
#5824
Oh were you right Oats? Because last I checked you voted me and onegu
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 16:53 GMT
#5835
LM looks worse from those Austin logs. Wishy washy and soft defends BC/thrawn

LM can you post your logs with Yam.

mocsta had a couple weird posts about LM as well

On November 15 2013 22:57 Mocsta wrote:

He said early game he might not be able to devote full attention to this game.

Having said that: LoneMeows reasoning detailed above, I suppose is townie by virtue of: claims that are so far-fetched/stupid are usually from town (i.e. scum try to have claims that are *too* perfect)

In the end, I hope LoneMeow is active this game, I dont want to be put in that mislynch scenario again... *sigh*
So, if worse comes to worse with lone, then considering yam is a fairly strong town read for me currently. I would probably defer to his judgement based on the mason logs.



On November 15 2013 23:17 Mocsta wrote:

detailed precise claims are usually scum.
and poorly executred!, unbelievable ones are normally town.

regardless, lone is not a heavy contributor and this pressure is just going to alienate an already low content poster.

back off.






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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 16:59 GMT
#5837
Austin, Risen did absolutely NOTHING the entire game until he was close to being lynched. He faked that he didn't really care and oh well town is bad guess I get lynched. He then proceeds to fucking post 100 times in the last few hours. He tried to get a train started on Oats, he tried to get a train started on HF. He voted rayn and voted pandain at one point as well. I mean are you reading his reasoning for any of this? He proceeds to say I am possibly mafia because I am giving my reads during the night lol. He also said my shot on mattchew was scummy (so did BC).

Seriously go through Risen's filter and timeline and explain to me why he is town. He brought so much chaos to the thread around lynch yet tried to claim he was making things better (lol). He has multiple posts where he just attacks like 10 different people trying to see if anyone will agree with him and latch on so he can get a train started to save himself. His entire play around lynch looks like very good scum play.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 17:03 GMT
#5838
And look at Risen's comments about BC. He says yea BC is scummy did he ever vote him? No he was too focused on saving himself and not lynching scum, he even suggested a last minute vote switch to save him at the end of the day!
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 17:03 GMT
#5839
How anyone can think Risen is town is beyond me.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 17:15 GMT
#5844
If Risen Votes for both pandain and rayn and then BC moves over and lynches pandain it makes Risen look impossibly bad. They may have thought Risen could talk his way out of a lynch otherwise. Clearly Risen is very good at convincing others to believe him. Also, it is a mistake to just assume mafia will play totally optimally with their votes. Around lynch time with so much chaos and everybody switching back and forth mafia make mistakes also.

Anyway though just look at Risen's reasoning, look how little effort he put into the game until he was near lynch, look at how he focused so much on the ss/pandain thing when it was obvious what pandain was trying to do. I think Risen is smart enough he knew exactly what pandain was attempting.

I am not sure I have ever seen anyone try so hard to save themselves right before a lynch.Obviously townies should try to save themselves also, but when you put absolutely no effort into the game EXCEPT right around lynch then you put in an insane effort, that is a red flag. Especially if you aren't actually trying to lynch scum and you are just willing to vote for anyone that other people will agree with. Do you believe Risen actually thought Oats was mafia? Did he mention him at any point earlier in the game? He just knew SS had a case against him so fuck it try and get people to switch.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 17:40 GMT
#5848
Btw another thought SS is 99.99999% town please do not lynch him.

Look at the relationship BC tried to set up with SS during the lynch. BC starts posting his reads and shit right before the end of the day acting super townie. He tricks SS completely, SS is super sad and crying that BC is about to die. BC then half asks to be pardoned with like 2 min before the end of the day. They set it up perfectly if they were both mafia SS could pardon him and try to argue his way out of it. But SS didn't and then when BC switched his vote to pandain SS freaked out and immediately asked everyone if he should pardon rayn/pandain. SS also asked me in our QT if he should pardon them.

This combined with his log with bc day1 + his role claim. There is seriously almost no way SS is mafia. For SS to be mafia they would have had to plan so much shit out and SS would have to react perfectly on the fly.
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Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 23 2013 18:53 GMT
#5860
I have to leave for the rest of the day and mafia if they are not idiots will kill me tonight so mafia list.

Super Mafia
Risen
Thrawn
Coag

Seriously please kill these guys

The last mafia is tougher I would probably focus my search around LM/Onegu/Oats/slam but there should be a lot of new information by then.

Don't let Koshi mope and not post because he is in "mafia depression". Everyone makes mistakes Koshi you can only make up for it by helping the town. If he doesn't contribute at all and continues to use it as an excuse I would look into him.



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