Witchcraft Mini Mafia II - Page 31

On November 05 2013 05:01 Sn0_Man wrote:
OO's awful paranoid or something.

Though rayn was being oblivious and threatening votes for bad reasons. OO still overreacted pretty hard.

Thoughts?

On November 05 2013 04:56 ObviousOne wrote:
Rayn that's a pretty shit thing to get hung up about considering it has zero bearing on this game at all, only has anything at all to do with my ability to read WoS as scum.

On November 06 2013 03:31 EchelonTee wrote:

I have seen scum self-martyr (that nuke game? forgot the name, where gonzaw owned VE and BH with nukes), I think one of my scum-mates in that game was super fucking scummy but people said "oh mafia wouldn't completely give up" or something like that.

However I don't see a parallel with "don't give me towncred" and "kill me guys, I'm better dead". Those two things seem completely different in terms of scale.

I just don't get why he would give up though. He only had like 2 votes on him when he self-voted. It's just so weird.

.................................now that I think about it more, a scum Onegu that is legitimately in the hospital and has no time to vote; parking the vote on self seems like a decent way to avoid making up a case. but why wouldnt he just random vote?

On November 05 2013 08:51 thrawn2112 wrote:


This is almost exactly what I've been thinking. Don't all of these things hint of green and not red? How do you reconcile his general townie behavior with the things you think he's done that are scummy?

On November 06 2013 03:38 thrawn2112 wrote:


Yes, scum can martyr but don't town do it way more often? another reason I have to believe Onegu is because of the way he spilled all his reads right before his vote.

On November 06 2013 03:46 EchelonTee wrote:
I guess we're not killing sn0 today

still mulling over cephiro's post. I have it firmly ingrained in my mind that no-lynches are bad, still thinking about it though

On November 06 2013 03:51 Sn0_Man wrote:
PS of course we aren't lynching me I've
A) never rolled scum

On November 05 2013 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote:
##Vote: EchelonTee

There are a couple of huge problems in ET's posts and actions this game.
This is his reasoning for thrawn's rayn vote originally:

There is a very clear reasoning in thrawn's post yet ET "fails to see it". It is a pressure vote and anyone who pays even a little attention should know it, at least when thrawn unvotes me immediately when i start contributing. He also brings up this quote from Desert:

There are two problems with the bolded part.
(1) The post in question is from day 3. There are over 100 pages of content in that game at that point. Thrawn is scum because he fails to make analysis like in Desert 7 irl-days into the game compared to this game's 24 hours? Does that sound a legit reason? I can tell you it is a ridiculous reason.
(2) In the end of the bolded part EchelonTee clearly implies he in fact knew why thrawn voted for me, something he brought up in the very same post of his. So the earlier reason for thrawn being scum for voting me "with no real reasoning" is a lie and the wording he uses earlier is designed to make thrawn look worse than it is. It is scum motivated act, i use it a lot when i am scum - specific wording that makes the target look much worse than they actually are and what is said can be interpreted in many ways so i already have an out in the first place. There is absolutely no reason to do that as town.

When he is being questioned more about his reasoning behind thrawn's vote on me he says this:

I can tell you this is a straight out lie. I know he has been in thrawn's filter in Desert game, but i can also tell you he has done absolutely nothing in that filter, "skimmed" is a very strong word. Because of the following:
- If you enter thrawn's filter from Desert mini mafia, this is the first post in his filter. I will make it so big everyone understands:

If you go into someone's filter and miss what the first post there says there is no way you have done anything at all in that filter. If you are unable to pay that little attention i do not believe you have done anything there.

thrawn smurfed in that game and forgot his pasword on somewhere during N2 or D3. If EchelonTee had read the first post in thrawn's filter, he would know he actually needs to read this filter instead:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&user=Tutankoopa
Now if you actually skim through this filter you will notice that that probably 40% of thrawn's posts are about me. There is a huge massive interaction with me and thrawn during the game. I don't even know what ET means with saying "If I missed some huge, obvious interaction that shows that you must be town and rayn believes so.." because noone is talking thrawn being town here, ET is acting like someone needs to prove thrawn is town, otherwise he is scum which is not how this game works. It is ET's job to prove someone is scum, which he is flipping upside down here.

This is what EchelonTee says about my case on gumshoe:

This is exactly why i am arguing for gumshoe being scum in my case. The first post ET quotes is a fake case on WoS, therefore it is not a contribution as i have pointed out. Therefore it does not matter if it's effort because in any case regardless of gumshoe's affiliation it is faked effort as i have already pointed out. The second post also does not contribute anything. I already quoted what that post in fact says and nobody has proven me wrong. ET does not prove me wrong, he just says those posts contribute, while i am asking him especially how they do contribute. This is not an answer to my question, this is misrepresenting my argument.

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TLRD;
(1) EchelonTee's reasoning for thrawn being scum changes half-way through D1 for some parts of his argument. When townies do this they add new content to their case. EchelonTee, instead of doing this, changes his reasoning for old content to fit his case better. There is no town motivation for doing so.
(2) EchelonTee does "skim through player's filter from another game" without actually even skimming through it. There is no town motivation to go into other player's filter from another game and then do nothing there.
[u](3) EchelonTee when being called out for his case says "prove to me he is town". This is not how the game works and everyone should know this. This is a justification to sit on his vote when he can't actually prove (as it seems) thrawn is scum because nobody can possibly prove thrawn is town at this stage of the game.
(4) EchelonTee is not paying attention and making up stuff on the fly. This has been proven by many things. His filter skim, his change of reasoning, his answer to my gumshoe case, him asking people's opinions on his case on thrawn and when people give them he misses it.

None of those things i can see a townie doing in any situation.