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E00e yesterday didn't consider lynching tehpoofter at all really.
only wantd to vote OWB or vonthin
Does not agree about johhny's case abouse vanes
Thinks cake is scummy
Responds to johhny
Possible defense of poofter
Says johhny and july are off because they are inconsistent
Responds to Vanesco's vote on himself
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=14#265
Says tehpoofter had the most honest accusation against himself
Would lynch odin
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=20#394
Does not switch his vote to july at all stays on odin.
skipping a head to day2 vote
On November 04 2013 08:31 E00e wrote:
I think lynching poofter is better than lynching no one but I would prefer onlywonderboy. I will check this thread for the next 30 minutes.
##Vote: onlywonderboy
This sticks out a bit because it was kinda tight on getting the required votes to get tehpoofter out. (4 votes on tehpoofter at the time)
It is possible he put the vote up on OWB when tehpoofter had 3 votes and OWB had 2 My vote HAD been on OWB. His vote would have Tied OWB with tehpoofter. Other wise E00e posted knowing tehpoofter had 4 votes this then closes the gap and then I moved off to tehpoofter. Why would I change my vote at this time when i could have kept it on OWB?
the vote for OWB that E00e made looks pretty bad at that point.
I would also like to point out that E00e has never voted and switched.
I would consider people switching votes to be a town move, specially in the majority lynch system. Where 1 mafia voting some place else or even 1 town, could cause a no lynch.
So in the end i can't say i feel that strongly for him as town.
I find his vote to OWB very sketchy.
I find his ability to play with town poor, and i find his interest in the game poor as well.
I would lynch E00e
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vonthin i'd like to hear your thoughts on why storr isn't scum in greater detail. you've dropped bits and pieces along the way but i'd like to see it in one post, if possible.
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your recent posting makes me feel like you're a pair with him
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On November 05 2013 15:59 Balla24 wrote:
That might have flown in my first 2 games if I was town, but I know how easy of a defense that is for mafia. Many of my teammates used it to great success in those games. Just because you're active and trying doesn't mean anything to me.
'it should, your willing to do a trio lynch why lynch the active person who will tell you more when/if you lynch him latter and I WILL FLIP TOWN
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I think the 3 i would consider lynching today
OWB, E00e, Vonthin
i have posted my case against the first 2
and as for Vonthin, ill post my thoughts on him. But the deal is balla, if you think im buddy with him, then ill lynch him idk what that proves to you if he flips sucm or town. I dont' know how i could Vote OWB right now and not look buddy buddy with Vontin
Unless something drastic changes so we can lynch nyx idk.
He may just be dumb town too focused on tunneling to do anything else in this game. And maybe @balla that is why you are more willing to push me first because he has thrown a vote, and you will only need 3 more to vote me then. Personally i think that is a poor excuses.
also pointing out that nyxnyxnyx has come to the conclusion that i have to be paired with vonthin as well HMMMM
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Cake your coming back up again, part of that is because you have been looking for scum elsewhere.
Also your vote onto tehpoofter was the 3rd vote, it made tehpoofter pass OWB that gives you good credit imo
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Sure other people have pinged you as suspicious Storr, but until the case on E00e you've only pushed the people who seriously tried to push you.
Balla can you summarize your discussion with Jonny which concluded that owb couldn't be scum with Vonthin or Storr? I'm having a bit of trouble finding it. Pointing me at the page where it starts getting on that topic would help too. I wanna talk about Storr's case on E00e right now.
On E00e:
Thanks Storr for finally showing some initiative in scumhunting. Way too late, but I'll consider E00e.
So Storr's case starts with a summary of some of the points E00e makes in his first post. I have no idea why this is here, it's not analyzed and the E00e's opinions there are reasonable. Jonny's case on Van was crap and suspicion on me was reasonable.
...is this first half of the post part even a case? This stuff doesn't look suspicious on E00e at all. I'll assume, Storr, that you're just summarizing his action for convenience and move on. What a waste of time.
Moving on to his day 2 vote.
I guess he wanted to try and switch the lynch to owb over poofter, I don't like that since it divides town. Looks sketchy, yeah.
Overall: I dislike the inactivity and the vote. Otherwise I actually like the intent in his posts. He scumhunts when he can, and his posts tend to be logical. Worthy of suspicion, not worth a lynch. Sure he's not that useful, but it's not a good enough reason to use a lynch imo when we have more scummy suspects. (Storr, owb, vonthin, maybe even odin)
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regarding also why i would vote Vonthin i found his votes in particular BOTH day 1 and day 2 to be fishy.
day 1 he was the 6th person to vote onto July. At that point it was pretty clear that july was going to be the vote that day, no one else had enough votes and E00e who he was on only had 2 or 3 at most.
day 2
In particular He was the 7th vote, he was not needed to vote tehpoofter off. and the 6th vote was OBZY (our IC) So imo no credit should be given to him at all for the tehpoofter vote. previously his vote was on OWB
In the end, i personally feel a little more town on OWB cause of Voniths voting pattern on day 2. (
also the end of day day 2 vote the very end.
End of the day 2 vote i was expressing concern that tehpoofter would be mod killed. I was willing to push a different vote in that case so we could get another lynch. Once tehpoofter came back i saw no reason to switch votes. its possible Vonthin had the same mindset for this, he did express concern over the mod kill as well. And i think he would express concern if tehpoofter was really away regardless of alignment. So the very end of him switching off, i don't read into that as a town, or a mafia play.
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On November 05 2013 16:30 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
your recent posting makes me feel like you're a pair with him
This is a new and original thought from you. I'm starting to think you might be who is scum with OWB.
Main reason I think Storr is town is that I think OWB is def town and has a lot higher chance of being scum than Storr. A storr/OWB being scum partners just seems very unlikely to me since Storr has been one of the most vocal about him being scum after me. I also don't see why Storr would kill Jonny as it makes him look a lot worse, if he was scum I think there wouldve been better choices to kill besides Jonny last night. Besides these 2 points he I would think he would be somewhat suspicious, would be 50/50ish on him being mafia/town but after seeing how he has interacted with OWB I think he is town. I don't think he tried to defend Poofter in anyway and always brought up valid points about him before and while the Poofter is scum train was going.
Also If me and Storr were mafia, why would I be trying to defend him this much? Mafia should help defend each other by trying to prove that they are town but they should not do it in a way that's obvious and would link the two of them together which will lead to both of their deaths and make mafia lose.
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On November 05 2013 16:55 cakemanofdoom wrote:
Sure other people have pinged you as suspicious Storr, but until the case on E00e you've only pushed the people who seriously tried to push you.
Balla can you summarize your discussion with Jonny which concluded that owb couldn't be scum with Vonthin or Storr? I'm having a bit of trouble finding it. Pointing me at the page where it starts getting on that topic would help too. I wanna talk about Storr's case on E00e right now.
On E00e:
Thanks Storr for finally showing some initiative in scumhunting. Way too late, but I'll consider E00e.
So Storr's case starts with a summary of some of the points E00e makes in his first post. I have no idea why this is here, it's not analyzed and the E00e's opinions there are reasonable. Jonny's case on Van was crap and suspicion on me was reasonable.
...is this first half of the post part even a case? This stuff doesn't look suspicious on E00e at all. I'll assume, Storr, that you're just summarizing his action for convenience and move on. What a waste of time.
Moving on to his day 2 vote.
I guess he wanted to try and switch the lynch to owb over poofter, I don't like that since it divides town. Looks sketchy, yeah.
Overall: I dislike the inactivity and the vote. Otherwise I actually like the intent in his posts. He scumhunts when he can, and his posts tend to be logical. Worthy of suspicion, not worth a lynch. Sure he's not that useful, but it's not a good enough reason to use a lynch imo when we have more scummy suspects. (Storr, owb, vonthin, maybe even odin)
I have been scum hunting, so stop saying i haven't
Nearly every single person has pressured to lynch me, save for a handful. So stop bringing up that i only have attacked people who attack me
I'm getting really fucking sick of you saying that shit
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@Vonthin regarding nyxnyxnyx
This is a new and original thought from you. I'm starting to think you might be who is scum with OWB.
this irony?
Because it is not original, balla all ready pointed it out...
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@Cake would you mind backing up these claims, or at least providing some context
Otherwise I actually like the intent in his posts. He scumhunts when he can, and his posts tend to be logical.
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There's a difference between mentioning you as suspicious and going all out with cases and following up on them, Storr. Oh, and your cases tended to revolve around how you didn't like the cases on you. There was plenty of other posts not involving you that you could have found scummy, but you didn't.
Also, the scumhunting you've done is recent and came only after a lot of prodding. There's a limit to the props I can give you for finally caving under pressure.
-Now on to quoting E00e's posts.
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On November 05 2013 17:01 StorrZerg wrote:@Vonthin regarding nyxnyxnyx Show nested quote +This is a new and original thought from you. I'm starting to think you might be who is scum with OWB. this irony? Because it is not original, balla all ready pointed it out...
Balla said nothing about this post?
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If you call odin scummy, odin defends NYXNYXNYX
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=52#1034
Also his day 2 preferred lynch.
On November 04 2013 06:58 OdinOfPergo wrote:
My prefered day 1 lynch is probably looking Vonthin or Storr. I feel about the same on both of them and Storr making a quest against Nyx really makes me dislike him even more. If he stores getting votes I'm fine with changing over to it.
As well as odins push onto Jonny
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=48#945
Also Odins thoughts on the lurkers (doesn't list tehpoofter)
On November 04 2013 06:57 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I'm agains't lynching lurkers. Out of any of the lurkers if we have to lynch one I'd go for Poofter. Unless I really miss my mark Nyx is town. I think E00 looks ok for what he has said, and I'm pretty null on OWB atm.
It is quite possible the mafia trio being odin nyx tehpoofter
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On November 05 2013 17:09 Vonthin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2013 17:01 StorrZerg wrote:@Vonthin regarding nyxnyxnyx This is a new and original thought from you. I'm starting to think you might be who is scum with OWB. this irony? Because it is not original, balla all ready pointed it out... Balla said nothing about this post?
Ball all ready said we could be scummy together Hence nyxnyxnyx does not have an original thought
is it a "new thought" from him sure. But it is hardly original
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On October 31 2013 06:17 E00e wrote:
Leaving my reasons off the table do you agree with me or not? Why I thought they where inconsistent in my mind obvious. Jonny already explicitly said it about july: They state they only want to make on point posts but dont do it.
and I already wrote about Jonny: They said we should form a plan to hunt Mafia but then dont form one, make a strange remark about dismissing Storr and a forced accusation.
You should not jump to the conclusion that Im not willing to talk (even though it was correct at that time) when I dont respond immediatly. I dont live in this thread.
Explains why he's suspicious of Jonny and July. I don't think I've actually heard the one about Jonny's plan inconsistency from someone else, and it's decent reason to suspect.
On October 31 2013 21:04 E00e wrote:
If only my opinion mattered I would lynch Odin now. A lot of their posts seem so much over the top and look like how I imagine someone very nervous in a real conversation. Also I dont like some of their posts that just distract.
This is not a super strong mafia read and I know we have to get a majority and I will most likely be able to be reading the thread near the deadline
Btw I cant help but read Odin's post where every new sentence is a new line like poem and it makes them sound funny in my head.
Clearly states his feeling on Odin, and eventually backs it up with a vote. Odin being chaotic/distracting is a reasonable opinion, and while the "nervous" thing is more of an instinctive feeling it's one that I can imagine him having. Plus, he's considering scum motivation: Odin could have been scum lashing out due to nerves cuz town wouldn't have been nervous in Odin's position.
On November 01 2013 18:19 E00e wrote:
Odin, I said I would vote on you before Jonny made his accusation. I then voted not because of Jonny but because of my own reasons when Balla asked me to. My reasons for your were not a simple misunderstanding. I left my vote on you because my opinion did not change and it enabled the possibility to lynch you.
If July was missing one vote and no one else was near being lynched I would have changed my vote to them.
I tried to convince people by refuting the two accusations on me. Remaining was a bad feeling about me which I did not believe I could change that day, but the next day.
More on that Odin thing: he sticks to his scumread. He admits when he's suspicious, instead of being overdefensive about it.
On November 02 2013 02:26 E00e wrote:
I dont think Jonny is mafia. He makes some bad arguments and takes part in pointless discussions but his anger seems genuine and he puts out information.
I feel like Mafia would have pushed for me and July. One of the people who did that is Vonthin. I still dont like their accusation one me and it looks like they tested out who could be lynched the most easily out of July,Odin,e00E.
I like most of his opinions here even if he doesn't justify them here. Mafia pushing him is reasonable, especially considering how nyx and owb voted him at virtually the same time; that was sketchy. He examines Vonthin's actions and finds potential scum motivation for it.
On November 03 2013 05:42 E00e wrote:
Cakeman's last 12 posts or so seem strange to me because I feel like there is a conclusion missing. There are a lot of questions and responding posts to other people but the only pattern I see is pushing Storr and nothing is really done with the information cake receives.
I'm guessing he know that mafia like to fake contributions: looking like they're helping, without making solid conclusions that can hurt them later. He's seeing that pattern and calls it out, and I'm pretty sure he was the only one to do so here.
Of course, the lack of reasoning a lot of the time and general inactivity make him look worse, but I'm usually liking what I see.
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ok fair enough and thank you for that
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Cake, lets say you had to defend me. What would you say? How would you prevent me from getting lynched
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Hmm. If I knew you were town for sure I'd probably focus down owb's scumminess and try to lynch him first, then use his scumflip to try and clear you. If he flipped town I'd probably give up on you and try to make the best of your townflip >.>
of course, this is based on Balla's claim that he and Jonny worked out that you and owb can't be scumbuddies. I haven't actually gotten around to finding that conversation yet, but I can't imagine him getting away with blatantly lying about something verifiable like that.
Anyways I gotta sleep. Post any questions you want, promise I'll get around to them if reasonably possible.
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