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Balla24
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On November 05 2013 11:13 Balla24 wrote: No, because you were agreeing with me on the fact that it looked like OWB seemed like he scum expecting a blue flip from Jonny. can you fully say what you thought? you basically said, if you think this then you can't think that... i don't understand that statement and i would like you to "spell it out" | ||
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cakemanofdoom
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Balla24
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On November 05 2013 11:18 StorrZerg wrote: can you fully say what you thought? you basically said, if you think this then you can't think that... i don't understand that statement and i would like you to "spell it out" Look, it's simple: Here are the 2 hypotheses: 1. Jonnylaw was not an attempted blue snipe. 2. OWB was surprised that jonnylaw didn't flip blue right after the lynch, which makes him seem like a scum player who was attempting to blue snipe. They contradict each other, so it's one or the other. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On November 05 2013 11:39 cakemanofdoom wrote: Balla can you explain the owb/odin pairing? I'm not sure I understood the arguments. Sure. I have 2 reasons for thinking this is a possible pairing. This is no longer my highest pairing as it was when I posted it. First, why Odin has a relationship with poofter: Jonny pointed out to me that Odin had quite a lot of votes when I switched to him, he had something like 3-5 votes, while July had less. Shortly after I switched, I noticed poofter switched to July off of E00. Why did he not go onto odin, who had more votes? Makes me suspicious of Odin/poofter combo. Second: owb does not mention Odin once throughout his entire filter, besides two points where he is talking about what other people said in regards to odin. No opinions of his own. I think it is very likely if odin or owb is scum, then they are a team together. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
OWB, Storr and Vonthin Either kill will give us information on the other. Jonny and I established that OWB cannot be a scumpair with either Storr or Vonthin, which makes him less likely to be mafia IMO, however killing him yields information about the other two if he does not flip scum. Vonthin cannot be a scumteam with OWB, but he could easily be paired with Storr or someone else. As we talked about during nightphase and end of d2, Storr/Vonthin/Poofter looks very good. Storr cannot be a scumteam with OWB. Storr was VERY disruptive/anti-town during nightphase IMO, which would make him a priority lynch if we weren't trying to find teams. There are other teams possible, Jonny shared some and I shared some. We need to decide which person is the most likely to flip scum out of all the teams, and if he can give us good information if they end up flipping town.. | ||
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Balla24
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
Oh, and I disagree with the fact voting onto July rather than Odin was weird. Now that I look again, his vote came after July's statement explaining his crap reasons for voting poofter. Plus, Balla and Obzy had just switched onto Odin. I think it's very possible that poofter was sheeping the super-towny person as well as the confirmed town, or he was simply expecting the tide to turn based on that. ...yeah sorry, I'm not really convinced there's much reason to suspect Odin. His posts seem pretty good, especially after he stopped being so drunk/stressed. For a while I've kinda just assumed him town to focus on other people. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
All I'm saying is: Odin had 4 votes July had 2 (you and StorrZerg) Poofter votes July instead of Odin. Could mean something could not. I choose to believe it could mean something until proven otherwise. I'm not going to make it a priority to prove but i'm not ruling it out either. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
As a 1st time scum player, I was making it my duty to NOT mention my teammates names ever... like if they made a case on something I would just ignore it and indirectly address it... it was the best way to avoid getting paired. As you get more experienced the best way is to put red-herrings in your play (call your teammate scum, etc). | ||
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cakemanofdoom
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cakemanofdoom
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
On November 05 2013 06:01 JonnyLaw wrote: In order storr > odin > vonthin > owb > E00e > nyx for lynch candidates as of this moment. I don't see why Storr would kill Jonny since he was Jonnys main scum read and would put him even more in the spotlight to get himself lynched. I thought Jonny was somewhat suspicious after Van getting lynched but I gave up on him being scum cause I thought he was 2 smart of a guy to kill Van if he was scum since it would just make him worse. I think the remaining two mafia killed Jonny for two reasons. 1. It would make Storr look bad so he would get lynched 2. Jonny was right about his other scum reads. I know I am town and I already listed why I think Storr isn't mafia so that leaves OWB/Nyx/E00e/Odin. I think OWB is def mafia and leaning towards Odin for his partner, Nyx could be his partner but I see Odin more likely. Do not have a strong read on E00e. I also do not think Cake/Balla would be working with him either. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
When I read his filter it just screams to me text book mafia blending in. Day 1 he did not do a lot. Votes for E00e and doesn't give any solid reasons why other than other people saw him as scum and that he has a bad feeling about him. Leaves the vote on him and is gone for the rest of the day. He also doesn't talk about Poofter at all but calls out Cake for being scum when he was the main person calling out Poofter. Day 2 he doesn't do much besides call me out for lurking and sheeping which he has been doing himself. When asked for other reads he said he was just tunneling on me all day and had nothing else which looks bad since you should always have thoughts on other people if you are town since there are multiple mafia. Doesn't talk about Poofter again and when asked for an opinion he says his vote doesn't matter cause everyone already had their minds made up on him, another text book mafia play where you don't take a stance on something. 2 minutes before the day 2 deadline happened, Poofter realized he wasn't going to be able to defend himself anymore so he made an attempt to try to throw us off the case for the other 2 mafia remaining. He said look at the people who are saving OWB. With that he wanted us to think OWB could be town since he called him scum and wanted us to think the people who didn't vote for him scummy. He then says when he flips town look at Cake/Jonny/OWB, I think this was another statement to confuse us to not thinking OWB is scum because he is saying he is suspicious again. As for OWB's more recent posts at the end of night 2 and start of day 3 he is still tunneling me and not giving reads on other people. He says I haven't tried to push other plays which just isn't true, I tried to push Jonny and Storr at one point in day 2 but after they gave me good responses to my accusations I didn't think they were scum anymore. Main reason why I didn't push for Poofter even though I thought he was scummy all game and said I would vote for him cause I thought OWB was a better lynch at the time since Poofter didn't post anything recently and there was a chance of a modkill which wouldve meant a wasted lynch. Once Poofter tried to defend himself and failed, I revoted for him right away. I also do not like his day posts just now about the blues. His first post seemed like he was surprised that Jonny didn't flip blue like he was blue sniping. He then made a post saying he wondered who the blue players were, I just don't see the reason for this post unless you were scum and were hoping for someone to admit they were blue. Then makes another post saying he hopes blues make some sort of contribution to the game soon. I just don't see a reason for a blue to come out and say hey I am a cop, unless they are a cop who got 2 reads back that are positive for scum or if they were about to get lynched.I see this as another post as hoping a blue will come out so he will have an easy night kill. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
After the drunk posts he started to post just like he did last game. This isn't saying much cause it would be an ok tactic to post like you were town but none of his posts then didn't seem that scummy to me at the time he started posting normally. Also what if the drunk/stress posts were just an easy excuse to pardon his disruption to the game? Looking at his reads and votes and reasoning for them seem a little off to me. He voted for July very late, his reason was that he just doesn't like his posts and will post his reasons why after the deadline but I don't think he did make that post so it sorta looks like he was just trying to fit in with the common July vote since he was already set to be lynched. His first vote on day 2 was on Jonny, saying he made disruptive posts and tried to deflect. While Jonny was being somewhat disruptive he was still bringing up good points and reads at the time imo, to me his post just seemed his was sorta mad at him for arguing with him d1 and calling him out being scum and almost getting him killed. His next vote seems even more suspicious to me and not cause it was on me. Before he voted for me he made a post saying that he did not like my post where I said Jonny was town and OWB was scum. He says I am trying to deflect off Jonny and make a train on OWB. His reasons for not liking OWB is scum is that he is not around to defend himself and that I hesitated since I didn't put my vote in the post where I called OWB out and only voted for him when Cake asked if I thought he was scum. I honestly forgot to vote in that post, also don't see how that makes my case for OWB any weaker. Seems to me he was trying to deflect off of OWB and keep the Jonny is scum discussion going. Then proceeds to unvote Jonny and vote for me saying he doesn't like my posts. Why unvote for Jonny and then vote for me if he only thought I was deflecting off of Jonny and saying he was town? He never gave a reason why he unvoted Jonny, his last before before he unvoted him was saying he liked him as a Day 2 lynch. Later on he unvotes me and Votes for poofter(4th vote on Poofter). Says he still doesn't like my posts but can chalk it up to bad town play. Still doesn't say why he doesn't like me besides that I thought I was deflecting off of Jonny and onto OWB. His reason to vote for poofter is that we had to lynch someone today and that he looks best out of the lurkers. Never actually says why he thinks Poofter looks bad other than that he is a lurker. I think at that point since it was a long long time since Poofter posted anything and everyone was onto him and it was gonna be impossible for him to defend himself with so little time left he just threw him under the bus to make himself look better. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
OWB: Does not mention Odin at all. Say he didn't like the case on Poofter early on in Day 1 but doesn't really say anything besides that about Poofter. Poofter: Does not say anything about OWB till the very end of Day 2. He votes for him just to vote for someone. Then says look into the people who are saving OWB. Then says to investigate him with some other people. He said the last two points 2 minutes before he got lynched, think he was saying he was scum to throw us off with reverse psychology since he would end up flipping scum. As for his interactions with Odin he says in Day 1 that he agrees with Jonny that he shouldn't ave signed up if he didn't have the time. Then says he wants to see more out of him when he ends up posting more. Other than that he doesn't mention him once. Balla also pointed out that when Odin had 4 votes and July had two he switched off his vote from e00e he votes for July and not Odin Odin: He mentions OWB a couple times. First time he mentions him was after Obzy voted for him. He said "OWB has been missing for a long time, but considering my own personal availability issues, I'm not really in a position to say that." Next time he says he doesn't like me cause I said Jonny was town and that I was deflecting onto OWB and trying to start a train on him. Then in his posts about lurkers he says he has a null opinion. As for Odins interactions with Poofter when someone asks him very early in Day 1 his thoughts on him is that he is almost contentless and in that little content he posts a case on Cake. Then says the content part bothers him a little but is ok with the Cake case since he also doesn't like Cake. Next time he mentions him is that he looks the worse out of the lurkers, then he votes for him and once again says he looks worst out of all the lurkers. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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cakemanofdoom
336 Posts
Nyx... I keep telling you, please explain yourself when you do stuff. You simply don't have credibility normally. Also, I'd like if you address previous points. | ||
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
On November 05 2013 14:10 cakemanofdoom wrote: Okay first thing Vonthin: please break up your paragraphs more. Actually, if you're here, can you reformat your paragraphs (split your larger paragraphs in your cases on owb/odin into 2-4 smaller ones each) before I read them? I get a bit of a headache trying to read them atm. Nyx... I keep telling you, please explain yourself when you do stuff. You simply don't have credibility normally. Also, I'd like if you address previous points. Can't reformat posts since you can't edit, and not gonna repost em since it will be spam. Will try to keep it in mind in the future to split paragraphs more, at first all that was in a giant post but then I realize that would be a pain to read so I split em up into different posts and didn't think about the paragraphs much | ||
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cakemanofdoom
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