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The inactivity was NOT my accusation; as I'd later pointed out my complaint was TOO MUCH activity without some scumhunting to go with it. Excessive barely-useful and easy activity is the scum move of blending in. And then Storr later lashed out at town again for accusing him of inactivity, but that time he just said he wasn't inactive instead of implying that he had good reasons for inactivity. Inconsistent responses while misrespresenting of an argument against him? Scum trying to look better at all costs.
your fault you did not make yourself clear enough to me then.
i see a bunch of shit trying to be smeared on myself, and i defended. your fault if you don't make your points clear enough
As far as, too much activity with out "scum hunting" again read my hogwarts game and my qt.
and i have all ready explained i post when i can often, even if im not always scum hunting in every post. again I obviously play the game differently than you, and its quiet obvious to me your reading me wrong.
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Then Storr dismisses my attacks as saying that he was just too slow to come up with reads. --That's bad! Considering that he was definitely active early on, being so slow to come up with reads, and only on major attackers or people he was specifically asked about, seems like he was avoiding having to come up with opinions.
yeah lets just not talk about how half the town did nothing the first 24 hours of day 2, while i at least attempted to try. and I did get reads in.
I dismiss your attack, because idc that it took me longer to come up with reads. I did it my way. The fact is, I had my reads out with plenty of time to interact with town.
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Plus, his comment about "right now" is misdirection: yes, he had begun to post more productively. That does not in any way erase his scumminess from earlier, which is what he seemed to be trying to make us think by brushing past his terrible start (and it's a bit inaccurate to just call it a start, Storr's unhelpfulness lasted pretty long)
You are picking at stuff that i had no control over in RL. Stop it. I've helped i've done my duty to scum hunt and try to push the town in the right direction. the fact that i have a lot of "other posts that have nothing to do with scum hunting" is bad reasoning that i have to be mafia
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Oh, also: there's a difference between people addressing him and him being asked about specific people. He had to be asked about specific people to give reads on them (fairly inconclusive ones at that, iirc). He seemed to imply at one point that he could only address people who had addressed him first. I'll give him that, but it doesn't change the fact that he could and should have formed opinions on people who hadn't been brought to his attention with specific questions or with a case on him.
Day 1, i did not have an opinion on every single person on that day. I had people i would be ok with lynching and that was about it.
day 2 i had opinions on every single person. As well as pushing my preferred 2 lynches.
Again i have been defending myself pretty heavily, which implies that i have been answering questions that are brought up to me A LOT. This makes it pretty hard to seemingly "form magical opinions about people before they question myself"
shit started out, on day 1, when i said i would put my read out on cake, and that i thought he wasn't a good lynch. It took a long time for me to find the time, and not be busy to post it. I guess i have learned my lesson, i should stop checking the thread from my phone, or in between other games and responding to posts then. I should be pretty inactive and just post simple opinions that i can sheep off someone else and go back to lurking since that apparently is an acceptable way to play.
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This was Jonny's last case on Storr. You can wonder what scum were doing killing Jonny all you want, but townie logic is townie logic and should be seriously considered if the logic itself is sound. And I like at least some of Jonny's logic here; that weak pressure on poofter does look a bit suspicious. Also, Storr's response only mentions the vig comment, looking like Storr just wanted to discredit the case by attacking the weaker points.
SO based on Jonny's case against me. We should also look into Vanes case on Jonny. So we should have lynched Jonny day 2... Yeah that makes perfect sense why Storr would be a good lynch day 3, because Jonny had a case on Storr.
O not to mention Vanes had a case against you Cake
iirc i was one of the earlier people to point out jonny as town, even when he was going nuts. I told him to calm down and focus. Guess what he did that and he helped lynch a mafia. I do put out a lot of speculation, i know. I have stated my point on that and you can take it for what you want.
as for weak pressure on poofter, i have all ready explained that. He was not nearly as inactive as the other 2 i pressured, he responded to a question i gave. I choose to stick with nyxnyxnyx and owb as my prefered lynches. When i could not push my preferred lynches, I did what i thought was best to help town. Kill poofter. When poofter seemed like he could be mod killed, i pushed for a reconsideration on OWB. when poofter came back, his fate was sealed, no reason to lynch OWB over poofter since poofter didn't do anything drastic.
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And then as soon as Jonny dies Storr comes out talking about how scum could have been framing him. We can't know exactly what mafia was thinking. But if the result is that Storr's trying to use the death to get suspicion off himself, it makes me think that's what the kill was intended for.
No i brought this shit up in the night. When Jonny was martyring himself off, admitting he was going to die and that i was the first lynch. I pointed it out it was bad, and he agreed it was wrong that he went that way.
Again this kill lines up with the n1 kill, vanes setting up jonny and cake.
and they get 2 birds with 1 stone, they kill someone who successfully hunted scum, and put a lot of doubt on an innocent townie,
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Ok i finished with that, Lets go for round 6 cake my body is ready
you too balla lets roll
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btw i need to work on odin next
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laughing cause the questions imo should be reversed
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On November 06 2013 13:02 Balla24 wrote:
I was rolling around cake/owb, storr/owb seems a bit outrageous but not impossible...
lynch owb then easy peasy
granted your rolling around plenty of other scum pairs too
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All right lets look at odin
On October 31 2013 11:34 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Ok holy crap.
Actually you know what,
I'm not sorry.
I work really freaking hard to support my lifestyle. If anyone wants to call me out for it...
Well let's dance baby.
Anyway, I need to re-read this thread again but on first glance I don't like
Cake, July, or Jonny at all.
Their post offer little content or crumby arguments.
I need to persue these leads obv since I haven't been here.
But give me like an hour. Maby two.
I will type up an explanation for my reads.
first feeling he has, doesnt like 2 towns, possible a 3rd (cake) Posts a lot defending himself with out actually giving reasons why for his reads. He finally gets around to reads on Cake, Jonny, july, nyx
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=17#322
I liked his call out on jonny, i agree with his case against cake, his july case is kinda null imo. He defends nyx based on nyx play last game, but also inquires that nyx explain himself more on his reasons. (something i've personally been pushing for nyx to do since day 2)
overall it doesn't truly feel like "scum hunting" but i seem to at least understand his frustration in this post and why he is attacking these people.
His opinion on people changes (cake in particular, which i like since i read cake as town)
After rereading his filter from day 1. I like odin,
His defense of nyx seems reasonable. His attacks seemed reasonable. The way he came around on cake, seemed like a town. It doesn't feel like 2 mafia poking each other and moving on.
Going to reread the next cycle now.
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On November 06 2013 13:27 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Storr, now I'm not completely sold on it since I haven't had a lot of time to really digest what I've just finished reading since I've been gone.. I feel like Storr doesn't honestly expect to gain traction on OWB here. The thread being so dead helps in this regard, the modkill question on Poofter seems like it could be a last ditch call to get people to swap. This seems really illogical to me at first. But maby he intended this to look better when Poofter magically shows back up. But if he really thought that voting ended in 1 min I can assume he's counting on being on the scum vote to try to make himself look better. Not really sure how I should think about it. Then the post on not thinking OWB expecting a blue flip.. I read OWB post as if he was really hoping for a blue flip. And then it feels like the only reason OWB post at all here is that he wanted to try to fish blues to claim. So while he's still saying he's scummy for that post... other than the timing of the post coming up so fast, you disregard it's point entirely. I feel like the case against owb is still light enough that he doesn't honestly believe it will change anything.
If we get a mod kill, and a lynch. we gain more information as town.... the mod kill only works if tehpoofter stayed inactive and no replacement was found. This would be a really low cheap shot to do... To plan this out and act on it as mafia... I would not do it, i was upset of the possibility of it happening in the hogwarts game.
Read how you want the time, but i was completely honest on thinking the vote ended at that time.
What point am i disregarding entirely?
My case against OWB day 2 was light. he was not my #1 lynch..
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Day 2 with odin
First thing that bothers me is odin miss reads / understands my comments about RB and balla.
His initial read on Storr was light townie early in day 1, when "called out" on it he defends himself because he has yet to finish reading up on day 1. Now on day 2, he seems to have clearly changed his light town read to a light scummy read, but has not really explained why.
His first dislike of me, is because i'm not interested in a defense on cake or jonny, but for them to add content into the game. I miss read this at first. But to answer the question, i had town reads on both of them, so i am more inclined to believe vanes was wrong and the kill was for a set up. (it is very clear now it was a setup) If i had been behind the kill why would i not attack cake and jonny? why would i not pressure them? However Odin at the time was clear to attack jonny, maybe not cake at the time.
He then miss quotes me about the RB. I state it could have been a townie RB, but i am more inclined to think it was a Mafia RB. (looking at all the options, and then saying which i believe happened)
He then thinks i wanted to lynch balla... which was read wrong as well.
His case against me is weak and miss read entirely. The only thing that i see now, was the attack on me for not pressuring cake/jonny after Vanes flip. This push just seems forced and lacking. No comments about my reads or anything else, just reading my speculation wrong.
His case against Jonny reads better to me. Seems more like scum hunting, but it also feels like a lot of attacks on semantics. He asserts to vonthin that the kill was because vanes was on the right track. (Vonthin had questioned why a mafia jonny would kill the person (vanes) that was hunting him hard.
Odin was the 3rd person to go onto tehpoofter. Poofter had clearly been inactive, and maybe it was time for the bus. When poofter came back i honestly believed his reasons for not posting. (Thinking the lynch was the next day) If tehpoofter comes back sooner then odin can switch his vote easily while working with tehpoofter to save him.
I am pretty uncomfortable with day 2 odin. He pushed a lynch on myself that was nearly all semantics, he pushed hard on jonny as well as the reasons for vanes kill and that jonny would kill vanes to save his own hide. (we know that this is false now and that vanes was likely killed to set up jonny or cake. i suppose it is possible vanes was right about cake but wrong about jonny, and thats why odin pressured jonny and not cake)
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I think it might be possible for a odin/cake duo (based on vanes kill, the push on jonny and the revised townie read on cake)
I am less inclined to believe this since i think cake is town.
Looking back on vanes filter, it might be possible mafia killed him because he was on the right track on E00e. This gets overshadowed by his night 1 posts on Jonny and Cake
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I'll be on phone about 5 hours before dead line to about an hour after.
just a heads up so i don't get reamed for not being active enough then...
(i should still be able to read and post, but it can be frustrating from my phone)
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is this the trend of the mafia? go inactive and be like "o oops" and get voted off?
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OWB personally i don't care what you have been up to, you can just skip that and go into defending yourself/ reads or w/e
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anyone wanna talk about the current votes
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well all ready 5 on OWB, he could be lynched this second then.
Thing is, your not on the list balla, your one of my town reads. Cake as well. This worries me slightly
If odin is mafia with OWB then it makes sense though.
Other wise if OWB flips town then it puts back a lot of pressure onto myself and vonthin imo
People not posting sucks...
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