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I wouldn't bother sending in submissions for that contest, my house will CLEARLY win it. | ||
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On October 17 2013 05:16 Pandain wrote: Grack is town pretty obvious so far How is that pretty obvious? | ||
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All this is quite useless at this stage, but may have some utility in the end game if the game is close. | ||
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On October 17 2013 13:36 Pandain wrote: From what has resulted so far there are some very good observations that can be made. [list] [*]Grack is playing like his playstyle in Thug Life, although it isn't conclusive it reads to me he is town. [*]Griffindor is me, Vayne, justanothertownie, Cephiro, Stutters695, and Rayne/Koshi. [*]I am not going to be participating in the pick-up line contest as I am suspicious of three lurkers in my house and then Vayne has always been hard for me. [*]Grackaroni, however, you know you are town and you have good players in your house. Why do you not try to get the item and then convince what is most likely a majority of townies to use it in a town aspect. . [*]StorrZerg pushes someone but then never follows up, has your read changed Storr? I actually don't think this is that scummy but it is interesting. Do you genuinely think this is a list of "very good observations"? The only actual "observation" of any note and utility is the first one and I would like you to elaborate on that a bit. Did you believe he was playing his Thug Life playstyle when I initially asked as to why you thought he was "pretty obviously" town or was that based on something else? | ||
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On October 17 2013 06:26 supersoft wrote: you guys just write it down here or are you actually going to vote? because if you don't, it looks like you dont want your voting patterns to be in the votingthread. Did you find this suspicious? | ||
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On October 17 2013 11:57 Mattchew wrote: shouldn't palmar and syllo be figuring out each others alignment? im going to bed How do you propose I do that? This post seems strange in that you imply that you have read the thread because you know we haven't been trying to do that in-thread, but if you have done that, you should also know that Palmar hasn't even posted. What was the point of that post? | ||
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On October 17 2013 20:28 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Well, if +5 people say what you wrote was bad, and nobody says it was good. I am going to believe it was bad. Skanjab is not a townread for me, I can vote him but wont persue him anymore. Others can do that. This is not at all the conclusion you make for the skepticism. No one has strong feelings regarding Skanjab's alignment based on the few posts he has made so far and he could definitely be mafia. If you think he is mafia you should be pursuing him. I'm not sure what to make of your attitude as the whole "drop all suspicions immediately" is bordering too suspicious to actually be mafia territory. | ||
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It's fine to find my in-thread play so far lacking, but that post is you are focusing on is irrelevant. | ||
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On October 18 2013 15:13 Mocsta wrote: Active lurker syllo Why are you resorting to fallacious: argumentum ad populum? What, because others did not find your effort to ignore onegu suspicious, the act is not suspicious? That you reciprocate to my observation the way you, warms my heart as well. ..... So.. whose scum syllo? I've been active lurking whole game, as evidenced by my posting on the QT and the lack thereof in here. Reading the thread and not posting isn't indicative of much unless there is actually something worth commentating on. Indeed, actively keeping up with the thread is a town tell if anything. That's not argumentum ad populum. I did not suggest that ignoring Onegu is right or wrong, but rather that it's irrelevant. The point was that no one else was commenting on him either, but for whatever reason me not mentioning him in that one post was somehow suspicious even though I also did not mention 22 other players in the game. | ||
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On October 18 2013 16:43 Mocsta wrote: I'm dumb. Can you walk me through why it's townie. He's read mafia wiki. What is the significance of the change/connotation and why is it not a null or scum indicator? He is putting in at least minimal effort to investigate the issue. It's a very weak indicator either way, but if I had to pick based on that, it would be slightly towny. As for the significance of the change, I can't really come up with anything meaningful. Calling it smart town play isn't suspicious at all and wanting to change the connotation just seems irrelevant to me. I read your perspective on it and I did consider that angle before doing so, but decided that it's really weak at best. It's possible that it was a slip, but it would have to be a slip that only makes sense in his head and correcting himself certainly is more suspicious than just leaving it there. After all, he also called it bold mafia play. | ||
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On October 18 2013 08:16 Holyflare wrote: People seem to be flailing like fish right now. I do not know why. People are defending "slow" players too like it's their god given right to stay in the game. This IMO is utter shit play. You can sit on reads like Palmar to day 3 only to find out he was actually scum all you want, but I will not do it. It does not prove he is town to me and if he continues playing like that during day 1 my vote could most definitely end up on him. Meta works, to an extent, but slow play meta is something I despise. That being said I want to steer this town in the correct direction so some of you people can actually pull your fingers out of your arses and we can win the game. <snip> There are a lot of people in this game, a lot of filters to dive through. I've been reading and re-reading but there is nothing blatantly scummy that I can wholeheartedly see yet When you say people are defending "slow" players, were you referring to Palmar? That definitely did not happen and never will happen. That defense was used to justify my play, but I'm completely absent from your post. You say that slow play meta is something you despite. Have you personally experienced this? I looked at your games and there's only one non-newbie game, so that seems like pretty strong choice of words. Another thing that feels a bit fake about the post is that you start by suggesting that people are "flailing like fish" but you do not know why, and then go on to say that you haven't found anything blatantly scummy. I'm not sure what flailing like a fish looks like in a game of mafia, but meaningless or even contradictory fluff never looks good to me. | ||
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I also do not like how your reads are tugged near the end, spoiler tagged and definitely not the focus of your post. Again, based on my experience you are an outspoken player who pushes his reads. I'm not seeing this in your cases and in fact I do not know who you want to lynch. Finally, I'm skeptical that the list of "other suspicious people" is genuine. The list of names does not make sense to me, because they do not seem to stand out at all as suspicious and in fact some of them have looked towny. It's a weird mix of names. His reads differing from mine isn't an issue, but that specific list of names is. It's also strange that you note that you will make "small cases on" unless you change your read "strongly". Awkward and fake sounding phrasing. ##vote Cephiro I'm leaving in about an hour and will be gone for at least 3 hours. It's possible that I won't be back before the deadline, but I likely will be able to. | ||
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On October 18 2013 21:51 Palmar wrote: I also had cephiro as likely town. Why? Who is mafia then? | ||
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On October 19 2013 03:39 Mocsta wrote: you better be town. i abhor appeals like this.. even moreso as scum. almost warning worthy if scum; as this transcends the gentleman rules of play. Agreed, after that meta-gamey poor sports post I'm not switching. Feel free to complain about the case against you being bad, but have some self-awareness and do not attempt to convince us with emotional not game related nonsense. | ||
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I'm not confident about the lynch and I'm not happy about the lack of resistance. That does not necessarily mean that he isn't mafia and I was merely making an observation. | ||
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This is not to suggest that our medics should protect me; I definitely wouldn't mind dying. If you insist on doing that anyway, roll a dice between me and someone else. | ||
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On October 19 2013 05:29 Hopeless1der wrote: save this kind of stuff for post game. palmar's dead, it wont help anymore Don't worry, he doesn't mind at all. It's essentially friendly banter. | ||
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But you are making entirely too many connections and assumptions before a single relevant flip. | ||
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On October 19 2013 03:39 Mocsta wrote: you better be town. i abhor appeals like this.. even moreso as scum. almost warning worthy if scum; as this transcends the gentleman rules of play. I really can't see mafia Mocsta making this post knowing that Cephiro is mafia as well. It would either mean that he is faking his disgust or him taking advantage of very cheap play with similarly cheap play. Either way, I would be highly disappointed in him. | ||
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On October 20 2013 05:26 Holyflare wrote: He said in the thread don't kill stutters trust me, it's kind of obvious That was Supersoft, not sure why he said that as he isn't the one who was masoned with him. | ||
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On October 19 2013 04:35 Pandain wrote: I'm back and still don't have much time. Someone explain why cep hiro is massive bandwagon now despite his posts from when I was here? I don't think Pandain would have posted this at the time when Cephiro had 11 votes if Cephiro is mafia, although people were starting to get second thoughts at the time. | ||
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On October 20 2013 06:11 StorrZerg wrote: Would it be a safe call, if a "cop" had a check on mafia, to come out? Yes | ||
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On October 17 2013 17:45 Mocsta wrote: On Syllo: I don't get the feeling from this game that he is interested in solving it/progressing it. The pressure on pandain didn't feel natural; and was dropped too easily/conveniently for my liking. Mocsta looks fairly suspicious for this | ||
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If Pandain wants to give Grack a meta read based on Thug Life. My personal opinion is that Pandain is looking better than he did in Noir. I will give him slight town lean based on meta; and hopefully he can firm that up as the game proceeds. On Yamato: Im at loggerheads. Im pissed he suggested I was scum earlier and am somewhat dismayed by his lack of aura/presence when entering the thread. However, I like his pick-up on Mattchew as I felt the same way. On Syllo: I don't get the feeling from this game that he is interested in solving it/progressing it. The pressure on pandain didn't feel natural; and was dropped too easily/conveniently for my liking. He suggested that I'm mafia for my early game Pandain pressure, which I sadly droppep. Mocsta might have had a point if he thought Pandain was mafia, but he actually quite awkwardly calls Pandain town (hopefully he can firm that up later???). He was pushing suspicion on me because he knew Pandain was mafia. | ||
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On October 20 2013 06:52 Grackaroni wrote: I agree with what syllo is saying though if pressure isn't natural ( not good reason to be suspicious) then it makes sense for it to be dropped easily and he shouldn't be suspicious of syllo for that. He insinuating that it wasn't natural and was dropped quickly, because I'm mafia and it was fake pressure on another mafia. Mafia pressuring a townie does not immediately drop their pressure, especially not in the way I did (I said that his answers satisfied me rather than silently dropped my suspicions). My pressure made perfect sense and he didn't even explain why he thought it was unnatural. | ||
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On October 20 2013 07:05 justanothertownie wrote: Wat It is no policy lynch and I sincerely hope you don't abuse this license because you probably won't live much longer anyways. Whether it is a policy lynch or not depends on whether he flips mafia or not. If he flips town, I was just following Palmar's dying wish. | ||
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You weren't pushing the same reads as him and based on a quick skim of your filter this is the only time you mentioned him. A very strong town game implies he was pushing correct reads. I am not pleased with how LastArgument has gone about his business; but that does not necessarily make him scummy. Guarantees he is a douche though. | ||
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He suggested that him being suspicious of you should give him town credit because "you" flipped mafia, when in fact LonelyMeow did. It's irrelevant though and likely just a mistake, don't worry about it. | ||
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On October 20 2013 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote: That LA flipped? Was in response to syllo saying he can't know his alignment. I.E. he flipped I know he's town. I didn't say that, I simply suggested that he couldn't know LA played "very strong" town game unless he knows alignments of every player in the game. It's possible that he thought LA was just very towny and therefore player a strong game, but I find that less likely than the alternative. Still, no point discussing this any further. | ||
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On October 20 2013 08:46 Mocsta wrote: Syllo, You say you want to policy lynch me; and now you are talking about mafia mindset. What is your actual problem with my play? I don't understand why you would want an answer to this. The policy lynch is essentially a joke and rationalization for the lynch in case I'm wrong. If you keep being active and actually showing interest in the game, I'll likely reconsider. | ||
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On October 18 2013 08:16 Holyflare wrote: People seem to be flailing like fish right now. I do not know why. People are defending "slow" players too like it's their god given right to stay in the game. This IMO is utter shit play. You can sit on reads like Palmar to day 3 only to find out he was actually scum all you want, but I will not do it. It does not prove he is town to me and if he continues playing like that during day 1 my vote could most definitely end up on him. Meta works, to an extent, but slow play meta is something I despise. That being said I want to steer this town in the correct direction so some of you people can actually pull your fingers out of your arses and we can win the game. SO; Palmar + Show Spoiler + This guy..... Yeh, great, he's a veteran. He is also in my house QT. Does that excuse him from playing the same game as we are playing? No. On October 17 2013 23:27 Palmar wrote: @Mocsta: Why did you claim the self-aware miller? What's the point? What did you hope to achieve? This is literally the only question he asks in the entire thread so far, it's been a while too. Sure, Mocsta hasn't replied yet, so you'd think he'd be doing something more productive at this point. How can it be possible for us to determine what role he is if he doesn't say a thing in the entire thread other than he's waiting for mocsta. Furthermore, + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 05:43 Palmar wrote: Where did I say I've read the thread? And no, I want to have a conversation with him. Mocsta has posted much more then a self-aware miller claim. Surely it would be nice to hear about that too? Or anyone else? I am most comfortable lynching him today. Call it policy, call it scummy behaviour, call it what you will. This is a game where you contribute so that we can determine who you are. Riding through days does not do this. Stutters695 + Show Spoiler + Did not honestly realise this guy was in the game until I re-checked the thread. What can I say? 4 total posts in the entire game so far and the only one that really counts is: On October 18 2013 03:22 Stutters695 wrote: Last time I played with Palmar was YANMM or LX or some big game where he argued really strongly in favor of policy lynching a claimed SAM in similar circumstances as town. I'd like to see him contribute more, but as of now, I think his frustration is genuine. This defence on Palmer who has literally done nothing in the entire game so far other than question Mocsta on a miller claim is a bit odd to say the least. Why would you specifically mention Palmer over everyone else in the game so far? There are a LOT of pages to go by but he only mentions a bit of meta from another game. It's ok though, he justifies things: On October 18 2013 03:56 Stutters695 wrote: As far as I remember I've never seen him roll scum/read a game where he is, but I would expect more out of him in line with emulating his usual play. If he was lazy in his last scum game I'm probably off on this, but off of memory he spent most of d1 in that game I'm talking about just crying for a policy lynch on whoever claimed. Basically I don't have faith he'll flip scum based off of this, but I'll follow up on it next time I get to a pc to browse older games. He's never seen a Palmer scum game, he's basing meta off one town game when he has no idea how he'd react as another faction. This seems overly defensive, it looks like he knows his alignment. Either way, he's not talking about other things, he's not active. Comfortable with this lynch too. Sn0_Man + Show Spoiler + Yes, storrzerg makes sense, even if he is looking tunnely in the thread. In the QT at least it's a bit of a different story. This was storr's case The only thing I add to it that was criticised by Ceph is evidence. This is his desert mini mafia filter he was town in this game and at least posted quite a lot. His posts were informative and had elements of scum hunting. Definitely different from this game due to activity, even his first few posts aren't really the same. There are a lot of people in this game, a lot of filters to dive through. I've been reading and re-reading but there is nothing blatantly scummy that I can wholeheartedly see yet. There are one or two suspicions I have that I want to see played out and I will be pressing some people over things later, but for now one of these 3 I will be comfortable lynching. Stutters, I will give the benefit of the doubt to as he said he will be reaching a PC. Sn0 or Palmar are therefore my choices. I want to hear their responses before I confirm my vote direction though. Holyflare still seems mafia to me for this post, for these reasons On October 18 2013 17:44 syllogism wrote: When you say people are defending "slow" players, were you referring to Palmar? That definitely did not happen and never will happen. That defense was used to justify my play, but I'm completely absent from your post. You say that slow play meta is something you despite. Have you personally experienced this? I looked at your games and there's only one non-newbie game, so that seems like pretty strong choice of words. Another thing that feels a bit fake about the post is that you start by suggesting that people are "flailing like fish" but you do not know why, and then go on to say that you haven't found anything blatantly scummy. I'm not sure what flailing like a fish looks like in a game of mafia, but meaningless or even contradictory fluff never looks good to me. The whole last paragraph of his post is essentially suspicious fluff | ||
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He doesn't specify whether the post is suspicious or not, just that he doesn't "like things like this". Yet he supposedly wants to ask the same question from Pandain/Grackeroni/Vayne On October 19 2013 04:24 Holyflare wrote: I don't like things like this: What about the other people with similar circumstances, stutters, sn0, onegu, BH etc etc. Why specifically palmar? Is it because he has votes on him already and was an easy place to put your vote that wasn't on a wagon? People have expressed this attitude is also town Palmar. If Cephiro's frustration is a town read to you then you should be aggressively pushing a lynch onto someone else because we are about to lynch a towny? His posts as just linked by Mocsta illustrate that they are the exact same as a scum game of his, what does that imply to you? The same questions go to: Palmar (4) : Pandain, Grackeroni, VayneAuthority, LoneMeow all of these people too. His suspicious interactions with mafia aren't limited to just Lonelymeow: On October 18 2013 11:41 Holyflare wrote: @ET: Your case relied upon him apologising a lot, however, all you have to do is check the TL mafia database and look at his previous games. I have checked almost all of them and then did a ctrl+f search for "sorry", it appears in EVERY game many times. So I do not think it is alignment indicative for Onegu, especially to base a whole case off of. + Show Spoiler [Onegu] + Newbie Mini Mafia XLII Mafia Vanilla Endgamed Day 4 Newbie Mini Mafia XLIII Mafia Tracker Lynched Day 3 Newbie Mini Mafia XLIV Town Vanilla Modkilled Day 3 Nuclear Winter Mafia Town Immune One Endgamed Day 5 A Bluelightz Mafia The Attack Mafia Vigilante Survived Day 4 GoT Mafia: Lords and Liars Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4 Desert Mini Mafia Mafia Conditional Vigilante Survived Night 5 Persona 4 Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2 Town Dog Killed Night 3 However, since that case, Onegu has indeed not posted much and so I'll probably add him to my Palmar/Stutters/Sn0 lynchables for now. What I do actually want to point out though is: + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 11:03 EchelonTee wrote: Looks like I misread the deadline and will have plenty of time to analyze things. Will be home and in it in around 4 hours. @pandain I stated that people should spend more time in thread than in QT and articulated my reasoning behind this with examples and logic; and your response is that this is "bad". Really. If you have more reasoning behind your view then by all means argue with me, but calling me red for this is just laughable. You making me out to be afraid to talk to a small enclosed group is absolutely hilarious btw; if I was scum I would love to mess with the minds of a small group. Just ask Mattchew about when I got him to completely out his role, Palmar's role, and what their actions were going to be. Or when I convinced Meapak_Ziphh I was town and got him to share with me all of town's votes. Whether I'm town or scum I argue with people who come at me with terrible logic; read my past games and you'll see. Besides, your logic here is absolutely terrible. There is no "confirming" a QT; even with detective type classes there are always framers and the like. Even with deaths in a house, you can't confirm if the rest are town or not. Your continued comments on me as a suspect with this weak-as-hell basis is disturbing, to say the least. This is a fucking Harry Potter themed game. If we're all squibs then I should've just signed up for competitive tic-tac-toe. Why has no one commented on my Onegu case? He's gone completely black since posting 3 weakass posts and hasn't even responded to me. Screams scum much more than anyone else at this point; putting my vote on him. Will make deeper analysis when I'm back. ##Vote: Onegu Nice scum/town slip. He looks up Onegu's meta, concludes that ET's case is based on false premises, but then decides that he is worth lynching anyway due to the lack of activity. The spoiler tagged comment at the end of his post is completely nonsensical. Why would you point out that something is either a mafia or town slip? | ||
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On October 17 2013 15:46 Pandain wrote: To add to this, I think there are better targets then Grack for right now, I'm waiting for a response to my question for him which will either solidify my town read of him or possibly rescind it. I'm not ignoring him entirely. Holyflare is quite interesting, but he'll slip up eventually if he is scum. Storr we will see. And there are probably at least two scum in the lurkers, if not more. First of all, it's now hard to believe that we ignored this guy. Secondly, this Holyflare mention is completely out of place and nonsensical and suspicious. He is "interesting" , but "will eventually slip up"? What? Pandain seems to have been fond of throwing out a few townie suspicions and one mafia for good measure. | ||
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His QT and in-thread content is very underwhelming and his activity dropped off the cliff. He made some excuses and promises regarding the activity on the QT, but if anything he has become less active. At one point early on he, without prompting, said that he will "look into and possibly make a post about" Holyflare and then a bit later concluded that he looked towny. That by itself may not be meaningful, but he hasn't really given any town reads and few reads in general. I like the idea of the distribution being 2/2/1/1 as with Mocsta in Slytherin that would for the purposes of cop checks be 2/2/2/1. | ||
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On October 20 2013 22:08 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Yeah but if ET is your scumbuddy would you do it like this? Trash the case but still vote with him? Why destroy the case? Feels like he disagreed with the case but also found Onegu scummy/ worth pressuring. There is no further interaction with ET. Not a single remark that ET is scummy for being wrong. Wouldnt you do that if you knew ET was scum with you? Covering your bases. If he is mafia, his motive was to "interact" with ET and provide some easy content that anyone can do regardless of alignment. He probably didn't even realize that it made ET look bad; he definitely did not trash the case. Anyway, neither townies or mafia play perfectly and consider everything. | ||
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On October 20 2013 23:36 justanothertownie wrote: How did house hufflepuff come to the conclusion Matt and Storr are town? Because of the filters of flipped scum or are there other reasons? I think there is no reason to disbelieve the cop claim (he hinted at it pretty obviously in thread) but it would be a good scumplay - we might waste several cycles to lynch the scum in hufflepuff if Storr was mafia. Syllo, why does hopeless look better than holyflare? Is it just that you think Holy looks really bad or is there something redeeming about hopeless? Hopeless has seemed quite confident and today volunteered three town reads on players many considered potential lynch targets (mattchew, storr, vayne). | ||
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I'm almost certain that there is no framer. I believe it would be way strong against this kind of cop. | ||
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On October 21 2013 02:41 Grackaroni wrote: HF is a floridian. I don't really think it's HF. HF was getting excited in the QT over a perceived ET town slip, I told him it didnt necessarily make him town. then he posted the nice scum/town slip ET. Without seeing this in context it's a bit difficult to see how this makes him town. I'll take another look at mattchew/hopeless, but we need more input from people with access to your qt. | ||
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On October 21 2013 02:47 Holyflare wrote: No, squib is someone with no magical powers, hence why my 'power' is not a power, it is a vote. I suppose that is possible since Toad was a squib, but still had a "lover" type of "ability". I don't care about squib flavor, but there are clearly blue and green roles, so there must be some reason for this division. LastArgument flipped blue and his only power was being a mason. | ||
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On October 17 2013 08:35 Mattchew wrote: a lot of soft accusations being thrown at Skanjab1s and dont we always have to lynch the self aware miller or is that some other weird role? While Yamato hasn't flipped yet, I would also like to note that he has some suspicions interactions with Mattchew and Yamato's final post before apparently giving up on the game was to very lazily attack Mattchew http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20017831 | ||
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On October 22 2013 00:43 Grackaroni wrote: I disagree with this. BH doesn't roll over as scum. In Golden Sun he was almost lynched day1, claimed survivor and then n2 Mafia night killed WoS, the survivor, in a mini game. BH kept posting all day long trying to avoid the lynch even though people already thought he was scum day1 and there was next to no chance of there being a 2nd survivor in a mini. He said he was going to be busy and /outed the game. Him not posting doesn't make him scum. It just makes him busy. I'm voting Yamato because he actually does give up as scum and just posts seal pictures when there is a red check on him. Hopefully CR will be able to post some things before deadline. I do agree with this, although BH has been utterly useless even when he has been here. I preferred yamato lynch until we, sadly, got a sub. I suppose it's possible neither BH and Yamato asked for a sub, but Yamato got one because his team did ask. | ||
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On October 22 2013 00:57 Cephiro wrote: Hey confirmed townie, who would you lynch out of matt, holy and hope? I'm not answering your questions and I've essentially answered that question multiple times. | ||
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On October 22 2013 01:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote: So, apparently everyone in Hufflepuff knows a lot of townies. Everyone has StorrZerg as a townread. Therefore you can trust his check. SO WHY THE FUCK DO YOU WANT TO LYNCH OUTSIDE YOUR HOUSE BECAUSE YOU BASICALLY KNOW WHO IS SCUM THERE? -rayn Frankly I think the odds of hitting mafia outside hufflepuff is roughly the same as in hufflepuff. | ||
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On October 22 2013 01:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote: It's not about the odds. They trust StorrZerg. They have a lot of townreads. People should know who is scum, at least 50%. Why are they not even pressuring those people? They just tell everyone else to "shut up" about their house. -rayn There's been a lot of discussion revolving around the issue already and likely more in their QT. Everyone in hufflepuff is fairly active and has to stay that way. I would rather have them find mafia outside the house, as that is useful information and I would prefer killing people who aren't playing the game and may be mafia (bh,yamato, maybe stutters). | ||
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On October 22 2013 01:35 Hopeless1der wrote: Do you think ceph is legit "playing the game" at this point? I'm trying my best to ignore the issue for now. If he is mafia the way he has used his role is very, very confusing and he will have to reveal more about it later, probably tomorrow. | ||
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On October 22 2013 01:35 Holyflare wrote: I'm so sick of this bull shit i called storr out for it earlier in the qt with a rage post about how he is SO sure on everyone being town just because of like 1 post, he put in no fucking analysis, the only person i can say has was hopeless, although storr has definitely now. Hopeless left out grack who is a HUGE part of pandain's filter? Why? Mattchew's reqds are nothing but spouting off storrs post on pandain. It's a fucking joke/travesty. If anything I'm leaning on mattchew. However, bh is scum, demotivated because pf 3 scum deaths night and can't be fucked to play. He still hasn't claimed his role. Lynch that fucker. What is yamato then? | ||
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On October 22 2013 02:03 Cephiro wrote: Could you share this KNOWLEDGE that one of those lurkers is mafia? As a modconfirmed town you have no way of being sure. And for their amount of posting, it's extremely hard to say whether they are town or not. + They may be modkilled. Use the information we have here in thread and use your skill you should have to deduct the hufflescum. I've many very probability town reads that makes it extremely likely that this pool of inactive players has at least one mafia, probably two (bh,stutters,yamato). I'm not going to go through every town read I have. | ||
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On October 22 2013 02:04 Stutters695 wrote: Well after catching up on Ceph and his role, I'm with Mocsta and still think he should be number 1 lynch today. This dude is simply not town. Gonna go catch up with the other candidates, but I'm still for a Ceph lynch currently. Role claim please | ||
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On October 22 2013 02:08 Mattchew wrote: Syllo, can you answer atleast this, where would storrzerg read if not for his role He has looked towny to me since day 1 | ||
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On October 22 2013 02:23 justanothertownie wrote: May I ask for your opinion on Vayne? I think I will have to look into his previous games. Initially I had him slightly leaning town, but I have to re-evaluate at some point. Presumably I'm missing a lot of QT content that made some of his house mates consider him town. | ||
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On October 22 2013 02:29 Blazinghand wrote: So i'm getting lynched right now and have about 2 hours to say my bit before I flip right The first thing you should do is claim. | ||
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On October 22 2013 03:08 Hopeless1der wrote: Takes effect immediately. For example if toad lived I would have gotten his alignment, assuming he drank it, once hosts had confirmed the actions. Potions show up with the day post and a message saying mysterious potion like storr was asking about earlier. So you are saying that if you give me one of the potions and I quaff it tonight, I can't be targeted by actions? | ||
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On October 22 2013 03:15 Cephiro wrote: Why aren't there more votes on Hope? If I understood correctly, he claims his night 1 action was to put a cop check potion on Toad, and he got no results since toad died and was unable to chug the potion. (Irrelevant anyway due to the flip.) Does anyone else see this as incredibly coincidental if we had a tracker that was aware of his night actions? I smell an easy lie here. More likely he just went and shot or killed Toad. So you believe that it's likely that mafia killed Toad who was the lover of Echelontee and therefore mafia killed Echelontee? | ||
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On October 22 2013 03:51 justanothertownie wrote: Game ain't easy. Syllo, is it CR/yamato? As I said I would kill this slot and with the potion/BH situation I don't like a hopeless lynch that much. I think overall yamato lynch makes most sense. We've an overwhelming advantage even if one of the people who have claimed roles is mafia. Chairman ray claimed "vanilla town" (he made one post on the qt around the time he posted in the thread). | ||
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On October 22 2013 04:33 Mattchew wrote: why not? it could win them the game and force a day sooner lylo Because this is not how you design roles. I will keep that in mind if you host a themed game, however. | ||
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On October 22 2013 04:43 Stutters695 wrote: Since we are not lynching, I'm following syllo and my vote is on Ray. For the record, if yamato does not flip mafia, you are getting vigged. Possibly even if he does. | ||
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On October 22 2013 14:46 Grackaroni wrote: There's got to be someone who shot Lonemeow. We could probably narrow this down quite a bit through role claims. No, don't do that. Why would you do that? | ||
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Rayn: once, but it's not really relevant as Yamato didn't really interact with anyone | ||
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On October 23 2013 01:08 Mocsta wrote: If Yamato is then town; does this make Skanjab look better, worse, or indifferent? This doesn't make him town at all. That was, I believe, a reference to him being busy in championship mafia, which then ended and he made promises of activity and then disappeared. | ||
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On October 23 2013 04:37 Grackaroni wrote: So you think HF is town. No, I don't know what he is. Somehow hufflepuff isn't making sense to me right now. | ||
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(2) I doubt Storr was shot because you supposedly get notified if you take damage if you don't die. I think one of the 0.5 kp roles mentioned this. (3) It was very obvious Mattchew was the cop I will likely have more soon. | ||
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On October 23 2013 14:16 Mocsta wrote: I still have house watcher power and tonight can medic save. I have one more power that is redirection based. That's not all your abilities. Didn't you claim using a delayed vig or something like that on n1? | ||
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On October 23 2013 15:20 Mocsta wrote: Actually ##Vote: JustAnotherTownie The only reason I wasn't considering him last day cycle is because you called him confirmed town. Now that I know the reasoning; I don't think it holds water. So what's your theory on the vigi shot? | ||
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The point being that you are one of the people that might get lynched, not that you have been playing poorly. | ||
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If you believe the griff cop check, BH is the person to be suspicious of. | ||
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On October 24 2013 02:30 Holyflare wrote: This is the 3rd "bending of truth" that people have done about their powers. You were on track to lynching me and my power looks very scummy. I could quite clearly have not said anything and just afkd today but I'm telling you the truth. That is why I'm equally confused about the secret vote on stutters. Why would i do that instead of voting myself as they were both apt lynches. I'm not intentionally hiding my intentions here. If you are town, don't do that again. You are going to inevitably get caught and look bad, and just claiming your "suspicious" power is usually going to make you look better, not worse. | ||
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On October 24 2013 22:48 raynpelikonoshi wrote: BH claimed medic that was going to protect syllo. Also he is BH and people say he is good at solving things and shoot him N1 everytime. But I am thinking people might just be Pandain. That's not the point. He essentially isn't playing and him "protecting" me doesn't confirm anything. People wanted to lynch him. Sn0 was a confirmed townie with a powerful role, but if mafia didn't understand that sn0 is also a medic rather than some stranger role, then I can see why they decided to shoot the medic over him. | ||
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I don't know about Skanjab and would like to see yamato flip first. The only notable thing on his whole filter is his a bit out of place case against yamato. Pandain going out of his way to trash the case is a bit strange as he must have known no one was going to listen to Skanjab anyway. | ||
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Justanothertownie: what about your house check result? | ||
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Hopeless you need to give the final potion to someone who isn't dying tonight | ||
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On October 28 2013 05:28 Holyflare wrote: Well I've been having tests all day and thought it would be a skan/cr/you team, now cr is out onegu fits really well. What about his play in particular fits "really well"? | ||
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On October 28 2013 06:50 Holyflare wrote: Bh gets roleblocked twice in a row and there's no night kills, he's going to get a lot of flak, so onegu conveniently claims to get shot? Fits really well. Not to mention his play all game it has been tunneled. He has been soft pushing BH but with no real evidence for it. He has been on me and not really much else. Why would mafia send BH to deliver the kill twice? | ||
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No framer would mean that there is no mafia left in Slytherin. I'm not willing to accept this and I think we should ignore the checks completely. If mafia framer doesn't have anything better to do with his abilities, framing Ravenclaw on n3 made perfect sense even without them knowing there was still a potential cop alive. | ||
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On October 28 2013 15:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote: This doesn't make any sense. Why can't he just do ##something: player and say "okay now i used my extra vote" instead of saying "okay guys i lied"? Because it would still show up as a "secret vote" | ||
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On October 28 2013 15:35 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Did he claim something else then? Like "my vote counts twice" or ? No, he said he had an extra vote that he has to publicly announce, but I definitely would be extremely suspicious of a publicly announced vote that shows up as "secret". | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:21 Mocsta wrote: anyways, I asked my house to make BH a squib. with the challenge potion. I put down my vote, it not sure if its a house majority thing. BTW holy. I find it suiper unlikely skanjab is Mafia. No don't do that, that's awful. That would let mafia kill Sn0. | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:28 Mocsta wrote: are you fucking serious.., so you believe town have two medics? BH's alignment is irrelevant. If he is pretending to protect sn0 tonight and sn0 dies, that's essentially him claiming mafia. | ||
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On October 28 2013 23:31 Mocsta wrote: I see.. then I want to squib hopeless. thoughts? I want him to give his final potion first. Has Skanjab claimed? | ||
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On October 29 2013 05:22 Hopeless1der wrote: Well, as phrased it would be forever, but....by that logic, you're immune for the rest of the game, except from the lynch. So...take from that what you will. So ask about it? Certainly you are allowed to know how your role works despite all the needless secrecy this game has about basic game functions. | ||
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There's still 3 mafia alive, so what's your best guess, preferably with some reasons. Have you or anyone else been discussing anything on the QT? | ||
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Depending on the flip today we should absolutely do it due to his extra vote being a bigger potential threat to town than a potential advantage. | ||
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Polyjuice Potion- You have sneaked into Professor Snape's office and obtained a vial of Polyjuice. By forcing the drink onto a fellow student, you may transform him into a Squib. For one cycle, he will lose any magical powers he previously had. If he was town, he will turn into a Vanilla Townie. If he was mafia, he will turn into a Mafia Goon. To use the item, type ##Polyjuice in the QT. So squib is a vanilla role without any powers. What does that say about Holyflare? | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:18 Holyflare wrote: Highlighted for what I've said over and over again until you actually get it. Masons have powers becauae they can secretly communicate to another player. Other people were squibs with extra flavor attached too, i.e toad etc. It says it will turn a person into A SQUIB and then says that this means the person will be a vanilla townie. There is no way way to argue your way out of this unless we get a host to confirm that this is an error. | ||
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On October 30 2013 01:51 Hopeless1der wrote: I-Be-Pro as Gregory Goyle was sent to St. Mungos! [spoiler]You are Gregory Goyle. Your parents sent you to Hogwarts to educate you into a proper wizard but it turns out you are a Squib. You and Crabbe are BFFs and therefore inseparable. If one of you dies, the other dies as well. Do you think lovers are on par with a doublevote? That's not a power and you can easily explain that by saying that is ET's power rather than Toad's. | ||
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On October 30 2013 02:12 Holyflare wrote: Thus essentially confirming a player as town........... You're kidding right? Absolutely not, it confirms the player a squib with a power. Mafia could be a squib with power as well. | ||
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On October 30 2013 10:23 justanothertownie wrote: Hmm, syllo are you sure about this? I want to vote with my townreads but it really seems like the rolepm is the only strong point against holy at the moment. I don't know if I want to risk metagaming the hosts right now. The "charm" explanation is at the very least possible somehow. Apart from that Holy at least showed some investment in the game while BH, skanjabis, hopeless (and onegu to some extent) just don't give a fuck. If you want my vote can you sum up your whole reasoning for a Holy lynch for me again? Rayn really disappoints me btw. As soon as his lynch was off the table his announced great reread with scumreads was transformed into some underwhelming posting. Not that I did better but I didn't run around promising people to find scum. Maybe I will find a bit more time tomorrow. It's not the only strong point against him. See e.g. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20022026 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20022049 Whenever I read that day 1 post from him I keep concluding that there is no way a townie would make a post like that. Besides what I stated in those posts, look at what he is saying. He is suggesting that town is, 24 hours into day 1, lacking direction and he has to give it some. The direction he offers is 100% repackaged content and wants to lynch Palmar ridiculous reasons. Look at his "case" against Palmar - does it look like a lynch you should be "MOST comfortable with" and would that be the kind of direction town desperately needs. Nowhere does he even say that Palmar's play makes him mafia and in fact he suggests that Palmar playing more would help town. | ||
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Holyflare not only has a role that would require hosts lying to us, but he has also lied to us about the role in a way that makes almost no sense to town. His attitude and approach for his defense is completely wrong. He never even once entertained the possibility of hosts issuing a correction, but immediately pushed the idea that they would never do that even though that is blatantly wrong. There's also the issue of town already having a flipped hidden voter. Having two town aligned hidden voters is by itself suspicious. If we don't lynch him today we may actually lose because you people are going to keep refusing lynching him ever day and he is mafia. | ||
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Now you seem to be saying that a townie should lie if he thinks that not lying could make him look slightly suspicious and characterize that as "not going down without a fight". There is no way you actually believe in what you are saying. | ||
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On October 30 2013 22:07 Grackaroni wrote: I still have no clue why HF would claim the secret vote instead of VT. Maybe he thought Storrzerg had a list of character names and roles. That's actually plausible because Storr kept insisting on me and Mocsta claim our role names | ||
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On October 31 2013 04:45 justanothertownie wrote: I don't have to vote for anyone I don't want to. Can you trust me just this once? Clearly what I said makes sense, making a statement does not help town in any way. | ||
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On October 31 2013 05:02 Skanjab1s wrote: No dont squib me im important. It's for your own safety, the alternative is much more unpleasant | ||
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On October 23 2013 05:07 Skanjab1s wrote: I was hoping someone would shoot CR. ##Vote Chairman Ray Thoughts on a massclaim in the future? So how about that massclaim Skanjab1s? | ||
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On October 17 2013 15:13 Holyflare wrote: What I really actually want to know Pandain is why the summary but leave out the entire starting argument? What did you glean from Skanjab1s replies to Toads pressure. Deflecting? On October 18 2013 05:09 Pandain wrote: The people who contributed greatly earlier on in the thread were: Hopeless Last Argument Skanjabs Yamato I have town reads on all of these people and others, upon analyzing them, should confirm/deny this from their own perspective. I also would like it if someone took the time to summarize their House QT for the thread. On October 17 2013 07:17 Zaragon wrote: Guess we'll let the Houses trickle out to fuel discussion. There is the off-chance that scum has no one in two whole Houses, too. After my last game, I'm going to be more careful about dismissing something very unlikely prematurely. I realized something is going to be very confusing: bits of rayn's scum play looks similar to Koshi's town, and their hydra is not particularly stating who is talking (unless I missed them setting up times or something in the pregame). For an early read, them using that ambiguity I'll put down as leaning slightly scum. skanjab1s is just odd so far, somewhat scummy and/or new; any meta on him? Hmm | ||
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On November 01 2013 18:15 Skanjab1s wrote: Are you serious? I was against squibbing him because it would be a waste of a squib. His power is a secret vote, which he would be forced to use in town's favour. Because KP is factional, the squib will not block it, It is therefore much more useful to use it on absolutely anybody else that I think could be mafia. (And y'know, that's exactly what happened, I used it on mafia with a power). This isn't how Mocsta explained your position and there was no way of knowing that the vote was his only power. Also you can't force a vote to be used in town's favour in lylo. | ||
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Anyway, this is all quite pointless as essentially the only people in the game that could be the framer are you, grack and onegu and there is no way lynching those two before you can be justified, in particular when there is no need to go through that effort as mafia can not win. | ||
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The way you could have actually demonstrated your alignment would have been by putting in even nominal effort since day 1, which you did not. You could have chosen to cooperate with town by claiming and subjecting yourself to squibbing, which you did not. This is especially baffling because at one point you seemed to be advocating a mass claim. If you are town, you are the most anti-town townie in the game after Cephiro, but at least Cephiro put in a lot of effort in the end. Feel free to make a case against Onegu or Grack or whoever. Be sure to explain why HF was trying to tie Onegu with BH and trying to get Onegu lynched first, even though he was essentially treating BH as confirmed mafia. Why not push you instead? HF was not in any danger of being lynched at the time. Where did the KP go on the night when Onegu claimed a hit? Was BH sent to perform the kill twice, even though no one was clearly going to RB Onegu and probably not HF? | ||
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On November 01 2013 19:19 Grackaroni wrote: Actually Rayn only gave out 1 candy to anyone but himself (me) and it was a RB/KP. That was on night 2. Mattchew checked Huffle n1 and Gryffindor n2. Rayn is in gryffindor. I don't see how his power prevents him from being scum... Why would he give that candy to someone he knows is vanilla instead of framing on n2? They knew at the time that there is a cop. It particularly doesn't make sense after they had lost their 0.5 kp roles. | ||
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I couldn't figure out what mafia framer was doing on n1 since it didn't target Ravenclaw, seemingly didn't target Huffle and framing Gryffin or Slytherin also seemed bad options. Gryffin had Pandain who people were ignoring and Slytherin had at least two mafia + miller. Grack concluding very early that everyone in Huffle was weird, but not thinking or reading and just playing on autopilot is easier. If the mafia framer can also make someone look innocent to checks, it makes most sense to target a house with 2 mafia or more mafia in it. After 3 flips the framer will obviously target houses that haven't been checked and guilty framing. Skanjab was absolutely correct in that it didn't make sense for one house to have 3 mafia + self-aware miller, but again when you can just lynch through all the possibilities it's easier to just not care. | ||
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If there is no NK, mafia chose not to NK. If there is a NK, but and Grackaroni is not dead, someone else is mafia. That's how it should work anyway. | ||
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On November 03 2013 04:46 cDgCorazon wrote: Also syllo, calling the hosts liars is a pretty dick thing to do. I did not call them liars. The usage of the word was strategic - I wanted to emphasize both to players and hosts that the information provided to us had to be accurate. It was accurate, but I was getting very confused by the answers I was getting as my request for confirmation about the accuracy of said information was not answered. | ||
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On November 03 2013 05:08 Ange777 wrote: I see your point but I stand with my decision to only reveal the information to a few players. It's a closed game, there was a notification about it and people chose to ignore it completely. Of course people could have been scared about outing the fact that they possess the item, but even after several scum had died and only town reads were left in their respective house QTs no one discussed it. The public notification didn't tell us anything though. Perhaps if it had been clearly worded to indicate that deathly hallows have been given to specific players, we could have had some discussion about them. I don't understand why you think choosing to reveal the hidden losing condition to only some players is better than revealing it to everyone else. I don't think a single player in the game finds the possibility of randomly losing fun. Even the whole win condition seems dubious to me as town could have been playing almost a perfect game and then randomly lose because mafia got lucky with the NKs. It is very difficult to balance and I'm struggling to see how such a win condition ever makes the game more fun. Perhaps if the whole design was built around it, but then you can't RNG the items. Otherwise I think this setup was fun and there were a lot of nice ideas. For instance I liked lumos+framer interaction and the house QTs worked very well. You should definitely host more themed games. Thanks for hosting. | ||
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On November 03 2013 06:07 Holyflare wrote: You had no case other than role pm. You just linked your old one that had flawed reasoning. Those posts from day 1 were posts no townie would ever make, but sadly I wasn't thinking clearly after having Cephiro and CR flip town. Besides that, you lied about your role ability in a way that makes no sense and there was a host confirmation that you were lying about the role completely. I am very much willing to admit when my cases are weak and when I'm wrong, but this is absolutely not such a situation. | ||
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On November 03 2013 06:18 Holyflare wrote: Those posts? You linked 1 post linking to lonemeow that i would absolutely post as town in every game. People said palmar was town. Lonemeow comes back in with 0 posts and votes him with no reasoning. I am going to post it out and also question the other people on palmar. I also made a case on him to confirm after the night but he got vigd. Day 1 you are also not likely to hit mafia abd so killing lurkers as policy like i said is the most optimal as they were the ones posting enough to keep themselves in but not contributing. You also made no case if you just linked to an old one that you clearly had a good enough reason to drop after my answers. So your only case was a mod pm. This is the post I was particularly referring to http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20005446 If you think that post comes from the mindset of a townie and that the person making it is being genuine and attempting to provide town direction, I don't think this conversation is worth having. We could have a third party look at the post and my comments regarding it. I can assure you that people who are generally considered good town players would all agree. e: again, it's laughable to suggest that me dropping the case for a while is meaningful. That's just a mistake on my part rather than evidence of the case being wrong. | ||
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On November 03 2013 06:29 Holyflare wrote: No, i fully admit my play wasn't towny but the posts that were mentioned have no alignment indicative nature in them. No, that is the likely the single most alignment indicative post in the whole game. | ||
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On November 03 2013 06:31 Grackaroni wrote: Syllo had some good points against him when the 1 scum Hufflepuff check came out I still can't believe that you were scum acting excited that another scum town slipped by saying squib. Also that you claimed a secre vote after that doing that. Posting "nice town/mafia slip" in the thread as town makes no sense unless you are a blue pretending to be a squib. It also doesn't make sense as mafia except as fake content. A townie known for arbitrary play could make it, but still it should have been considered quite suspicious. | ||
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On November 03 2013 06:36 Holyflare wrote: Well you are ridiculous. That part on stutters was fine. The others were policy. That is in no way alignment indicative and to say that is ridiculous. In what way would a scum mindset make that post? There isn't any reason to. It wasn't under the guise of scum hunting. It was 24 hours in and did point out stutters posts who were scummy. Nobody in the thread at the time said they wanted a palmar lynch. Guess what happened? He got lynched. Sn0 at the time posted very questionable things. You said it was just rehashing the thread but only 1 of them was and that was sn0,the other 2, well palmar at least was directly against thread sentiment at the time. The post was largely fake content and indicated that you are weren't reading the thread. No one was defending Palmar by suggesting that he always starts slowly. Palmar does not sit on reads until day 3. That was a pure fabrication and it is difficult to believe that the statement was based on something you had read somewhere. Indeed, Palmar usually has strong day 1. You stated that town was lacking direction, but the game had been only going for 24 hours and you offered it no new direction and the direction that was offered was very weak. Yet you claimed this direction was "correct" even though you later went on to say that you hadn't noticed anything blatantly scummy. The person making the post was not thinking like a townie and was not being genuine. You seem to disagree, but based on my experience I am not willing to take your word for it. I don't think we are going to see eye to eye on this, and possibly not on anything else as it appears that your in-game tone and arguments were not byproducts of your alignment, but rather of your genuine perspective. | ||
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Taking the lynch away from town by secretly using your vote and then not even assuming responsibility is just beyond comprehension though. I also have no idea why you didn't counterclaim Holyflare as town having two secret voters is extremely unlikely. | ||
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On November 03 2013 07:00 Holyflare wrote: It was categorically mentioned that there were people that didn't pick up play till day 2 onwards, you, palmar etc. In the thread. It is you that has not read and it is exactly that above everyone else attitude which gets on my nerves. There is experience and then there is arrogance. Case on sn0 contained meta to back up a point already made about him. Palmar wasn't being questioned or pushed in any way. Stutters posts were not ordinary for someone who hasn't seen more than 1 game of palmars. Of course 24 hours in a case will be very weak though there isn't much content to go on. However, to blindly say a townie wouldn't do that is silly. Seeing as 2 out of 3 people got lynched for the exact reasons in that case then other people also saw sense in them. These people were all under the radar picks that nobody was focusing on (bar sn0),that is why it looks scummy out of context, something you seemingly have a habit to do. I am not arrogant at all. If it seems like I am, it is because on this issue I feel that your perspective on mafia significantly differs from mine. We aren't going to agree, to continuing does not seem worthwhile. | ||
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On November 03 2013 07:52 cDgCorazon wrote: @Syllo: From my perspective, you spent the whole game trying to fish information out of the hosts and it was really annoying. Then you ask a really obvious question (I'm being blunt because I'm obviously a liar in your case) and I gave you my honest answer. Your question was: Is someone who has no powers a VT or is a VT someone who has no powers? The polyjuice potion said that it takes someone's powers away. You should use that information and not pester the hosts about what it means. If you really do not know what a VT is, you shouldn't be playing this game. Don't expect the hosts to hold your hand through this game and don't call us liars when we refuse to do so. The issue was that there was already some indication that this host has a different definition of what a VT is. That is to say, Toad flipped a VT who was also lovers with ET. This is typically a blue role. You are still not even understanding what the question essentially was. All what was asked is whether the information given to us was accurate. Instead of answering yes or no, the hosts kept dodging. As for the other questions, those are very routine and most hosts are happy to answer them. | ||
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On November 03 2013 07:56 cDgCorazon wrote: We didn't dodge shit. We said what the polyjuice potion did. It's a roleblock. Did you not understand that? You aren't even reading what you are replying to. | ||
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On November 03 2013 08:05 cDgCorazon wrote: I have no clue what you mean. Being a lover with someone isn't much of a power. I don't know what games you are looking at. Perhaps if you had not fished for information the entire game I would not be this mad with you, but I'm irritated because of it. I've no problems with Toad flipping green. All I am saying is that due to him flipping green, I wasn't as confident as I would have otherwise been on the fact that a VT role could not have powers. The only time I was "fishing" for information was when I asked about the town win condition and only because the phrasing was leading. I had to ask about the win condition because my role PM did not provide that information. Asking whether RB blocks factional KP or not is not fishing for information. I was a roleblocker and often that information is even available to everyone in the game, even in closed setups. It is up to the host to decide what information he chooses to keep private. It is up to the player to ask these questions. The game mechanics are part of the game and the setup being closed does not usually mean that everything that isn't listed in the OP is kept secret. Sometimes the hosts haven't even considered whether the information should be secret or not. | ||
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On November 03 2013 08:07 Grackaroni wrote: Syllo asking the hosts if it's possible for VT's/squibs to have additional powers is not a reasonable question and they don't have to answer it. It is completely reasonable question, but it is true that they do not have to answer it. However this isn't how I even framed the question. I argued that the information that they had already provided to us (polyjuice description) defined VTs and I asked whether that information was correct. Even if the information hadn't been given to us, it is a reasonable question because some mechanics of mafia are fundamental and deviating from those has to be done for a good reason. Vanilla townie means a role with no powers. e: the question and the refusal to answer can both be reasonable | ||
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On November 03 2013 08:28 Grackaroni wrote: You are basically asking the hosts whether HF is a liar while stating that you are going to base your decision to lynch HF on whatever the mods say. It's a closed setup. The hosts don't have to say whether squib can only apply to Vanilla Townies. It was a little careless that they used the word squibbing for taking away powers but that's more HF's fault for talking about squibs to give scum town-cred while not realizing that he has to be a VT to know about squibs. Yes my motive for asking that question is to find out whether HF is a liar. As I noted earlier, what is going on in the game is irrelevant as to whether the host should answer the question. In one game I believe Mattchew claimed self-aware miller and when town asked the hosts whether millers are self-aware, the host (Palmar) publicly announced that they are not. Different hosts have different policies as to what information they reveal in a closed setup. It is up to mafia not to put themselves in positions in which they can be caught for lying. This applies to all mafia claims and it is not at all uncommon for hosts to answer this kind of questions. Furthermore, I've no idea why you say that it was "careless" to give us the information. There is no reason to believe that it was careless, but rather a conscious decision and likely indicative of them not considering the nature of VT information that needs to be kept away from players. Usually both town and mafia needs to know what the VT role is because both may need it. For example, blue roles may in some situations claim VT or because not knowing the VT role may lead to them leaking information about the fact that they have a role. | ||
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On November 04 2013 02:00 yamato77 wrote: Would have preferred not to get modkilled since I asked for replacement as soon as the situation arose (2 weeks ago), but meh. CR did what he could and town lynched him for it anyway; their mistake. Uh, he just specifically said that he tried to play as poorly as possible because someone playing that poorly can't be mafia. That's not doing what "he could", but I do think that his strategy would have had some merit if he had explained it before the lynch. He essentially got lynched due to you constantly indicating that you would be active and then disappearing without a word after 3 mafia flipped on n1. Probably not a good lynch overall, but it's hard to ignore promises of activity in these circumstances. | ||
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On November 04 2013 02:11 yamato77 wrote: When someone replaces out in these types of circumstances, you should probably not assume things as you did about why it is they replaced out. Of course I won't ignore this kind of evidence, especially if the replacement doesn't play either. The only information available to me was what you said about your activity and taking that information into account in the absence of other information is much better than ignoring it completely. | ||
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On November 04 2013 02:39 justanothertownie wrote: Wait, I didn't know scum played to that wincon. There was no way for me to know Onegu had the last hallow and between skanjab1s and Onegu I was not sure who the scum was. Right, but since it was impossible for mafia to win in any other way, it's reasonable to assume that they are. No one else was talking about deathly hallows, so a townie probably didn't have them. | ||
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On November 04 2013 02:50 Hopeless1der wrote: Oh I also didn't bring up the stone because I was supposed to live an extra 24 hours, but hosts made an error. If/when I died I was going to reveal it. I had no way to get the other hallows so it wasn't worth bringing up in my opinion. Side note id tried to cop check onegu the night I died. No idea how that would have turned out. They should have just allowed you to play for the 24 hours regardless of the flip. Knowing your alignment for those 24 hours pre-flip wouldn't really have impacted the game at all and most players already considered you town. The error was made and the option was between not allowing you to play or allowing, and the latter was clearly fairer in these circumstances. | ||
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