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Blazinghand
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Grackaroni
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Blazinghand
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StorrZerg
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On October 22 2013 09:22 Blazinghand wrote: yeah i guess there's also the fact that syllo is literally an innocent child, and if I save him tonight he'll be able to live through tomorrow night as well thanks to the potion o good point fair enough. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Skanjab1s
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Grackaroni
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On October 22 2013 09:29 Blazinghand wrote: I actually am doing some thoughts on skan and the D2 vote that's making me think he's scum. he claims his hands were too slow, but I'm betting he PLANNED to swap after the deadline and not have his vote count, but got surprised by the secret vote and stutters actually flipped. If stutters were scum I'd say skan is scum 100%, but stutters flipped town so I'm still thinking it through. I'm gonna have some dinner and put together some more complete thoughts on what happened with the D2 lynch. that's ridiculous lol. Town don't plan to change their vote after the deadline and scum don't plan to last minute swap off of their scum read onto a townie with bad reasoning after the deadline. | ||
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Grackaroni
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Mocsta
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On October 22 2013 09:02 raynpelikonoshi wrote: yamato did play to his town meta on D1 and guess who else stopped playing after N1?-rayn Rayn, regarding the below: I do not have firm thoughts, so am happy to debate this out. I don't understand why people thought Yamato was playing his town meta. This extends all the way back to Pandain: On October 17 2013 23:41 yamato77 wrote: <I believe regarding Skanjab> Well, at least this idiotic push if me gives me a read on you. On October 17 2013 23:51 Pandain wrote: My take on Yamato town-meta is that he tries to be the knight in shining armor. He is forthcoming with his reads, and has a confidence behind them as if he has mod-information.I don't think it proves anything, never really see mafia go after vets. Especially with weak reasoning and when they're all alone, its just a lone townie trying to lynch you. Mocsta and Yamato are my two strongest town reads. Mocsta because every single thing he's posted so far I've liked and he's not spamming the thread while still having an influence. Yamato because he is being his townie self without the incessant spam, and I heavily disagree that he isn't pushing people. You don't have to vote someone to push them. Skanjab, you are tunneling Yamato and reading into things. He doesn't have to exactly fit with his town meta to be town, heck he was playing his scum meta up until the second day of play in Thug and he was town. Also why /would you lynch a potentially very valuable vet? This game: his first efforts were to socialise and complain On October 17 2013 10:28 yamato77 wrote: As an introductory post all this serves is to discredit a player in the game; whilst producing no direct reason to why that discredit exists. Simply put. I don't expect this type of post from Yamato as his first few posts.nvm it's the bad head of the hydra Note, that others had also requested confirmation on the hydra head for that exact same post; but did not result to discredit attempts - that was solely Yamato. So again, I can't grasp why Pandain lumped him as a town read for playing to his town meta; This is a glaring inconsistency for me. I still think Yamato is scum --> CR is scum. Vayne We know Pandain flipped scum + Harry Potter: On October 18 2013 02:21 Pandain wrote: Also I'm pretty sure that scum aren't going to be left with roles like "Voldemort". Worst roles of all time. Ron/Herminoie/Harry are probably confirmed, anyone else is fair game. Though he does not state directly that Harry Potter is town; it is inferred quite strongly. If Vayne was scum with Pandain, he would known that Pandain was Harry. On October 18 2013 02:17 VayneAuthority wrote: it is physically incapable for me to be mafia anyhow, I am one of the main characters. the one that banged harry potter. zer0 chance of me being mafia until a scum flips with a good guy name. I doubt that will happen tho. Originally, when I thought of this Vayne quote, I believed there is no way that a scum Vayne would put himself out knowing that Pandain was Harry. However, reading through this sequence of quotes, I have changed my mind. I can't find any reason why town would have those thoughts in the first place JustAnotherTownie This guy needs to step up. You aren't a scum read currently, but you are starting to verge into zone. In my opinion, you are commenting a lot of live thread discussion; but not progressing your own reads. Yes, I saw what you wrote at the start of Night 2, but I am talking about the 4-5 hrs before lynch where your posts equate to fillers. On October 22 2013 02:49 justanothertownie wrote: Fair enough. Would still be nice if you posted something from time to time. On October 22 2013 03:51 justanothertownie wrote: Game ain't easy. Syllo, is it CR/yamato? As I said I would kill this slot and with the potion/BH situation I don't like a hopeless lynch that much. On October 22 2013 05:06 justanothertownie wrote: Wow, that was sketchy. | ||
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Skanjab1s
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On October 22 2013 09:29 Blazinghand wrote: I actually am doing some thoughts on skan and the D2 vote that's making me think he's scum. he claims his hands were too slow, but I'm betting he PLANNED to swap after the deadline and not have his vote count, but got surprised by the secret vote and stutters actually flipped. If stutters were scum I'd say skan is scum 100%, but stutters flipped town so I'm still thinking it through. I'm gonna have some dinner and put together some more complete thoughts on what happened with the D2 lynch. (1) If I planned to swap after deadline, and yam/CR is scum, and the secret vote surprised me, then I'd be knowingly switching off flipped scum and onto town, which would only result in me looking scummy. (2) The secret vote wouldn't have surprised me if it is a scum ability, because I'd know that it was going to happen. (1re2) Last option, if I planned to swap after deadline, and yam/GR is scum, and the secret vote didnt surprise me, then I'd be knowingly switching off flipped town onto flipped town, which would only result in me looking scummy. Now how would any plan related to me planning to swap votes after deadline be a scum move? Naysayers with yo' naysayin' | ||
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Skanjab1s
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raynpelikonoshi
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(1) I don't think yamato would have confidency to attack me first thing in the game as scum. (2) I don't think yamato was overly trying to look townie and/or was scared of something (like he usually does as scum). (3) Yamato has been fairly "useless" in other games aswell as town. That's not alignment indicative for him. (1) and (2) are. -rayn | ||
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Grackaroni
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On October 22 2013 09:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Two things that made me think yamato is town: (1) I don't think yamato would have confidency to attack me first thing in the game as scum. (2) I don't think yamato was overly trying to look townie and/or was scared of something (like he usually does as scum). (3) Yamato has been fairly "useless" in other games aswell as town. That's not alignment indicative for him. (1) and (2) are. -rayn I don't understand you were ok lynching him prior to the ninja vote and now you do not want to lynch him? | ||
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Mocsta
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On one hand, On October 22 2013 05:47 Skanjab1s wrote: This is his last contribution before the lynch; and suggests no premeditation towards Stutters.The closeness of the lynch points more to CRay scum. It is pointless as scum to try last minute switch the lynch off of one townie and onto another. On the other hand, scum KP at 3 members is already 1KP for this cycle. Its a very risky move to hammer a townie (regardless of secret vote) for the benefit of 1 town lynch. I don't think the risk is worth the reward. As scum, I have hammered a townie last-second before, but made sure I had a story backed up over the past 3-4hrs to why. i.e. the concept was premeditated and I could back it up. Skanjab doesn't have this. As we know with claims: typically the awkwardly revealed claims are usually from town, and the big spiels that are perfectly crafted are usually fake-claims. Lastly, I have had a townread on Skanjab since his Yamato case, Day1. This has nothing to do with that he made a case on Yamato. It had to do with his approach. I asked him int he QT his thoughts on Yamato. He made a semi-case of points that suggested a scum mindset. I said I agreed. When Skanjab decided to unveil his case in the thread; he actually fleshed it out significantly more than the QT. That effort is something I *FIRMLY* associate with town. i.e. he had the confidence that his read was right due to QT talk, and then put more effort into the case. I find it hard-pressed to believe scum would have a mindset capable to do this. Skanjab is town. | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
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On October 22 2013 09:48 Grackaroni wrote: I don't understand you were ok lynching him prior to the ninja vote and now you do not want to lynch him? That was pure policy until CR started contributing and i think he will contribute later on aswell. I am nowhere near 100% sure yamato is town, but i am over 50% confident in my early read on him. Why are people talking about the silent vote? It's not alignment indicative for CR. -rayn | ||
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Mocsta
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On October 22 2013 09:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Two things that made me think yamato is town: (1) I don't think yamato would have confidency to attack me first thing in the game as scum. (2) I don't think yamato was overly trying to look townie and/or was scared of something (like he usually does as scum). (3) Yamato has been fairly "useless" in other games aswell as town. That's not alignment indicative for him. (1) and (2) are. -rayn (1)Clearly, Yamato attacked Koshi via clear discredit attempt. (2) So at least you can admit he was not overly trying to look townie. Where is this town credit coming from then? Did he really try to progress the game? His attitude between Champions game/this one are MILES apart. His attitude between Noir/this game are MILES apart. Do you disagree? | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
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On October 22 2013 09:56 Mocsta wrote: Regarding Skanjab and the last-second vote-swap. On one hand, This is his last contribution before the lynch; and suggests no premeditation towards Stutters. On the other hand, scum KP at 3 members is already 1KP for this cycle. Its a very risky move to hammer a townie (regardless of secret vote) for the benefit of 1 town lynch. I don't think the risk is worth the reward. As scum, I have hammered a townie last-second before, but made sure I had a story backed up over the past 3-4hrs to why. i.e. the concept was premeditated and I could back it up. Skanjab doesn't have this. As we know with claims: typically the awkwardly revealed claims are usually from town, and the big spiels that are perfectly crafted are usually fake-claims. Lastly, I have had a townread on Skanjab since his Yamato case, Day1. This has nothing to do with that he made a case on Yamato. It had to do with his approach. I asked him int he QT his thoughts on Yamato. He made a semi-case of points that suggested a scum mindset. I said I agreed. When Skanjab decided to unveil his case in the thread; he actually fleshed it out significantly more than the QT. That effort is something I *FIRMLY* associate with town. i.e. he had the confidence that his read was right due to QT talk, and then put more effort into the case. I find it hard-pressed to believe scum would have a mindset capable to do this. Skanjab is town. Wait what? Assuming you are town and Skan is scum; If i was in Skan's position and someone told me my case on a townie had merit i would totally expand it and post it in thread. Did Skan push the lynch on D1? Did he push it on D2? -rayn | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
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On October 22 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote: (1)Clearly, Yamato attacked Koshi via clear discredit attempt. (2) So at least you can admit he was not overly trying to look townie. Where is this town credit coming from then? Did he really try to progress the game? His attitude between Champions game/this one are MILES apart. His attitude between Noir/this game are MILES apart. Do you disagree? Probably because the Champions game. duh.. Do i look like i put the same effort into this game i put into the Champions game? Is that alignment indicative? -rayn | ||
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Mocsta
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On October 22 2013 09:59 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Wait what? Assuming you are town and Skan is scum; If i was in Skan's position and someone told me my case on a townie had merit i would totally expand it and post it in thread. Did Skan push the lynch on D1? Did he push it on D2? -rayn U get your point but the same can be asked why I did not vote with the case if I agreed. I had my reasons. But ok, maybe you would expand. I just know I wouldn't. If the case was already convincing, why try harder? | ||
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