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On October 24 2013 00:52 Bereft wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 00:12 Mocsta wrote:On October 24 2013 00:09 istandwithmitt wrote:On October 24 2013 00:00 Mocsta wrote:
Well, town got a victory.
I am saying "YOU LOST"
(1) barely used coaching
(2) failed using the most powerful weapon a townie has - their vote
(3) chose to participate in the game in a manner which would alienate you
But do not despair; there are many things you can improve upon, as long as you want to improve. \ Town didn't get a victory. They "got a tie." It's fine if you all want to be rude to me but I'm just trying to put out some constructive criticisms so you can have better games in the future. If you don't like it you can respond to my actual criticism rather than attacking me personally. Whose being rude? You clearly do not have thick skin. According to this: you want to share constructive criticism, but will not reciprocate by receiving? did anyone else crack up when Seuss called mitt a "social pariah" or was that just me? (think this happened day 1) I laughed so hard at so many things Seuss said.
This was my favorite:
On October 19 2013 07:21 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 07:12 Balla24 wrote:
Oh come on... you've pressured me enough already don't you think. Jesus. That was only the thumb vices. We haven't used the rack or the iron maiden yet.
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and also "For the love of Marlon Brando"
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On October 24 2013 00:49 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 00:46 AxleGreaser wrote:On October 24 2013 00:33 marvellosity wrote:
Axle you need to play some more mafia. While that might be what I need... not at the moment. Life says no. Life is pretty grumpy with me just reading not playing. The next thing I am going to do is read the last champions game again with all the flips. I need to work out how to streamline how I play a game so I can do it without it consuming my life. To think, that I used to think you were a smurf. /Mind-Blown.
Well that would be silly, I told you what I was when I arrived.
(edit: also told you what I wasn't.)
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On October 14 2013 16:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I think between SagaZ and istandwithmitt, at most one of them is mafia. SagaZ's first post is somewhat suspicious but istandwithmitt instantly going so hard on him is just as suspicious because it seems like such an easy target at that point.
There's no way they're both mafia together. It's possible both are town, but if we gain information that one of them is mafia, it would clear the other as town I'd say.
I was afraid the entire game this post early on would come back to bite me lol
SK why did you shoot me btw?
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On October 24 2013 00:12 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 00:09 istandwithmitt wrote:On October 24 2013 00:00 Mocsta wrote:
Well, town got a victory.
I am saying "YOU LOST"
(1) barely used coaching
(2) failed using the most powerful weapon a townie has - their vote
(3) chose to participate in the game in a manner which would alienate you
But do not despair; there are many things you can improve upon, as long as you want to improve. \ Town didn't get a victory. They "got a tie." It's fine if you all want to be rude to me but I'm just trying to put out some constructive criticisms so you can have better games in the future. If you don't like it you can respond to my actual criticism rather than attacking me personally. Whose being rude? You clearly do not have thick skin. According to this: you want to share constructive criticism, but will not reciprocate by receiving?
You're responding to my criticisms of the game by being critical of me. Like I said, that's fine but don't pretend like I'm wrong because you didn't like the way I played.
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On October 24 2013 04:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2013 16:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I think between SagaZ and istandwithmitt, at most one of them is mafia. SagaZ's first post is somewhat suspicious but istandwithmitt instantly going so hard on him is just as suspicious because it seems like such an easy target at that point.
There's no way they're both mafia together. It's possible both are town, but if we gain information that one of them is mafia, it would clear the other as town I'd say. I was afraid the entire game this post early on would come back to bite me lol SK why did you shoot me btw?
I had you as "OMG MAFIA WTF" in my notes first half of D1, mostly for that post.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
ITT: istandwithmitt is mad he didn't read the op
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On October 24 2013 04:08 istandwithmitt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 00:12 Mocsta wrote:On October 24 2013 00:09 istandwithmitt wrote:On October 24 2013 00:00 Mocsta wrote:
Well, town got a victory.
I am saying "YOU LOST"
(1) barely used coaching
(2) failed using the most powerful weapon a townie has - their vote
(3) chose to participate in the game in a manner which would alienate you
But do not despair; there are many things you can improve upon, as long as you want to improve. \ Town didn't get a victory. They "got a tie." It's fine if you all want to be rude to me but I'm just trying to put out some constructive criticisms so you can have better games in the future. If you don't like it you can respond to my actual criticism rather than attacking me personally. Whose being rude? You clearly do not have thick skin. According to this: you want to share constructive criticism, but will not reciprocate by receiving? You're responding to my criticisms of the game by being critical of me. Like I said, that's fine but don't pretend like I'm wrong because you didn't like the way I played.
No one's taking your criticism seriously because you barely played the game in the first place.
In fact, you're pretty much the embodiment of why rules like that exist.
On October 24 2013 04:14 Blazinghand wrote:
ITT: istandwithmitt is mad he didn't read the op
Or the vote counts.
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It's not like you were making an effort to read any case on anybody anyways....
Well see ya.
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istandwithmitt:
I suggest you join normal games instead. You played probably the best D1 from all the people. There is a reason players like you and me are being "hated". You made clear cases and managed to say same things in 10 words other people used 500 words on. In addition to that, the cases were spot on (not necessarily 100% correct as on scum, but correct in what you said). You nearly got lynched for it (lol).
I would suggest, if you are not able to be around (or don't know if you will), place your vote at the start of the day. It's a rule and whether or not you like it the rules should be followed.
The 1:1 with vigi scenario, i can understand your point of view, i can understand the other one too. I dunno which is better - as i think rules should be followed - why skip a day phase then if mafia does not win by equaling the town? If people make those kinda rules then there should be a vote race, it's a rule that whoever has the most votes first gets lynched in case of a tie. Nowhere does it say in some scenarios the day phase is skipped. I get the point and i agree with it, but it's pointless to discuss it, draw has been declared already.
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On October 24 2013 04:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
istandwithmitt:
I suggest you join normal games instead. You played probably the best D1 from all the people. There is a reason players like you and me are being "hated". You made clear cases and managed to say same things in 10 words other people used 500 words on. In addition to that, the cases were spot on (not necessarily 100% correct as on scum, but correct in what you said). You nearly got lynched for it (lol).
I would suggest, if you are not able to be around (or don't know if you will), place your vote at the start of the day. It's a rule and whether or not you like it the rules should be followed.
The 1:1 with vigi scenario, i can understand your point of view, i can understand the other one too. I dunno which is better - as i think rules should be followed - why skip a day phase then if mafia does not win by equaling the town? If people make those kinda rules then there should be a vote race, it's a rule that whoever has the most votes first gets lynched in case of a tie. Nowhere does it say in some scenarios the day phase is skipped. I get the point and i agree with it, but it's pointless to discuss it, draw has been declared already.
^^ very true... fluffy long posts are awfully good for mafia to hide in. If it weren't for his inactivity and not answering other people at all he would have been the scariest town player from a mafia perspective. Too bad it was too easy to flip his attitude/activity on him to the point where most people were just ignoring him.
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He nailed 2/3 mafia on D1. In fucking 5 posts. Just because he does not make long fluff posts does not make him bad or scum. There was no case on him, except for people "not liking him". How is he supposed to defend himself?
Everyone failed to read what he actually said because they didn't like him...
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On October 24 2013 04:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
istandwithmitt:
I suggest you join normal games instead. You played probably the best D1 from all the people.
On October 24 2013 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He nailed 2/3 mafia on D1. In fucking 5 posts. Just because he does not make long fluff posts does not make him bad or scum. There was no case on him, except for people "not liking him". How is he supposed to defend himself?
Everyone failed to read what he actually said because they didn't like him...
I can't tell if you're serious or not.
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On October 24 2013 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He nailed 2/3 mafia on D1. In fucking 5 posts. Just because he does not make long fluff posts does not make him bad or scum. There was no case on him, except for people "not liking him". How is he supposed to defend himself?
Everyone failed to read what he actually said because they didn't like him...
I'm not disagreeing that he was concise and correct... it was just super easy to discredit him because of his attitude..
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On October 24 2013 04:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He nailed 2/3 mafia on D1. In fucking 5 posts. Just because he does not make long fluff posts does not make him bad or scum. There was no case on him, except for people "not liking him". How is he supposed to defend himself?
Everyone failed to read what he actually said because they didn't like him... I can't tell if you're serious or not.
I can quote the posts if you really want to. But what he said about you and SagaZ was 100% correct. I would have lynched you for it if i was in the game.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On October 24 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 04:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On October 24 2013 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He nailed 2/3 mafia on D1. In fucking 5 posts. Just because he does not make long fluff posts does not make him bad or scum. There was no case on him, except for people "not liking him". How is he supposed to defend himself?
Everyone failed to read what he actually said because they didn't like him... I can't tell if you're serious or not. I can quote the posts if you really want to. But what he said about you and SagaZ was 100% correct. I would have lynched you for it if i was in the game.
having correct reads is probably one of the least important mafia skills
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On October 24 2013 05:02 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 24 2013 04:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On October 24 2013 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He nailed 2/3 mafia on D1. In fucking 5 posts. Just because he does not make long fluff posts does not make him bad or scum. There was no case on him, except for people "not liking him". How is he supposed to defend himself?
Everyone failed to read what he actually said because they didn't like him... I can't tell if you're serious or not. I can quote the posts if you really want to. But what he said about you and SagaZ was 100% correct. I would have lynched you for it if i was in the game. having correct reads is probably one of the least important mafia skills
I know, that's why i said in obs QT that he fails in explaining himself and convincing others.
Too bad nowadays "convincing someone" comes with big walls of quotes or with your name being something like marv or Palmar. That's bad.
This is from obs QT at that time:
+ Show Spoiler +raynpelikoneet 10-16-2013 01:52 PM ET (US) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...¤tpage=21#403See, this is one of the best analysis posts in this game whether or not Mitt is right. Should encourage discussion on the matter. I personally noticed another thing in that post he quoted. GGTemplar was basically already working under mindset where he shuts down Mitt, caals him bad and unproductive, instead of inviting him to the discussion by asking him about the specifics of his reads and contributing towards them. He was basically doing the exact same (by his definition anti-town) thing he thinks Mitt was in his posts (which was imo not the case at all). ___________________- 109 iamperfectionPerson was signed in when posted 10-16-2013 12:55 PM ET (US) he picks up his ball and says he is going home every time he posts. ___________________ 108 raynpelikoneet 10-16-2013 12:49 PM ET (US) And i think that post would be scummy if it wasn't a newbie game. :p Can anyone tell me why? ^_^ ___________________ 107 raynpelikoneet 10-16-2013 12:39 PM ET (US) /m105: Actually he is not bad imo. He's just failing to take an approach that suits this game (aka. the current playerbase). On D1 he had clear scumreads with reasoning, if someone doesn't quote every single scummy post and tell "this thing here, it's scummy because XYZ" it does not make them bad. Obviousöly he is failing to explain himself to the current playerbase and that's why he is not doing well, but i can see his intentions behind his posts. It's usually not what people post, it's why they post what they do. Newer players tend to just look at the content and what the post in itself says. If you learn to look "beyond the content" you find town/mafia more effectively. Let's take an example; Mitt's last post is "Can anyone tell me why this post is scummy?". There is a clear motivation in this post. He is challenging fellow players to look into the post he quoted and tell him what they think of it. It's clear that he has already formed some sort of tell from that post. He is probably looking for people who think alike him. I see that as a town!motivated action, while the text he wrote in the post in itself says very little.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
i never make walls of quotes and i'm highly convincing. i just scream "follow me in glorious shenannies" and it works out
clearly you need to try that strategy
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On October 24 2013 05:08 Blazinghand wrote:
i never make walls of quotes and i'm highly convincing. i just scream "follow me in glorious shenannies" and it works out
clearly you need to try that strategy
lol -.-
you have not played with me 6 months ago.. :p
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
seriously though if the tl meta demands that you slap pants on your head and bury your opponent under a mountain of quotes to convince people, then that's what you do. if it demands you come up with shitty policy reasons or write about his meta or fakeclaim cop to lynch him then unclaim afterwards, that's what you do. "convincing people" is a subjective task.
a good example might be this. Suppose everyone at the start of every game would write "I am town" during the first day. Anyone who doesn't do this is looked upon with deep suspicion. now obviously scum can fake this, but still, everyone does it because anyone who doesn't is lynched for being scum.
Here you are in this game, and you can decide whether or not to write "i am town". If you don't write it, YOU WILL BE LYNCHED. It's super dumb that you need to write it, but if you're any good at all you'll write it. you have to. In mafia your goal isn't to be smart, or to follow some ideal of what it means to be a good mafia player.
in mafia, your goal is to win.
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