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Anyone except VisceraEyes, this is what i want you to do on N5, or at last on D6;
Wo is the last scum and why, considering these things:
(1) Solstice payphoning CC. How does the scum actions on D4 make sense regarding that happening?
(2) N4, and CR claiming scum, and the scum actions regarding that.
(3) D5, CR retracting from the scumclaim when seeing Pandain flip and then claiming scum again. The scum guys actions regarding that.
(4) It is clear that D4 onwards scum were bussing and bussing hard. Who is the last scum and why do their actions from D4 onwards make most sense from scum!pov?
VE: One of us is gonna die the next night. You, or if scum have 2 KP they might double stack me. Look closely into those answers, consider what i have said, and if it does make sense when you cross-reference that into other people's answers. If someone does not answer this post, lynch.
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On October 10 2013 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone except VisceraEyes, this is what i want you to do on N5, or at last on D6;
Wo is the last scum and why, considering these things:
(1) Solstice payphoning CC. How does the scum actions on D4 make sense regarding that happening?
(2) N4, and CR claiming scum, and the scum actions regarding that.
(3) D5, CR retracting from the scumclaim when seeing Pandain flip and then claiming scum again. The scum guys actions regarding that.
(4) It is clear that D4 onwards scum were bussing and bussing hard. Who is the last scum and why do their actions from D4 onwards make most sense from scum!pov?
VE: One of us is gonna die the next night. You, or if scum have 2 KP they might double stack me. Look closely into those answers, consider what i have said, and if it does make sense when you cross-reference that into other people's answers. If someone does not answer this post, lynch.If you're super mega concerned about these things, I'll focus on looking through them, but I'm reluctant to focus on why CR might have claimed/unclaimed/reclaimed scum and such over filters and who pushed who when. Especially earlier before all this began.
Whatever has been going on recently with solstice/CR claims, it's either (1) super orchestrated or (2) nonsensical (imo). I'd rather look at things before the point they went nuts.
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On October 10 2013 02:59 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone except VisceraEyes, this is what i want you to do on N5, or at last on D6;
Wo is the last scum and why, considering these things:
(1) Solstice payphoning CC. How does the scum actions on D4 make sense regarding that happening?
(2) N4, and CR claiming scum, and the scum actions regarding that.
(3) D5, CR retracting from the scumclaim when seeing Pandain flip and then claiming scum again. The scum guys actions regarding that.
(4) It is clear that D4 onwards scum were bussing and bussing hard. Who is the last scum and why do their actions from D4 onwards make most sense from scum!pov?
VE: One of us is gonna die the next night. You, or if scum have 2 KP they might double stack me. Look closely into those answers, consider what i have said, and if it does make sense when you cross-reference that into other people's answers. If someone does not answer this post, lynch. If you're super mega concerned about these things, I'll focus on looking through them, but I'm reluctant to focus on why CR might have claimed/unclaimed/reclaimed scum and such over filters and who pushed who when. Especially earlier before all this began. Whatever has been going on recently with solstice/CR claims, it's either (1) super orchestrated or (2) nonsensical (imo). I'd rather look at things before the point they went nuts.
Either an attempt to steer us in the wrong direction, or makes a shit ton of sense
I'm leaning towards the latter atm as I was thinking somewhat similar things.
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One question for me is whether s0lstice was legitimately trying to get Koshi lynched early after his claim. IF he's actually trying to push a Koshi-lynch, like really thinks he can do this, then he's gotta be making legitimate points.
Basically, he has a couple actual reads which we can't entirely trust, but also more situationally-oriented posts like this:On October 07 2013 02:50 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 02:39 Koshi wrote:On October 07 2013 02:34 s0Lstice wrote:On October 07 2013 02:29 Koshi wrote:
The only thing I dont get is why s0lstice ever thought this would work. Like cc is town now or the other scumteam are honest and respectful mafia players. This means the pool of possible scummers get really small. I am almost feeling WoS&Austin same scumteam but that is really crazy.
Like you need 6 votes on me s0lstice. How was that ever going to work unless you had the entirr other scumteam working with you. Like why not try and yet cc lynched... It makes me think you.put all eggs in CC basket and then went full funzies for your last day. But then again, you would get lynched after me. So is this not against your wincon??? You dont win when I am lynched. You just make the other scumteam win...
So yeah. You play vs own wincon or.scumteams are teamed up atm.
Probably last...
I like when scumbags make my argument for me. There's a reason it's hard to find the scum motivation for this. Just humor me and tell me why you do this as scum. As completely illogical as it is. You are last banger and you try to lynch the real cop. How is this going to help your wincon? You agree there is no way? There wouldn't be much motivation for me to do it as the last banger. There is no scenario where it isn't suicide basically that I can see off-hand. That would mean if I am scum, it's gotta be the 3-man team. Even there, like I wasn't in a terrible spot. People suspected me but I don't think I was in any real danger. It doesn't even depend on how much control scum think they have on the game. In the end, if I am lying, I'm dead anyway so it's a one-for-one trade. So either scum feels fucked and they decide to do a bogus cop claim to....what end exactly? A TON would still have to go right for them to have a path to win. The cop would have to get lynched (unlikely), then the other team would need to cooperate (I think? need to look at numbers again) and they would need to miss vests. Or scum feels good and they decide to do an inefficient 1 for 1 trade despite feeling in control? He's scum. He's three man scum. He KNOWS he'll flip eventually and be outed. But is he trying to make sense with this post, be honest, and maybe get Koshi lynched? Or is the mindfuckery already beginning.
IF this reads legitimate to you, it implicates CC. Why would 3 man do this, why would they make the 1 for 1 trade if they feel in control? They wouldn't so there has to be another benefit. The benefit to VA/WoS/CC/me that came out of solstice's thing was that CC looked a little better for outing solstice.
If the mindfuck has already begun, can't trust it anyway.
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If someone claims scum there is a reason for it. We have now 2 scum claimed scum. There is a reason for it. Someone from you four has acted "according to plan", there is a plan.
I want your opinion on who is it and why.
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Guys, I'm actually the cop. There was actually a third cop called the Undercover Agent, which is a secret role that's not announced at the start. I basically get to look at a team's QT if I claim to be on that team. On the banger team, the mafia are pandain/strongnbig/palmer. On the baller team, the mafia are solstice/raynpelikoneet/Wave of Shadow. I don't know how rayn was confirmed as mafia. I think he's another secret role. We're making a big mistake here by lynching me. We have to lynch rayn and WoS, or else we lose.
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On October 10 2013 03:12 Chairman Ray wrote:
Guys, I'm actually the cop. There was actually a third cop called the Undercover Agent, which is a secret role that's not announced at the start. I basically get to look at a team's QT if I claim to be on that team. On the banger team, the mafia are pandain/strongnbig/palmer. On the baller team, the mafia are solstice/raynpelikoneet/Wave of Shadow. I don't know how rayn was confirmed as mafia. I think he's another secret role. We're making a big mistake here by lynching me. We have to lynch rayn and WoS, or else we lose.
The proper way to do this is attach a picture of a baby seal.
Bonus points if you draw it yourself in paint.
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On October 10 2013 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone except VisceraEyes, this is what i want you to do on N5, or at last on D6;
Wo is the last scum and why, considering these things:
(1) Solstice payphoning CC. How does the scum actions on D4 make sense regarding that happening?
(2) N4, and CR claiming scum, and the scum actions regarding that.
(3) D5, CR retracting from the scumclaim when seeing Pandain flip and then claiming scum again. The scum guys actions regarding that.
(4) It is clear that D4 onwards scum were bussing and bussing hard. Who is the last scum and why do their actions from D4 onwards make most sense from scum!pov?
VE: One of us is gonna die the next night. You, or if scum have 2 KP they might double stack me. Look closely into those answers, consider what i have said, and if it does make sense when you cross-reference that into other people's answers. If someone does not answer this post, lynch.
Actually guys, i need to tell VE something important regarding this before the night ends, and there is a possibility that i die, so post your answers before Night ends.
If you think some of these point-of-analysis is not important include the reasoning for it into your analysis.
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On October 10 2013 03:14 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 03:12 Chairman Ray wrote:
Guys, I'm actually the cop. There was actually a third cop called the Undercover Agent, which is a secret role that's not announced at the start. I basically get to look at a team's QT if I claim to be on that team. On the banger team, the mafia are pandain/strongnbig/palmer. On the baller team, the mafia are solstice/raynpelikoneet/Wave of Shadow. I don't know how rayn was confirmed as mafia. I think he's another secret role. We're making a big mistake here by lynching me. We have to lynch rayn and WoS, or else we lose. The proper way to do this is attach a picture of a baby seal. Bonus points if you draw it yourself in paint.
Look at this everybody. This is a scum tactic. He's trying to keep me busy drawing baby seals. We have to lynch him now!
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On October 10 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone except VisceraEyes, this is what i want you to do on N5, or at last on D6;
Wo is the last scum and why, considering these things:
(1) Solstice payphoning CC. How does the scum actions on D4 make sense regarding that happening?
(2) N4, and CR claiming scum, and the scum actions regarding that.
(3) D5, CR retracting from the scumclaim when seeing Pandain flip and then claiming scum again. The scum guys actions regarding that.
(4) It is clear that D4 onwards scum were bussing and bussing hard. Who is the last scum and why do their actions from D4 onwards make most sense from scum!pov?
VE: One of us is gonna die the next night. You, or if scum have 2 KP they might double stack me. Look closely into those answers, consider what i have said, and if it does make sense when you cross-reference that into other people's answers. If someone does not answer this post, lynch. Actually guys, i need to tell VE something important regarding this before the night ends, and there is a possibility that i die, so post your answers before Night ends. If you think some of these point-of-analysis is not important include the reasoning for it into your analysis.
Well since it's likely not 24h day I should be able to get to this. (N5 ends 48-ish hours from now, right?) I'm getting home crazy late tonight and I have a long day in clinic tomorrow.
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Austin FYI none of you guys have pushed any of Solstice/CR/Pandain before N3 end (i mean really pushed -- i don't count some crappy votes or "cases" that were shit), besides Vayne labeling Pandain as scum as soon as Noire ended & Palmar flipped.
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On October 10 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Austin FYI none of you guys have pushed any of Solstice/CR/Pandain before N3 end (i mean really pushed -- i don't count some crappy votes or "cases" that were shit), besides Vayne labeling Pandain as scum as soon as Noire ended & Palmar flipped. Yeah, I agree with this statement.
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Or at least up through N3 I agree with that.
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On October 10 2013 03:08 austinmcc wrote:One question for me is whether s0lstice was legitimately trying to get Koshi lynched early after his claim. IF he's actually trying to push a Koshi-lynch, like really thinks he can do this, then he's gotta be making legitimate points. Basically, he has a couple actual reads which we can't entirely trust, but also more situationally-oriented posts like this: Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 02:50 s0Lstice wrote:On October 07 2013 02:39 Koshi wrote:On October 07 2013 02:34 s0Lstice wrote:On October 07 2013 02:29 Koshi wrote:
The only thing I dont get is why s0lstice ever thought this would work. Like cc is town now or the other scumteam are honest and respectful mafia players. This means the pool of possible scummers get really small. I am almost feeling WoS&Austin same scumteam but that is really crazy.
Like you need 6 votes on me s0lstice. How was that ever going to work unless you had the entirr other scumteam working with you. Like why not try and yet cc lynched... It makes me think you.put all eggs in CC basket and then went full funzies for your last day. But then again, you would get lynched after me. So is this not against your wincon??? You dont win when I am lynched. You just make the other scumteam win...
So yeah. You play vs own wincon or.scumteams are teamed up atm.
Probably last...
I like when scumbags make my argument for me. There's a reason it's hard to find the scum motivation for this. Just humor me and tell me why you do this as scum. As completely illogical as it is. You are last banger and you try to lynch the real cop. How is this going to help your wincon? You agree there is no way? There wouldn't be much motivation for me to do it as the last banger. There is no scenario where it isn't suicide basically that I can see off-hand. That would mean if I am scum, it's gotta be the 3-man team. Even there, like I wasn't in a terrible spot. People suspected me but I don't think I was in any real danger. It doesn't even depend on how much control scum think they have on the game. In the end, if I am lying, I'm dead anyway so it's a one-for-one trade. So either scum feels fucked and they decide to do a bogus cop claim to....what end exactly? A TON would still have to go right for them to have a path to win. The cop would have to get lynched (unlikely), then the other team would need to cooperate (I think? need to look at numbers again) and they would need to miss vests. Or scum feels good and they decide to do an inefficient 1 for 1 trade despite feeling in control? He's scum. He's three man scum. He KNOWS he'll flip eventually and be outed. But is he trying to make sense with this post, be honest, and maybe get Koshi lynched? Or is the mindfuckery already beginning. IF this reads legitimate to you, it implicates CC. Why would 3 man do this, why would they make the 1 for 1 trade if they feel in control? They wouldn't so there has to be another benefit. The benefit to VA/WoS/CC/me that came out of solstice's thing was that CC looked a little better for outing solstice. If the mindfuck has already begun, can't trust it anyway.
The question is do you think if it's legitmate or not? And why? I have already given my analysis of the situation and tbh you look the worst given this Solstice thing because of your "do not lynch into the cops plan". We now know it in fact was a bus. Which kinda bus it was and why? Did scum want Solstice lynched, CC gain town credit from it because of the payphone? If so, why? Did CC need town credit? I want you to tell me this, not ask questions.
I have given scenarios that make sense to me, and WoS & Vayne do not fit into those scenarios. On D5 i have given my analysis on CR and why he claimed scum, and it fits into my analysis from D4. Why am i wrong? What am i missing? I know i am right on the fact that it was a plan by the scum team, and the plan was to keep Pandain alive for the extra KP. You can't deny that, or if you will, tell me why? Why would scum out themselves when there are at least one confirmed townie + 1 unconfirmed person who will push Pandain lynch on D4? What gives? How do scum benefit from outing themselves? Not only once but twice.
What's the point of CR retracting from his scumclaim on D5? Pandain flipped, that's the obvious reason. If you disagree with this, why? And why would he claim scum again later on? What's the point of not fighting?
I have answers, but i can't say i am 100% sure. I know one of you has the answers because one of you is scum. I want to see what you make of the situation because at this poinst there is going to be 6 different analysis and only one of them is from scum. I want to analyze the scenarios to have a better overall view of how different people engage these situations and why.
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I mean, i know how all of you guys approached this. Now i want the thought process behind your actions, given that the situation is what it is. How have things changed in light of new events?
I could understand each of WoS/Vayne/CC thought process on D4. On D5 i can't understand CC either, and you Austin look a bit better. I am 90% sure one of Austin/CC is scum. I do not know which one of you it is. That's why i am trying to understand. I also want WoS/Vayne to help the town to make it 100% sure they are town (or make it 10% -> 100% they are scum).
Town has lost the past games because they got sloppy. Do not get fucking sloppy now.
I have read all of your filters from start to finish. I can't find anything before N3 that makes anyone scum. People interact with scumbuddies or do not interact with them. I can't tell anything from those actions, given that this is a multi-scumteam game. That's why i think D4 -> is important. Of course if you find something and disagree, point out why i am wrong.
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On October 10 2013 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 03:08 austinmcc wrote:One question for me is whether s0lstice was legitimately trying to get Koshi lynched early after his claim. IF he's actually trying to push a Koshi-lynch, like really thinks he can do this, then he's gotta be making legitimate points. Basically, he has a couple actual reads which we can't entirely trust, but also more situationally-oriented posts like this: On October 07 2013 02:50 s0Lstice wrote:On October 07 2013 02:39 Koshi wrote:On October 07 2013 02:34 s0Lstice wrote:On October 07 2013 02:29 Koshi wrote:
The only thing I dont get is why s0lstice ever thought this would work. Like cc is town now or the other scumteam are honest and respectful mafia players. This means the pool of possible scummers get really small. I am almost feeling WoS&Austin same scumteam but that is really crazy.
Like you need 6 votes on me s0lstice. How was that ever going to work unless you had the entirr other scumteam working with you. Like why not try and yet cc lynched... It makes me think you.put all eggs in CC basket and then went full funzies for your last day. But then again, you would get lynched after me. So is this not against your wincon??? You dont win when I am lynched. You just make the other scumteam win...
So yeah. You play vs own wincon or.scumteams are teamed up atm.
Probably last...
I like when scumbags make my argument for me. There's a reason it's hard to find the scum motivation for this. Just humor me and tell me why you do this as scum. As completely illogical as it is. You are last banger and you try to lynch the real cop. How is this going to help your wincon? You agree there is no way? There wouldn't be much motivation for me to do it as the last banger. There is no scenario where it isn't suicide basically that I can see off-hand. That would mean if I am scum, it's gotta be the 3-man team. Even there, like I wasn't in a terrible spot. People suspected me but I don't think I was in any real danger. It doesn't even depend on how much control scum think they have on the game. In the end, if I am lying, I'm dead anyway so it's a one-for-one trade. So either scum feels fucked and they decide to do a bogus cop claim to....what end exactly? A TON would still have to go right for them to have a path to win. The cop would have to get lynched (unlikely), then the other team would need to cooperate (I think? need to look at numbers again) and they would need to miss vests. Or scum feels good and they decide to do an inefficient 1 for 1 trade despite feeling in control? He's scum. He's three man scum. He KNOWS he'll flip eventually and be outed. But is he trying to make sense with this post, be honest, and maybe get Koshi lynched? Or is the mindfuckery already beginning. IF this reads legitimate to you, it implicates CC. Why would 3 man do this, why would they make the 1 for 1 trade if they feel in control? They wouldn't so there has to be another benefit. The benefit to VA/WoS/CC/me that came out of solstice's thing was that CC looked a little better for outing solstice. If the mindfuck has already begun, can't trust it anyway. The question is do you think if it's legitmate or not? And why? I have already given my analysis of the situation and tbh you look the worst given this Solstice thing because of your "do not lynch into the cops plan". We now know it in fact was a bus. Which kinda bus it was and why? Did scum want Solstice lynched, CC gain town credit from it because of the payphone? If so, why? Did CC need town credit? I want you to tell me this, not ask questions. I have given scenarios that make sense to me, and WoS & Vayne do not fit into those scenarios. On D5 i have given my analysis on CR and why he claimed scum, and it fits into my analysis from D4. Why am i wrong? What am i missing? I know i am right on the fact that it was a plan by the scum team, and the plan was to keep Pandain alive for the extra KP. You can't deny that, or if you will, tell me why? Why would scum out themselves when there are at least one confirmed townie + 1 unconfirmed person who will push Pandain lynch on D4? What gives? How do scum benefit from outing themselves? Not only once but twice. What's the point of CR retracting from his scumclaim on D5? Pandain flipped, that's the obvious reason. If you disagree with this, why? And why would he claim scum again later on? What's the point of not fighting? I have answers, but i can't say i am 100% sure. I know one of you has the answers because one of you is scum. I want to see what you make of the situation because at this poinst there is going to be 6 different analysis and only one of them is from scum. I want to analyze the scenarios to have a better overall view of how different people engage these situations and why. How is the solstice lynch a bus? Like, the only person that could "bus" solstice is CC making a fake payphone claim.
As far as the rest of the game, half you guys weren't willing to consider that solstice COULD be the cop, so what does scum gain from "bussing" like that? EVERYONE is in a single pocket, there's no cred for x or y except for cc.
If the goal is to bus solstice, then I DON'T make sense, because you seem to think I came out looking WORSE for the day. You're suggesting that, if I'm scum, our team decided we would toss away solstice and that I would play to look scummier for the day. That's not a bus, in my mind. And it's not a bus for WoS or VA, because they don't come out looking particularly anti-solstice there. If you actually think bus, you think CC, imo.
Honestly, CR either claims to keep the other team alive OR because the claim/unclaim thing looks very much like his town games. The reason he got lynched in town games is fake votes on people he thinks are town, to see if scum will try to mislynch those guys, and little tricks like that.
It was a little late in the game to suddenly do that, but...the claim/unclaim thing is honestly the towniest-CR thing that CR has done. I don't think it's necessarily to confuse people or protect x or y, it may very well be because THAT POST looks like town CR, and he's not entirely wrong that scum has no reason to claim scum. So...I disagree with the premise that CR is claiming so as to protect or influence someone else, and I think it's more likely he's trying to protect himself.
Yes, the lynch was probably pandain or CR today, and his claim helps cement it on himself. And his unclaim and dick around fits either scenario - no way to protect pandain OR no more ability to make yourself look townie and get the lynch ON pandain.
Currently of the mindset that it's NOT scum trying to save pandain, because they were at 2-1, and if we lynch CR for claiming scum, teams are at 1-1. I don't think DRB wants to save Pandain so much that they're willing to sac their numbers advantage. They now are in a worse position relative to town AND the other mafia team. So I believe that CR's claim was for his own benefit, trying the claim/unclaim thing to try and appear town.
(Yes, you read that correctly)
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Still interested in this cheesecake
On October 10 2013 02:50 austinmcc wrote:Cheesecake, what were you referencing in this post: Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 00:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Final thought; S0lstice talking about mafia teams getting in contact with each other. Suspect as fuck.
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Another thing i would like to have answered is this:
BlazingHand was hit N1. I was pretty surprised as only people (besides now confirmed town) he called scum was WoS. Why was Blazinghand hit? He wanted me dead. Noone used that against me from that point on while they could have. Not even Palmar. Could this incriminate WoS and if so, why? Why has noone brought this up at any point in this game?
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Yeah the thing about CR's play is, like I mentioned earlier, it looked a great deal like his newbie town play, and like I said eventually he would attempt to use it to his advantage. Turns out it was this game.
CR I do hope you know you can't act the newbie any more now, ever, because nobody will believe you. 
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On October 10 2013 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing i would like to have answered is this:
BlazingHand was hit N1. I was pretty surprised as only people (besides now confirmed town) he called scum was WoS. Why was Blazinghand hit? He wanted me dead. Noone used that against me from that point on while they could have. Not even Palmar. Could this incriminate WoS and if so, why? Why has noone brought this up at any point in this game?
Wat.
Are you serious?
Part of the reason I was so sure of FT is because BH was going after him for much of the day!
BH was pinning down FT for scum, and I honestly don't even remember him calling me as such.
Where are you getting this?
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