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Could heavenz maybe be SK? His overall attitude is sorta seems like "$@#$ it all" which I wouldn't expect of mafia or town. Perhaps his odd play could be a result of clumsily attempting to harm both teams? I do agree that him and jonnylaw did tunnelvision onto me in a way I found surprising, but I'm not feeling Jonny as scum, especially if playerboy is.
I think we should lynch playerboy, he's the scummiest player right now, and if we're right and he flips scum it makes it much more likely that both jonny and myself are town, as it would be very odd for us to buss a teammate before there was any real pressure on him in the first place. I also feel like his defense feels too tense and angry, a townies defense should be colored by the fact that they want to stop the town from making a mistake, they want to live not only because they want to survive, but more importantly because killing them will hurt the town. I know my feeling when defending myself was "Oh crap, we really can not afford to lynch another townie, I really need to convince them they're making a mistake." Playerboy's whole attitude is more tense, aggressive and combative then I'd expect from someone in this mentality.
Zaragon, I was thinking about your point that playerboy is oddly aggressive as a first time mafia. That is true, but passivity among inexperience mafia is a rule that is not without exception, especially since it is so well know. I could see someone with a naturally aggressive playstyle deciding that they'd avoid looking like mafia by wildly attacking the first person they could. Add to the fact that he's tried his absolute best to discredit you, when you are arguably the town leader. It actually seems like a decent plan when playing with fellow newbies, if you can pull it off you'll start off a disfuntional debate that is totally misdirected, and maybe even get someone who is deeply pro-town lynched and break the back of the town while at it.
It is possible that Playerboy is simply a misguided and overagressive townie, but I'm not feeling it. Most of his posts have been low on content, and I haven't liked the logic on many of his arguments, when he actually does post.. (If people would like I can post a point by point, but it's late and I don't want to do it now, and honestly I don't think it's necessary.)
I think I want to go back and read through the filters of some of our lower key players and see if I can get any reads, because I feel like we have at least one scum player who hasn't fallen under suspicion yet. Going to bed now, it's 1:30 AM and I have stuff to do tomorrow morning.
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Yeah, the entire game seems to be kinda dead. I hope more people show up soon.
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Hey guys, this whole chain of events has left me a little confused, I'm going to have to spend some time reading through it, but I'll try to have something by the end of the night. Zaragon, since you expect to die tomorrow, are you going to share your cop read at some point tonight.
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Ah, alright, didn't know if an unclaimed should come out. I will then: I'm a town roleblocker, I suspected heavenz and playerboy night one, and decided to block heavenz last minute over playerboy.
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I think you are, give me a minute
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Yeah, 7 rolls
C would give us a 1- Shot cop We know we have a 1 shot vigi and a Town RB from flips so thats VB
CVB
if heavenz and I are both legit, that would require a VVVBBBC, which would be the max number of town power roles. Mafia would consist of a RB and a godfather. There wouldn't be an SK and a doctor is impossible.
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Wow I'm an idiot. Thought VT was vigilante. I don't understand the point of claiming vanilla town though, isn't that the assumption unless claimed otherwise.
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Because there would need to be an unclaimed 1-shot doctor and an explanation for why there was only one NK last night, the odds of an SK are quite low. Focus on the mafia, they are a much greater threat.
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You're right about the doctor, I made a mistake, but why would SK say he was RBed? If I didn't RB him tonight and there were two kills, it would practically guarantee everyone knew he was anti-town. His best bet would be to claim vigi who made a mistake, but still it would be really shaky, and he would have been better off staying out of it in the first place. I would say the odds are good that I get RBed and Zaragon dies.
Also, random question, I don't exactly follow why everyone is so sure I'm town after I claimed. I presume there's a reason but what is it?
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Or maybe that's just what I want you to think (; WIFOM POWERS ACTIVATE
I'm pretty sure that due to his death, his RB wouldn't go through unless he RBed his killer, in which case he'd survive. Also, I'm probably going to burn my 2k post on this thread T.T
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Quick point Koshi: If you and heavenz are both telling the truth about being RBed, there must be a town roleblocker. One town roleblocker died last night one, so he didn't get an RB off, and we have two people claiming they got roleblocked. Scum can only have one roleblocker, therefore there are almost certainly 2 town roleblockers and 1 scum roleblocker. If I wasn't actually town RB, someone else would be, and they'd have called me on it.
Secondly, I'm pretty sure the godfather thing was a slip up. Pretty much everyone else believes me, and if I'm telling the truth there must be a GF, putting us at BBBCVTT (The other thing was a mistake because I thought heavenz was claiming vigilante, not vanilia town.)
Heavenz, this seems like the desperate ranting of a doomed mafioso. Ignoring the words and looking at the actions you'll notice that you've been a leading member of both of the bandwagons, while also being by far the scummiest around them. Also, considering my RB claim and the events surrounding it, there's a pretty solid chance I'm town. So one might wonder, why would you attack me? Well here's an interesting list of the people who aren't almost certainly town:
Heavenz Playerboy Balla
This was your big epic post, designed to redirect the attention of the town. You couldn't risk targeting your scumbuddy with it, forcing you to go after someone who was known to be likely town, not when tomorrow is LYLO. You've basically zeroed in on my from day one, which means to me that just about every lynch you've advocated was wrong, You've been very aggressive and certain about each and every one of them, unlike say...Zaragon who's declining confidence is palpable . You've lead the town on every bandwagon and now you're trying to do it again. It isn't going to work.
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EBWOP: I forgot to say this explicitly, but it's strongly implied by my post: Playerboy/Heavenz mafia.
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You guys are going to kill me for this, but I didn't send the block out, however presumably I would have been RBed myself, so it isn't really that relevant.
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Yeah, I screwed up I'm sorry. Monday is a busy day for me and I was doing stuff at the deadline. Like I said we probably wouldn't have gotten any info anyway though, so no worries. If we get mafia today, they won't be able to RB and kill in the same night even if the RB is alive (I think) so I'll be able to stop the kills.
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Oh god, sorry guys. I don't know what to say, I really really messed up.
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Okay, came up with a plan to redeem myself: If you guys decide that I'm part of a scumteam, lynch the other guy first. This can't hurt anyone because we know there are no other town roles for me to roleblock, even if I was the scum roleblocker. Next night, I'll roleblock whoever I think is scum, and one of two things will happen: I'll make a mistake, block a townie, and they'll confirm they were blocked and there will still be a nightkill. A mafia roleblocker wouldn't be able to NK and RB the same night, so that proves I'm a townie roleblocker. I'll get it right, and nobody will die and nobody will get a roleblock PM.
The only other possiblities would revolve around scum not using their NK to make this test not work, which is still a net gain for town.
Would this work?
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Also, did anyone get a roleblock PM? I didn't, which is weird.
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Well shit. Either way I seem to have lost the game for my team with a monumental misplay. Don't know what to do to convince you. Really sorry guys, I ****ed this one up. Trying to think of some evidence to give you that I'm town, but it probably isn't there. I am extremely pissed that my frigging forgetfulness may well cost the town this game, and would have lost me my blood bowl game if my opponent wasn't a nice guy.
Trying to think of reasoning to prove I'm not scum, but I just don't think there is anything at this point.
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The only things I can think of are
1. The only three pairings I could be in are Me/Balla Me/Heavenz and Me/Playerboy. If you in any way think it's the latter two, kill the other guy, they'll flip scum and I'll prove to you I'm town the next night. As for me/balla, I just don't see that one. Balla is just so infinitely less scummy than the other two it's not funny. The only reason you think he might be scum is cuz I ****ed up hardcore, and me and the other two don't really make sense. At all. 2. If I was scum you would have been dead a long time ago. I thought mafia was going to kill you night one, end of story. You've been, and still are the greatest threat to the mafia, and they would have been much better off if someone else had lived and you had died.
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Also, if heavenz is town and I'm mafia, why would I have claimed town RB only to make him more credible? There wasn't a point to it. What was my goal as mafia in this whole thing? What went wrong, what was the payoff for claiming? I don't see the motive. I convinced you lot I was town for maybe 20 hours in which you were powerless anyway. I wasn't really under suspicion, why not just fly under the radar?
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