EPTOn September 14 2013 04:48 Koshi wrote:
^ WoS also not voting it seems.
^ WoS also not voting it seems.
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On September 13 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Debears, i have a question for you. This is SnB's post about me and his notes: (1): Do you agree with what SnB says here? Having played with me in Desert. Because as town, when i get into the bad tunnel mode (which usually happens) am i then "pushing the town forward"? (2) & (4): This is SnB's first post in Aperture mafia: + Show Spoiler + On August 30 2013 23:47 strongandbig wrote: Hey DI I'd rather do all three of the things you said than the one you didn't. Anyway: This one is so clearly wrong it kind of makes me want to kill wos. Cora was obviously butthurt, but he also had posts where he was trying to play the game. neither of those points to jester. What's the thought process here? It really feels like saying something just for the sake of saying it. More importantly, VE what happened to this? BH is clearly not playing to his town "persona". As well as not responding to alakaslam like I would expect. I'm really not sure why but I'm thinking it might be alignment indicative. Also, No one else reveal their item names. One last thing - Ryan is town. Scum I'm giving you this townread for free to help direct your night kills plz kill him. This is SnB's post from Aperture mafia post game: + Show Spoiler + On September 11 2013 23:35 strongandbig wrote: Rayn you were obvy town to anyone who played with you in our previous game. Getting shot by scum N2 always makes me feel good as a townie but this puts me on a pretty impressive losing streak. I think it's like four or five in a row? Cba to check ATM. Tbh though I don't feel bad about pretty much anything I did this game except forgetting to use my role night 1. The hassy lynch was unfortunate but given the claims from him and Kita plus his filter I think it was the right choice. I was totes right that alakazam should have been the second lynch that day, lame that he wasn't but since he ragequit or whatever that was okay. I was also right about VE not being town and the rest of my reads were not too bad. Oh also I really don't know why people are saying the axle lynch was so bad. I was dead by that point, but how it looked to me was that he'd been trying to get other people to go along with an unknown plan the whole game, then when he was under pressure from town to reveal what it was he just shut up and afk'd. Seriously if he had just claimed before going to sleep or if he'd showed up again before deadline there's no way he would've been lunched, but just shutting up made it seem like town had no choice but to lunch him. Now that you have read the posts, compare it to SnB's post this game, does this support the argument i am "hard to read" for SnB? (3): I argued about OP's questions because i thought they were bad. SnB is saying me arguing about them is scummy (so he thinks the questions were good then i assume?). If the questions were good in his opinion, why does he not bring up the fact that NOBODY other than ayne in fact answered OP? SnB didn't HIMSELF answer OP's questions. (5): Look at his notes (spoilered in his post). What do you see? Right, notes about me. Nothing else. Why is he so fixated in me and nothing else in this game? And even if that can be explained, why is his conclusion of me (the rest of his post) full of invalid arguments and in fact there is no conclusion at all.. Do you think SnB's post is "insightful" and "good"? Because (in addition, given the timing of the post) to me the post is full of crap and scummy. let me answer these things. [1] If someone disagrees with my interpretations of your meta and the difference between your scum and town games, they have yet to say so. It really boils down quite simply to "you fuck up the thread and argue constantly as both alignments, but when you're scum you do so over things that don't matter / over misinterpretations or nitpickings of peoples' posts" [2] answered this already. you're obviously nitpicking a single game here, when i've played 2-3? games in a row with you and many more total. Plus, you're nitpicking in terms of reasoning. I didn't give any reasoning at all in those posts you quoted, how do you know it was anything but a gut read which happened to be right (hint: it was that). If you came across as so obviously town in aperture and i don't get a town feeling from you at all this game, probably means either (1) I was telling the truth about you being hard to read, or (2) you're not town this game and you really are easy for me to read. But this is the central point you've been ranting about for like twenty pages, and it's completely a nitpick. 3 I never said OP's questions were good. I don't give a single fuck about those questions. I said your argument about them with vayne or wos or whoever was a bad argument that you were having for bad reasons. Whether or not OP's questions were good, you spent several pages quibbling about them when the game had moved along quite far after the questions, and nothing productive was gained by you going back-and-forth about them. You're nitpicking and making up reasons to go after me again. [5] Only notes about you? 3 out of 9 notes in that post were about you. you're making shit up to support your scumread on me again and hoping nobody catches you. | ||
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Pandain
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I think Zealos is hugely duspicious and worthy of a lynch. He comes in and says he won't contribute, but gives bland reasoning that shows he's not actually interested in helping town. On September 13 2013 21:50 Zealos wrote: That's my name IRL. I haven't posted much, that is true, but I have had a busy few days from college, and tbh, I find Day 1's a bit of a clusterfuck anyway. I much prefer to look things over once a couple of people are dead. Not a great excuse, but eh. Trying to play "don't care townie" card On September 13 2013 21:55 Zealos wrote: I don't really know how I can prove that I'm town at this point. I would argue that SnB looks Scummy, while I just look useless, so logic dictates that killing SnB is the best for today, then deciding on me tomorrow, after a bit more time has passed. If he was town, he would be saying he doesn't even need analysis that shouldn't even be a question. I also agree with this statement of blub in regards to Zealos. On September 13 2013 22:13 blubbdavid wrote: I do not like the fact that Zealos is jumping on the wagon so quickly, without much analysis. Rayn, it may make sense that you feel offended by SnB's posting, but him questioning your meta is not helpful for scum except for making the main speaker (which you are) look bad. As he said on his big post, he is undecided about you. The only thing I could hold against him is that he wants to see Panda dead. On September 14 2013 02:49 Zealos wrote: I'm pretty sure "starting on" the least active player in the game is a safe bet as scum, just saying~ Also, pls guys, my name is above my posts and at the start of the game. ZEALOS /=/ Zealous : D This is like 4 pages later? Showing he still follows thread but note he hasn't contributed shit so far at all. I think zealous is suspicious, I think WoS is suspicious, Oats is supsicious(trying to do lynch which isn't going to happen) . I don't know if blub is really bad, but I can't exactly say he's playing scummy. It seems like a typical "man this guy isn't making any logical sense" lynch into oh shit he's town. Kush so far hasn't contributed shit. Sorry, hasn't done literally anything. Has admitted he doesn't want to do read the thread, shows he doesn't care, and shows that in the future he won't care. He will be annoying to deal with and town WILL eventually lynch him later if we don't lynch him today. Instead we should lynch the person who we're going to end up lynching for the same reasons anyway now; deal with blubbers later when we obtain more information, and play it safe. SnB isn't scum, blubbers seems bad but not certain enough for scum. Zealos also seems scum but again I think we need more information. Two flips(assuming two kp although there might be three) tomorrow will grant us more than enough information to lynch someone. | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:49 Koshi wrote: Also. I am certain that Kush is not scum. Please remove votes from him. Pandain? Old Partner? He seems scum to me because contrary to what you guys say is his "dont' give a shit" style, he attempted to become townie, probably because he can't just yolo away and fuck himself if he is scum. Still hasn't done anything, and while this is circumstantial the fact that no real support for an obvious lynch like this is indicative that there's not a bandwagon. Instead actually the two most logical people are the ones supporting this. Isn't that weird? | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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On September 14 2013 04:52 Pandain wrote: To sum up in essence why Rayne's analysis of SnB is flawed:
I think Zealos is hugely duspicious and worthy of a lynch. He comes in and says he won't contribute, but gives bland reasoning that shows he's not actually interested in helping town. Trying to play "don't care townie" card If he was town, he would be saying he doesn't even need analysis that shouldn't even be a question. I also agree with this statement of blub in regards to Zealos. This is like 4 pages later? Showing he still follows thread but note he hasn't contributed shit so far at all. I think zealous is suspicious, I think WoS is suspicious, Oats is supsicious(trying to do lynch which isn't going to happen) . I don't know if blub is really bad, but I can't exactly say he's playing scummy. It seems like a typical "man this guy isn't making any logical sense" lynch into oh shit he's town. Kush so far hasn't contributed shit. Sorry, hasn't done literally anything. Has admitted he doesn't want to do read the thread, shows he doesn't care, and shows that in the future he won't care. He will be annoying to deal with and town WILL eventually lynch him later if we don't lynch him today. Instead we should lynch the person who we're going to end up lynching for the same reasons anyway now; deal with blubbers later when we obtain more information, and play it safe. SnB isn't scum, blubbers seems bad but not certain enough for scum. Zealos also seems scum but again I think we need more information. Two flips(assuming two kp although there might be three) tomorrow will grant us more than enough information to lynch someone. Damn do I like this dude | ||
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SnB will result in town, if you guys lynch him than the only good thing that will happen is you will realize to listen to me for once. We can win this game if we play it safe and smart, rely around obtaining information and then good scum-hunting. I advocate lynching Kush because town has to deal with him eventually and it'll result in a lynch anyway of him later on. | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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On September 14 2013 04:55 Pandain wrote: He seems scum to me because contrary to what you guys say is his "dont' give a shit" style, he attempted to become townie, probably because he can't just yolo away and fuck himself if he is scum. Still hasn't done anything, and while this is circumstantial the fact that no real support for an obvious lynch like this is indicative that there's not a bandwagon. Instead actually the two most logical people are the ones supporting this. Isn't that weird? My main problem is that he said "ill read and make reads" Then says "I won't do it don't have time", but continues to post stupid shit Then votes GK, who was never in the main discussion for lynch, and whom also got replaced. Kush is usually in the main thick of things as town (despite how good or bad his contributions are), which he isn't doing at all here | ||
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oh really? In got you were scum and had 23 pages of aggressive, argumentative, quibbly, nitpicky filter where you pushed mislynches and ran the thread into the ground. how is that different from what you're doing here? | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:57 Pandain wrote: Kush is the play it safe option, we won't really gain any more information on him as indicative of what he's posted. Has clearly indicated he's not going to read the thread(keeps posting currently without effort to read). Scum aren't going to kill him and we shouldn't waste a vig when we can use it for late-game scenarios. SnB will result in town, if you guys lynch him than the only good thing that will happen is you will realize to listen to me for once. We can win this game if we play it safe and smart, rely around obtaining information and then good scum-hunting. I advocate lynching Kush because town has to deal with him eventually and it'll result in a lynch anyway of him later on. Can you explain hoe kushmasta is "unreadable" or whatever you think? I think kushmasta has contributed way more to the game than SnB has. | ||
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On September 14 2013 04:58 Papa_Smurf wrote: My main problem is that he said "ill read and make reads" Then says "I won't do it don't have time", but continues to post stupid shit Then votes GK, who was never in the main discussion for lynch, and whom also got replaced. Kush is usually in the main thick of things as town (despite how good or bad his contributions are), which he isn't doing at all here He also seems, as evidenced by his post two above, that he honestly doesn't care(doesn't make sense if he's town), or he's trying to seem like he doesn't care and thus justify an anti-town playstyle (makes sense if scum, not if town). | ||
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Papa_Smurf
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On September 14 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you explain hoe kushmasta is "unreadable" or whatever you think? I think kushmasta has contributed way more to the game than SnB has. HAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA | ||
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Koshi
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Oats plays solo as town. He never consolidates and picks his target. He ends up being the only one voting for a person a lot. I remember Titanic. Kush you are seriously going to ask people to vote for you? Can I reveal who I think you are? | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:00 Koshi wrote: Pandain Oats plays solo as town. He never consolidates and picks his target. He ends up being the only one voting for a person a lot. I remember Titanic. Kush you are seriously going to ask people to vote for you? Can I reveal who I think you are? Please don't give scum extra info unless 1) you are certain the info you reveal will make him look town 2) He is the leading candidate 3) if 2 is not the scenario, but it's close and time is running short | ||
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Also Pandain you think there will be 3 flips in the night??? Wtf SK, Vigi and Scum? | ||
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