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Koshi
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 12 2013 22:46 Koshi wrote: Grack says that because he never has strong reads on Day 1 it looks scummy to him that VA is capable to have strong reads. Grack questions VA about it and then drops his suspicion on VA because he accepts that VA is different than him and possible can have strong reads early on. You disagree? Yes i disagree, here is Grackaroni's post: On September 12 2013 08:01 Grackaroni wrote: In all seriousness, you need to explain why you are confident SnB is town already this early in the game. Can you give me some reasoning? Vayne's reasoning is right there. In the post Grack quoted. The question is worthless in the first place. How can you not accept that someone can have strong reads early on in the first place? Instead of thinking this as a possibility Grack calls VA scum for having a strong read (when in fact VA just plays differently). There is nothing suspicious in Vayne having a read. Grack never calls out Vayne's reasoning, he calls out the read. TLDR; He is saying "you can't have this read and therefore you are scum" until many people point out that's stupid. Then he covers it up by saying "oh, he just plays differently than i do". Like what? When you enter a game do you assume everyone has the same mindset you do? | ||
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Sn0_Man
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Sn0_Man
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PS yes I'm going to be sour about last game for the foreseeable future PPS Hows grack a real lynch candidate today? That guy is posting, generating discussion and not-retarded as far as I can tell. He's rapidly approaching dead last on my lynch-today list. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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kushm4sta
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On September 12 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote: Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got. Scum are given fake claims though! | ||
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Grackaroni
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On September 12 2013 21:31 blubbdavid wrote: Atm I have three scumreads: Koshi, Grack and Kush Koshi for aforementioned reasons. Kush for his valuable contributions. And Grack: I disagree here with points 1,3,4,5 1. wut 3. have you already made out of thread investigation, Grack? 4. wut 5. you two should be lynched because of scum behaviour, not because you are bad Defending your scum comrade much, leaving him to the vig, if there is one? Hey scumrade, since you're here and in the scum QT anyway, why don't we press together against Pandain? Can you help me find more stuff so that it looks legit. There is so much wrong with this post. Firstly I'm suspicious of people who come in and say that Kush has one of the best chances to flip mafia when not everybody has even posted.(I could have a scum read on kush through process of elimination) If town he is the go to mislynch for mafia and I think that mafia are more-likely to push on somebody like kush. Other players have suggested to policy lynch him (also scummy imo, especially if you have no other scum read), but saying he is likely mafia is even scummier to me. In response to Blubbdavid's case: You think I'm wrong, great, Both townies and mafia can be wrong. Vigging kush is the correct play(unless he starts playing the game), its not even a discussion. Why wouldn't I want other peoples opinions on my case if I'm town? How am I supposed to get reads otherwise? He is throwing shit on me only because I have already had shit thrown against me from other players. This post in particular isn't analyzing both possibilities of me being mafia or town, (I could be town and want other players opinion, lots of people in other games have said the same thing I said about kush without being on a scumteam with him) I think Blubbdavid decided beforehand. I'm going to put a scumread on Grack, and then searched through my filter for things he could twist into me being scum. | ||
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Grackaroni
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On September 13 2013 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: How's Grack generating discussion? The way i see it is that he is the topic of discussion. I generated lots of discussion on Pandain. You just chose to ignore it and shift the topic to OP. I don't think OP's questions were particularly useful but it was early in the game so I'm fine with that, what bothers me about him is that he is posting in a manner that makes me not want to read him. If he doesn't start consolidating posts I will be much less confident about his alignment. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 13 2013 00:19 Grackaroni wrote: I generated lots of discussion on Pandain. You just chose to ignore it and shift the topic to OP. I don't think OP's questions were particularly useful but it was early in the game so I'm fine with that, what bothers me about him is that he is posting in a manner that makes me not want to read him. If he doesn't start consolidating posts I will be much less confident about his alignment. That's what i am saying about him. Thousand words that say nothing. Also could you comment on what i asked you to elaborate on, and the other things i wrote about you? | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9857 Posts
On September 12 2013 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i disagree, here is Grackaroni's post: Vayne's reasoning is right there. In the post Grack quoted. The question is worthless in the first place. How can you not accept that someone can have strong reads early on in the first place? Instead of thinking this as a possibility Grack calls VA scum for having a strong read (when in fact VA just plays differently). There is nothing suspicious in Vayne having a read. Grack never calls out Vayne's reasoning, he calls out the read. TLDR; He is saying "you can't have this read and therefore you are scum" until many people point out that's stupid. Then he covers it up by saying "oh, he just plays differently than i do". Like what? When you enter a game do you assume everyone has the same mindset you do? I hate having to keep going back to this because then jub jubs go, "OH, GRACK'S DEFENDING HIMSELF. SCUM!!!" The reason I talk so much about this in my filter is because PEOPLE KEEP ASKING ABOUT IT. Filter S&B and look at the posts he made prior to me asking him what he thought of Vayne's strong town read on him. It is absolutely inconceivable to me that S&B is incapable of making those posts as scum, so for Vayne to walk in at that point and say he had a strong town read was scummy to me. | ||
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Sn0_Man
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His other options being bad or heavily anti-town. Either way I'm hoping he can come up with something better than pre-flip association accusations based on his assumption that *kush* is scum. Otherwise I'm having a hard time keeping who is who straight since there are all these dumb names like OP and PS and Grak and w/e. | ||
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Grackaroni
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On September 13 2013 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's what i am saying about him. Thousand words that say nothing. Also could you comment on what i asked you to elaborate on, and the other things i wrote about you? Frankly I don't know what you are going on about, I have played with you twice before and I have never been this pro-town before. It's ridiculous that I'm even a point of discussion. I completely shut down WoS' points. Yes, there could be a mafia motivation for me to ask S&B that question There is also a town motivation for me to ask that question, His storyline for me being scum didn't make any sense (if I was scum, I got exactly what I was looking for from S&B and could have pushed Vayne more) so it is more likely coming from a townie. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 13 2013 00:24 Grackaroni wrote: I hate having to keep going back to this because then jub jubs go, "OH, GRACK'S DEFENDING HIMSELF. SCUM!!!" The reason I talk so much about this in my filter is because PEOPLE KEEP ASKING ABOUT IT. Filter S&B and look at the posts he made prior to me asking him what he thought of Vayne's strong town read on him. It is absolutely inconceivable to me that S&B is incapable of making those posts as scum, so for Vayne to walk in at that point and say he had a strong town read was scummy to me. I am a bit lost here. Do you think Vayne is scummy or not, because that's not clear to me? | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9857 Posts
On September 13 2013 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a bit lost here. Do you think Vayne is scummy or not, because that's not clear to me? I'm not sure about Vayne, I'll break it down. I thought Vayne was scummy Multiple people said they understood Vayne's post from a town perspective I realized that Vayne was a different player than myself and moved on to other people Now I have no idea what alignment vayne is and I'm just not going to factor vayne's town read into my read. On September 13 2013 00:26 Sn0_Man wrote: Is blubdavid new? His other options being bad or heavily anti-town. Either way I'm hoping he can come up with something better than pre-flip association accusations based on his assumption that *kush* is scum. Otherwise I'm having a hard time keeping who is who straight since there are all these dumb names like OP and PS and Grak and w/e. Blubbdavid is not new, I have played with him before. | ||
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Grackaroni
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Okay that doesn't sound so hot but what I mean is that he sounds pretty sure of who he htinks is scum and none of them look remotely scummy right now... On September 12 2013 21:31 blubbdavid wrote: Atm I have three scumreads: Koshi, Grack and Kush If you have a scumread on Kush day 1 you are either new (hes not apparently), bad, or scum. Then he's associating shit onto grack and trying to lynch Koshi for being Koshi. These people could be scum but randomly having scumreads on all 3 right now is... pretty questionable. Also grack don't say "I've never been this pro-town before". I'll lynch you for lines like that I think. | ||
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