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On phagga. He looks like he's absolutely trying to get lynched. He just keeps on making these obvious non-towny sentiments in the thread.
On August 08 2013 02:55 phagga wrote:
The reason I objected had to do with the fact hat I tried to figure out geripts intentions and that I think town should be kept on a need to know basis.
This is a really big key for me:
On August 07 2013 16:31 phagga wrote:
Ok, I have my own thoughts on this for later, but I guess it's worth a try.
I'm VT.
Which obviously means that at least one of you two is lying.
You notice that he has no interest in following through on this. He "knows" that one of Oats/me are liars. But his continuation isn't to try and pressure either Oats, myself or Hapa (when he claims). He wants to focus on talking about the plan.
Summary: It looks like he's trying to be lynched aka Jester. At worst, scum trying to be the jester.
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For Mocsta, his automatic initial read of phagga on Jester feels wrong to me. I think he's right that phagga is the jester, but I think he's got there too quick and too obviously.
On August 07 2013 18:24 Mocsta wrote:
so I was actually calling u jester lol....
ima horny and green
so... everyone has claimed, pls post ya logic
This post feels wrong to me too. All the pms were strict role, nothing else. It doesn't feel Mocsta-ish to claim horny and green (greenhorn aka vt) instead of just giving his role. He's also a smart cat. I don't get why he doesn't see the automatic logic behind claiming. His plan that both town and scum want to lynch the lynchproof is ridiculous to me. You can preclude the option of lynching the lynchproof if you only get 1 lynchproof claim. If you get 2 it gets tricky, but there are options to figure out which to lynch and whether to avoid both and instead fire into the VTs. If you get 3 lynchproof claims, then you get to avoid the situation almost entirely.
There's a distinct lack of Mocsta-logic so far as well. I can't put my figure on it, but he's prodding aiming to fire into Oats/Hapa/Me, but he's not getting to the point on anything. Everything he writes feels like he's trying to keep his options open on where to move/pressure instead of trying to actually pressure anyone or anything to divine their alignment.
It's also very interesting to me that his focus seems fully on the jester and the right play around the jester. Sure that's a pivotal point to have town avoid the jester, but it's far more important for scum to avoid jester lynches than it is for town. Town just needs to hit scum. Scum needs to avoid Jester and find room to hide.
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only post #2 hapa? What's up in your world?
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I'm used to seeing more insight from you but the stuff you have on Moc isn't really that damning to me. I'm surprised you don't have better analysis on him really.
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TI3? Would you agree that you're usually more active? What's changed? Like I remember you being reasonably active in hydra nuke edition.
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You see I'm not 100% sold on Mocsta and I too want to see what all he has to say. I've had scum reads on him before and it's flipped in a heartbeat. Not really enough to get real good use of meta already. My problem is that I don't have a real read on you and I can only really judge you by your reads. So do you think phagga is jester or how do you read him? Also what do you think of Oats?
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He's done that as scum though too iirc. It was in the unbalanced nuke game. I don't consider that necessarily a town tell for him at all. And, while I've only skimmed his filter, I don't have an actual read on him. Why does that one post make him probably town when he does that as both alignments?
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I'm not talking about the Hydra Nuke game, I'm talking about the last nuke game. Let me find the reference.
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Nah I'm misremembering the event.
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yah. But he just said fuck alot.
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Mocsta Who are you interested in lynching and why?
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@hapa... how are you feeling right now?
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Where are you coming from? I'm not quite seeing quite where your mind is coming from or going to. Checked some old games and you're looking really different. What's your explanation for the difference?
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Why do you have such a hard time reading me Moc? :sadface:
What do you make of Hapa not really commenting on the plan other than "stupid"
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I don't see why an unlynchable claim makes him the N1 kill. Let's say we mislynch today and hit town. If we have an unlynchable claim it, look at the situation: 1 unlynchable, 1 vt, 1 jester. Those are his available shots; what's the best option for scum? If he hits unlynchable he still has to get a vt lynch or get the day to end on no lynch. So shooting the unlynchable gives him a 50% win ratio then. Whereas, if he hits the jester at night he just has to convince the unlynchable to vote with him instead of the other guy. Seems far more favored to aim for jester.
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On August 08 2013 12:59 Hapahauli wrote:
That's a huge misrepresentation of what I've been posting considering your "plan."
Like I said, every single role wants to claim VT. You seem to think that we should have the unlynchable claim, but that just makes them a target on N1. They can always claim if they're about to get lynched.
I don't see the difference. If you dismiss the plan without explaining why you think it's bad then that's the same to me.
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Oats totes scum that's y I vote oats
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Funny, you're not voting for him hapa
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EPT
