EPTGoT Mafia: Lords and Liars - Page 8
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Obviously this was all largely academic when I thought you had been locked up and Oberyn had watched someone lock you in at home. Now that the latter is no longer corroborative evidence, I am not quite as sure on how to continue. Your contributions have still been extremely subpar, and your style of discourse is not nearly as fluffy as I remember from your previous escapades. For now it doesn't matter as we will kill the rogue Yamato. | ||
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On August 12 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Why didnt you talk with Sharrant instead of outing him? He was already outed? You should come south, my dear Lord Stark. All that cold is freezing your brain to the point of utter uselessness. | ||
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On August 12 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote: He is in your house right? I and I dont think anyone else thought he was the cop before you posted that yamato got checked. Yeah yeah. You're a Blackfyre. Nobody is really this stupid. | ||
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On August 11 2013 21:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats extremely bad play if Sharrant is cop then. Everyone saw Sharrant saying that Acro had VERY good reason to think Yamato is scum. If you, the epitome of dumb can figure it out, then everybody else already had as well. No point in trying to hide it. | ||
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On August 12 2013 23:45 Xatalos wrote: Wait. When did Sharrant tell Acro he had a red check? Was it before or after Oberyn fakeclaimed? Firstly, he claimed at night. Second, I just went over the timestamps and I received the result PM from him before Oberyn posted his claim. | ||
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On August 13 2013 00:22 s0Lstice wrote: Acro, is Rayn scum? Sec, checking scumQT. | ||
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On August 13 2013 00:28 s0Lstice wrote: nah don't think you'll find him there. is he or is he not? I dunno. I'm patiently gathering evidence on him. | ||
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On August 13 2013 00:43 s0Lstice wrote: What was said to you in PMs from the other lords on day 1 that made you unvote Rayn, what about it was compelling to cause the unvote, and what conclusion did you reach in response to those PMs? It's all in yesterday's minutes. I don't think anything much of consequence regarding rayn happened in private that hasn't already been posted here? I went over my PMs, but there isn't anything in there that I haven't already posted. | ||
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On August 13 2013 01:05 s0Lstice wrote: Unless I'm missing it, I don't see any specific details regarding the PMs from johnny and iamp that you cited as cause for your unvote of Rayn. You mentioned that they said your evidence wasn't strong, but were they also telling you he is town because of [reasons]? Insofar as I recall neither of them gave reasons for him being town, they just told me my tunnel was absurd. Maybe I am forgetting something from one of them explaining why he's town, but it was mainly getting yelled at to stop tunneling and start looking at other people. | ||
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On August 13 2013 01:09 Vivax wrote: Acro, stop insulting people please. Since you claimed that one scumread of yours is dead and the other now not suspicious anymore, I have not seen any efforts from you in figuring out who else could be scum. What's your take on Koshi, johnny and S & B? Null leaning town, townish, useless (so probably scum, but I thought the same in PTP where he was useless inactive town, so put a "question mark, but would shoot" there instead). You yourself are about on par with SnB. I am used to you being a giant disruptive presence with decent intuition, but horrible at convinceing people when town. You are clearly not that. Apparently your only redeeming quality is pushing hard for lynching Yamato in private. In the list of utterly shite lurkers you forgot jrkirby. Kush has been so blatantly useless I find it hard to think of him as scum: I'd expect him to be a more careful blendy kind of useless, rather than a "haha, in your face, I'm useless, deal with it". Rayn you'll hear more on when I'm ready. Ace could be scum, but fucked if I know. He hasn't even read the thread yet. No reason to worry about him today. Honestly, I haven't put much effort into today. Between a red check and claiming scum, Yamato is a perfect lynch target, and there's plenty of lurkers who I would be happy to shoot with lordly power. The rest can wait til tomorrow. | ||
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On August 13 2013 01:09 Onegu wrote: Can we shoot Grack tonight he has info it shouldnt be possible for him to have. What is the information he had, but shouldn't have had? Is it that your house wasn't talking to each other? Is that information actually true? (at least at the time) | ||
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On August 13 2013 01:26 strongandbig wrote: okay i'm back after reading the previous ~45 pages of thread. i've been camping with my girlfriend for the weekend. the limited activity was because (1) bad cell reception and more importantly (2) lack of interest in mafia when camping with my girlfriend. I see that people are calling me scum because my activity dropped off, all i'll say to them for now is that if you think occasional inactivity is something I only show in scum games then you're either scum or lazy as fuck. I want to talk specifically to what vivax said about my pms during night 1. It's true that I was very malleable as regards where to send the KP. The plan from iamperfection and rayn was made while I was gone, and I hadn't read the thread at that point. I sent in the KP after reading gumshoe's filter and deciding that he was a good enough choice for a lurker shot, and I sent it as soon as I finished reading the thread because I was something like half an hour late for my assigned time slot, and didn't want to fuck up their plan for sending in the KP sequentially. But anyway, it seems the reason most people have been calling me scum isn't for anything I did, but for stopping paying attention to the game over the weekend. So the best way to shut that down is to start caring/paying attention, no? Yet another paragon of useful contribution. After reading 45 pages you must have something to say about the CONTENT of those pages, no? The Redwyne fleet is ready to sail north and stab you in the face. | ||
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The reason I had that impression must therefore have either come from Oberyn, Yamato, kirby and Onegu's public pronunciations, or it came from Grackaroni, which would be rather damning. I will read the minutes of the relevant parts and report back. For now I withhold judgement of Ser Grack. | ||
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On August 13 2013 03:51 Koshi wrote: Ah yeah. Sorry... Was trying to trap Chrom but that didn't work out well lol...... You were trying to "trap" your own lord by insinuating a Martell was a Lannister? I am intrigued by this plot and would love an explanation of how that works. | ||
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On August 08 2013 15:45 yamato77 wrote: Why would you want me to tell you when you've been so stubborn about NOT telling me? For the record, my house is Oberyn, jrkirby and Onegu. I haven't really talked for very much with any of them, really. On August 08 2013 15:47 yamato77 wrote: I have talked to them, but it wasn't about much aside from who to elect lord and what to do with house powers. Not exactly the most alignment-indicative information. Quite a bit later: On August 09 2013 02:46 yamato77 wrote: I wanted to be lord, but I didn't really have time to exchange PMs until most of the votes had been decided, and Oberyn was chosen. As of right now, I'm not dissatisfied with this. As for the rest of the game, I've only had time to read over it once, and I won't be back until later. Hopefully by then some of this PM drama will be clearer than it is now. However, Onegu states the contrary: + Show Spoiler [Onegu's point of view] + On August 08 2013 17:07 Onegu wrote: Im not. Why do you think I am. Eventually everyone will have to give out reads it is mafia. With my PMs I felt oberyn was town, jrkirby null, and null/scum on you as I only got 2 PMs from you, the first being vote for me Im the best choice as I have the most xp. After out our house I have moved you to null/ town while you outing our house gives scum info, no reason for you as scum to give out the info because scum would already have it. Oberyn enters the discussion with a brief blurb: + Show Spoiler [looong speech] + On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote: Lords and Ladies of Westeros, Allow me to present to you all a bottle of our finest Dornish wine as a sign of good faith. I've even prepared a special blend as a gift to the Lord of Highgarden. Similar to a game of resistance, pulling off a strong day one can spiral the game out of control. If a group of Lords is able to pull off a successful lynch, then they should continue to be elected. Everyone doesn't deserve a turn as Lord. It should go to the most town player, even if they aren't necessarily the most experienced. I believe that the Lord kp can be distinguished from the mafia kp based on the fact that the Lord kp is sent in instantly. We can use our 1-shot HP check ability by checking a target before and after the shot to confirm that the Lord is not lying. We can also use the 1-shot HP check before and after mafia night hits to try to determine who was targeted by the mafia kp and survived. I suggest that if the HP check is used, the Lord share it with 1-2 of their strongest town reads to try to keep the information in a town circle, rather than making easier for the mafia team to pick off players. I'm assuming they have no idea how many kp it's going to take to eliminate a player, so a Lord who uses their 1-shot ability early in day one is going to be suspicious. Lords can also coordinate kp to focus on 1-2 targets that we want to flip. If we use it as a double lynch of sorts, it removes the power from the individuals and places it in the town's hands. It is much more useful for us to have scummy players flip, rather than distribute the kp among multiple targets. With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord. As the identities of the individuals of my house have been revealed, I might as well report what I have found so far. Onegu has been the most willing to discuss things via pm so far. We was willing to vote for me before we even spoke, but I have no issue with that. The only thing I found weird was that he suggested we use our HP check right away, which doesn't seem to really benefit town and would provide information to the mafia team about how they should use their kp. jrkirby seemed pleasant enough, but we really didn't take about much of importance. yamato has come off the first in pms from n0. He wanted to be elected Lord on the basis of experience, but he was very reserved in PMs. Any generic questions that I sent his way to get the conversation going he ignored and called them unimportant. I had thought I caught yamato and jrkirby in a scum slip when kirby said he had sent yamato a few pms, while yamato said he didn't receive any, but it appears that jrkirby had been sending them to yamato, rather than yamato77. Dandel Ion finding himself unable to get elected seems like the most interesting part of the game so far. Was Chrom ever willing to vote for you over himself Dandel? Why is Koshi the one you call scummy, yet sol was the one lying and misrepresenting things? What was he lying about? I'm disappointed I haven't received a PM from one of my fellow Lords. I'll be getting in touch with you shortly. I promise, I don't bite...most of the time. ~ Lord Oberyn of House Martell ~ From this I can see how someone in the public could think that House Martell is not particularly active, but it would in fact be indicative of NOT following the public debate properly and relying mainly on Yamato's viewpoint. While Yamato has said it clearest and most often, both Onegu and Oberyn contradict it. Jrkirby himself is completely silent on the matter. Honestly, I don't think this displays Grackaroni having inside information, as the information is there. While you could make the point that because Yamato is a Blackfyre pretender, this would also be the opinion that prevails in their private channel, you can absolutely not make the case that it is ONLY in private that this information was communicated. I have taken the liberty of going through the annals of Ser Grack's public speeches and see no indication of him being a Blackfyre. He posts very freely and he has ran ahead of himself and blabbed information, not once, but twice, that his House may have wanted to keep private. I feel it is incredibly unlikely that after doing this once and being yelled at and suspected of Blackfyre intentions, a true Blackfyre would repeat the same mistake. It seems more likely a loyalist would make this mistake twice. | ||
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Since then he has disappeared except to come in every now and then to yell that person X or Y is a Blackfyre. In the past, he has always shown a lot of interest in uncovering plots, and while he may not always be the friendliest fellow, he is more useful than he is today. I feel we should really look at Ser Ion tomorrow. Funky stuff happened in Baratheon politics and a Dragon amongst the Stags would explain a lot. The whole house should be scrutinized tomorrow, but Ser Ion should not be given a free pass just because he has been an outspoken loudmouth. He really hasn't said much of anything useful. | ||
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On August 13 2013 04:56 Xatalos wrote: I don't even.. How can my connection with DI be your ONLY reason for suspecting him when you made a whole case against him without even mentioning me at all? Your thought patterns are so full of holes. The reason why nobody took your post seriously was because it was too bad to consider. There have been people suspecting DI all game for different (bad) reasons. The situation hasn't really changed to any direction. Acro isn't even really suspecting him now I think, just softpushing him in case he gets a chance to vote for him at some point. Oh, I'm suspecting him. There's just no point in jumping the gun and yelling HE'S A BLACKFYRE and waving my arms when there are still a minimum of 80 hours before we can do anything about it. | ||
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On August 13 2013 05:06 Xatalos wrote: You haven't taken any hard stances at any point though. You've only made weak lists and softpushed a lot of people. When are you going to start pushing things? Hello Pot, I'm Kettle! | ||
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