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Oats is most likely town and should be listened to. | ||
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Expect a lot of reads after i have actually read the thread. | ||
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Vivax - Has good posts and trying to figre out stuff. On the other hand i feel like something is not right here. I have no idea what it is but i think Vivax is worth looking more closely into. Clarity_nl - Definitely yown. I like his thought process on like everything. Is pushing his reads and doing that hard. IMCaptainJackSparrow - Town, pretty sure of it. His exchange with exarezee was interesting and he came out of it much better looking. I think he should let Oats go and find a mafia target instead. It's not so hard to see Oats is town. Paperscraps - Posting feel genuine and he had good points until his last post. This one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=26#501 , where he says he should not explain why his read on Oats is what it is. That to me seems like he has a read on Oats that he is not able to explain. Bad. Malongo - Purely based on his first post and my experience with him in other games. VayneAuthority - I think Vayne's posting implies he is town. I don't like him not giving out his reads if he thinks someone is mafia, but that's how he rolls on D1 as town. Definitely not worth lynching. Stutters695 - I really liked Stutters' post about Vivax early on. I dunno what makes him think CJS is mafia, and i'm waiting on his case on paperscraps. hzflank - I had a big big red read on hzflank before this: "I did start to prepare a case on Oats yesterday but I cancelled it shortly after starting. As I was writing it I became less sure that Oats was scum and I did not want to post a case that I did not believe in myself. That is fairly normal for me as I seem to be good at convincing myself that someone is not scum." That basically proves that hzflank is town, that is so incredibly genuine. Koshi - Says people should not pressure FT, wrong. People who are scummy should be pressured. His vote on hzflank is horrible, it's clear that he doesn't even think the dude is scum. Other than that he has not done anything that can be considered scumhunting. FirmTofu - Early on says that "we should talk about the game instead of general bullshit", which he has been talking about in his every post before that. Later on he corrects himself that he was talking about RPing, gifs etc. That's as useless as lurker-lynch talk. tsk tsk. CJS posts btw are totally not fluff, they were at time amongst the best in the game. His stance on JAT is fucking weird and his exarezee case accuses him for same things he says about JAT. He is throwing shit left and right but not trying to figure out who are scum with exarezee, who is he voting at. He is not questioning him at all but soft-accusing other people. justanothertownie - I don't think he has said anything useful. His vote on Paper is pretty shitty because paper has at least expressed some reads, which JAT has not done at all. Only thing he has done is to get into a shitfest with Oats, which is not useful thing to do for a townie. exarezee - He has posted a fuckton and he is new. I don't think there is a chance that he is mafia based purely on that. The cases / votes on him are shit, none of those reasons make him mafia. Vivax, who do you actually think is mafia? Where is your head at. I was assuming you to take a town leading status and drive the discussion into important matters. You are staying in the sidelines and not doing much. Why is that? Koshi, all you have done is posted useless lists. Who do you think is scum and why? What is your stance on FirmTofu? Do you still think he is town? FirmTofu, wanna lynch Koshi? Or can you give me reasons to not lynch him? Stutters, you wanna make that case on Paper? ##Vote: FirmTofu Definitely scummiest person so far. His case on exarezee is bad. All the points on him are assumptions that cannot be defended against other than "no, you are wrong". There is no concrete evidence. Then he calls him wishy-washy as exarezee does not have a clear stance on someone. Look at what he says about JAT after that. "I can move my vote on him if you make a good enough case". Right... | ||
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On July 29 2013 04:17 Clarity_nl wrote: rayn your post is just a giant list of thread sentiment, your reason for calling hz town is literally stolen Your thoughts on Malongo and Stutters make no sense to me though, could you expand on them? Malongo seems irritated by the fact he got lynched in the last game and is trying to play better. It seems like he is trying to play for town really hard compared to other games because of how people viewed him in those games. Stutters comes off as town as he noticed the same thing about Vivax i did. I tend to think people who agree with me are town, at least in things that most of the people seem to miss. My list is not based on thread sentiment. Maybe the thread sentiment is correct then if a lot of people agree on things. I think hz's tell is a strong town-tell, it's not stealing from you by any means. I just think alike you in that matter. Do you want to lynch FT? | ||
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I already did that. Do you want to lynch Koshi or not? And why? | ||
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On July 29 2013 04:39 Clarity_nl wrote: Not stolen from me, not that that matters. Are you saying you agree or disagree that your listpost has a lot of thread sentiment in it? If you had read the thread you'd know the answer to that question, no I don't want to lynch him. I don't care if my reads follow the thread sentiment. They seem to do so, yes. What does that say to you? That i am scum because i think like other people in this game do? Does that sound ligical to you, because to me it sounds ridiculous. Why do you think we should lynch Stutters ot Malongo?`If you can point out something that makes one of them scum i'm willing to look closer into it. | ||
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On July 29 2013 04:40 FirmTofu wrote: If Koshi and Paperscraps were the two wagons today, I would definitely lynch Koshi. My biggest scum read is pushing Paperscraps, so I'm hesitant to think Paper is scum. Koshi has done absolutely nothing to convince me he's town. Why does it matter that you biggest scumread is pushing paper? What if you are wrong? Are you ignoring the possibility that Paper is mafia because of pre-flip association? That to me sounds like an excuse to avoid voting for / looking into someone. | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:00 Stutters695 wrote: And reading your part on Malongo Rayn I must say I disagree there. Any continued effort on his part and I'd believe you but one post is not a trend. It wasn't even that good of a post. I can understand your logic but that's null as shit to me. If we can't agree on a lynch I'd totally lynch him today but he's really better left to any vigs we have. Yeah, i agree that if Malongo does not contribute he should be vigged. My townread on him is very slim, but i have seen him not giving shit in any games he has played with me. He can go inactive for a day for any reason, and it's not alignment indicative for him. In last game he shot me right at the game start because i was not in the mason QT in the first hour.. He's not always logical and that does not make him mafia. On July 29 2013 05:02 exarezee wrote: You could look into paper's posts and form a thought on whether he is town or mafia rather than basing it solely on what you think my alignment is. That's my point.. ^^ I would like to hear from Clarity what makes Stutters/Malongo mafia, and why is FT town? I don't see him explaining these things. | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:17 Clarity_nl wrote: If you agreed with SOME popular opinions in the thread then yes, that's perfectly fine. If you agree with ALL popular opinions in the thread (and do not share a unique perspective with the town) then you're either scum just trying to fit in or an unhelpful townie. I don't agree with your reasons for Malongo being town, since if he's scum what you say still applies, but what you're saying about Vivax seems genuine. Am re-reading a bit now so gonna disappear. I am confused now. Are you calling me scum or not? | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:19 Clarity_nl wrote: rayn, I've explained what makes FT town, then I explained it again because oats can't read, now I have to do it a third time? Go away. Wait your townread on Malongo is suddenly very slim? You seemed pretty confident in your list post. Why even have him as green on there. I would think if you base it off one post you better be damn sure your read on him is strong. So these are your reasons: + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 02:40 Clarity_nl wrote: I mean, I find the thing FirmTofu just did kinda hard to fake. Like, I guess if you're superscum it's like a mindgame thing, but if that were the case why did he seem so scummy in the first 12 hours. ##Unvote Am actually gonna be gone for a couple of hours but shall return later, look forward to hearing from Malongo. On July 28 2013 22:24 Clarity_nl wrote: Nah I don't think FT is scum anymore yo. I'm having issues with paper, yes he looks scummy but there's never been any pushbacks up until now, when suddenly and FT wagon is being formed (which makes sense, his posting is kinda scummy) It's that interaction where we was SUPER EXCITED HE FOUND A SCUMSLIP that happened, can't really see him as anything but town after that in my eyes. You need to elaborate more on the matter. I don't see any reasons there. At least good ones. For the reference check my filter from Catch 22 mafia D1, these things are not hard to fake. It's not "suddenly" very slim. It's a slight town read but still green. Deal with it. I don't want to lynch him because there are a lot of more scummy players. Now explain exactly why does FT "finding a scumslip that's not a scumslip" make him town? | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:37 Malongo wrote: Ryan I still dont see why lynching Paper helps us, the guy is null towards townie to me. What makes you think he is town? I don't see much good in his filter. | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:40 Vivax wrote: I really didn't like his questions to me, they looked like loaded questions of the "Why do you beat your wife" sort, and him saying he doesn't think I'm scum after finding me extremely suspicion was also boggling, to say the least. Being presented with the scumslip thing and the way he pushed me I was left with a rather townish feeling, plus the fact that he wasn't staying in a comfy tunnel as XRZ was trying to suggest to me. Your take on my arguments against JAT? I think your arguments against JAT are good, he would be my second pick as lynch. I still think FT is more likely to flip mafia. To you too, it's not hard to fake finding a scumslip, look at my Catch 22 D1. I even accused my scumbuddy of a scumslip because i know some townies would think it's nothing rofl. I think that's at best a null-tell. What do you think? | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:44 Koshi wrote: So. I am getting more and more interested in lynching hzflank. Is there a chance that I can get more votes on the guy or shouldn't I bother? You should not bother if you can't make a rock-solid case. In any ways i'm interested in hearing what you have against him. What do you think about his "Oats case" post? | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:49 Koshi wrote: Rayn you remember that game in which you were scum together with Artanis and Z-Boson? That game in which I had this feeling about Artanis and you said "Koshi, you are not this bad, you must be scum"? I got same feeling bro. I don't understand. Did you just claim mafia? | ||
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But please elaborate. You got a feeling that i am mafia? Why? | ||
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On July 29 2013 05:58 Clarity_nl wrote: ... This makes sense to me, the scum perspective. As town it does not. Low post count, low content, implying he's wrong yet pushing for it anyway. He scum yo. If you had looked into any recent game Malongo has played you would see that this is characteristic to his town play. In other words, the stuff you are pointing out does not make him mafia. You clearly do not want to lynch FT. Go look at JAT/Paper please. Koshi, what do you think of this: hzflank - I had a big big red read on hzflank before this: "I did start to prepare a case on Oats yesterday but I cancelled it shortly after starting. As I was writing it I became less sure that Oats was scum and I did not want to post a case that I did not believe in myself. That is fairly normal for me as I seem to be good at convincing myself that someone is not scum." That basically proves that hzflank is town, that is so incredibly genuine. | ||
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Anyone with no really good case should vote for FT/JAT/Paper and tell why the target is a best lynch. Do not discuss useless stuff, otherwise we'll end up with a no-lynch which is a big no no. | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Rayne, you would compare Malongo in this game to Malongo in "I swear this is normal Mini Mafia 2" and say they're similar? He is talking strongly about his read, he is engaging people in back and forth questions, and then he martyrs himself by the end of it! (btw his read ended up being right, and you believe hz is town..) I meant he does stupid stuff as town. See our QT, where he says he has no real reads. See also how he shoots mer 1 hour into the game. Also look at Sicilian where he flipped. On D1 he posted nothing but useless stuff. I am not saying he sure is town but i don't see anything scummy from him. Just dumb. | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:18 Stutters695 wrote: We can continue this at night if you want to Rayn, that took me longer than I wanted to type up. Onto today's lynch, Paper is my choice. Because Rayn has a good track record and we think similarly, if Paper doesn't get traction I'll sheep him onto FT. I don't want a no lynch. This type of posts is what i want from everyone. Clear stance and no but's. | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:19 VayneAuthority wrote: when's deadline btw? If I have to consolidate on some shit tier lynch I will but vivax is a pretty good start Vayne Vivax is not getting lynched today. Can you give your thoughts on current lynch candidates? | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:21 VayneAuthority wrote: I won't be here for the deadline then. What are my lynch options if I can't get vivax today? FT/Paper/JAT. | ||
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Do you seriously think you can get him lynched without providing a proper case? | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:24 FirmTofu wrote: I'm pretty sure you're the only one voting me. Could we get a vote count please? Yeah but there are like 8 players who think you are scummy... Why the fuck should i not push my top scumread? | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:27 FirmTofu wrote: When the fuck did I say you shouldn't push your top scumread? I know I'm town. I know you're wrong. So obviously, I think you should get your ass off of me... You do this every game rayn. Try reading my filter objectively for once. You should realize you are one of the top lynch candidates based purely on what people think of you. You still haven't defended you against my case. Why? Afaik you are not voting for anyone atm. Who do you want to lynch? You seem to think many people are scummy but you are not voting. Why? | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:31 Clarity_nl wrote: There's been no one trying to lynch anyone other than FT Paper and JAT today, at least nothing else got traction. I'll consolidate, obviously, and rayn has a point about Malongo as I read more of his other games, but this is bitter. I'm not so sure about Vivax, I've had him as null all day and vayne's case is 90% meta, so let's give him another day. I guess out of those three I would prefer Paper...? I mean his wagon started early and he has looked scummy (although more bad than scum), plus he probably has the most association attached to him which'll help day 2. I felt like Koshi was getting scummier and scummier but the way he's just insistently and badly pushing for an hz lynch just makes no sense to me from a scum perspective. You are right on the bolded part. This is what makes me feel better about Koshi. Unless at least 2 of FT/Paper/JAT are scum, but that's WIFOM before flips, so i'd rather not discuss it further. | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:34 FirmTofu wrote: I'm voting exarezee. You have no case. You just said you think I'm scum because exarezee is town to you and my points against him are bad. Now, you can hold that stance. That's fine. However, you can't accuse me of not defending myself from it. Like I said, I'm looking into a possible Malongo/Koshi/Paper scum team. I'll be back soon. Until then, hold off on your bullshit. Your case on exarezee is bullshit that hinders on him being wishy-washy and you assuming the rest of the stuff in the case. After your case you yourself do the same thing you are accusing exarezee of -> your stance on JAT. That's the case. Why you call exarezee scummy for stuff you yourself do right after? | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:44 Clarity_nl wrote: He wants to push HIS wagon over other peoples wagons? The scummy bastard. yeah, just because of that. That's so dumb it can't be scum. :D | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:48 Koshi wrote: That's not the point. The point is he is not interested in finding other scums and is controlling the thread to make sure the atmosphere is not ideal to find other scums. How many people here don't lean scum on paper? Oats exarezee Malongo Myself. hz keeps shooting everything down and pushes 1 fucking wagon. Who of us is so fucking certain about 1 wagon that he is almost blinded towards all other wagons. Koshi you can't lynch more than 1 scum / day. There is no reason to push multiple lynches by yourself. | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:00 Koshi wrote: Unless there are more votes going to pile up for you I guess I don't see why you should. I still don't see why you think Paper is so scummy for the pas 40 hours though. lol, you don't want your top scumread to contribute? wtf, maybe we should lynch Koshi. | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol, you don't want your top scumread to contribute? wtf, maybe we should lynch Koshi. To be more precise. You don't want your top scumread to contribute towards your other scumread. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Koshi That's enough bullshit. | ||
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First he says "who are you to decide who do we lynch. -> Implies there are other lynch candidates than FT/JAT/Paper Then he questions hz, his scumread about Malongo, or rather asks why are we ignoring Malongo. When hz answers him about Malongo, he says "no you should not talk about him". This makes no sense from town PoV. scum. On July 29 2013 07:00 Koshi wrote: Unless there are more votes going to pile up for you I guess I don't see why you should. I still don't see why you think Paper is so scummy for the pas 40 hours though. He does not want to see what hz (his top scumread) has to say about Malongo (his other scumread). If he thinks hz and Malongo are scum he should be interested what hz thinks about Malongo based on the quote above. Instead he is only talking about Paperscraps. | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:15 Clarity_nl wrote: Lots of leaps in here. He's asking why WE (you and me, the two active people who replied to the case in thread) ignored malongo. Then hz asks if he should respond to the case NOW and he says no. You're just misreading stuff I think, or I'm misunderstanding your case hz answers Koshi's post where he talks about Malongo and does not address Malongo at all. If you were Koshi would it be fishy to you (as hz is your top scumread)? I would sure as hell know what he thinks about Malongo, but he doesn't. | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:20 Vivax wrote: Rayn, what do you make of PS pushing JAT. I'm more sure of JAT being scum than PS, and that makes me pretty doubtful. I am not so sure about that any more tbh. I don't like the fact that either one of them has not been here for a very long time. On Paper i really didn't like his proposition to vig me or Stutters. I have clearly been unable to post and that is not alignment indicative. Stutters has good posts imo. If he thinks one of us is mafia, then vote for us instead of someone else. I think at that time his vote on JAT was just a "throwaway vote". The only thing that's fishy overall is that people are willing to discuss Paper but not JAT. What do you think about Koshi and his latest contributions? | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:50 hzflank wrote: With all due respect Rayn, I doubt that anyone has a solid town read on you at this point and therefore it is correct that Koshi should question this. Personally I did think that there was a fourth lynch candidate, which was Koshi. Koshi's whole game seems to be that he thinks I am scum but he cannot figure out how to get me lynched. He might of just thought that there was no point in me discussing it today as I was not going to be lynched anyway. To be honest, that is what I thought. My take on Koshi is simple at this point. The only useful thing he has done all game is attempt to push a scum read on me. As I have said, his whole game revolves around him thinking that I am scum. If he genuinely believes that I am scum up until now then I can believe that he might be town. Because Koshi has done nothing that did not involve me, I cannot find any other reasons as to why I believe he is scum. Conclusion: If Koshi really thinks that I am scum then I do not have a scum read on Koshi. The parts you quoted from my post are meant to be together. That's a follow up. Of course Koshi is allowed to not have a town read on me, and even if he did he is allowed to disagree with me on lynch targets. But if he disagrees he is contradicting himself in what he says later on. Things like: "You can't get X lynched" and "Don't talk about them, there is no point". On top of that he has no intention to figure out what his scumread thinks about his another scumread. That is enough. He is mafia. | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:05 Koshi wrote: Paper has never been my scumread. Ohhh you are a funny one! On July 29 2013 08:03 Koshi wrote: hahahahahahahaha. So wait. This time my read isn't good because? Paper looks town to me. Hz looks scum to me. I have no reads otherwise except I always like a VA lynch. So. Why is this bad? On July 29 2013 08:07 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Paperscraps Is that enough for everyone? | ||
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He has to be town. On July 29 2013 08:19 FirmTofu wrote: Wait, what happened in between the last two pages that shifted your read so dramatically? You were pursuing Paper and now suddenly you think Koshi is confirmed scum? Paper got back and posted in a non-scum manner. Why am i not allowed to change my opinion? On July 29 2013 08:23 Koshi wrote: Let me explain how rayns thinks: Koshi tunnels hzflank. I think that hz is town. Koshi must be scum. I will tunnel Koshi. My play looks perfect town. This is so wrong i don't even know what to say. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:26 Koshi wrote: Lynching you will provide so much information. Lynching JAT would give us nothing. Lynching JAT would be the dumb townplay. Really really dumb. I am sorry bro. LYNCHING FOR INFORMATION IS THE MOST RETARDED THING EVER!!!! Now people, you gotta vote for mafia. Which is Koshi. | ||
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Go for it? | ||
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Paperscraps is almost definitely town, really, look at his latest posts. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:36 FirmTofu wrote: Vote switch onto me at the last minute and see what happens. Sounds like a scum role-. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:39 Clarity_nl wrote: He looks fucking defeated, he's not helping town, how does that make him town? If he is scum he is not trying to help his team either. That's something i see as a strong town-tell. I don't really know how he could help town more as he just got back? | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:50 FirmTofu wrote: If paper flips green, I'm not sure what to think. I'm pretty sure that you and Malongo are town though. When Paper flips town you mean... | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:55 Vivax wrote: Rayn should I no lynch? No, that makes no sense. If i knew Paper better and could tell 100% he is town we could no-lynch. But i can't. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Paperscraps Fuck you all. Chance of success 5%. | ||
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YOU SCUM? | ||
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Vivax explain? | ||
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On July 29 2013 09:19 justanothertownie wrote: fml... I really have to reevaluate most of my reads now. I will do so tomorrow. Vivax doesn't look good for this unvote btw. Can't see a good town reason to do it but scum could try to get town cred. I really hope you do so. On July 29 2013 09:24 justanothertownie wrote: Now we at least have a flip + voting patterns to analyse. Good, you are gonna do that too tomorrow right? | ||
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On July 29 2013 09:34 Vivax wrote: Indeed, but my play was also suicidal and unnecessary for scum. Or do you think I'd have SUCH massive balls as scum to pull such a stunt? WIFOM. | ||
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We are talking about a guy who has shot his own scumbuddy as mafia here... | ||
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On July 29 2013 09:47 Vivax wrote: I wouldn't even talk about this shit if you didn't call me scum for what I did. It's a massively retarded assumption that I would take this risk in my relatively good position, and that without outcome. I don't think you are in a "relatively good position". | ||
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On July 29 2013 09:54 VayneAuthority wrote: prove it! as for excar guy you'll see me in the olympics before you see me pushing a day 1 lynch If you think D1 is a crapshoot why don't you vote for no-lynch then? | ||
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On July 29 2013 09:57 Vivax wrote: Precisely, I wanted to achieve that all along, that was my master scum plan, that is what you're suggesting. I wasn't in a bad position, only guy wanting to lynch me was vayne. Desperate scum play requires desperate situations, that situation wasn't desperate at all for me. I made it abundantly clear that I thought PS was townie, and only cause I have grown a bigger pair than you, I have attempted to save him from lynch. If anything, what you and stutters did fits more into the profile for how scum would try to gain cred. Try to start a bandwagon that is doomed to fail anyway, switch back, nothing changes, you look better. Meanwhile, you were crying that PS was oh so townie, but alas, we can't no lynch. Grow a pair and do it if you think he's 95% townie, dumbo. Yeah because you fuckers didn't vote for either Koshi or FT until it was too late. Why are you so angry? | ||
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On July 29 2013 10:04 Vivax wrote: Btw Rayn, didn't FT's deadline behaviour change anything for you? I'm fairly sure that makes him town now. FT's reads were full of shit. All he said is pretty colors and "that might change". | ||
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On July 29 2013 10:11 Vivax wrote: Again, you're looking at the quality, not the motivation. What scum goes all like "wait a moment I'll post my reads" in face of a wagon that's not even that threatening. That was 25 minutes pre-lynch. Additionally, I don't feel you should be saying his Koshi read was full of shit when he's one of your prime suspects. lol. If he is scum he did that to not gain more votes. Ofc he is gonna put at least one of his scumbuddies there to not look too obvious. The votes were 6-4 at the time. There is no guarantee he is not getting lynched. Do you think his reads were good in quality? Seriously? He even fucking said "this stuff is a subject to change". | ||
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On July 29 2013 10:15 exarezee wrote: So, I'm pretty sure I'm not going to die in the night. Can I take it easy from the game until Day 2 starts? I'm really just not sure what I should be doing right now in this setup. Seems pointless to post theories and look for scum when I will have access to much more information tomorrow after You seem like a new dude. You should tell us who you think is scum and why in every post of yours. You should be doing something that leads into: 1) Why you are town 2) Why someone is scum 3) Something that is going to lead into 1 or 2 later on | ||
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On July 29 2013 10:18 Vivax wrote: For scum to display a quality, it first requires a motivation. That said, FTs "Oh you wanna lynch me?Sec getting reads before i die" motivation is fairly townie in my opinion. At least it's far from something I'd expect scum to do in that situation with limited time. I'd rather expect them to start blabbing about the danger of no lynching and shit. So you only looked at his post where he says he is gonna post reads, and not the actual post of reads? Why? | ||
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On July 29 2013 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote: So im bad for being right on at least 1 read so far? I dunno man. Why didnt you ask why i thought you were scum? Because i don't care as you are bad and wrong. Now i'm going to bed. | ||
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On July 29 2013 21:32 Koshi wrote: Clarity makes posts about everybody, goes in contact with everybody and is speaking his mind. You know that I like that. So Clarity is town. I expect him to create a lot of content Day 2 as well. I can reevaluate but he is town for me. Interesting. Why am i scum then? | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:58 Koshi wrote: 1 of rayn and vivax is scum unless paper flips red. You like that? There is the quote to be exact. | ||
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On July 29 2013 21:55 Vivax wrote: Rayn, I want you to tell me that thiscase is 1. Scummy, 2. Terrible. XRZ is basically summarizing points he disagrees about with PS, and using that as reason to push him as scum, then uses any other stuff against him as well. It's not a clean "I think this dude is scum cause I think scum would do xyz and town abc", it's a bunch of posts along with commentary about anything negative they could contain. If you look at the cases by clarity, JAT and XRZ I posted, you will notice they all have that pattern. The same pattern from clarity's case in the LXI game you also played in, the same case which got clarity lynched (although not just for the pattern, but for some other reasons).. I don't think the case is necessarily scummy. Bad it is for sure. I think you might be onto something on Clarity. He gave me really bad feelings after i talked with thim when i got back. He didn't feel townie at all there. I can't really explain why but there seemed to be something wrong with him. I agree that his case here looks alot like his case on Sharrant on LXI now that you brought that up, but i am not sure how do Clarity's town cases look like. Did you look at that too? Who is XRZ? I don't think JAT is scum, i can explain that better if you really want to hear why. | ||
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On July 29 2013 22:13 Clarity_nl wrote: It's worth noting that after that game I "ragequit" mafia for like 6 months. It wasn't the case itself that I screwed up it was the timing and the target. And you're just saying the bad feeling crap cause I gave you shit for your bad list post, which was bad. Then you got all original and stuff and it was great, if not a bit tunnelly and chaotic nearing lynchtime Vivax just threw three new wide accusations into the air and hoped something sticked. I'm town, I think JAT is town, I think exa is active but ultimately null. Vayne do you still think Vivax is scum and if so could you explain it a bit more please? So you are still holding on to your argument that i should have accused some people who were universally considered as town, let's say Oats and you, so i would have looked more townie to you. Now i looked bad because i said who i thought were scummy and other people were thinking alike. Isn't that a bit ridiculous? | ||
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On July 29 2013 22:23 Clarity_nl wrote: No, I'm saying you had no original opinions at the time so your entrance into the thread was weak. That's what you were talking about when you said you had a bad feeling right? Or did you mean something else? I form my opinions mostly by talking with other players. I have really hard time to get a grasp of the game by only reading it, which i was forced to do here for the first ~30hours or so. I don't remember what it exactly was that made me feel worse about you, because there a re more scummy people and i wanted to lynch mafia, so i didn't really care, and now it's not relevant until the end of the night phase. | ||
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On July 29 2013 22:25 Clarity_nl wrote: I make the same style of case regardless of alignment, we've played in enough games that you should know this. Do you mean me? I don't think i have played with you in any other game than in LXI, or if i have i was scum and didn't read your cases because boring or something. I don't know. Probably not. But still, wtf? | ||
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On July 29 2013 22:39 Vivax wrote: Need a closer look at Rayn before deciding definitely though. Am I not scum any more rayn? I don't know. You new look to the game on N1 is interesting and i agree on it to some extent. I still think FT is scum though. I would lynch hz instantly if there was that "Oats case" comment. | ||
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On July 29 2013 22:45 Oatsmaster wrote: hz probably town for pulling that 50% chance of lynching scum out of his ass. Rayn scum for posting a bullshit list post and wanting to lynch Obv town FT and Papers. Rayn is not bad at this game but he is lynching horrible targets man. Actually when i got to do my stuff for a while i wanted to lynch Koshi and not FT.. What did you do then? Oh i remember, you didn't give a shit about who we lynch. | ||
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Imagine what would be going on now if i had not voted for him. I can do that for you Oats. Knowing you you would be screaming now that Paper & Vivax are confirmed scum. If Vivax is in fact town that's a really shitty situation, and that's why i don't understand his unvote. It's pretty clear what my intentions were around the lynch and you are bad because you are unable to understand them. I don't know who i want to lynch now. The good thing is i don't have to until tomorrow. | ||
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I am pretty sure you (Oats) and Cora are town, everything else i am not sure about. Townies are playing bad or scum are playing really good. Apparently i am playing bad too because people (mainly Vivax & Cora) thinks i am mafia. You always think i am scum so i don't really care about that | ||
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On July 29 2013 23:01 hzflank wrote: I am sick of this now. You do not think that one paragraph makes a person town if everything else about them makes them scum. I did not like it when Vivax had a town on me for that reason and I did not like it when you repeated it. I will let you in on a little secret: that paragraph was constructed. It was true, but it was also completely re-written because I did not like the first version. I would of posted that paragraph as either town or scum. People need to base their read on me on more than that single paragraph, because even if you are correct about my alignment for now you are reading me badly and that single paragraph will not make me look town forever. Why would you want me to take a relook of you if you are town? You are making me waste my time looking into someone who is town -> not helping finding mafia. Are you trying to buy town credit with reverse psychology? | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:57 justanothertownie wrote: I'm back and just caught up. Now I'm frustrated because I already started a post calling Vivax out for lying about my stance on oats and I have to see he corrected himself (nice one). As this is the only real point Vivax makes in order to get people to vote me that is not stolen from oats case (which is terrible) there is nothing more to say for me besides it really looks like Vivax just absolutely doesn't want Paper to be lynched. He is not defending, he is attacking instead. For a new player this seems extremely unlike if he was mafia. And this: On July 29 2013 19:08 justanothertownie wrote: Well Oats, I'm not a smurf but I will take that as a compliment ... I guess. Yes, I didn't contribute before the deadline because I was fucking tired and everything went according to plan. We were lynching my scumread. I just critisized Vivax because his unvote looked extremely scummy to me at that moment. I am at work now an don't have time to read filters but I promise I will be way more active when I get home. This is incredibly genuine. "Everything went according to plan. We were lynching my scumread". Would you really say that as mafia if this is your first(?) game? | ||
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On July 29 2013 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote: I think he is lying about not being new.  Also why doesnt scum attack? He sees a bad case, DESTROY. I dont get why he would defend assuming Vivax made the 'same' case? The second part, I dont see how thats alignment indicative. So your argument is that he is not new and lying about it. Do you have any proof that supports that? | ||
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Really? There is nothing odd in him wanting to lynch XRZ now but not on D1 when the same reasons he is calling him scum for were in the thread? | ||
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On July 29 2013 23:57 Clarity_nl wrote: I could make the same argument about vivax and you suddenly being suspicious of me, but I didn't. Sometimes you don't notice stuff the first time around, and sometimes you're scum just looking for reasons. How can you tell which is which? How is that comparable? I changed my opinion after more things happened. Vivax changes his opinion and now he is presenting the same case his D1 scumread did and it's "his case". | ||
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On July 30 2013 03:44 exarezee wrote: Am I the only who finds it strange that nobody has gone through and looked at Paper's reads? He's the only confirmed town besides yourself, and nobody wants to look at his opinions? This is stupid. Being town does not mean you are right, especially if you get lynched. | ||
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On July 30 2013 03:51 exarezee wrote: I Have looked. I'm wondering why nobody fucking else has. So what did you find out that is important? | ||
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On July 30 2013 03:53 exarezee wrote: That's not the point. You're trying to twist my argument into something else. The point is NOBODY has looked. And this I find troubling. You said you have looked into his reads because you find them important. What is it that you found out to be important? I don't find them to be important because townies get mislynched for a reason. That's why i have not looked at them, Why are you avoiding to answer the question? | ||
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On July 30 2013 04:02 Clarity_nl wrote: So for people who've actually played with Vayne before, does he usually do this as town? Say someone is scum but not push it at all and then whine when his target doesn't get lynched? No. | ||
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On July 30 2013 04:04 Vivax wrote: I'm back. Shoot, Rayn. Let's push this town to a right track okay? The game is atm a shitfest and i don't want to lose, so i am willing to take a leap of faith and propose the following: For this phase, let's treat each other as confirmed town, and figure this shit out. If we are both town one of us is most likely gonna die, and i wanna have (or want you to have) as much info as possible for D2. Agreed? | ||
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On July 30 2013 04:21 exarezee wrote: Are you being daft on purpose? If I knew for 100% certainty you were town, I would be more inclined to go with your reads than to follow even someone i thought was 95% chance to be town. That's not my point. My point is that you said you find Paper as confirmed town is worth looking into. What his reads were and stuff. When you look into them, you are just saying what Paper said, you are not saying why you think those reads are correct or wrong. You don't use the information you find to be important in the first place. Instead you are asking other people why they are not looking into his filter... You don't need anyone's permission to show us what you found, and apparently you have found nothing important in the place you just claimed contains important information. That's fucking scummy. | ||
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On July 30 2013 04:22 exarezee wrote: How the hell do you form the conclusion that because someone else did something as (insert role), I would do something in that role. Because that's characteristic for mafiosi to do so. Nearly everyone does that as mafia-. | ||
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On July 30 2013 04:27 Vivax wrote: I didn't like how JAT joined the PS wagon especially. His reasons were a bunch of disagreements he had with PS's reads, and he seems to lack townie drive (that is quite subjective though, basically communicating as much as possible, pointing out scummy things, try to let yourself get heard) and the activity is generally underwhelming, Not sure what to make of his latest post where he townreads me, I agree with all the reasons, but I don't know why he thinks this is the time to write a townread post on me, if anything it increases the chance I get NKd, although it's probably pretty high anyway cause I can already get away with the shit I've done between almost no-lynching and fakeclaiming vig. FT hardpushed XRZ, I believe you'll have to pick one of them cause i don't see that being a bus at all. What I didn't like about Clarity was his FT case and that he's being rather in the sidelines during this night aside from a few post, but I didn't go through his whole filter yet. I'm not very fond of you either tbh. You are right about FT - XRZ. hmm.. I especially didn't like how Clarity backed off from FT, and the stuff i said earlier on N1. You have a point on JAT. That's why i thought he was scummy in the first place. I need to reconsider my read on him as i thought his posts i quoted to Oats were pretty townish. I dunno if i am wrong, Oats seemed to disagree with me, what do you think? What do you think of flank? That being said; If there is a doctor, doc Vivax! | ||
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On July 30 2013 04:29 exarezee wrote: Please quote where I said it contains important information. And I will apologize to you. I said I found it strange nobody looked into paper's opinions. What you choose to do with his opinions is up to you. If you think the information is not important, why do you post this: On July 30 2013 03:44 exarezee wrote: Am I the only who finds it strange that nobody has gone through and looked at Paper's reads? He's the only confirmed town besides yourself, and nobody wants to look at his opinions? And ~5 other posts about the subject? | ||
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On July 30 2013 04:41 exarezee wrote: Whether the information is important or not is subjective you. You can like his reads or not like them. It's completely up to you! But you don't care about his reads? In fact you point that you haven't gone through his filter since his lynch. Are you that big headed that you don't want to consider another townie's reads? I am well aware of Paper's reads. I do not have to go through his filter to "re-read something" just because he was town. If you find something important there, please point it out. If you don't, i don't see a reson why are you shouting people to go re-read him, or find that odd. | ||
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On July 30 2013 04:57 exarezee wrote: I mistyped a little. Didn't exactly read what clarity wrote. I do not have an informed opinion on whether you are scum. You are however part of the group today that have posted theories which is irrelevant upon the information gained upon the end of day 1. I find that to be more scumlike than townlike. So what should we do in your opinion now? | ||
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On July 30 2013 05:35 Clarity_nl wrote: rayn his list post felt like scum, then he felt like town until we got close to lynch and he made it extremely chaotic, and I gotta figure out if that's because he's scum or not. Im interested in hearing how i made the lynch chaotic.. | ||
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On July 30 2013 06:23 Vivax wrote: I alwasy go awww when people ask for me to be docced. I used to be such a pain in the ass as town. You still are. But Oats is much more. :D | ||
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On July 30 2013 06:26 Vivax wrote: I have a question, what point is there in Malongo sorting people activity wise at all? It doesn't have any relevance for his conclusion. He could simply tell what he doesn't like about hzflank, instead he feels like posting some fancy summary before he does that. Read NWM for example. Malongo did nothing but post useless lists early on and he was town. If you read I swear 2, he was pretty inconsistant throughout D1. He does dumb stuff at least as town, dunno if that´s the case if he is mafia. | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:28 justanothertownie wrote: Ok. Still the most likely scumteam for me is now (if this check is for real): hzflank, FirmTofu, Malongo + maybe rayn or oats. Details tomorrow. Why does the check being real make you think this? | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:50 Oatsmaster wrote: hey rayn explain why/how clarity fakeclaimed the rb? Vivax was gonna lynch him. What is the best possible way to buy town cred if you hit him? Right, by fakeclaiming RB'd. | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:50 Clarity_nl wrote: Unless you're both scum, then you shit your pants and quickly get on that shit. Not saying you are, but the possibility is there. Explain why not. He obviously needed to make a play at the start of day 2 to avoid a vigi shot. why? why not make a play at the end of N1? | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:52 Oatsmaster wrote: i didnt get that feeling from Vivax's posts at all. wtf Oats. What game are you reading, or are you scum? | ||
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On July 30 2013 10:10 justanothertownie wrote: I mean rayne as scum is possible but why do I have to think Vayne is scum? no it's not possible i am scum. try again. | ||
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On July 30 2013 10:15 justanothertownie wrote: I don't know why I should think Vayne is scum at all. What ever I'm gone for real this time. I will tackle this tomorrow when I'm calmer and not tired. We accuse you of the same thing.. at the same time... Does not sound fishy to you if you are town as you should know we are wrong? right.. | ||
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On July 30 2013 10:43 Clarity_nl wrote: Saying "for now" is pretty dodgy. As Vayne said there's something about KNOWING it's a fakeclaim that makes scum want to illustrate this in their post. Not conclusive though. Why do you think I'm scum? It does not matter as i don't want to lynch you today anyways. And i have already explained it. Wanna lynch FT? | ||
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That leaves me with Clarity, Malongo, JAT, FT, XRZ and Stutters. FT - XRZ; at least one pretty much has to be town for FT's attack on XRZ on D1. I am leaning on XRZ being scum for Vivax' case and XRZ's comments on Paperscraps' filter. I am leaning on Stutters being town. But if JAT is in fact town, then Stutters pretty much gotta be scum. I don't like Stutters' buddying to me, and JAT's latest posts give me town vibes . At the moment the scumteam looks like Clarity, XRZ, Malongo and one of Stutters/JAT. ##Unvote: ##Vote: exarezee Because of Vivax' case on him and his over-commital -> non-commital stance on Paperscraps' filter diving. That made zero sense from him. | ||
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On July 30 2013 21:50 Koshi wrote: hzflank is so smart. Too bad he is on the scumteam today. But as present to Oats. As this joke has served his purpose My scumteam: XRZ hzflank Oats Confirmed town Stutters Malongo Koshi don't be bad please. Reread what Oats said about Malongo. Hz's claim makes no sense from scum PoV, if there is a real vet he would have been cc'd and lynched. | ||
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On July 30 2013 21:54 Oatsmaster wrote: rayn, koshi too dumb to be town man. I have never ever seen him play like this. Do you think both of Stutters / JAT are town? Like, i could see that as possible, but Koshi's N1 posts feel townie to me. He is pushing a conspiracy theory that makes no sense but i think he genuinely believes in it. | ||
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On July 30 2013 21:56 hzflank wrote: Scum want to position thenselves so that they can vote for town without implicating themselves. It is much easier to make sure of a mislynch if at least a couple of scum can get their vote on easily. Especially when they are 8 town, 4 scum and 7 needed to lynch. A big part of your point against Malongo is that he does not properly understand Mafia yet. As you say if Malongo is town then he knows that Vayne is lying, so to Malongo the best way to prove it is to flip himself now so that Vayne can be lynched after. This is so wrong. If someone lies about a check on yourself you know (or should assume) they are mafia in the first place. You know someone is most likely mafia and you want to have yourself instead of them?? | ||
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On July 30 2013 21:59 hzflank wrote: I don't, but I can very much believe that Malongo would. Why exactly is that? Have you played with Malongo before, or where do you base that assumption of yours? | ||
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FT's D1 actions are fucking suspicious, Stutters' case on him is very good, and his reaction to vayne's check is really fishy. Can people look at FT and tell me what do they think about him. ##Unvote: | ||
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On July 30 2013 22:45 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont feel the BELIEF. what did you say about FT? Also nothing can top the scumslip townslip. Rayn can we lynch you? His D1 is awful. His reads flip a full 180 after Paper´s flip (which i btw predicted). His response to vayne´s check is fishy. No, you can´t lynch me, maybe we should lynch you because you are not even willing to read the thread. | ||
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On July 30 2013 07:37 FirmTofu wrote: hzflank, I can get aboard a rayn lynch. His actions are extremely out of place. His reads are flying all over the place and don't any logical sense. It feels like he's trying to attack everyone a little bit to establish himself as abrasive and therefore town. I don't like it at all. I really like this quote. Now that you have read it look at the end of D1 and the start of N1 to see who is it whose reads fly all over the place. | ||
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On July 30 2013 23:25 Koshi wrote: Because his filter screams that. Compare XRZ filter with FT filter. How the FUCK does FT´s filter scream town? | ||
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On July 30 2013 23:28 hzflank wrote: Yeah got it. Clarity explained part of it well, also. Next question: does it mean that people who were more likely to be roleblocked (than Clarity) are more likely to be scum? Who do you mean were more likely to be roleblocked? Vayne & Vivax? Would you really believe an obvious claims like vayne´s / Vivax´ are true as mafia? | ||
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On July 30 2013 23:42 Clarity_nl wrote: Lots of past and present tense confusion there in my statement but you get the gist. We might have a cop, a good cop check n1 would have been malongo. There were a lot of good checks. Basically everyone was a good check as town we have not accepted onto like anyone being town (Oats/Cora to some extent i believe). Vayne was also a one of the best checks, do you think he would fake a check if he was mafia? Have a red check on him and bam, suddenly Malongo is confirmed town (when Malongo if town is mislynch material). | ||
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On July 30 2013 23:59 exarezee wrote: so basically your case against me is that town vivax thinks i'm scum? Can you give us some scumreads with reasoning please? | ||
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Clarity, Malongo could be mafia, but it does not make sense vayne and Malongo both are mafia. Look at Malongo´s resopnse to vayne´s check. I think if they were both scum they were discussing the ploy in scumchat and Malongo would have far better response. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:13 Malongo wrote: You are actively ignoring that hzflak and Clarity confirmed no millers 6 or 8 posts before mine. At that point I had little time to add to much and honestly I have never seen a mafia game with 0 vigis int TL. Have you?. I am ready to answer any questions. Why did you want the vigilante to shoot you instead of the guy who fakeclaimed a check on you and you know it? | ||
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This only makes the game D3 lylo instead of D3 mylo assuming worst case scenario. Vig Malongo. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:31 Clarity_nl wrote: How is vayne a confirmed liar if malongo flips green? It was a fakeclaim. Can everyone slow down and try to THINK. Does it make more sense for malongo to think vayne is blue if pms are enabled, if he is scum or town? Because if a vig shoots Malongo and he flips green then vayne can´t any more say "it was a fakeclaim". I don´t wanna go to this PM shit because there are no PM´s and Malongo should know that. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:48 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I really do not understand why JAT and FT were getting votes. We need to lynch Malongo, Koshi, or Stutters today. Lynching anyone outside of that circle is a pretty stupid idea. Because FT is very very scummy. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:48 hzflank wrote: I am afraid that you sometimes have to try to put yourself in Malongo's head. I am struggling to believe him, but it is possible. And we do not seem to have a Vig  That´s why i want him vigged. At best he is town and useless which makes him a liability later on. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Koshi | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:53 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Scummier than the three people I named? At least FirmTofu is showing some effort to scumhunting. The other 3 have been completely useless and are just mucking up the thread with random bullshit (especially Koshi). You are completely ignoring Stutters´case on FT which is, as i have said many times, spot on. I agree that Malongo and Koshi look at least as bad as FT, but he is not doing much. He flips his reads 180 right after flip for no reason. His response to vayne´s check is fucking scummy. His D1 was awful. He is accusing me of same things he does himself (which i btw didn´t do). How the fuck is that townie behaviour? Faking scumhunting is another thing and i don´t think FT has done good job at scumhunting this game. Which of his cases do you believe in? | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:07 exarezee wrote: I mean we're obviously going to have to lynch koshi today barring some divine intervention. Completely trolling right now. I might as well try to figure some other stuff out. Rayn, please tell me your read on me when you get a chance. Not trying to pester you, but last attempt in case you missed my other attempts. I reread you and FT, FT is fucking scummy so i think you are town. | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:26 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: He has not 180'd on all of his reads... How does not having any reads or having poorly explained reads make sense to you? HE FUCKING FLIPPED ALL HIS SCUMREADS AROUND WHEN PAPER FLIPPED GREEN AND DID NOT OPPOSE THE LYNCH? Are you dumb or something? I think Stutters has had a pretty clear thought process. He wanted to lynch FT. He wanted to lynch Koshi. When you fuckers didn´t vote either of them with me & Vivax he did not want to no-lynch and voted for Paper. How is that having no reads? He is today pushing FT, he has a case on him. HOW IS THAT HAVING NO READS? | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:32 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Then why did you vote for him? Why would you keep him around if he was posting like a townie? I want Rayn to answer this question too because I called him out on it too and he dodged the question. I didn´t dodge the question. If you had read the thread you would know i have answered it. I can do it again. I did not want to no-lynch, and in case i am wrong, because you know - i can be wrong too, i voted for Paper. He already had a majority on him so all my vote did was to ensure scum vote shenanigans in case Paper was in fact scum. Why are you not reading and why are YOU dodging my questions? | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:34 hzflank wrote: Rayn never questioned Vayne motivations at all. When everyone else was trying to work out if Vayne was cop or scum, Rayn and Vayne were both trying to work out which third parties were scum based on their responses. They both jumped on JAT at the same time for the same reason. Basically, Rayn and Vayne were completely on the same page about everything. They were even on a similar page about Clarity's RB claim. I do not think that Rayn is scum but Vayne is town. That´s a fucking towniest post in this thread this day and nobody should try to lynch this guy ever. There is 100x more thought in this post than half of the players have expressed in the whole game. | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:36 VayneAuthority wrote: There's actually a very high chance rayn is scum so I don't agree. He loves buddying me as scum and his recent actions are pointing in that direction...didn't really want to reveal this but I digress. I really need to see who is scum between JAT and malongo, then this game will be a lot easier. vayne no there isn´t. and i don´t buddy you as scum. if i have done so there is some other reason than that the person is you. | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:55 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Ok I'll buy the 180 flips from FT. He changed his mind on XRZ like three times in the first page of his filter. I'm still reluctant to think he is scummier than the other three people I have mentioned before though. Those posts could just be coming from a paranoid or bad townie. It shows that he is trying to solve the game, however, which I can appreciate. I'm not entirely sure scum would be that obvious about flip-flopping. It seems like they would try to tunnel someone to death just to have a scumread (Stutters). So mafia tunnels and townies flip-flop about their reads. Sounds legit Cora. You should know better, i remember you tunneling me in Red purely because you were the host of the newbie game that looked alike my play in that game. And btw Stutters is not tunneling. | ||
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On July 31 2013 02:20 FirmTofu wrote: I'm sorry, how is changing your reads upon a flip considered scummy. If you would like, I'll quote all the games where I've done that as town. It's called ADAPTING TO NEW INFORMATION. You are already giving yourself an out before the flip so you can call who the fuck you want scum before, as it doesn´t mean shit after the flip. If you are already thinking about the reads after flip, you are not trying to lynch scum, because you already know the guy is going to flip town. Why do you think about how your reads change if you lynch town? You should be lynching scum. | ||
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On July 31 2013 02:33 FirmTofu wrote: Read again. My reads only changed after the flip. The timeline is as follows: 1) I posted a list of reads because I thought I was going to be lynched. These reads were based on the assumption that PS would flip mafia. 2) PS flipped town 3) THEN, I changed my reads to reflect the new information. No, it´s the attitude you had at the lynch. Someone asked you "what if PS flips town". You reply "that makes this and that different". You have clearly thought about the "what if"-scenario before the flip. Why did you not just say "your question is stupid because Paper is gonna flip red" as he is your scumread. Your reads after the flip are nothing like you quoted in NWM and Sicilian. They are wishy washy, like "this is how he plays as town, i don´t know what to make of it, so null - leaning scum". Wtf? Also your read on Koshi goes from top 1 scumread to town in 2 hours without no reasoning at all. That´s also fishy and you have still not explained that. | ||
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On July 29 2013 04:40 FirmTofu wrote: If Koshi and Paperscraps were the two wagons today, I would definitely lynch Koshi. My biggest scum read is pushing Paperscraps, so I'm hesitant to think Paper is scum. Koshi has done absolutely nothing to convince me he's town. Koshi top 1 scumread. Or exarezee, but FT has done nothing to push him after his initial case. On July 29 2013 04:59 FirmTofu wrote: Not ignoring it, I'm just saying it's less likely. Of course, I could be wrong. In my opinion, the chances of that are very slim. If exarezee is mafia, Paper is unlikely to be mafia. That's a fact. Therefore, if I believe exarezee is mafia, then why in the fuck would I vote for Paper? Why would i vote for Paper? Yeah, why? On July 29 2013 05:39 FirmTofu wrote: Filter Dive of Paperscraps: This is the first serious post he makes. Using it as a starting point. I don't think it tells us anything just yet. Obviously, I don't really like his read on exarezee. Null is the last thing I'd expect on someone like exarezee. He's posted a ton and there's a ton of information to dissect his role. By the point in the game that this post was made, everyone should have already been leaning one way or another on exarezee. His read on Oats is disturbing. I'm not sure what Oats did that constitutes that strong of a stance on him. Most of Ots' posts were one-liners that held little to no substance. Oats could be a possible scumbuddy of Paper, but I feel like that'd be too obvious. His reads on Koshi and Vayne are pretty awful. I can kind of see why he might think Vayne is town, but Koshi should be null or scum for every town person at that point that Paper made that post. Bolded relevant. I don't like this at all. Why would tunneling be a good thing to do? Paper is telling exarezee to vote him? What? Why would town do this? This is a decent post. He starts pushing a read and it looks like he is adapting based on new information (his read on hzflank has changed). I'm not entirely sure this post invalidates all of his scummy posting, but I can agree that he has been fairly transparent throughout the thread. Conclusion: I'm actually a little bit surprised that Paper has been this scummy. If you hadn't made me filter dive, I don't think I would have this read on him. I agree, Paperscraps is quite scummy all things considered. However, his posting does seem genuine. I think that if we give him another day, he'll be able to redeem himself. Scummy but FT does want to give him another day. Still no more pushing on his XRZ read or vote for Koshi who is definitely scummier. On July 29 2013 05:50 FirmTofu wrote: No, wrong isn't scum. However, if I can't see why how his reasoning would make sense from a town perspective, I consider that scummy. Like I said before, I still think exarezee is scum. This makes me think Paper is town. Bad town, but town nonetheless. All the scummy things I pointed out could have been mistakes made by bad town. That's why I would much rather lynch exarezee and give Paper another chance. However if the lynch comes down to Koshi vs. Paper, I'm not so sure where I would stand. I'm going to filter dive Koshi as well and decide. Does not know what to do. Both equally scummy for no reasons. On July 29 2013 06:03 FirmTofu wrote: I'm starting to see some connections between Paper, Malongo, and Koshi. I'm gonna do some research. Be back soon. Now there is some sort of connection that is not explained? On July 29 2013 07:04 FirmTofu wrote: Alright, I'm starting to warm on the Paperscraps lynch. I have a feeling that Paper/Malongo/Koshi is one possible scum team and exarezee/hzflank is part of another possible scum team. Lynching in one of these two groups of players would give us invaluable information about the other group. ##Unvote ##Vote: Paperscraps Suddenly there is this. Nowhere does FT explain why the fuck is he even voting for Paper. Koshi is still scummy for him, and was scummier some time ago. He completely throws off the scummier people and votes for Paper. I could understand this if he gave some reasons but no, he doesn´t. Also here is also where the foundation of "my reads might change" is put out. Look at the post. "Hey there are two groups (no reasoning why) where a couple of scum are". "When Paper flips town i can forget about Koshi & Malongo for no reason and start accusing XRZ (which i really did not do on D1) and hzflank". | ||
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On July 31 2013 02:58 exarezee wrote: but i also find it hard to believe the scum team is stutters/tofu/malongo/koshi Stutters is not scum. | ||
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On July 31 2013 03:02 FirmTofu wrote: This game is beyond retarded. Rayn is playing like a scum mastermind, leading everyone onto lynches that are sure to fail and then switching off of them at the last minute and going 100% in the opposite direction after the lynch becomes inevitable. He was briefly scum on PS, but as soon as that wagon started gaining steam, he switched to Koshi. Watch him switch off Koshi once this doomed wagon fails. I´m done talking to you because you are scum. You still have not explained yourself. | ||
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On July 31 2013 03:06 justanothertownie wrote: First there is Tofu who I still don't like (still think he is scum) but to be fair I have to look into what happened last night again before I am 100% content saying he is scum. The same goes for hzflank (in his case there is even more new information to consider). Besides there is this clarity thing. Depends totally on my idea to be correct though. I also have to look into vayne again but currently I have no opinion on him. There is no way hz would have claimed vet if he was mafia at the start of D2. He is town. | ||
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On July 31 2013 03:06 exarezee wrote: i have a pretty good feel for the scumteam if two of the scum are koshi and malongo. I think its clarity/malongo/koshi/JATorTofu I'll post my reasoning for this if we lynch koshi and he flips scum. No need to post something that might not occur...and since we can post in night phase =) Read Clarity´s post about the roleblock. It does not make sense that he is mafia. Look into Cora instead. He has been really bad on D2. | ||
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On July 31 2013 03:16 exarezee wrote: We have had 3 claims today. Everybody that has down this is town? Why would at least 1 scum NOT claim today? I'm really confused here. What 3 claims are you talking about? There is one claim, and it´s HZ's. Roleblock claim is not a "claim", and why do you think scum need to claim at the start of D2? | ||
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On July 31 2013 03:17 Stutters695 wrote: I disagree, I don't think vet is a super unsafe claim, especially if he realized that any smart vig wouldn't do it. Doesn't matter though because Hz's posting is town as shit. If there is a real vet it´s at best an 1-1 trade. No good claim as scum. | ||
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On July 31 2013 03:21 justanothertownie wrote: He would definitely have known nobody would shoot him. The only danger would be a real vet claiming but that's not that bad for mafia either and I'm sure he would be confident in his ability to talk himself out of that at least til another mislynch happens. No, you do not take a possible 1-1 trade as mafia if you don´t have to. HZ didn´t have to. That´s why his claim makes him town. He was definitely not the #1 lynch candidate on D2 and even if he was, why not claim later and first see if people vote for him or not? | ||
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On July 31 2013 03:25 justanothertownie wrote: Did you read his reasoning for the claim? There were many people who wanted to vote him or were at least suspicious. If he was scum he would know that´s not true (him possibly getting lynched) as he would have scumbuddies to discuss it. It just strengthens the fact that he is probably working on his own -> is not mafia and believed he could get lynched (while it was not true). The easiest explanation is that he did not want to derail the thread as his role is kinda useless unless shot at night, or he genuinely thought as town that people would want to lynch him and cut the crap in the first place. There are pretty much no reasons for him to claim like that if he is mafia. If someone who looks more town than him CC's him, he's gonna get lynched. If someone less townie looking CC's him, he might live for another day. But 1-1 trade for no real reason? No shit that's possible. | ||
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On July 31 2013 03:34 exarezee wrote: @Rayn you forget the possibility that there is no veteran in the game. which makes it a slightly better play. I don't think you can completely clear hzflank based on the claim, but I still do think he is town. Why can´t you understand that mafia does not know if there is a veteran or not. They would not take the risk HZ took, as there are more risks than benefits in fakeclaiming unnecessarily. | ||
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On July 31 2013 03:42 hzflank wrote: Rayn, lets go on a quick trip through my strange brain... Do you think that JAT is a smurf? Or do you think that this is his first game? I think i have been pretty clear throughout the game that i believe this is his first game. | ||
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On July 31 2013 04:03 exarezee wrote: I disagree with your conclusion that there are more risks than benefits and that mafia would never make this move. Hzflank WAS going to get some flak. This increases the chance mafia hzflank would fake claim. A fakeclaim isn't bad here IMO. Keep in mind that several people have scum reads on kzflank on this point in the game, increasing the chance for mafia to make this play. I don't know what the odds of there being a veteran in the game, but i want to assume something like 50% as i think there are two town power roles. 50% of the time he gets away with the claim, and people like you have completely cleared him. 50% of the time, he gets counterclaimed. 50% of the time we lynch the counter claimant who is actually town, and we are at must lynch scenario. 1-1 trade is not bad at all, since the likeliest setup is now detective + veteran. Every lynch thereafter is must lynch and a mistake is town loss. So this play works roughly 75% of the time or so. I don't really want to argue with you about this unless you seriously think hz is mafia. Because i think you are wrong and i don't want to waste time in explaining same stuff i have done before. TLDR; If you do not think HZ is mafia, please drop the discussion about this ok? | ||
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On July 31 2013 04:10 exarezee wrote: The reason I am discussing this with you is because you make these concrete statements as facts. "hzflank is town because of his claim." "clarity is town because of his claim". These posts are terrible for people that might not want to think themselves. I think you are town. Others think you are town. But following these ridiculous assumptions that people "won't do this as scum" is simply not true. Nobody cc'd HZ. You think there is a veteran + cop. Why do you even continue this discussion as you seem to agree with me? | ||
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I don't always say everything i think about stuff. That's why i make posts like you quoted. I am encouraging people to think and read by themselves, and if they find something that is not in line with what i say they question me about it. You did that. Now i am however a bit lost because you seem to think i am town yet you are still wanting to argue with me about HZ, who we both think are town. Why is that? If we all think we all are town what's the point of arguing with each other instead of arguing with people we think are scum? | ||
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On July 31 2013 04:21 exarezee wrote: I'm suspicious when you try to tell me HZ is town because of his claim. Clarity is town because of his claim. Vayne is town because of his claim. I should have claimed something logical so you would have cleared me too. Yes i am telling you that. I have given my reasons why i think so, and i am 99% sure i am right on everyone of them. | ||
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On July 31 2013 04:30 hzflank wrote: Why does Koshi scum = Mal scum? For me it's not a connection case. They are both fucking scummy. | ||
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On July 31 2013 04:33 hzflank wrote: I'll throw something new into the pot: I thought that Rayn's big post against Tofu was forced. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=98#1948 I am not sure why yet. It could be that Rayn is scum, but it is odd that scum Rayn needs to force that on Tofu at this point. If could be that Rayn is so convinced that Tofu is scum that he is not looking at it clearly, or at least that he is not seeing it the same way that I see it. The whole post is about how FT was acting near the lynch. If you can't why that is scummy i can't help you. | ||
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On July 31 2013 08:05 FirmTofu wrote: Oh I will. I'm not done with your case yet. I deliberately didn't post my scum cases yet because I knew I wouldn't have enough time to address them fully before I left for the bus. Since everyone knows where I stand on my scum cases, I figured I'd post information I've gathered on everyone else first. Let me get this straight. You have had time to make town "cases" but not had time to make your scum cases? How is that... what... i don´t even... ASDJASJDASDAMSD rofl. just rofl. | ||
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On D2 you have: 1) Yelled how flank is scum but you don´t want to lynch him because you are bad and bla bla etc etc.. 2) Told people to vig you, and how you are bad 3) made some random cases on JAT/XRZ/Stutters. You don´t have a clear direction in your play. You are trying everything and try to see if something sticks. You are scum. Get lynched. | ||
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On July 31 2013 08:37 FirmTofu wrote: Learn to respect time constraints. Suppose I wrote up everything and prioritized my scum cases. I would have to struggle to respond to all of your posts defending yourself while I was on the bus. It just wouldn't be feasible. I do respect them. You are the one who should learn that. If you don´t have enough time the priority is: - Tell people why someone is mafia, and should be lynched. You are doing the opposite.. | ||
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Look at FT´s read on me, it´s: D1 - OMGUS N1 - "rayn raid Vivax might be scum, when stuff happened he said he is probably town" D2 - OMGUS You call that a good read? | ||
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On July 31 2013 21:18 Koshi wrote: The reason why this is so important that town knows that you are 100% town is the following: 1) If I get lynched today people will see me flip green, you will get a shitton of flak on you tomorrow and it doesn't look like you will be able to defend yourself from what I have seen. (you always defend yourself, but yours scumhunting is lacking and your defense currently as well.) If you flip town after I was lynched, town is fucked. 2) If you flip town today I will get a motherload of shit over me tomorrow. And frankly, I will get lynched and can't blame anybody. I will flip town then and town is fucked. Fact is that I, Koshi need a red flip today to make sure town has a chance to win. I think that I the highest chance on a scumflip is you are XRZ. So proof today that you are town, even if I get lynched today town will be able to use that defense to look elsewhere tomorrow. So you are using fear to make people not vote for their scumreads (in this case you)? That´s classic mafia play. "You will be lynched tomorrow when i flip green" - fucking retarded defense. | ||
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On July 31 2013 21:23 Koshi wrote: You and FT have a special bond. I would encourage you to look past all the things FT says about you and focus on his play not concerning yourself. FT needs to come through with 3 more cases of his scumreads, read them and base your suspicion on that. It sucks that FT thinks you are scum but the best advice I can give you is to look at FT his play besides that. No, the point is in his case he does not give a single reason that makes me scum!!! Also why does it suck to you that FT thinks i am scum? You seem to think that yourself. The wording you use is incredibly odd from town perspective. | ||
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There are some posts that indicate he is town very much. Like him not reading the setup well enough (if he did, he would know roleblocking does not block vet status - and i think scum would know this, barring Malongo who can do/say whatever whenever). It´s incredibly hard to fake an argument about scum faking a rb on Clarity to block Vivax (vet) and shoot him if you actually know rb does not block vet. Leaning town on him. Next read is Oats, lately he has been able to fool me, and i don´t like that | ||
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On July 31 2013 22:46 Koshi wrote: Rayn I really need a red flip now. For me, it is best to go and look around at JAT/XRZ. There is a possibility that we got to look at FT/Oats instead, but if they are scum. They tricked me. The 2 times I played with Oats he was the opposite as now. Scum in NWM where he was not this active softdefending Ace a bit but all in all a lurker. As town in sicilian he forgot to do night actions as a parity cop... FT is doing the same thing game after game and he is always town. He starts with 2-3 pretty controverse statements and then rolls from there. I think he did the same here, that with his vote behaviour/scumhunting early on made me think he looked really town this game. That´s one fucking weak meta-read and you are not even answering how his play looks in this game. You´re both scum. | ||
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On July 31 2013 23:17 Clarity_nl wrote: I just don't understand the quoted part of rayn at all, trying to. That is all If vayne was mafia fakeclaiming and someone actually shot Malongo, after the shot vayne can´t come in and say "i was just looking for reactions and that´s why i fakeclaimed" because he will get lynched if Malongo flipped green. He can´t possibly use that as a reasoning AFTER the vigi has already shot. If they are both mafia, there is no reason for vayne to fakeclaim a cop check on Malongo because if a vigi shoots him, they lose a member for no reason. That´s why vayne is town. On July 31 2013 23:01 Clarity_nl wrote: rayn you've been calling Oats town for most of the game, so obviously the thing you noticed happened recently. What was it? This is what i just realized: Recently Oats´ scumplay has looked more and more like his town play. There is however a slight difference. Town!Oats pushes his reads from the beginning and his tone is convincing. He always has scumreads and as i, he jumps on little things from the beginning of the game and doesn´t let go of his reads until something drastically changes. What does Oats do here. He hops on into the lurker lyunch discussion (which is totally uncharacteristic to his town play). He does not call people scum for anything, yet he questions them. As town Oats calls people scum for things and THEN questions them. There is a careful tone in his play, like there was in NWM (which i never realized until i was dead). For comparsion, look at his stance on Ace in NWM N1 and D2. On night 1 Oats understands clearly what i say about Ace and agrees with me (without saying it). On D2 when i am dead he does not tunnel Ace into oblivion (which he would have done as town), no, instead he fucking defends a nuke on Ace later on. For another comparsion, look at Catch 22 mafia where Oats was town. 24 into D1 they dude has called ~3/4 of the players scum and has a clear stance on who he does want to lynch. He is not careful with his comments at all and he is pushing who the fuck does he want to push. Same can be said about bluelightz game. Compare that behaviour into this game and NWM and you can surely see the difference in his play. His scumplay is far more "calculated" and "careful", but he is trying to hide it by posting in the same style as he does as town. With one liners and questions about what is going on in thread. The difference is that as mafia he does not reach to any conclusions. He also never tried to push JAT lynch on D1, that´s not what Oats does. Oats as town wants his target lynched and is very vocal about that, always! In addition to that on D2 he had Koshi as his top 1 scumread, he has "tunneled" Koshi for the whole D2, and suddenly now for no apparent reason he is voting for XRZ who was his townread earlier. Yet again, he had no intentions to convince anyone Koshi is scum, he has no intentions to convince anyone XRZ is scum. That´s what makes Oats mafia. We can kill Koshi later. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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On August 01 2013 02:48 FirmTofu wrote: Since when does he think you guys are confirmed town? He's been flip-flopping on his reads every three pages. Just a few pages ago he was questioning Clarity. Before Day started, he had you as scum(my).We need to start holding him accountable for these drastic and completely unjustifiable read changes. Town rayn does not play this way. He is more methodical and you can clearly see his train of thought. Additionaly, you are considering hypotheticals that aren't necessarily particularly likely. What makes you think all of those people are town in the first place? It's a pretty huge leap of faith to take considering they haven't really been in the forefront of discussion until just recently. Fuck you! I have justified EVERY single read change of mine! EWvery single one, when asked! YOU HAVE NOT! ##Unvote: ##Vote: FirmTofu I am NOT going to change my vote off this mafia member any more. This bullshit has gone so fucking far it´s not funny anymore. Can the town member pease look about this game FOR A FUCKING SECOND objectively and vote for scum??? Cora, Oats plays not like in bluelightz mafia, he plays like in NWM. You are probably scum because you didn´t even read my case apparently. Seriously, wtf is with this town? Everybody is just fucking hopping around talking about some stupid claims and not having a clear stance. The fucking discussion has been going on about the claims FOR A FUCKING DAY and ~8 people can´t decide what to think of them?!?!?!? Get your fucking heads out of your asses and talk about something relevant instead! | ||
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On August 01 2013 03:23 exarezee wrote: can we please just all get on malongo please. i don't want the risk of anything stupid happening. I won't be here on computer at end of day. I will be on phone to try to prevent something stupid happening, but that's about it. I don´t fucking care because we are going to lose this game anyways. People who are actually really scummy are FT, Cora, Oats and Koshi but everyone but Stutters is refusing to even look at what´s been said about them. I can´t convince people about anything because people are not even willing to understand anything. Like it took a fucking 30 hours for people to understand what i said about vayne/Clarity/hzflank. As simple things like this take this long there is no hope for the town. | ||
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Clarity, Malongo, vayne, Stutters and hzflank are pretty damn sure to be town. exarezee is town for me by his actions on D2, he is being consistent with his actions when you mirror that to his reads. There is a slight possibility that JAT is in fact scum, but everyone else looks way more scummy, because they should be playing 1000xc better than they are atm. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:03 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: So why aren't you voting for Malongo? You are an idiot. I have told the thread fucking 5 times why i did vote for Paper in the end and STILL you fucker mafia doods are trying to discredit me fort this shit. Die scum. You´ll probably win though because town is so dumb. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:13 hzflank wrote: Cora that was another scummy dig. That's not how you scum-hunt and that's not how you convince town that someone is scum. I really think it likely that Cora/FT/Oats are of one alignment and Rayn/Stutters of the other. I am not sure which wway around it is though. You are very right here. Hopefully you figure out the right path when those idiots lynch Malongo and he is town because i have pretty much said everything i have to say and i will soon not give shit about this game any more because of dumb town. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:15 Clarity_nl wrote: Has malongo been scum in any of those games, and if not, what's not to say he plays the same amount of clueless as scum. townreads on me, hz and vayne make sense. I can see from your perspective why stutters might be town, but malongo? I don't think anyone in particular listens to me, although hz bounces off of me which is cool. I haven't played all too well. Looking townie when I'm town is my only strength. My strength about FT's scumslip townslip is waning a bit, and oats is the only person who directly agreed with it, so perhaps there is some truth there. I'm gonna go look. I don't have to look at FT because I know he looks like scum, but your oats case really did look weak. Be back in a bit. See how Malongo started the game. He did fuck up in I swear D1 by not reading the setup at all so that he got lynched on D1. In this game he was really trying to avoid it on D1, which can clearly be seen from his posts. On D2 start when vayne claimed the check on him he did in fact fuck up when he had not read the setup, so the ragequit makes perfect sense from town pov. If he was scum he would probably know there are no PM´s (because of scum QT) and he would have never twisted his answer to vayne like he did. When he realized he fucked up he knows he looks terribad and decided to just give up. If he was mafia, think about it. Noone is even accusing him of anything concrete but not reading the setup. Just put out some reads and you are okay again. His ragequit makes zero sense from mafia perspective, and if he was faking it, he would have to fake about not knowing there are no PM´s. Do you think Malongo is capable of doing that as mafia? The same guy who as town shot his mason-buddy in I swear 1h into the game because he couldn´t figure out what was the purpose of the QT he was in??? No... fucking... way... The thing with Oats is that if he is town, he calls everyone scum when he sees a scummy post. Then he starts questioning them. Here he is far more conservative about his reads. town!Oats does not have zero scumreads 24h into D1, no fucking way. Also the fact that Oats & Cora are not on each other´s throats makes them both very likely mafia. Those are the two players who tunnel the shit out of people (besides me) and when they get into an argument they will not let go, usually even when they are clearly wrong, because they believe in theirselves. Now they are both just dropping some questions or minor shit on each other and not interacting with each other at all. That´s fucking fishy and that´s not how it goes when at least one of them is town. FT is scum. I don´t need to say anything more on this. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:29 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: .... So, in summary: -Malongo's activity levels have been very unsatisfactory and he is trying to blend in -Has not done very much scum-hunting -His hz vote is really weak and he continued to push hz even after he had voted for FirmTofu -Voted for FirmTofu without any explanation and did nothing to push the FT lynch -Initial reaction from VA's fake-check was to draw out a vigilante shot (not totally scummy but there's possible scum motivation) -Ragequits are not 100% town-tells Malongo looks like the best lynch to me, and I hope you all can agree with me. - Does not make Malongo scum, in fact it´s perfectly in line with his town play - Does not make Malongo scum, in fact he is trying more here than in his latest town games - Does not make Malongo scum, because he does dumb stuff all the time - Does definitely not make Malongo scum as you said yourself rofl - Does definitely not make Malongo scum | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: - Does not make Malongo scum, in fact it´s perfectly in line with his town play - Definitely does not make Malongo scum based on his last games - Does not make Malongo scum, in fact he is trying more here than in his latest town games - Does not make Malongo scum, because he does dumb stuff all the time - Does definitely not make Malongo scum as you said yourself rofl - Does definitely not make Malongo scum | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:38 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Have you ever thought that perhaps I'm tired of dealing with Oats? I used to have his problem with Marv where we would tunnel each other every game as townies, and then we just decided to stay out of each other's way. Do you want Oats and I to tunnel each other? No. It's bad for the town. Why are you calling me scum for doing something townie? lol. You don´t get into a single argument with oats because you are both scum. That´s not townie, you are not even trying to figure out his alignment and vice versa. You STILL get into shitfests with marv. In every game. Even when you try to stop it you just add more fuel into the fire. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:41 hzflank wrote: I would totally lynch FT before Mal. I don't like the FT lynch because Rayn has tunneled him all game. To be honest, Lynching FT/Oats/Cora is similar to me though as they are probably all of the same alignment. I just think that Stutters is the better choice. Seriously though, one of Stutters and Cora should be scum here. FT flippinmg scum will prove that i am town. Vote for scum FT plz. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:44 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Rayn. I voted for Oats D1. I spent the first part of the game attacking him. Are you serious right now? I just came to the conclusion that Oats is not trying to play the game and he is posting one-liners and not giving out any analysis. It looks exactly like what he did in Bluelightz. Since I'm guessing you weren't paying attention in Bluelightz, you would also know that I did not get into any shitfests with Marv. Do you want to see a shitfest between Marv and I? Read our filters in Personality Mafia 2. We tunneled each other to death in that game. Your vote was a throwaway and you never tried to figure out his alignment for real. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:47 Clarity_nl wrote: Stutters being scum would only make sense if vayne is also scum in my eyes. I was pretty sure stutters was scum at the end of n1, then his reply to vayne's claim made him look town. vayne is totally town. So is Stutters. Lynch FT. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:57 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: What if he makes 1 or 2 posts and votes himself again? He won't be modkilled in that instance. HE WONT BECAUSE HE IS TOWN AND WILL STEP UP HIS GAME! HE THINKS HE IS GOING TO GET LYNCHED TODAY! You are dumb, that´s not how it works if he is ragequitting as town as he is. scum, you can die after FT! | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:04 FirmTofu wrote: Hey guys. Looks like I'm about to die. As long as you guys vote rayn and stutters tomorrow, I'm willing to take this hit for town. I am VT. For all of you who are still deciding, I will answer any questions you might have. For all of those voting me, explain to me why I would post all of my reads for all of town to scrutinize. Explain to me why I have been pursuing my scumreads and justifying them appropriately. Ask yourself if this is scum behavior. Ask yourself if scum would want to behave like this. Because all of your reads took a 180 after D1 flip. You have not justified your scumreads. Yes, you would do this as scum. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:05 VayneAuthority wrote: makes zero sense to me given how he treated my fake claim. He immediately voted for malongo and was like "no way is he fakeclaiming" if it's a real claim, terrible time to do it because I don't have enough time to assess it now. anddd im gone On August 01 2013 07:05 hzflank wrote: Rayn your cop claim wont save you if FT flips green, btw. Let's make that clear right now  OMFG WHY IS THIS TOWN SO FUCKIFDASFDAFASDFASDNG IDIOTIC=P!?"!?!"?"!!"?)%¤"! RIFSKACSDGJMWEtpoh23 | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:12 Koshi wrote: If FT flips scum, rayn and hz are my new heroes. It goes 1. hz 2. Vivax 3. rayn (because he is pretty bad at playing scum :D) I am not bad at playing scum and you are scum so... | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:13 Clarity_nl wrote: Claiming VT is the equivalent of going BUT REALLY GUYS IM TOWN Except if you live, you screw over town. Makes no sense. 100% right. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:13 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I'm voting Malongo because he is scum. Is that not the same reason you are voting for FT? You're hard defending Malongo by attacking FT. You're too afraid to see your scumbuddy flip because you will be the next to join him. That's what I think. If you think i am fakeclaiming you should be voting for me now. ggnore scum. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:15 Koshi wrote: Yeah, if FT flips red I should just find a way to modkill me without getting banned lol. You are also not bad as scum nor town.. Step up if you are town. Look at Oats & Cora when we flip dat first scum. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:16 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I think you are town. I just think that you are misguided. You refuse to see Malongo being scum and you turn a blind eye to all of his scummy posts and all of the bad things I point out about him. So can you please explain why you check Vayne and why you felt the need to claim just to get Vayne to vote with you? scumslip, right there.! another scum caught <3 | ||
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Cora: "You're hard defending Malongo by attacking FT. You're too afraid to see your scumbuddy flip because you will be the next to join him. That's what I think." Me: "If you think i am fakeclaiming you should be voting for me now. ggnore scum." Cora: "I think you are town. I just think that you are misguided. You refuse to see Malongo being scum and you turn a blind eye to all of his scummy posts and all of the bad things I point out about him." Good D3 lynch. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:29 FirmTofu wrote: Looks like no one is going to read anything I have to say. Town deserves to lose. I'm done with this game. OH, SO NOW YOU HAVE NO READS TO SHARE???? HOW CONVENIENT!!!!! Die scum! Die in a fire! | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:32 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Confirmation bias. FT's given plenty of reads and shared them all. what about your scumslip dude? | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:32 FirmTofu wrote: I'm pretty sure I can't because it's against the rules. I probably would, though. no it´s not, do it. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:36 justanothertownie wrote: So, clarity, hz, koshi, rayn, stutters, xrz and me would be 7 XRZ said he is gonna get back. If Koshi does not stay he is scum 100%. Can´t count on Malongo & vayne, Oats is scum so he won´t vote for FT. Anyways this gonna be easy, no-lynch gives us a mislynch either way. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:40 hzflank wrote: The problem is not majority voting, it's majority vote combined with a 10/4 start. As I have said previously in this thread, town needs strong PRs to balance that setup..and I kind of blew mine (I still think that I needed to though). yeah your claim was ok. you reduced the shit in thread (which people did not see) by claiming. Can you now see why i have said what i have? I have tried to reduce the shit in thread but town has been so bad they are talking about irrelevant stuff (claims) whole D2. Now it´s time to lynch mafia. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:40 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: So Malongo, Vayne, me, Oats, FT, and possibly Koshi are scum? That's a few too many bro. You still are not reading. Try harder scum. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:43 FirmTofu wrote: Why would everyone assume I am scum? Aside from the fact that rayn thinks I'm scum, why should they revote me on Day 3? This particular bandwagon is just a panicky lynch that isn't based on anything in particular. I think I could sufficiently defend myself given more time and a rational argument. There has been rational arguments against you throughout the game, you have not defended yourself. Now die mafia dude. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:45 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Well Rayn, when you put this: With this: It leads me to conclude this: I'm just making conclusions based off of your posts Rayn. Unless you didn't mean those posts too just like your town read on paperscraps... Because MAlongo has ragequitted already. vayne is a stubborn idiot and probably won´t get back. Which paart is so hard to understand. You are not this dumb, therefore scum. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:51 FirmTofu wrote: This town is probably the worst I've ever seen. Why don´t you give us some good list of reads you can change after the flip like last time? This time you are far more likely to be lynched than on D1. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:52 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I'm not twisting shit. Rayn literally said that anyone who doesn't vote for FT is scum and then named off 5 people who weren't voting for FT. I'm just connecting the dots. t_T | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:54 FirmTofu wrote: If and when I flip, I want town to gaurantee that they will KILL rayn, JAT, and stutters If you guys can at least promise and execute this, I will be happy. So town only has a veteran and no other PR´s? Cool story bro. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:55 VayneAuthority wrote: it doesn't say that in the OP so if you could ask mods for me since im time crunched right now that would be great. If you really need my vote I can change it but it wasnt specified in the OP Please vayne, can you jsut vote for FT. PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:57 exarezee wrote: i am here on phone. dont like where its headed. gonna be same discussion next day re malongo. i can live with tofu as i think its tofukoshimalongo scum. VOTE FOR FT! DO IT! PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE IS MAFIA!!! IN FUCKING BIG RED LETTERS! | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:59 VayneAuthority wrote: any mods reading is what they are saying true? if it is thats really dumb. you would need pretty much every town in game to agree with each other wtf. I can't believe that it sounds too stupid vayne let´s talk about this post game, but yes, that´s what majority lynch means, we need players / 2 +1 to kill anyone. Now vote for FT. He is mafia. | ||
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we gotta kill FT., Clarity, look at it,. Cora is caliming scum because that would "clear" FT and FT has a better role (like gf/roleblocker) than he does, Core is not this bad, we gotta lynch FT. | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:07 FirmTofu wrote: My question to you, "Why is rayn unwilling to switch to Cora if he truly believes he is scum?" Because you are fucking both scum and again, I JUST EXPLAINED IT!!!!! i´m really gonna cry after this game. fuck the town is uncapable to realize anything. Every single fucking comment FT makes is scum. | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:11 FirmTofu wrote: If I know I am town and Cora is the only other possible lynch, why wouldn't I vote him? Use your fucking brain. BVECAUSE YOU ACCUSED ME OF VOTING YOUR TONWREAD ON D1, THATS YTOUR FUCKING CASE ON ME YOU SCUM! | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: BVECAUSE YOU ACCUSED ME OF VOTING YOUR TONWREAD ON D1, THATS YTOUR FUCKING CASE ON ME YOU SCUM! EBWOP: MY townread | ||
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This is fucking doomed. I am gonna die on N2 and the town is doomed because of dumb. vayne & Malongo scum MVP while being town, just saying. | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:22 hzflank wrote: If Exar was cop he would of called Rayn out on previously claiming cop. no he would not. nowhere is it to be said there can be only one cop. ¨vote for malongo, if he flips town XRZ is confirmed scum. This is our best bet. | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:23 justanothertownie wrote: So, who do we lynch now - FT? are you fucking dumb? | ||
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You are all so utterly fucking idiots. IDIOTS! LYNCH THE COP! LYNCH THE COP! fuck you all. | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:26 Clarity_nl wrote: Ugh, okay I need to slow down. Rayn, it is a 1-1 trade if we lynch xrz as well. I do suppose that there is a chance he's telling the truth, and if he stays alive we have two cops = 1 check. YOU ARE LYNCHING A FUCKING COP OVER AN USELESS DUDE TO ENSURE 1-1?= | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:34 Koshi wrote: ahh ffs. I edited... modkill this scum! | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:40 Koshi wrote: I agree with this as well. I have read XRZ his filter so many times and today he was off his game it seems, but a red check on Malongo would explain it. I am the worst mafia player. lololololololol No you are not, you just scum. | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:43 hzflank wrote: Sorry if I am being egotistical, but could they be risking this to save the janitor for a 50% chance of day-vigging the confirmed Vet? FT is probably janitor/roleblocker. | ||
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On August 01 2013 11:37 Oatsmaster wrote: ok summerize it for me. XRZ claimed a red check on Malongo 40 minutes before the lynch. You also claimed cop with a green check on who? I thought i wan confirmed scum? Why so scared? | ||
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Anyways we are not going to lynch a green report unless there are 3 flipped scum and noone of them is a GF. Oats is like confirmed scum for having Malongo as a scumread and starting a wagon on his townread XRZ when the opposing wagons are Malongo/FT. FT is scum too, and Cora (in case vayne is not GF). XRZ - i suggest you check into FT/Cora although you are gonna die. | ||
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On August 01 2013 20:27 Clarity_nl wrote: I dunno how you could be shouting that if you are actually cop. You believe two cops without a framer role is likely? I can understand not counterclaiming vayne immediately, but xrz claims cop and you go FUCK YEAH LYNCH HIS TARGET. Why can´t there be 2 cops? 3 PR´s is pretty standard with such strong scum PR´s available. It´s pretty clear that we don´t have a vigi or a doc. Why is that even unlike to have 2 cops? As i said i have assumed that there are 2 cops since vayne´s fakeclaim. | ||
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On August 01 2013 21:10 Clarity_nl wrote: Do you constantly feel the need to add stuff like this? Like, do you feel superior when you say stuff like this or something? No, i am sorry. I just get really mad when people are flinging all sorts of crazy conspiracy theories that me and vayne straight out bussed Malongo for no apparent reason at the start of D2 around, and don´t even think about the most basic setup stuff and want to lynch a cop with a red result as a conclusion... | ||
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There is most likely 3 town power roles. That makes all the claims true. Mafia has a roleblocker because of Clarity´s claim, it would be stupid to claim roleblocked N1 if there was no roleblocker, that will shoot you back at some point, because your team needs to claim roleblocked all nights. As mafia has a roleblocker they have to assume there are at least 2 roles to block. Therefore it´s stupid to fake a roleblock (far more beneficial to try to block a town role - as Clarity was not in direct danger of getting lynched on D2). This means me, Clarity, XRZ and hzflank are town. vayne is town for what i said, there is no reason to buss his teammate at the start of D2, he could not possibly know i have a green check on him, he could not possibly know if there was a vigi or not. That leaves us with a pool of Stutters, you, FT, Cora, Oats and JAT. Stutters has been following me all game long and thinks alike me. I am inclined to believe he is town as in addition to that scum are pushing his lynch, at least softly. You are again trying to make sense, and your theories i find hard to come up with if you were mafia. I don´t think you would post what you did about vayne if you were scum, that would be way too twisted. I think you are town aswell. JAT hopped on in FT/CJS/Malongo wagons really easily. There absolutely has to be at least 2 scum in those people (unless i am horribly wrong about Stutters - which i think i am not), and i do not think JAT would buss like that as it´s his first game. Oats was also wanting to lynch JAT earlier. Makes me think he is town. Oats, Cora and FT are not making any sense in this game. Oats attacked XRZ for no reason on D2. Cora is fucking absent and not doing anything and unable to understand anything. Him and Oats are not trying to figure each other out. If one of them was town they would call that fishy as fuck, but no. FT has done scummy stuff over and over again as many people have pointed out. There are our three remaining mafia dudes. Lynch them. | ||
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On August 01 2013 21:30 Oatsmaster wrote: rayn is so purposely being bad. he is scum. TMR YOU DIE. Rayn, why would I try and lynch my townread why I can perfectly stay on Malongo for the sweet sweet towncred? Because you do not wanna lynch your teammate, obviously.. | ||
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On August 01 2013 21:37 Oatsmaster wrote: cause Vivax is good at mafia and I wasnt confident in Malongo not being stupid town and koshi's resurgence was nice. So you never talk about FT or Clarity. Mainly about FT who was Vivax´s another top suspect and a lynch candidate and way more scummy than XRZ? Come on Oats... You´re just scum. | ||
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On August 01 2013 21:48 Oatsmaster wrote: So Rayn, why did you switch off FT onto Malongo? After not talking about Malongo AT ALL? Because of a fucking red check on him?!?! wtf are you doing? | ||
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On August 01 2013 21:54 Oatsmaster wrote: So you werent suspicious at all of a claimed red check that happened less than hour before lynch? No i was not, because at best it was a 1-1 trade for mafia, XRZ was not in danger of getting lynched, i was already under the assumption there are 2 cops. Why would i be suspicious? Makes zero sense for XRZ to fakeclaim like that. | ||
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On August 01 2013 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Or because town/scum oats doesnt want to read 10 fucking pages of 1 liners close enough to obtain your proper intentions. You´re being a hypocrite, because you are the one with 10 pages of one liners that do not say shit. Again, i have explained that and i won´t do it again. Start reading the thread perhaps? | ||
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On August 01 2013 22:17 hzflank wrote: Rayn if you are scum you must be pissed off about Exar's claim. I just want to warn you just in case we do have a doctor: you will be even more pissed off if someone doc's Exar :p XRZ is a complete idiot if he checks me. And we do not have a doc. They would have docced Vivax on N1. | ||
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On August 01 2013 22:35 hzflank wrote: Rayn, what do you think of this Do you really think that Vayne would of done that as VT? I can see Vayne doing it as cop or doctor, but not as VT. I think that any competent cop should have not CC´d vayne unless they had a red check on him. There is also no scum motivation for vayne to claim a red check on his scumbuddy. Your theory does not hold water. | ||
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On August 01 2013 22:45 Oatsmaster wrote: k so rayn got really angry. Why were you so angry rayn? I am done talking to you scum. You are clearly not even trying to understand what you are reading. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On August 01 2013 08:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: YOU ARE LYNCHING A FUCKING COP OVER AN USELESS DUDE TO ENSURE 1-1?= On August 01 2013 08:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: YOU ARE LYNCHING A FUCKING COP OVER AN USELESS DUDE TO ENSURE 1-1?= On August 01 2013 08:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: YOU ARE LYNCHING A FUCKING COP OVER AN USELESS DUDE TO ENSURE 1-1?= On August 01 2013 08:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: YOU ARE LYNCHING A FUCKING COP OVER AN USELESS DUDE TO ENSURE 1-1?= On August 01 2013 08:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: YOU ARE LYNCHING A FUCKING COP OVER AN USELESS DUDE TO ENSURE 1-1?= Is it quoted enought times now? | ||
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Yeah because FT is definitely scum and there are stupid townies like vayne who were refusing to vote for him because they had not read the OP. And stupid townies were trying to set another wagon on CJS which would have probably made the day a no-lynch unless XRZ did put the town into right track. Noone other than me even fucking tried to make a scum lynch happen. | ||
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On August 01 2013 22:57 Oatsmaster wrote: wait wait wait. So you are lynching people on pure setup speculation?(this means you explain) When did you claim cop? I checked back to when i posted the xrz vote, didnt see it, No, vayne was refusing to vote for scum because he couldn´t figure out this game is a majority lynch. You are not even reading, again. It´s all in the same pages in where i was angry. Also that was the reason why i claimed, guess where, in the same pages you are talking about, the same pages which you have not clearly read!! | ||
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I take this as you are saying you were pushing a scum lynch. Does this look like that kinda pushing in your opinion: On August 01 2013 07:55 Clarity_nl wrote: This seems pretty reasonable if you flip green. Obviously doublechecking some stuff but yeah, that's reasonable. On August 01 2013 08:03 Clarity_nl wrote: can we get a check for who's willing to switch to CJS at this point? I know I am. His behavior, regardless of tofu's alignment, is scummy On August 01 2013 08:10 Clarity_nl wrote: Yo rayn. I understand, but as you said, looks like we might not be able to lynch tofu. If we lynch cora, it'll be easier to lynch tofu tomorro. When there is not a single fucking vote on Corazon and 5 on Tofu.... On August 01 2013 08:13 Clarity_nl wrote: Let's give it a go. ##Vote CaptainJackSparrow Let's go Vayne On August 01 2013 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote: ##Unvote (is this realy necesarry?) ##Vote Exarzee Because i do not think that reads as trying to lynch mafia. You were trying to get another wagon (that has 0 votes) going when you can convince people to vote for the dude you think is mafia and has 5 votes on them. Then you vote for the cop over a red check. Seriously? You probably just fucked up but please do not feed us with this bullshit. | ||
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On August 01 2013 23:07 Oatsmaster wrote: I really hate reading 10 pages of 1 liners of people screaming about shit where there is 1 line of cause I sure as shit didnt see this Im a cop and checked vayne, totes green Big letters do not make my claim any more or less true. Townies read the thread and notice the claims even if they are written normally. Scum like you on the other hand don´t read the thread and miss important stuff like that. | ||
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On August 01 2013 23:31 Oatsmaster wrote: So lets say FT is town Rayn, how do your reads change? FT is scum so there is no need to discuss that. | ||
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On August 01 2013 23:39 VayneAuthority wrote: My scum team has been malongo/rayn/JAT/ Haven't revealed yet so Idk. The fact that we are potentially lacking a vig and doc actually helps rayn out a lot. I could kinda see a vet and 2 cop setup. If there is ever a vig shot or doctor save, lynch rayn immediately though We don´t have a vig or doc. You can be sure of that. The vig should have shot Malongo when you gave out the red check, and the doc should have docced Vivax N1 unless beyond retarded. 4 PR´s is pretty much not possible so if there is one of those roles then hz must somehow be lying, but i do not think that´s the case as his claim sounds so legit. | ||
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On August 01 2013 23:45 hzflank wrote: To play devil's advocate, if you think two cops are possible then when I made that claim I could of thought 2 vets were possible. Two vets are a nightmare for mafia because that´s two people that are semi-confirmed and it takes mafia 4 nights to kill them. | ||
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On August 01 2013 23:49 hzflank wrote: Think about what I just said: Stutters wants to lynch scum. Stutters thinks that FT and Mal are both scum. Stutters thinks that if Mal is in fact town then he is a liability to town. Why would Stutters push hard to lynch FT instead of Mal? In Stutters mind: FT is likely scum. Mal is likely scum but if Mal is town then we are screwed. If Stutters was telling the truth about his reads he should of preferred a Mal lynch, but he pushed FT lynch hard. Because tbh, at least from my pov FT was like 1000x scummier than Malongo. I don´t lynch people for being useless and noone else should. They should lynch scum. | ||
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On August 01 2013 23:53 VayneAuthority wrote: and it was a good lesson in why you don't let self-voters go punished. Don't think I forgot about anyone ad-hom attacking me yesterday when I was staying on him. You look suspicious as fuck. That's probably rayn's biggest scum trait right now I was not attacking you. I was telling you you had not read the setup and i thought FT was more likely to be scum than Malongo. You were stubborn enough to stay on Malongo even when it was quite clear (before XRZ´s claim) that Malongo is not gonna get lynched and your stubborness would have made us no-lynch. I have a green check on you, i have not attacked you in this game because i am 99% sure you are town, at least after N1. | ||
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We are town pretty sure and this is getting us nowhere. Nobody is accusing you ofg anything but not reading the OP and possibly causing a no-lynch which did not even happen. I am pretty sure both of us were right, because i think FT is mafia and i think there are no scum in FT wagon at that time. We are good, we lynched scum, it´s no use to argue about that unless you think it somehow makes me/Clarity scum, which i don´t understand because you don´t know if FT is mafia or not for sure. | ||
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On August 02 2013 00:10 Oatsmaster wrote: hehe, you know Im right man. YOU KNOW IT BOY! townies defend town all the time. scum defend townies all the time. scum defend scum all the time. there is nothing alignment indicative in your defence. other than it´s really fucking bad based on one "townslip" and you are ignoring every single other thing FT has done. | ||
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On August 02 2013 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote: The townslip is the thing that makes him town. + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: lolol, did OO just claim scum? On June 23 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: Vote: ObviousOne On June 23 2013 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: that's like a 100% scumclaim in my eyes. On June 23 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ehh.. Sloosh viewed you as scum as you asked some random person (Goag) about Oats. You are perfectly fine with that because you think it's true as you said to me. I hereby show you that scum are able to fake finding scumslips. You argue against that with "you are able to, but FT is not". You have never seen FT play scum. Do you see where your argument falls apart? Now, try some other posts of his. | ||
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On August 02 2013 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont see how my argument falls apart unless you quote a post made by a scumplayer about finding a scumslip in someones filter through 1 specific post that clearly isnt a scumslip if read properly. You didnt even quote the OO 'scumclaim'. You are fucking ridiculous. You don´t have to do anything, everyone needs to hand everything for you on a silver plate and waste time explaining you the most obvious stuff ever. You are not interested in finding mafia, you are not interested in playing this game. You are scum. Go look at Sloosh/OO filter from the game you played and probably very well remember the incident, because you have commented on it in that game! I encourage everyone else do so. Sloosh calls OO scum and talks about other stuff. OO calls Sloosh´s post "right and good", therefore he is basically calling himself scum. Funny thing is i was actually scum with OO in that game and knew people are not going to buy that scumslip theory and are going to argue against it. It´s not fucking hard to fake finding a scumslip as mafia, no matter how good or bad you are. | ||
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On August 02 2013 00:42 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I think you should stop giving out percentages on your reads... If you are town Rayn, you need to face the music and realize that you were simply wrong. The fact that you are just bashing Oats and calling him scum even thought it has NOTHING to do with the vote or what happened or anything is super scummy. Are you trying to figure out who is scum and who is town, or are you just trying to shove your reads down everyone's throat. Every other post of yours looks like: You're playing super defensive. How come? Yet again Corazon amazes us with a post that has none scumhunting in it, only discrediting for bad reasons. For the record i am not defensive, i am aggressive and have been throughout the game. You have clearly no intention to find mafia this game, therefore you are scum. | ||
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On August 02 2013 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote: No I dont have to do anything ever when you cant prove someone is scum. Wait so OO was scum? dude. like no contest man, FT's townslip about finding a scumslip was WAY FUCKING DIFFERENT. HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THAT BEFORE YOU LISTEN? HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES HUH? How is it different? How? How did you know at that time they were not both scum? How do you know it now? How can you explain this, and what difference does it make if you are accusing your scumbuddy or a townie? rayn, so you played roughly 7-10 games with me, is this similar to, these 3 games? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&user=Oatsmaster http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407704&user=Oatsmaster http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&user=Oatsmaster Or these 3 games? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418641&user=iGrok&user=Oatsmaster http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417453&user=Oatsmaster http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420356&user=Oatsmaster - Ego: Everyone is a townread, let´s live happily ever after! <3 Same as here early on. - Dr Who: I dodn´t play in that game so i´m not even looking at it. - NWM: You are also far more cheery when you are town. In NWM you were accusing people throughout the game but you didn´t really want anyone lynched, ever. Your play is really similar here. - Basterd: First post is a vote on me, solid town!Oats. You are actually reasoning your reads and trying to lynch people. - Catch 22: Fourth post is a vote. You have strong opinions on every person you comment on. Definitely town. - Bluelightz game: You again want to lynch people throughout early D1. Strong opinions. Funny note: "Why are we even talking about lurkers when there is only like 7 pages???" Compare this attitude to this game, where you talk about lurker lynches for the first 24 hours. How much more i have to say? | ||
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On August 02 2013 01:31 cDgCorazon wrote: Admit it Rayn, you are wrong. You've been using shitty heuristics all game (confirmation bias, (1)association cases before flips, refusing to look at anyone's arguments). What do you expect to happen when you are wrong? (2)You voted for your town reads. Twice. Do you understand how scummy that looks Rayn? It's ridiculous. You're trying to drive an FT lynch home so much that you basically hard-defended Malongo. Then you just 180 on your Malongo read and vote for him. What gives? You were so resistant to vote out scum, and that looks super suspicious. (3)I have all the intention to find mafia this game. In fact, I already did. At least I'm smart enough to not vote for people I think are 95% town and 99% town, respectively. (1): Point me out to one single association case i have made. (2): I have fully explained why i did vote for Paper when i did. You believing/not believing me is another thing. You also did nothing to accomplish a mafia lynch on D1. (3): Show me where you have found mafia? Definitely not on D1. Definitely not on D2? If you are talking about me, definitely not on N2. | ||
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On August 02 2013 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: How is it different? How? How did you know at that time they were not both scum? How do you know it now? How can you explain this, and what difference does it make if you are accusing your scumbuddy or a townie? - Ego: Everyone is a townread, let´s live happily ever after! <3 Same as here early on. - Dr Who: I dodn´t play in that game so i´m not even looking at it. - NWM: You are also far more cheery when you are town. In NWM you were accusing people throughout the game but you didn´t really want anyone lynched, ever. Your play is really similar here. - Basterd: First post is a vote on me, solid town!Oats. You are actually reasoning your reads and trying to lynch people. - Catch 22: Fourth post is a vote. You have strong opinions on every person you comment on. Definitely town. - Bluelightz game: You again want to lynch people throughout early D1. Strong opinions. Funny note: "Why are we even talking about lurkers when there is only like 7 pages???" Compare this attitude to this game, where you talk about lurker lynches for the first 24 hours. How much more i have to say? If you really want my opinion on your play in Dr Who, you are again not calling anyone scum. Scum. | ||
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Lynch Oatsmaster, the mafia dude on D3. He is scum! | ||
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On August 02 2013 01:52 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: 1: 2: Yet you still gave me a strong town read on N1. Why did you do that if I had done nothing to accomplish a mafia lynch on D1? 3: 1: That´s not an association case. You are both guilty of same thing. Had you tunneled Oats or the other way around i might have a town read on one of you. That´s a thing that makes you both more likely to be mafia, independently. 2: Because i did not know your identity when i posted my reads, and you made sense before that. After that, you have not made sense. 3: Give me some posts where you push Malongo´s lynch really hard, because that lynch would not have happened if XRZ had not claimed. Show me some proof where you really really want to lynch Malongo and push that hard, because i can´t see it. Everyone who voted for Malongo was equally right (besides XRZ), and it´s physically impossible for everyone of them to be town. | ||
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Yes, your town meta is different from your scum meta. As i have said before, as town you do this: call people scum -> vote for your scumread -> ask them questions/tunnel them -> don´t let go As scum you do this: ask people questions -> softly call some people scum -> don´t push their lynches | ||
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On August 02 2013 02:04 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: 1. That's totally an association case. You're shipping us together because we haven't been attacking each other. How is that not an association case? 2. So knowing my identity changed your N1 read on me? So now you are saying the case on me is based on meta? Why do I get different reads for the same post now that you know my identity? The same person has been typing on this account the whole game. 3. + Show Spoiler [Not In Chronological Order] + On August 01 2013 06:29 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Why Malongo is scum and why we need to lynch him: Taking a look at Malongo's filter, it's kind of obvious that his guy is scum. I'll dissect his filter for a bit. His first major analysis post: This vote for hzflank is really poorly reasoned. He reads the first 24 hours of posts and that is all he can come up with? He votes for hz because hz was stating his opinion about LaL-ing and Malongo disagrees with it. If Malongo was really going to attack someone for the reason he attacked hzflank, he should have attacked the people who started the lurker lynching conversation to begin with. All in all, it looks like a forced case and a really bad entry into the thread, considering that it was late and he had a lot more information to work on. Then there is his vote on FT: What kind of vote is this? There's absolutely no explanation as to why he wants to vote for FirmTofu. He even admits that hzflank is still his top scumread, so why is he changing his vote to FT? It makes absolutely no sense. This was not even close to the end of D1. It's just an attempt by him to look like he is trying to scumhunt when in fact he isn't. He continues to push an hzflank lynch while his vote is still on FirmTofu (spoilered to condense the post): + Show Spoiler + On July 29 2013 06:44 Malongo wrote: This is hzflank on Paper: How can that be mafia if the game had just started? You expect something like a paper on who is mafia based on 10 pages of posts? guy addressed one by one each player and you get angry because he doesnt respond directly to you This is a lie as proof you can actually find the exchange that he actually answers you directly: So actually you are telling that you dont understand Paper so he is not town. See the logic flaw? Well actually his one sentence makes more sense to me than these case. He calls Vivax directly lurker because there was no reason behind his vote. How is that in any ways indicative of mafia? if something he liked your own way to be abrasive. What? most people look at Paper as null towards townie, I dont see anyone calling him town. What I am sure is your post is really forced towards Paper He then suddenly goes back to an hz lynch: While his vote is finally following his actual suspicions, why did he stray in the first place? And then there is the fakecheck, to which he responds: The fact that he wants the vigilante to shoot him to see if VA is telling the truth is really scummy. A town player would try to prove that he is town by his posting and his scum hunting. Malongo just goes out and asks for a vigilante hit on him. It's almost as if he was trying to bait out a vigilante shot knowing he was going to get lynched. It would be beneficial for scum because he could get rid of a vigilante shot and narrow the pool of blues down. The ragequit happened but as I said earlier: So, in summary: -Malongo's activity levels have been very unsatisfactory and he is trying to blend in -Has not done very much scum-hunting -His hz vote is really weak and he continued to push hz even after he had voted for FirmTofu -Voted for FirmTofu without any explanation and did nothing to push the FT lynch -Initial reaction from VA's fake-check was to draw out a vigilante shot (not totally scummy but there's possible scum motivation) -Ragequits are not 100% town-tells Malongo looks like the best lynch to me, and I hope you all can agree with me. On August 01 2013 05:45 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Are the Malongo votes for realsies or are people just faking interest in lynching him? I still think he is very likely to flip scum if we lynch him. On July 30 2013 14:32 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I would be down for a Malongo lynch. He's being scummy as fuck and has not scumhunted at all this game. Also, he still has yet to explain his hipster vote which is ridiculously scummy in a majority lynch voting system. ##Vote: Malongo On August 01 2013 06:55 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: At least FT is going to defend himself and he will scumhunt on D3. What is Malongo going to do? Nothing. We're going to sit here and think about Malongo's lynch some more because we didn't lynch him today. Basically if we keep Malongo around, the issue of lynching him is going to stick around every single day until we lynch him. Do you really want to be sitting at D5/6/7 with a complete question mark and a complete crapshoot in Malongo? I definitely would not want to do that. FirmTofu is going to continue to give us posts that will help us determine his alignment even more accurately. Malongo is going to continue to be a crapshoot. Let's get rid of the mystery earlier and get this town headed in a better and clearer direction. 1: No it´s not. Cora is not tunneling Oats, Cora gets "scum points". Oats is not tunneling Cora, Oats gets "scummy points'. If Cora or Oats was tunneling the other one, they would get "townie points" based on meta, not bopth of them, only the one who would do that. 2: No i am not, i already explained it in my last post. Your identity has nothing to do with my ealrly read on you. The read changed when you started not giving shit about the game, which was after i posted my reads the first time. 3: You are half right on here, i must admit. Although it really rubs me in the wrong way because Malongo is either a lynchbait or the best bussing target ever. He might not have been in scum QT for the whole game, who knows. You also only start pushing him really hard when votes start piling up on FT. We also told you with Clarity how your case did not hold water, i still think it didn´t. Even though you were right or "right", you were right for wrong reasons. Which brings me to another point. 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Your play drastically changed from "trying to figure things out" -> "not trying to figure things out". I dunno why that is so hard to understand. lol Cora. I also said Malongo was scum when people were willing to vote for XRZ over him. What´s your point? I know you made a case on him, that does not make you town. Fair enough, you think i am scum. I don´t give a shit tbh, because i am going to die at last on N3. Because i am going to lynch mafia!Oatsmaster on D3. | ||
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On August 02 2013 02:45 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I thought I was going to be lynched tomorrow? Nah, Oats goes first. I´m far more convinced that he´s mafia than that you are. | ||
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On August 02 2013 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats, be honest with me here. Did you or did you not understand my case on Ace in NWM N1? Could you answer it please? | ||
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On August 02 2013 03:30 Koshi wrote: To me he looks town because he looks at everybody and challenges everybody. He attacked XRZ, HZ, Clarity, Vivax. Discusses JAT, Malongo and you. He makes a solid case on XRZ which is an unknown player and sticks to it for a long time. Read page 2 and 3 in his filter. It's all there. I don´t really know if attacking everybody is a town tell. It´s easy to promote a chaotic atmosphere by attacikng everybody. It´s also easy to look town early on in the game by that way, because you look like you are gaining information. I don´t think his case on XRZ was solid at all, as somebody else (Vivax if i remember correctly) pointed out too. Actually FT called XRZ out for same stuff he did himself a couple of posts later. If it did make XRZ scum why does he do that too? | ||
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On August 02 2013 05:00 VayneAuthority wrote: nah exarzee went full retard there. Hz was trying to protect him from dying tonight but he's too dumb to realize it, just like his dumb last second claim No, it does not achieve anything. Scum already knows if XRZ is a cop or not, if he dies tonight they have a reason to throw shit at HZ, and it´s justified. These games are not won by blues, but a good town atmosphere and scumhunting. These kind of "over phase change shenanigans" are always bad for town. | ||
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On August 02 2013 05:08 justanothertownie wrote: So, you want my help? How can I help you? I am of the opinion it is not necessary for me to build all the theories before the night is over and there is more information because I am never going to be the nightkill this time. It always helps us to know who you think is mafia and who is not. If you are not telling us you might draw a cop check onto you, which is bad if you are town because cops should be checking scum. If you are not afraid of dying because of you being new what´s the harm of sharing your thoughts? | ||
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On August 02 2013 05:24 VayneAuthority wrote: I think the scum in this game is very dumb actually lol If you actually go back and read yesterday malongo didn't even need to get lynched so yea I don't take them as very smart people whoever asked that Why is that? There was a fucking red check on him? | ||
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On August 02 2013 07:35 Clarity_nl wrote: Like, I don't understand how you go from "If JAT is town, Stutters has to be scum" to "JAT and Stutters are obvtown" I don't even understand how you got from JAT being scum to him being town Because everyone else seemed pretty town at that point and filter dove pretty much everyone after that. | ||
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On August 02 2013 08:04 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm gonna go to bed. Doubt I'll die so no list but let me leave some thoughts on rayn. rayn, although your claim makes no real sense as scum, but I'm finding it hard to see you claiming like that as town as well. You basically claimed to get vayne to vote off of malongo... which obviously in hindsight looks pretty bad. If I work from the perspective that your claim is null, then the things I just pointed out look pretty damn scummy. I don't think it's enough to lynch you d3, but you're worth looking at more closely. If there are no more blue claims and rayn survives till mylo/lylo then he's probably town. If another blue pops up, either that person or rayn is scum. night night I genuinely believed Malongo was town and did not want to lynch a townie over FT who i believed and still believe is scum. | ||
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I´m still FT/Oats/Cora scum, to some extent JAT. XRZ is gonna die. I am gonna get roleblocked or drop dead if janitor. Clarity please try to push this town to right track. cya in ~1,5h. | ||
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On August 02 2013 08:14 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Why in the world did you claim to get Vayne to vote with you? Did you really think Vayne was going to listen to you because you told him you got a town check on him? He's barely playing the game. Yes i really did vayne would listen to me. But he is stubborn, and he was also right on Malongo. Now i am seriously off. | ||
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On August 02 2013 10:16 exarezee wrote: excellent. our chance of winning now is good. That´s a bad response you know. | ||
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On August 02 2013 10:18 exarezee wrote: koshi/tofu/oats/malongo? this is just off the top of my head though. Why not CJS? | ||
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Cora and XRZ help me out here please. Why would scum not RB me and kill XRZ if we are both town? I even called a check on Oats. I did not in fact check Oats in case of mafia fuckup. I did check Cora and got town result. Now why did i not get roleblocked if Oats is town? Or scum? Why the fuck not roleblock me and kill XRZ who looks more town than i do? I can´t understand shit any more. I think Oats is a GF or town. CJS is town for sure. ##Unvote: | ||
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On August 02 2013 10:54 Stutters695 wrote: Rayn just said Oats is town or GF yet there is no framer. Dude is scum. Explain. | ||
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On August 02 2013 10:57 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote rayn I dont see why kill vayne, fucking useless dude with 2 claimed cops. I suggest you look at what happened at the flip Oats. Don´t be dumb now please. | ||
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On August 02 2013 10:58 exarezee wrote: Look at it from rayn's perspective. there are 3 people who could have died/got roleblocked. Vayne died. I claim roleblocked. And he thinks I'm not town? WTF WTF Who is the third person besides me/you? | ||
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On August 02 2013 10:59 Oatsmaster wrote: ok so for XRZ to be scum, means that scum has no RB and clarity is scum too. I dont think that scum has no rb. Therefore Rayn must be scum. And for some reason didnt kill xrz. Possibly to push his lynch. Oats. I really am a cop. XRZ, Clarity, FT. look at what post Clarity calls me out for. :DDDDDD | ||
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On August 02 2013 11:02 exarezee wrote: it doesnt matter if he's a power role or not. he fucking got night killed. mafia THOUGHT he was a power role. that's all that matters. there's 1 roleblock left, used on me or you. IT got used on me. I claimed it immediately. And you think im BSing? Makes absolutely 0 sense from you (town perspective). why? | ||
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On August 02 2013 11:06 Oatsmaster wrote: hey rayn, why didnt you wait until I responded until dropping the charade? because i am drunk and impatient. :D | ||
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On August 02 2013 11:26 exarezee wrote: scum team is laughing their asses off so hard. I played a PERFECT town game. like perfect. I successfully got a scum lynched with my claim when it looked like it was going to be a cluster no lynch. I bought an extra peek for the cop. And now he wants to get rid of towns. too freaking funny. Oh i thought there was 2 cops... | ||
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On August 02 2013 11:29 exarezee wrote: Now, I'm freaking wondering if maybe we have no detective and we need to lynch rayn. Good god. How are you so bad at this game rayn. Town only has a vet? | ||
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On August 02 2013 11:26 exarezee wrote: scum team is laughing their asses off so hard. I played a PERFECT town game. like perfect. I successfully got a scum lynched with my claim when it looked like it was going to be a cluster no lynch. I bought an extra peek for the cop. And now he wants to get rid of towns. too freaking funny. you played a good scum game before D3. good job, but it´s not gonna fly. | ||
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On August 02 2013 11:39 Oatsmaster wrote: what the fuck xrz. What the fuck. +1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1++1+1+1+1+1111111111010010101010101 <3<3<3<3<3<33 | ||
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On August 02 2013 11:29 exarezee wrote: Now, I'm freaking wondering if maybe we have no detective and we need to lynch rayn. Good god. How are you so bad at this game rayn. MAKES SENSE!!!! | ||
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Unless Oats is GF, which does not make sense as Oats would be smart enough to kill/rb me as he would know i am town. | ||
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On August 02 2013 11:54 exarezee wrote: so we could lynch scum malongo and avoid a nolynch? How you were sure Malongo was mafia? | ||
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On August 02 2013 11:59 FirmTofu wrote: Hey guys I'm reading now. go ahead, gimme some reads. | ||
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On August 02 2013 12:00 exarezee wrote: rayn do you agree that IF i am scum the only scum team that makes sense is me/clarity/tofu/malongo? No. | ||
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On August 02 2013 12:04 exarezee wrote: yea ur just a terrible player then. i'm done arguing with you. do what you wish. i am not communicating directly with you anymore. this is going to be the first game where i will try to convince rest of my team and not deal with an almost certain cop lol. I´m not terrible. | ||
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On August 02 2013 12:10 Oatsmaster wrote: you're terrible rayn. You shut down people from talking to you, you accuse people for stuff that doesnt make sense. Tell me why XRZ as scum, claimed cop to get Malongo lynched when its possible that a nolynch wouldve happened, didnt kill you when he knew you were telling the truth. Decided to say he is VT and fakeclaimed cop when he had NO FUCKING NEED TO. For once, think by yourself plz. | ||
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On August 02 2013 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote: 1 probable cop and 1 fucking bad claim by rayn that pretty much confirms Vayne. So to scumteam, they arent sure if you are attracting a hit so they kill confirmed town Vayne and RB probable cop XRZ. You still havent explained away NOTHING OF WHAT I SAID ABOVE. stop WIFOMing night actions. Why didnt you get killed then huh? oats see this please. i am a suspect. whatever i claim my check is people do not trust it. xrz is town. why was he not killed over vayne who was an idiot and not doing shit. why? WHY? | ||
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On August 02 2013 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote: hosts, can we get a modkill of rayn for playing against his wincon? Why di you not want a modkill on Malongo you fucking piece of shit, although you are probably town????? fu Oats, you are so idiot, always. | ||
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On August 02 2013 12:48 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I'm pretty sure #2 would be ruled out if Rayn is telling the truth because of the red check. Also Rayn, you literally just 180d on EVERY SINGLE READ you have made in the game (besides the FT read). What gives? I think I need to read that again. Sorry i expected you to be red. | ||
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On August 02 2013 12:52 FirmTofu wrote: Yeah I have no fucking idea why we let rayn get away with this bullshit play all game long. ##vote: raynpelikoneet rayn is fakeclaiming cop. He probably killed vayne so he couldprove that his town check was correct. Hes been playing against us the entire game by throwing whit at everyone with one-liners and no reasoning to back it up. I cant believe we let him live this long. lol, 1 PR for town. GO MAFIA GO! | ||
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On August 02 2013 12:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: CLARITY FT MAKES SENSE? QUESTION HIM! MAKE AN ARGUMENT. NOW! On August 02 2013 12:56 exarezee wrote: do yourself a favor and quit posting. u must be drunk as hell. you make no sense and you are making yourself look like an idiot with every post you make. Clarity, XRZ, *FT mafia. ggyo. | ||
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On August 02 2013 13:00 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I want to wait for Rayn to get sober or calm down or normalize or fix whatever the fuck is wrong with him. Until then, there's not much we can do. We have 44 hours. Anything can happen. Cora. i make sense as drunk and as sober. if you believe i am mafia, i am done, there is nothing i can do, because i have given all the answers to questions asked from me. FT, XRZ, Clarity however are mafia. Please please see that. Oats is scum or fucking too dumb to understand, i know you are green. See those guys arguments and act accordingly. blah, too drunk to quote.,asfd'. cora, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee !"122121 | ||
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I feel like I may be a bit biased towards tofu, as I really really want/think the scum team is koshi/malongo/tofu which is what i was pressing since day 1. if koshi flips scum, i can show so much evidence that tofu is also scum. but now im wavering on koshi right now too which is the problem. He did come back to the thread and contribute. I feel like you and clarity will have a better handle on tofu's role than I am. I can only confidently say that tofu is scum if koshi is too. And I would really like tofu to be scum because I would have been right on my day 1 read that one of tofu/paper is scum. So I feel like I'm really biased on tofu basically and will go whhatever way you, rayn (when he is sober), and clarity want to go. rofl. this is like the most " i know, but i don´t know" ever. ggyo guys... :EEE | ||
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On August 02 2013 13:11 exarezee wrote: makes sense to me. scum did not believe your cop claim that you peeked vayne town. scum believed one of me or vayne were cop. roleblocked me, killed vayne. you are mafia. | ||
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On August 02 2013 13:13 FirmTofu wrote: Rayn expects us to believe that, Cora, who he says is confirmed town, HARD-DEFENDED me when my lynch was looking close to inevitable. Explain to me why town would do that. Explain to me how Cora and I can be of opposite alignments at this point. Explain to me how rayn can believe that Cora can be town while I am still scum. I don´t understand a single bit of this,,,, | ||
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On August 02 2013 13:16 FirmTofu wrote: Rayn is also saying that XRZ hard-bussed each other throughout the entirety of day 1. Why would scum prolong and possibly risk causing a 2 wagons on 2 of their teammates? Its utterly absurd. You fucked up, admit it dear <3 | ||
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On August 02 2013 13:18 FirmTofu wrote: Sorry I'm on my phone, I cant type coherently. Ill be back later. MAKESESNE! AS YOU TUYPED UP PERFECTLY FINE UNTIL NOW!!! FUFUFUFUFUFFU! | ||
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On August 02 2013 13:21 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Rayn. Please stop posting and take a break. Please. note taken. just.. i am not dumb cora, not as drunk. i am right as town, and i am fucking town here. so please. look at my reads. | ||
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On August 02 2013 13:25 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I know you aren't Rayn. But you literally just 180d on every single one of them except for FT. wtf,,,..asf. go home.. | ||
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On August 02 2013 13:29 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Rayn. Stop posting and go to bed. Now. why are youi tellinmg m,e to go to bed if you think i am scum. FU(! | ||
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Vivax drops dead and Clarity claims roleblocked. Fine. D2 wagons are XRZ, Malongo and FT. Suddenly, 40 min before the deadline XRZ fakeclaims a cop to ensure Malongo lynch "because he is so sure of him being scum". lol, does this make sense to you? Of all the guys the dude who has never played with anyone of us IS SO SURE OF MALONGO BEING MAFIA HE FAKECLAIMS A COP?!?!?!?!? If XRZ is town, mafia must believe he is a cop. Mafia also must believe i am a cop because i am town. XRZ looks much much better than me because he was right. If mafia has a roleblocker the ONLY correct way to go on N2 is to roleblock me and kill XRZ. Neither of this happens. I fakeclaim a red check on Oats, and question XRZ. Suddenly XRZ retracts from his cop claim. Why? Because he knows my Oats check is not true and has no idea what´s going on and why i am questioning him. FirmTofu´s response on D3 is so bad i do not even know what to say. Clarity is mafia because scum have no roleblocker. Anything else makes no sense. | ||
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There is no way i was not roleblocked if mafia has a roleblocker. They would not assume 4 PR´s, and there is no reason to assume XRZ is not a cop if he was town, which he is not. | ||
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On August 02 2013 23:09 hzflank wrote: Rayn, they could not RB you without killing Exar, and they could not kill Exar (scum) unless they had a janitor and were willing to kill one of their own. Say FT is RBer, he had to RB Exar scum anyway. If they had RBed you and not killed Exar then Exar looks too bad. They might have an RBer imo. actually you are right. kill Clarity the last. | ||
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On August 02 2013 23:12 hzflank wrote: I don't mind. FT is mor likely to be the RBer if they have one. But Exar is 99.9% scum while FT is only 99.89% scum. hahah <3 Cora is gonna accuse you of being mafia now. :D | ||
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On August 02 2013 23:16 exarezee wrote: good luck getting 6 votes on me. i know captain jack and clarity and myself and tofu aren't voting me. Corazon is gonna vote for you and we don´t need scum votes. :D | ||
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Mafia has a roleblocker or a godfather. 1 cop + 1 vet setup, it´s impossible for mafia to have both roleblocker and GF. It´s imbalanced that way. That means we lynch FT and XRZ who are mafia, and if no roleblocker/GF pop out there we look into Oats/Clarity after that. If a GF or roleblocker pops out from FT/XRZ that clears one of Oats/Clarity. I don´t know who my vote is on because i was drunk so: ##Unvote: ##Vote: FirmTofu | ||
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On August 02 2013 23:45 exarezee wrote: How about you think about this. The only reason I backed off my claim as cop is because rayn was thinking that I was scum. I was 99% certain that rayn is detective. I certainly could not let this happen. I did not want to be a mislynch target. I'm not sure if the scum were going to rb me again or kill me if i held onto my claim. I could not allow the chance for rayn to die. Why would I come out there and give up on my fake claim there as scum? I had no reason to!!!!! because you have no roleblocker and can´t justify your night actions otherwise. duh. | ||
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On August 02 2013 23:53 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: ##unvote WTF Rayn? XRZ is town. Do you really believe that he claimed cop to lynch Malongo all in the interest of saving FT who he is leaning scum towards? Clarity is town as well. Rayn you need to stop making these stupid association cases. They're bad and you know it. Please don´t be bad now. Do you really think exarezee, a guy who has NEVER played with anyone of us fakeclaimed a cop in order to lynch his scumread Malongo over his scumread FT? Does this sound logical to you? That much balls for a first time player here? No, there were 2 scum wagons and exarezee looks better when he lynches the worse of those mafia dudes. Do you really think mafia believes there are two cops, and they let one of them have a check and kill vayne instead?? vayne, who has no guarantee of being a power role? Seriously Cora, think for a while please. | ||
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On August 02 2013 23:54 exarezee wrote: I got roleblocked and vayne died. How the fuck is that not an easier explanation than the explanation you came up with. Occam's fucking razor. Occam´s fucking razor is that i should have died or got roleblocked if you are town. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:02 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Perhaps they were going to try and discredit your check before you did that yourself. You looked really terrible after the flip and you still looked terrible at the beginning of D3. Out of the two "cops", XRZ looked a lot better, so the town would be more likely to believe his check than yours. I'm not sure why they killed Vayne. Perhaps he was so town that they knew they couldn't lynch him? That's the part that doesn't make sense to me. They killed vayne because they knew XRZ is not a real cop and thought he was a PR. Which they would not know in case XRZ was town. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:13 exarezee wrote: he has peeks to use. The scum can't leave him alive. They can't roleblock him either. If we lynch scum, rayn almost certainly will die in night. Why can´t mafia roleblock me? I am apparently the only blockable role in the game lol. | ||
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Do you guys really think exarezee is so sure of himself and has such big balls that he fakeclaimed a cop to ensure a lynch on his scumread over another scumread? Because to me that makes absolutely zero sense. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:22 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Didn't he claim cop when the votes were swinging over to me? He said he did it because he didn't want a no lynch and he wanted Malongo dead. There was never gonna be your lynch. It was either FT or Malongo or noone and i am pretty sure i could have convinced people to vote for FT. | ||
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Put yourself into scum position. There are 3 PR claims. 2 cop and 1 vet. If all of us are town, mafia needs to assume all the claims are true. My intentions for claiming were very clear. hz´s intentions were very clear. XRZ got scum lynched. Now comes N2. Mafia can deal with both of the cops by roleblocking the other one and killing the other one. There is no possibility of 4 town roles, anyone who says so is fucking stupid. Mafia can´t possibly assume vayne is a power role unless they know XRZ is not a real cop. Mafia cannot know XRZ is not a real cop unless he is mafia. Killing vayne over 2 claimed cops is beyond retarded and the only possible explanation for that is that i look worse than XRZ, mafia knows XRZ is not a cop and they do think vayne is in fact cop/doc. This all means XRZ has to be mafia. He just has to be, there is no other explanation. | ||
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You are playing your first game on a certain forum. You don´t know anyone here. Yet, you are so fucking sure of yourself you go fakeclaim a cop 40 minutes before a deadline when there are wagons on 2 of your scumreads!!! Really, would you really really take that risk as town? Because i wouldn´t, EVEN I WOULDN´T!!! | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:37 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: You realize that scum kills for reasons other than bluehunting... So your theory is null. Explain why mafia killed vayne, the dude noone listened to, over 2 cops. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:39 Clarity_nl wrote: Explain why mafia killed vayne over ONE cop. So mafia does not believe i am a cop when i claim a green check on a guy who is town. Makes sense? | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:42 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Why would a cop check Vayne? Especially over Firmtofu, your #1 scumread. Because vayne was unreadable. That´s why. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:46 Clarity_nl wrote: I am asking you THE SAME EXACT THING If xrz is scum, why does it make it more likely that they kill vayne over you? Because it´s the only scenario where they can even assume vayne is BLUE!!!!!!! | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:48 Clarity_nl wrote: So you're saying it's impossible scum thought you were full of crap and vayne was cop? He did a "fakeclaim" but he was RIGHT about malongo and then pushed hard for his lynch all day. Yes, i am saying it is impossible. Because my claim makes no sense as a fakeclaim. | ||
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1) him not dying the next night 2) scum don´t need to claim roleblocked or roleblock anyone any more when i die. | ||
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On August 03 2013 01:01 exarezee wrote: Can you guys look at end of day 2 please and look where the votes were going? malongo would not have gotten lynched if i did nothing. At the time of claim, there were 3 votes on malongo (myself, vayne, captain jack) and 5 votes on captain jack (tofu,koshi,rayn,townie,clarity). Please don't tell me I bussed malongo to save tofu. Maybe CJS is GF. IDGAF about that now but you are scum. | ||
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On August 03 2013 01:03 Clarity_nl wrote: Again, if xrz is scum, why doesnt he just claim "roleblocked" and kill you. I don't understand why vayne dying makes xrz being scum the only possibility. Because it´s the only scenario where mafia can assume vayne is a power role. How many times i have to say that? There is no way mafia assumes there are 4 power roles. And because i look worse than XRZ, there is no real justification in killing me and roleblocking him. It has to go the other way around. | ||
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On August 03 2013 01:05 hzflank wrote: I agree. However, if XRZ knew he was not cop then why did he not call me town? he said Rayn was town and I was possible scum. This makes so sense for either alignment. It makes sense for scum because scum are not logical. | ||
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On August 03 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because it´s the only scenario where mafia can assume vayne is a power role. How many times i have to say that? There is no way mafia assumes there are 4 power roles. And because i look worse than XRZ, there is no real justification in killing me and roleblocking him. It has to go the other way around. I also still believe there is no roleblocker btw. Just because i am 100% sure XRZ is scum. | ||
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On August 03 2013 01:07 exarezee wrote: so why would i not kill you and roleblock vayne (if i had roleblock) or just kill you instead (if i didn't have roleblock)? BECAUSE YOU CAN´T JUSTIFY YOU LIVING AND ME DYING!!! | ||
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exarezee claims a cop 40 minutes before a deadline to ensure a lynch on Malongo. The guy has never played with anyone of us, and definitely has no balls to fakeclaim a cop to ensure a lynch on Malongo. Another possibility is that, given N2 vayne kill mafia believes vayne is a cop, which they can´t believe if exarezee is town. exarezee buys town credit N2 mafia kills vayne. It makes no sense unless mafia thinks vayne is a power role, which they can´t think unless they know one of the cop claims is fake. My claim is definitely not fake, and mafia can´t think XRZ´s claim is fake because he got mafia lynched. There is no way mafia assumes vayne is a power role unless XRZ is mafia. There is no way vayne is killed unless XRZ is mafia. After N2 exarezee retracts from his claim and claims roleblocked. This is to justify him living over me later on. He can´t possibly justify himself living if i die otherwise than being green instead of blue. I do not think mafia has a roleblocker and when we flip XRZ it becomes clear that Clarity is either town or mafia. Me and hzflank are confirmed town because of blue. exarezee doubts hzflank´s claim, when he knows himself he is not blue. Only one blue when there is a claimed roleblock does not make sense for a townie to think. | ||
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On August 03 2013 01:59 exarezee wrote: You know rayn has no case against me if there is a roleblock. You know there is a roleblock. So....your logical conclusion is that I as scum had a roleblock but chose not to use it on rayn for what reason? You cannot justify me being roleblocked and vayne being killed and no action on you. | ||
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On August 03 2013 02:05 Clarity_nl wrote: It still makes sense with a roleblock, scum just withholds it. This also means that if xrz flips scum, oats is town. Also if mafia has a roleblocker both of Oats/CJS are town, because scum do not have roleblocker + GF vs one cop. | ||
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On August 03 2013 02:06 exarezee wrote: I sure can. I can claim you're scum pretty easily if i wanted to on day 3. Yeah but you can´t unless you wanna get lynched after me. Now you are gonna get lynched and i live for another night. :D | ||
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On August 03 2013 02:16 exarezee wrote: you've been wrong all game. wrong about me too. It was to avoid a nolynch and get rid of one of my top 2 scumreads (koshi,malongo). I chose malongo because it had the added benefit of possibly protecting vayne if he were the actual cop. You are the only person in this game who could have possibly thought vayne was blue. Do you see how the NK looks really bad on you? | ||
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On August 03 2013 02:41 exarezee wrote: no, you are not confirmed. You are cop unless there is no cop in the game in which you would therefore be scum. I thought the chance of you being cop were like 99%, but captain jack has said that its a possibility there's no cop in the game in this setup. There is no other cop in the game, that´s damn sure. They would have counterclaimed us at last at the start of D3. You were roleblocked, remember? Your conclusion is that there might be a roleblocker in the game with nothing to roleblock? On August 03 2013 02:42 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: There's a possibility but I think Rayn is most likely cop. Rayn, please stop posting. You don't need to push lynches every single post. Your filter is almost 30 pages. It's ridiculous. If you believe there is a roleblocker in the game then you must assume i am the cop. If you do not assume i am a cop and therefore scum you must also believe there is no roleblocker, in which case the scumteam for you is me/clarity/XRZ. Now why are you not voting for XRZ because every single scenario includes him being mafia? | ||
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On August 03 2013 03:20 Clarity_nl wrote: This is a bit extreme hz. Not a logical argument like I've come to expect from you this game. You genuinely seem upset at the thought of a townie doing this, to the point that you ignore the possibility altogether. Myself, I am having doubts. It is not extreme at all. If XRZ is telling the truth and Malongo flipped green we would have instantly lost the game because we would have lynched XRZ the following day under any circumstances. You don´t do that kind of shit as town. | ||
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On August 03 2013 03:32 hzflank wrote: CJS, can you see a likely scenario where FT is town? There is a possibility where mafia has no roleblocker and CJS is a GF. If that´s the situation their guise will fall apart sooner or later. | ||
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Clarity because scum have a roleblocker. CJS and Oats because of scum not having a GF. exarezee lynch is the best we can do today. Believe me guys. | ||
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On August 03 2013 03:39 hzflank wrote: I agree. But... If we can say that the 100% only reason that scum-Exar would possibly do what he did if FT is also scum then we probably get better odds by lynching FT today instead of Exar, no? If it is not possible that Exar is scum and FT is town, but the opposite is possible, then it makes more sense to lynch FT imo. If exarezee was protecting his scumbuddy from getting lynched that dude he was protecting was CJS and not FT, as he himself pointed out. | ||
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On August 03 2013 03:42 hzflank wrote: Well we do need to ask ourselves why Exar would of pulled that if he were scum. Was killing Mal and risking himself worth saving the GF? Because in that case mafia has no roleblocker and their only role is GF-Corazon. There is no reason to protect a roleblocker that does not exist. | ||
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On August 03 2013 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: So your thought process is that mafia killed vayne, a person who had absolutely zero credibility to convince anyone in this game even when Malongo flipped red, just because he was on the right track or wanted to paint his targets red (i was also one of them, remember). They did kill vayne over 2 claimed cops and let me have a check on Oats because i would call that green check scum afterwards? You are not making very much sense here. The only reason vayne was killed was because it was a blue snipe and XRZ is the only person who could possibly assume vayne is blue. | ||
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On August 03 2013 04:37 Koshi wrote: Ok, who remembers how big the chance was: 1) we were going to lynch rayn 2) rayn was actually a cop during night phase. This is better formatting. 1) 0% 2) 100% | ||
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On August 03 2013 04:38 Koshi wrote: Maybe scum didn't believe rayn was a cop anymore. I am pretty sure that I didn't believe rayn was a cop and that XRZ was the real cop. So you don´t remember if you believed i am a cop or not? Pretty weak dude. | ||
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On August 03 2013 04:40 FirmTofu wrote: Alright, I'm finally at my computer for a few minutes. In my opinion, the XRZ lynch gives us more information, but rayn is far more likely to flip scum based on his behavior throughout this game. @XRZ Why are you willing to lynch me even though the entire case on me rests on you being scum? Also this dude is totally scum. | ||
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On August 03 2013 04:46 FirmTofu wrote: rayn, if you are town, then you need to stop attacking me and answer my questions properly. I am willing to give you a chance but you aren't even willing to consider the possibility that I am town. Can we agree to a truce until I can get my bearings around how this new interaction with you and XRZ makes me feel about you? Your assumption is that i am mafia and XRZ is town. Do you really think mafia has a roleblocker in a game where they have nothing to roleblock as the only role for town would be a veteran? In addition to this, if we lynch exarezee and he some-fucking-how flips town, that clears: 1) Clarity because scum have a roleblocker, and roleblocking one of their own on N1 is beyond stupid. 2) Oats because he can´t be a godfather, and if he was mafia scum would not let me check him on N2. 3) Corazon because i have a green check on him. There is not a roleblocker + GF versus one cop, that´s impossible. | ||
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On August 03 2013 04:49 hzflank wrote: It's possible, but not likely. Based on what Rayn did both at the start and the end of D2 he was likely to be either scum or cop. Scum knew that Rayn was not scum, so if they thought that he was not Cop they made a big mistake. Why doesn´t anyone listen to this guy who speaks the truth. I know i am bad at explaining stuff so listen to hzflank because he is better than me at explaining and he understands me. | ||
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On August 03 2013 04:55 FirmTofu wrote: Why can't Oats be GF? Why can't CJS be GF? You can´t possibly think this because you think i am mafia! If i am mafia there is no cop, does roleblocker + godfather make sense to you in a setup where there is nothing to roleblock or no cheks?!?!?!?!?!?!? | ||
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On August 03 2013 05:01 Stutters695 wrote: It seems pretty obvious scum only has 1kp so you have to remember the game is balanced around that as well. In a normal 12/4 after n2 you're looking at 8/4 or 9/3 and scum might have another night of 2kp depending on the host(if kp rounds up or down). What are you trying to say? | ||
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On August 03 2013 05:11 FirmTofu wrote: Are we playing with the assumption that there are no more town power roles alive right now? Explain how it is even remotely possible that there are other powerroles alive? | ||
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On August 03 2013 05:46 Stutters695 wrote: Rayn quick question for you now that everything is out there. Haven't you claimed a PR before as VT? If so what was your mindset in doing it and why isn't it something XRZ would consider. I'm a little concerned that he would fess up to fake claiming after just getting a scum lynch if he was scum since he's almost confirmed cop if he plays it out, spoon feeds town reads through checks knowingwho is town. If it wasn't you who fake claimed disregard that part but can you reason with me on why this is a good play for scum XRZ to make? I don´t remember claiming PR as VT, other than NWM. But that situation was entirely different and over phase fakeclaims as town are fucking stupid! | ||
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On August 03 2013 06:13 Stutters695 wrote: Hz: why does XRZ give up on the charade? He can ride that for town for days at the expense of sacrificing their RB to keep him "perma-blocked". The only way that plan falls flat is if Clarity flips scum and gives away that they don't have an RB. Saying he faked the check puts himself into major shit and if he flips scum it practically guarantees he bussed Mal to save Cora or FT(probably Cora) and scum is losing three members in four days. It doesn't make sense. No he can´t because when i die he can´t possibly justify himself being alive because he had a red check and got scum lynched. | ||
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On August 03 2013 06:27 hzflank wrote: Heck, Exar could of given us a geen check on Rayn ("I wanted to confirm that there were actually 2 cops in this game, guys"). Why did Exar roleblock himself? What+s the point of hard-confirming me when you can just claim roleblocked? | ||
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On August 03 2013 07:50 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Rayn you've been doing that all game. Don't be hypocritical. The difference is i don´t use all my energy into them and i only bring them up when i need to justify something. | ||
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On August 03 2013 07:56 Clarity_nl wrote: I think if xrz flips town we can figure the game out d4. They'll probably kill rayn, or I suppose they might just roleblock him when xrz flips town. Best scenario is if xrz flips roleblocker. Like, are you assuming that scum cannot have a roleblocker and GF hz? Could you explain your reasoning? Clarity, there is one cop and one vet (which can´t be blocked). The setup is already hard as it´s 10 vs 4. Do you think there is a godfather + roleblocker vs one cop? | ||
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On August 03 2013 08:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: 20 pages in 12 hours what is this rayn happened. :D | ||
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On August 03 2013 08:14 hzflank wrote: I take it you did not agree with my point on why Exar un-claimed cop, Rayn? Yeah i don´t. That´s so far-fetched and Cora is right about that. | ||
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FirmTofu is still really really scummy. His D3 posts make no sense from town pov. He´s basically not thinking about the game from town pov at all, can´t understand why the setup stuff is pretty obvious and makes very odd conclusions about things. I still think XRZ is most likely to be mafia because of stuff i have said and he is now suddenly willing to throw the game for himself if he is town. If he flips town however that´s not good play from him on D3, at all. It´s terrible. If that´s the case however JAT has to be the third mafia with Koshi + FT. | ||
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1) If i was mafia pardoner i would have totally made one of the best mafia roles useless for my team. 2) I would have used another very strong power (silence) on myself, when i have established a very good PM network with Gumshoe, Oats, and DrH, Vivax, marv (by proxy). Gumshoe has promised to claim his role to me (that one i majorly fucked up, i somehow thought everyone was blue in this game and that it was somehow known :/ ). I would have wasted 1/3 mafia powers on D1 on something that does not make me confirmed town and definitely does not put my team into better position considering the other options. | ||
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On August 03 2013 23:24 hzflank wrote: Rayn, How sure are you that Oats is town? Basically 100%. | ||
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On August 03 2013 23:25 hzflank wrote: Basically, if Oats is town it makes a lot of sense for him to not want to vote for Exar. Same for Cora. You think that Oats is town and you have a green check on Cora? On the other hand it makes little sense for Tofu to be voting for Exar. Tofu does not buy insurance, Tofu buys lottery tickets. I don´t follow you, what are you saying? | ||
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On August 03 2013 23:59 hzflank wrote: Town-Tofu does not think about routes to victory. Town-Tofu picks the person who he thinks is scum and pushes as hard as he can to lynch them on that day. He does not care about how much information is gained from a lynch. Cora and Clarity are likely to be the same alignment as XRZ, so if Cora is town then it makes sense for Cora to want to not lynch XRZ today. If Oats is knows that he is town then he can afford to push on the person who he thinks is most likely to be scum. He does not need information as much as I do. Lets say Oats pushes a Koshi lynch and Koshi flips town, then there would only be 2 possible scum teams left to Oats, and he has a good chance to study the game and work out which is correct. Cora and Oat's play makes sense to me as town, Tofu's does not. Yeah but Cora´s play makes also sense if he is scum and Clarity is a total questionmark for me. On the other hand he looks really town buyt then he does these weird vote switches at the end of the day i can´t tell what´s with them. If we do not lynch XRZ scum are XRZ+Clarity+Cora or FT+Koshi+JAT/XRZ and if we go wrong on the next day (because the groups are accusing each other) we are fucked. | ||
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On August 04 2013 01:10 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: You guys are going about it all wrong. It shouldn't be "1/2/3/4 is scum so we should lynch 1 first". That's really bad. You should take the scummiest player and lynch them. After their flip, you should make connections only about that flip. You guys are lynching XRC and making plans 2 days into the future. What if XRC's flip isn't what you expected? You guys have spent all of your energy making potential scumteams and it's all going to be for nothing if XRC flips town. The thing is for me XRZ is the scummiest player. | ||
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On August 04 2013 01:35 Clarity_nl wrote: Indeed. I did not try to get CJS lynched. Well spotted. ?? | ||
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On August 04 2013 02:05 Clarity_nl wrote: You can't seriously be this much of an attention whore that you repeat yourself for the umpteenth time and then when there is no response within ten minutes, use another post to ask if anyone is here. Stop trying to convince people to lynch xrz, he's getting lynched. I do not understand this post of yours. I understand that you think i am a s spammy asshole but that´s how i gather my reads. How people interact with me. I have told this many times in games i have played in. I work best when i can be active and interact with people. I am used to off thread comm games and that makes me post a shitton in thread when i am around. I understand i should consolidate my thoughts and prepare my posts better but i can´t help it. I post when i got something to say. What´s the point of saying this? I wanna talk with people, how is that bad? Why should i stop convincing people to not lynch XRZ? There is still a lot of time left in the phase and Oats just voted for Koshi. If Oats and CJS are town this day might end up in a no-lynch, fucking again. That has pretty much been the tone of this game. I really would love to be mafia in this particular game because i would have been able to force a no-lynch every single day phase and keep the town completely in the dark of everything because the townies in this game cannot agree onto anything. This is a clusterfuck, that´s what this game is. And it seems like noone other than me & hzflank is trying to actually figure out this. Everyone else is just defending someone and dropping a vote. | ||
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1) What was your intention to switch the vote onto CJS on D2 and what you would have done if XRZ had not claimed guilty on Malongo? 2) Why exactly are you voting for XRZ as you should know you were roleblocked on N1 and from your perspective it should be clear that mafia didn´t roleblock anyone (read: me) on N2 or XRZ is town? What´s your thought process? 3) Why are you shouting me to not spam because you should know my nature and you should know you posting what you do makes me wanna post even more? | ||
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On August 04 2013 02:32 Clarity_nl wrote: 1) Vayne wasn't interested in voting for tofu, so a tofu lynch was not happening. I asked people if they wanted to switch to cjs to see who would. I've already said I had no intention of lynching him. 2) Scum withholding a roleblock d2 is obviously a possibility. The points against xrz are valid. 3) Because you're making this game a goddamn chore. For every good post that has information in it in this game I have to slog through like 5 or 6 of yours. I feel like I've posted way too much and my filter is like 20 pages. Yours is 34, and you didn't even start playing until 3/4 into day 1. It's ridiculous. You are not helping town with this. If every post you made said something new, fine I guess. But all you've done today is REPEAT THE SAME GODDAMN THING 50x as if we didn't hear you the first 49x. 1) You didn´t really answer, unless you wanted to no-lynch. So can i get an answer? 2) Why does it make sense for mafia to not roleblock a possible cop if they have a roleblocker? 3) I´m a bit offended about this because nobody listens to me for the first 49 times i post my stuff. But this is something that needs no more discussing. | ||
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2) You are right, it does not make sense unless XRZ is mafia and mafia thought vayne is a power role. Do you think anyone else than XRZ could have thought vayne was a cop/doc instead of me and if yes, why? | ||
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On August 04 2013 02:50 hzflank wrote: Rayn, it looked to me like Clarity was just trying to see who was willing to switch to Cora and who was not, so that if we did flip FT red we would have more information. Maybe I read it wrong, though. There was no chance FT was gonna flip after 3 people changed their votes. Me and Vivax were calling Oats & Cora town on N1, there was no real chance of getting a flip on him. To me it seemed like Clarity was just gonna try to split votes so there would be a no-lynch and another target to discuss than Malongo, and when it came out that CJS was maybe gonna get lynched they took the less bad scenario of lynching Malongo who was useless. I do not understand why CJS is not calling Clarity out hard for his shenanigans, because if he was town he should. That makes zero sense. I was fucking THIS close of checking Clarity on N1, i changed my check ~1h before the deadline and i truly regret it now. Clarity makes a vote switch on CJS, to see who follows him. Now that he knows who followed him and not, he has no follow up on ANY players regarding that? Seems like a townie thing to do? no. | ||
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On August 04 2013 02:59 Clarity_nl wrote: rayn how many times this game are you going to change your mind on me? Can we just wait for xrz flip please? Thanks. This post implies to me that you know he is gonna flip town. Why? | ||
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On August 04 2013 03:02 hzflank wrote: Here's a question: Why did Exar wait so long to un-claim cop? There was a bunch of discussion on D3 before he did it. Why not post it instantly? "because he felt offended when i questioned & "accused" him". What´s the point of this question? | ||
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On August 04 2013 03:06 hzflank wrote: I am just trying to figure out why XRZ did what he did. I really think that XRZ is scum right now, so I am looking for reasons as to why I may be wrong. That´s the fucking point. Maybe he thought i had a check on him instead of Oats (because Oats green -> XRZ scum -> i am lying about the check -> i am questioning him -> rayn checked XRZ?). I dunno, it makes no sense anyways from town!XRZ who was so confident on D2. | ||
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Me: I have a red check on Oats XRZ: Good, makes our life easier Me: That´s a bad response XRZ: What?` Me: Why are you not voting for Oats ... ... stuff ... ... XRZ: I´m not a cop, i claimed that now because rayn thinks i am mafia | ||
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On August 04 2013 03:35 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Rayn, your confirmation bias is showing. What if I did not care that my town read tried to get me lynched and by the time I had gotten back we had lynched scum? He's not scum in my book and there has been nothing else that would point me to thinking he is scum. Unlike the rest of you, I'm not using shitty heuristics to make my scumreads. I'm taking the players I think are the scummiest and voting for them. I'm playing it simple, and you guys are overcomplicating things. Why does Clarity pushing a lynch on you for no reason (no-lynch) instead of his scumread FT make sense to you? | ||
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On August 04 2013 03:40 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Because he thought FT wasn't getting lynched, so he wanted to lynch the player that YOU were saying was going to be lynched next. He had the SAME reads as you, he just wanted a lynch and decided to take it into his own hands. He just said he had no intention of lynching you?!?!!? | ||
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On August 04 2013 03:43 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: After this game, I'm going to nominate Rayn's filter for "biggest WTF moment" on the mafia awards. I'm done with this shit. See you all after XRZ flips town. Do whatever you feel like. You have had no intention to solve this game on D1, on D2, and now you are just flinging shit on me without apparently even thinking i am mafia. If you people lynch anyone over XRZ im gonna post only once on N3, and that post is gonna say "fuck you". | ||
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On August 04 2013 03:44 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Is it good for scum to all hard-defend each other? Use your brain Rayn. K I'm out for realsies. It is if there are people who know you are all scum if one of your team falls apart. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:32 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: And out of all of the people you chose, you chose me...? Whatever, that's in the past and I don't think you are scum for it. That´s fucking bad logic. Just saying. | ||
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On August 04 2013 04:00 Clarity_nl wrote: Yes, what makes more sense is that the scumteam is xrz, cjs and me. I tried to get cjs lynched over tofu. I faked a roleblock on day 1. I'm consolidating on xrz lynch without a fight. I've looked town all game because I am town. Does not hold water because you said you were not gonna get CJS lynched. Or are you now saying you were? | ||
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Mafia certainly does want to look like town but there are those little things that just don´t add up. For me regarding you it´s the D2 votes where you wanted to vote for CJS for nothing (you did not say what your actions told you), and your vote on XRZ over Malongo when claim (makes no sense, unless you wanted to cause a no-lynch). | ||
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On August 04 2013 10:05 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Not unbelievable if anyone in this game was using their brains... You are the fucking guy who told us all to to get off XRZ, for no reason, JUST TOWN! I hate you cora, i seriously hate you. fuck you asll. i hope i die. IDGAF anymope! | ||
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On August 05 2013 00:29 Clarity_nl wrote: If pushing crazy conspiracy theories made people scum I'd have hung you a long time ago rayn. It also, obviously, was not that crazy. Apparently people (including mafia) think very differently than i do this game. Oats is a pretty straightforward player. He would, as mafia, see why i am not fakeclaiming a check on vayne. Koshi does this and i can prove that. Also Koshi has quised himself as way more dumb this game than he actually is. That guy figured Chezinu´s cryptic posts in Sicilian as him claiming DT. | ||
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On August 05 2013 00:37 justanothertownie wrote: So, I thought about the Koshi/FT question. I'm torn. They both look very scummy to me. What throws me off is that I don't think Stutters and FT are on the same scum team so it is not as easy as it could be after this flip. This would mean Koshi would be a better target because he is scum in almost every possible scenario. Still I read Stutters and Tofus Filter again and while Stutters does not look bad in my opinion FTs filter almost screams scum. Just look at his contribution since his almost-lynch - doesn't look very townie, does it? Then there is this: When you look at his reads concerning a xrz town flip there is me (town - I know it is not obvious for you in this situation), Stutters (I'm not sure here) and especially this: rayn/clarity/Koshi. It should DEFINITELY be Koshi and just Koshi. I don't know why he feels the need to add rayn and clarity here. Keep in mind this is his xrz town scenario. Total bullshit. Since pre-flip stuff didn't work that well the last time I think I would slightly prefer a FT lynch. I would hate if we lost and he escaped the lynch 3 times while being scum. But honestly I am still down for both a Koshi and a FT lynch. I´m a bit puzzled over this post of yours because if FT and Stutters are both not scum, that means you kinda have to be scum? | ||
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On August 05 2013 00:39 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Just like XRZ was scum and Malongo was 100% town. Right. I love how you point out only Stutters' entrance as being scummy when Koshi's entrance was way scummier and he only returned when there were 3 votes on him. That sounds like a defensive scum play to me. Oats is town. The fact that he's not caring about anything is pretty consistent with his town meta. Don't get even farther off track with a possible Oats scum because it isn't possible. I don´t have to point out anything Koshi has said because he is mafia and what he says has nothing to do with what i have to say about stutters. | ||
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On August 05 2013 00:43 Clarity_nl wrote: Oats, I have explained myself. You're the one that hasn't, all game. I didn't even call you scum, I said based on your posts alone I would think you were scum, but there are other factors. hz puts it nicely. Are you saying you've pushed your reads and influenced town positively? Like, if we lynch two scum and can't find the third I'm looking your way. Although I'll probably be dead by then. One random thought btw, to no one specific. Is it possible scum didn't kill rayn cause they think I'm doc? I don´t think that´s the case here. Mafia thought vayne + XRZ are cops. You being a doc fit´s nowhere in there as hzflank is vet. I don´t think scum would assume 4 power roles, unlkess you actually area doc in which case mafia having a GF + roleblocker is not 100% out of the question. | ||
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On August 05 2013 00:48 Clarity_nl wrote: I meant that I'm a doc instead of vayne being a cop. So like, they expected me to protect you so they roleblock xrz and kill vayne (since hz is vet) I have. If you refuse to read that's fine. Do you think I'm town? You should. Am I pushing for your lynch? I'm not. Are you helping town by pushing this? You're not. Why would they not hit you and vanilla!vayne instead? | ||
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On August 05 2013 00:57 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Dude, your vote is even worse than Koshi's. In 5 posts, you go from "XRZ is town to me" to "XRZ is scum". The 5 posts inbetween were set-up speculation and using the same heuristics as everyone else who voted for XRZ. You even said that the thought process being used was ridiculous, yet you voted for XRC...scum trying to blend in? Corazon, i do not think the XRZ lynch was bad. At least every townie is on the same page now and i really thought he was mafia. I agree with your reads, all of them. | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:01 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: One at a time buddy...trying to lynch the entire scum team at once didn't really work for us D3 Actually it did quite well, only reversed. Tomorrow´s lynch should be no other than THE KOSHI! | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:04 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Literally the first half of D3 was persecuting XRZ with bad logic and the second half was "1/2/3/4 are scum, we're voting them next" Worst. Lynch. Ever. Ok that's the end of me talking about the XRZ lynch. Actually we got quite a lot out of it. - FirmTofu´s post regarding who is scum with/without XRZ was really horrible. There was zero logic in it. - Koshi´s been bad and scummy throughout the game and i tried to lynch him on D1 and D2 (that´s also a reason i didn´t think Malongo was mafia). I don´t even bother to recheck the quotes/posts because everyone knows that´s a fact. - JAT makes no sense with his logic right now. He says he does not think Stutters/FT are both scum but everyone else are town but Koshi. That kinda makes himself scum no? - Stutters is still meh.. On the other hand he looks good for pushing same targets i have (mainly FT & Koshi eariler, D3 is irrelevant now), but then him sayin he voted for XRZ because of "pre-flip associations" is bullshit. The case was not a pre-flip association, definitely not. Other things on D3 were, but the case was not. Either way he didn´t even understand the case (so his vote makes no sense), or he is mafia who is now trying to justify his vote. | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:16 justanothertownie wrote: I don't know. Oats can be scum without being GF because as you said yourself scum did not believe you are cop. Why exactly do you think Oats is mafia, and why is he more likely to be mafia than both Stutters&FT? | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:20 justanothertownie wrote: He is NOT more likely to be scum than both Stutters/FT wtf are you talking about? I think he is mafia because there are no other possibilities left besides stutters and tofu being on the same scum team. Fair enough. That´s what i expected unless you wanted to claim scum. But i do not think Oats is mafia. I do not think Oats as mafia would risk me being a cop and would talk his team into either roleblocking/hitting me instead of vayne. Stutters does buss. His first scumgame was Basterd mini mafia, where he voted for mkfuba, his teammate on D1. Hell, he made a big case on him. Don´t count out that as a possibility, because Stutters is not bad as mafia. | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:40 Stutters695 wrote: Hz he's saying my meta read on Oats is wrong because if Oats is town he should care so we don't lose. He clearly doesn't know oats then because those rules don't apply to oats. Does Oats care more about winning as scum in your opinion? | ||
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On August 05 2013 02:38 Koshi wrote: XRZ lynch was made possible by your insane start on day 3. You fucked him up early and pushed him 24/7. I blame you for XRZ lynch. You can´t blame me because you did nothing to stop my "insane push" but instead voted WITH me. | ||
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On August 05 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote: stop fighting rayn............. What matters now? Lynching scum or boosting your ego? I am pointing out an argument that makes no sense for town player to make. | ||
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On August 05 2013 02:53 Koshi wrote: Nothing stopped you for blaming us though. I voted with you because of your case, it was actually really good. XRZ is a crazy player. So i am mafia for trying to get my scumreads lynched and you are town because you have had zero intention to push any lynch of your own this whole game? All you have done is: 1) Call your own posts bad 2) Act super defensive when under pressure 3) Sheep other people on lynches 4) Call out other people bad when a lynch is mislynch 5) Call out players who are most likely to be town with no reasoning | ||
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On August 05 2013 03:01 Oatsmaster wrote: it makes every sense for a town player to make. You pushed the lynch. You lynched town. It is an argument that makes sense for those people to make who didn´t vote for XRZ. The dude fucking believed my case was good and sheeped me. Now he blames me for lynching town when in the whole game he has made no effort in lynching anyone, just vote with someone with no real reasoning of his own. In addition to that, if you are town and get lynched you are doing something wrong. It´s always your fault if you get lynched as town and noone else´s, unless there are only scum votes on you and the lynch goes somehow through that way. If you look townie as town you should not get lynched. It´s that simple and there is a reason certain players get never mislynched as town and some people do. | ||
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On August 05 2013 03:29 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Yeah and then I'm going to get ridiculously drunk and 180 on all of my reads and then lynch another townie. HERP DERP lol, i was not trying to moch you, honestly. I just found that game and everything that happened to you incredibly wrong. It was so hilarious you got the result from your self check and then town proceeded to lynch you. I even said in the obs QT "this is so absurd Cora has to be telling the truth". | ||
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It´s really hard to tell who is mafia amongst FT/Stutters/JAT/Koshi. Not a single one of those people is asking questions from each other. One of them is town and should be trying to figure out a way to tell the other people why the three other guys are mafia. That cannot be accomplished unless you make mafia question each other and point out why the interactions are fake. Could the guy who amongst them is town start doing that? I can´t possibly gain anything by asking anything from you four. Because you can just say "i think the three other are scum" and i can´t do anything other than to accept that as a town-tell or a null-tell. It leads me nowhere any more. I can only make conclusions from how you interact with each other and that has not happened after N2. | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:46 justanothertownie wrote: I think I made pretty clear that I'm absolutely sure about Koshi and FT being scum. What should I ask them? FT doesn't need to be here answering any questions it seems. Still he avoided being lynched 2 times and it probably will be the third time tomorrow while koshi just throws shit at everyone. Fine, I will look closer into stutters/oats the tomorrow/the day after that but we can only lynch one person this day and I would like to see the nightkill before (although it would surprise me if it's not a confirmed townie who dies). If you are mafia that´s an easy way out. You buss two of your teammates because you only need to lynch Stutters after that. What differentiates you from Stutters? Why are you town over him, because i am pretty sure everyone else is town? Stutters is saying the same stuff you are. Hell, if we could flip Koshi & FT right now and they both flipped mafia how am i going to tell which one of you/Stutters is mafia because you both look equally good/bad and you are not trying to do anything to look better than the other one? I can´t tell you what you should be asking them. That eliminates the purpose of "proving why you are town" because i would be giving you the correct answers in the first place. You should be figuring out how to expose mafia and prove why you are town and then convince the rest of the town of it. It´s not my job to do that for you. | ||
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The one of you four who is town is our best (and pretty much only) chance of winning by starting discussion between these four people. For me/hz/Clarity/Cora/Oats it is incredibly hard to tell the difference between you all because you have not been interacting with each other for a long time. | ||
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On August 05 2013 06:06 Clarity_nl wrote: rayn you're doing that thing again. Where you say the exact same thing multiple times, phrased differently. I thought you had a really good point the first time around and agreed with everything in that post. *pat pat* It's okay. I can´t help it. :/ I kinda don´t want to read into those guys´ filters because i can´t find anything new there and i know it. I´m just following what´s been said now and what will be said later on. I can only fuck up if i tell who of those guys is mafia over others because to be honest i do not know and i can´t give a good educated guess based on what i know. Koshi looks worst to me, because he is not even trying to make any sense now. He and FT have looked worse than JAT + Stutters for me the whole game, but ugh.. i am not sure. | ||
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On August 05 2013 07:07 Clarity_nl wrote: God I hope scum kill me. Koshi thinks rayn and hz are both scum. That´s not even the worst. FirmTofu thinks so too, and that there is a roleblocker + GF and all that is possible at the same time. :D | ||
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You: "I thought that Rayn might be scum on D2. I was going to go hard after Rayn D3 but then the Exar thing happened. Now I believe that Rayn is town." Koshi: "Why the change of mind?" You: "Because he casually claimed cop and stuck with it. Because the N1 check he claims to have made makes sense considering Rayne's play on D2. As scum Rayn did not need to force that lynch on FT by claiming cop. It would of been much better to just sac Malongo." This all happened before N2, and you are saying you were ready to push my lynch on D3. How does that make sense? | ||
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Same guy who saw through our "let´s all buddy each other" in the last game. No.. way... FirmTofu do you really think mafia does not defend town like that? Or that´s not a possibility? | ||
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On August 05 2013 07:24 Clarity_nl wrote: Because I'm scum with rayn and hz. All we did day 3 was circlejerk eachother and we just laughed and laughed in the scum qt. I am actually the roleblocker, Clarity is the godfather and hz is mafia veteran who hands out vigi bullets to us. Town has no roles, it all makes sense if you think about it really hard. | ||
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1) Malongo is town and XRZ is fakeclaiming to (save someone?) for some reason. 2) Malongo is mafia and XRZ is telling the truth. The only correct play is to lynch the red check first, and if they turn green, lynch the cop claim. | ||
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On August 05 2013 08:01 justanothertownie wrote: No way he isn't going to be roleblocked if he doesn't die. Hey, don´t say so. I am not the real cop and there is the blue dude hiding in the shadows. duh.. | ||
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On August 05 2013 08:34 hzflank wrote: Alright guys, I did not want to say this earlier... When Vayne claimed cop, he was lying. When Rayn claimed cop, he was lying. When Exar claimed cop, he was lying. When I claimed Veteran I was lying. I am the real cop. + Show Spoiler + I am also a doctor. That´s obviously why i claimed a cop. Because i am in fact the vet, and instantly figured out your plan when you made your claim. I have also docced Cora every night. | ||
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On August 05 2013 09:24 FirmTofu wrote: Lol am I dead? I wish you had shot stutters, hzflank, but I can see why you shot me. GL town!!! Mind explaining how you can see why he shot you? | ||
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On August 05 2013 09:31 FirmTofu wrote: Oh lol. I can see why they would leave a potential cop rayn alive, but I don't know why thy chose clarity over CJS and Oats, who are both practically universally confirmed town. I'm inclined to think that scum wanted to kill someone who had a majority of the scum team in his sights. What was clarity doing right that oats and cjs are doing wrong? That´s a bunch of WIFOM and you should be telling us why Koshi/Stutters/JAT are mafia, and making them reveal their true colors if you are town. | ||
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On August 06 2013 00:19 justanothertownie wrote: He secretly hoped I wouldn't make a case on him. I am pretty sure if you are town because that case has actually ~90% of thoughts that are clearly your own. There´s been a fuckton of stuff said why Koshi is mafia and you are not sheeping those reasons but instead you definitely had looked over Koshi´s posts and gave us your original thoughts why you think he is mafia. That´s not what i would assume you would do as mafia because you could probably just sheep on everyone onto Koshi and still get him lynched with little effort. That´s the thing i was talking about yesterday and you were the only one of those 4 people i mentioned who picked up. If you are mafia you deserve to win because you are clearly putting more effort into the game than the dude who is town from you 4. Case closed and i think i have found the answer i was looking for. Koshi/Stutters/FirmTofu are not even trying. | ||
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D1: - Has a FirmTofu as townread because "in every game FirmTofu is capable of looking scummy early on". This makes no sense because if he looks scummy as town, there is no guarantee he would look scummy as mafia too. - Has Paperscraps as town read for no reason. - For same reasons that makes FirmTofu town (meta), Koshi says there is no guarantee for vayne to be town. He even explains why the situation is 100% like with FirmTofu. There is a contradiction in his thinking toward vayne/FT. One of them can be town by meta and another one can´t. - Koshi says he thinks hzflank is mafia for tunneling one dude for the entire day. The thing that makes hzflank mafia is that "mafia can hide behind tunneling so that they would not have to have reads on everyone". Koshi´s reads are at this point are "hzflank, gut-read leaning scum, everyone else null or town for no reasoning or bad reasoning (FT)". Another contradicting statement right there. He is playing just like he says scum would play. - Another set of posts where he accuses hzflank of only pushing his own wagon and not trying to find other mafia dudes. He is doing exactly the same thing, but he isn´t even trying to push the hz lynch. To me when Koshi interacts with hz it looks like he is interacting with a townie rather than scum. - After everything he consolidates on Paperscraps, his townread. He has not tried to push any other lynch, did not contribute towards any other wagons, was not pushing hz lynch at all. Basically did nothing to even try lynching mafia on D1. N1: - Koshi says Vivax´ vote switch is okay. I did not think that was okay at all unless he was pretty sure Paper was town. Koshi himself says " I knew he was town, and some others new he was town in the end. We didn't have the balls to remove our vote because we would get lynched by people like rayn". lol, at the end of the day HE WAS PUSHING PAPER LYNCH, HE WAS SURE PAPER WAS TOWN, HE DIDN´T HAVE BALLS TO NOT VOTE FOR HIS TOWNREAD!?!?!? Fear, insecurity, justification for a vote after townflip. Townies do not think like this. - Says he will not be tunneling hzflank on D2, because he is ssure the guy is mafia. Makes sense? Does... not... want.. to.. do.. his.. best.. to.. lynch.. his.. scum.. read... right! - "Clarity makes posts about everybody, goes in contact with everybody and is speaking his mind. You know that I like that. So Clarity is town. I expect him to create a lot of content Day 2 as well. I can reevaluate but he is town for me. " Clarity is town for exact same reasons why i am scum for Koshi. When i ask for him to elaborate, his answer is "it was a joke". D2: - On D2 start Koshi quotes his case on hzflank, some time later he votes for XRZ, no reasoning given. On N1 he said "XRZ fears no lynching from me". - Suddenly Oats and XRZ are in his scumreads, read the last point, that was also what he said earlier regarding Oats. - Adds Stutters in the scumlist because Stutters voted for Malongo when vayne´s check came out. - Exactly 3 hours later Stutters is confirmed town.. - FirmTofu is confirmed town. When asked for reasoning he tells people to compare FT/XRZ filters. Noone even asked anything about XRZ? - Adds JAT to his scumlist, for reasons that made him town earlier (being new, suddenly he is not new any more for some reason)? - Says this about JAT: "There is also the fact you also pop up when you are attacked, but blend away when the heat is off you" and "Your scumhunting hasn't been too extensive so far.". I do not think this is true, i think this is extremely true if you compare this to Koshi´s play however. - Again Stutters becomes mafia. Note that this read has changed three times for Koshi, and all the reasons for the read are from D1. Makes zero sense. - Koshi tells me that he really needs a red flip on D2. After this he votes for JAT, givves no real reasoning nor follows the vote up on any way. - After this changes his vote onto Stutters. Same resoning and follow up as above. - After this he consolidates on to FirmTofu -> CJS -> FT (both are his town reads). Remember, he "badly needed a red flip!!!" N2: - Nothing much to say here, calls XRZ town. D3: - Sheeps me onto XRZ. - "That combined with the fact hz and rayn are confirmed town and they want this lynch." After that: - I am pretty sure everyone remembers what Koshi has done after that. Now how on earth does any of this stuff make sense?? I know how, Koshi is mafia! | ||
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On August 06 2013 01:48 hzflank wrote: Cora, you have played with Stutters before, right? Based solely on Stutter's play without any associations at all, do you think that Stutters is scum? Same question to Rayn. I can´t remember 100% tbh. I only remember him playing scum in Basterd, and i died on N1 and didn´t obviously read his posts after that so closely. He made a bad comment, and with the setup information WoS gave to everyone on D2 i could 99% tell he was mafia. In other game(s?) i remember him (he was town) i was mafia and attacked him based on pretty much nothing, because i had no time to play properly and he seemed like an easy target. He looks more scum to me than town here, but that´s purely process of elimination by now. I can´t honestly tell if he is town or mafia based purely on his play, but leaning on mafia based on the fact that he is not trying to solve the game. | ||
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On August 06 2013 02:06 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I've probably played with Stutters before, but I really cannot remember. I'm still worried about Stutters, but he has made a lot more of an effort throughout the game than Koshi and JAT, so I'm less certain about him being on the scumteam. He's been kind of lurky the whole game, but the posts he has made have been well constructed and decently reasoned. The lurky part still has me worried about his play. Actually i do think JAT looks insanely better than Stutters atm. He is willing to put effort into the game. Look at his post about FT, i think that post is a really good one with actual effort and thought, more than Koshi/FT/Stutters have put into this game after D2. FT is also almost definitely mafia. | ||
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On August 06 2013 02:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually i do think JAT looks insanely better than Stutters atm. He is willing to put effort into the game. Look at his post about FT, i think that post is a really good one with actual effort and thought, more than Koshi/FT/Stutters have put into this game after D2. FT is also almost definitely mafia. EBWOP: post about Koshi, not FT.. :E | ||
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"Did you or did you not think my case on Ace was good in NWM night 1?" Can i have an answer now and can you also tell me why didn´t you answer that in the first place? | ||
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Do you think Oats would not shoot OR roleblock me on N2? Would you take that chance as mafia if you know the dude has claimed a cop, claimed a green on a green, and claimed to check you that night? Can you explain that? Can you point out something from his posting that supports that, because it really is crucial for that scum-read. Other than that i really could see him being mafia, because he´s been beyond useless. | ||
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On August 06 2013 05:12 Stutters695 wrote: You'd have died earlier if I was scum, regardless of any PR. There is a reason you got shot in Basterd :p Seriously though, I would have shot or RBd you, the scumteam is retarded for not doing it. Only reason Oats wouldn't do the same is if he rolled GF. How likely that is, I have no idea. That is pretty shitty Stutters, considering you wanted to kill JJD instead of me in Basterd N1. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Stutters | ||
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Stutters 07-02-2013 04:00 PM ET (US) So I'm thinking we shoot JJD and Vivax Stutters 07-02-2013 01:34 PM ET (US) Maybe Rayn? Stutters 07-02-2013 01:33 PM ET (US) Or depending on if we miss the vet tonight we could counterclaim a townie who seems scummy but that's a huge risk too. You don´t even think i am a threat, but a scummy target to counterclaim. It´s the rest of the scumteam who wants me dead after you have afk´d for the rest of the night. | ||
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On August 06 2013 11:19 Oatsmaster wrote: both work fine. Which one will be voted for today by all of town though? Koshi. I hope man. Do you think that scum would push another wagon and we end up with 4-3 final votes? Like go all in? fuck you, you have never thought about who will town vote for lynch, otherwise you would have consolidated. You are scum too. | ||
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On August 06 2013 11:38 hzflank wrote: Okay Oats, care to refute the point on how Malongo's selt vote made you move your vote from Koshi to Exar? The main reason I was holind back this case is because I needed to find out whether or not your vote on Stutters D4 was trap or not. But you said it was not, so I think that you are scum. Oats and Stutters are both mafia. no need to try. Just vote for stutters. FT is also scum. | ||
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OatsmasterPerson was signed in when posted 07-09-2013 10:16 PM ET (US) oh yeah good luck explaining the rayn thing man  Also you do multiple YOLO's, which you never do as town. Guess what you do in this game? YOLO VOTE FOR XRZ! | ||
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On August 06 2013 12:24 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: RAYN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD YOUVE BEEN NOT LISTENING TO ME FOR 2 DAYS AND YOU SCREWED THIS TOWN OVER...NOW THAT I HAVE A KOSHI LYNCH PEGGED DOWN YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE STUTTERS AND NOT LISTEN TO ME AGAIN? ARE YOU PLAYING TO YOUR WINCON? HOLY SHIT GO TO BED I am trying to find mafia, i am pretty sure if i had no posts in this game you would be clueless as fuck. because you have not done much. sorry but truth. i am not saying i am the best guy here, but the whole fucking town would be totally fucked if i was not here, because other than hz you are not doing fuck to solve this game, you are hoping it solves itself. truth. | ||
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I thereby concede, idgaf about this game any more. Do wtf you want. I read every single thing you said, and commented on them. I thought he was mafia. If you are town this game, thank fucking you, you are not even trying to win. I AM SORRY LYNCHED A FUCKING TOWNIE. I AM FUCKING SORRY YOU WERE NOT CONVINCING ENOUGH, BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT! I AM SORRY I HAD/HAVE THREAD PRECENCE! I am done, i can´t stand your attitude Cora, i am sorry. People make mistakes, i do too. I hope Vivax was alive. gg. | ||
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On August 06 2013 12:47 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont think rayn is sorry somehow. Hmm. I wonder why. Why would you make this post as town? | ||
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On August 06 2013 12:54 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I gave you a scenario where both you and XRC were town and you didn't listen to it. You called it "hard to believe". Like seriously? WTF man. Everytime you drunk post you fuck up the game so hard for us I am not drunk and you are an idiot right now tbh. Look at the fucking evidence. | ||
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On August 06 2013 12:58 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: You've been wrong on almost all of your reads this game. At a point in time, you need to realize you are way off track and either need to reevaluate EVERYTHING you have observed from the game or take a step down and follow someone else for once. I have pushed FT and koshi all tha game, Oats on D2/N2. Discussion for post game. | ||
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On August 06 2013 13:35 FirmTofu wrote: Hey guys I'm back. I'm not sure why everyone thinks JAT is has a townie Day 3. Can anyone explain this position to me? Is this the only question you have after reading the thread? | ||
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See how i cleraly point out Stutters´ defensive behavior about me not getting night killed and then he silently sweeps it under the rug when i clearly point out he is lying. Firmtofu is mafia aswell, he is wanting us to consolidate and then he votes for a target that´s not getting lynched today. Oatsmaster is after re-evaluating not mafia. He says whatever comes to his mind. I dunno which on of Koshi/JAT is mafia, but you started trying too late if you are town. hzflank is amongst the people who have been trying to solve this game and Koshi´s attack on him is beyond stupid. | ||
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I dont follow you? If Stutters is mafia, why does Oats have to be mafia? There was a fucking day left. You don´t need to consolidate at the start of the day. | ||
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On August 07 2013 02:35 hzflank wrote: Oats' vote was on Koshi D2 until 4 other guys voted Koshi, then he unvoted. Oats' attacked Exar early D3, but then moved his vote to Koshi once it became apparent that Exar was going to be lynched anyway. Then on on D4, does Oats vote Koshi? Nope, he votes Stutters. Yeah this soundds much better and that´s what is bothering me about Oats. He does not care about who do we lynch. Too bad the only townie this game who does not vote with the rest of the town is gonna lose the game probably. No fuck. Not really. It´s not LYLO. This is gonna be exiting. | ||
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Gush.. Why can´t anyone else seem town than you/Cora. :E | ||
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At least Oats is justifying his "i refuse to talk anything about FT because townslip", and that is retarded. | ||
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On August 07 2013 03:11 hzflank wrote: I don't know what you mean by this part. Also, if Koshi is town then he is completely attacking the wrong people. I do not see why a town-Koshi would still be attacking me at this point. Because he thinks you are mafia. It´s not uncommon for townies to tunnel some dude they think is mafia for bad reasons or not looking at the big picture. Everyone does that some time. Koshi has at least given reasons why he thinks you are mafia. Those reasons actually make sense. Although i think the reasons why you are town outweight the reasons why you are mafia i can see Koshi´s point, at least i understand what he is trying to say and how that is possible from a townie. Remove the "at least" from Oats comment and it makes much more sense. All game Oats has refused to comment on FT because of townslip. It makes no sense, he is just saying "because of this one town tell i refuse to talk anything about FT, whatever he says". | ||
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On August 07 2013 03:39 Stutters695 wrote: You do realize I mix up what happens in games all the timeright? Iirc I accused BH of being scum in Les Mis due to WLIIA when it was BC or Bluelightz who was actually in it. Did something similar in YANMM and I'm sure a few others. My team in Basterd was AFK so much it made sense that I would call to shoot you. Regardless of that, the point still stands that I would have shot you this game n2(or at least RBed you) since there weren't circumstances like a looming mass claim which could have royally fucked me. Leaving you alive as a claimed cop would fuck me this game. Yeha but the point is you didn´t want to shoot me in Basterd. And now you are saying you would ahve shot me here "because i was shot for a reason in Basterd N1". It makes no sense. Also why would leaving me alive as a claimed cop fuck you over? I have been calling you town for the most of the game, so explain how would leaving me alive fuck you over? | ||
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Good job Koshi, there is only one correct play and that is to lynch you. | ||
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hzflanks claim and the claim timing makes no sense from scum point of view. He is not necessarily to get lynched, nobody has been pushing his lynch. There were people who looked far worse than him. hzflank claims veteran. If there is another veteran in the game he will be either lynched or there is going to be an 1-1 trade. 50% of the people look better than him. If someone like Oats/Cora/Clarity did claim veteran he would have been instantly fucked for no real reason. There is no way he made the claim as mafia, whatever he thought his position as a lynch candidate was. | ||
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geez guys. So all this discussion is pointless as no other lynch is gonna happen than Koshi. Pretty sad day phase. | ||
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On August 07 2013 04:54 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I made this handy guide to reading Oats after tunneling him in a bajillion games in a row: If he cares about what's going on, he's scum If he doesn't care about what's going on, he's town Right now he's still under the second one. That´s not entirely right. Oats was clueless in NWMand didn´t really give a shit. | ||
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just saying. | ||
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Innocent child. But that´s enough. GM´s should not post any nonsense in thread ever. It affect´s people´s reads whether or not you are joking or whatever the situation is. For reference see geript/marv incident with BH in LXI. | ||
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On August 07 2013 08:25 Koshi wrote: This means that we as town pushed all town wagons all teh fucking time? Only rayn pushed FT day 2 and a town non cop yolo'ed us away from scum to another scum. lololololol I pushed FT on D1 aswell. But hey, townslips. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:06 Koshi wrote: If that is the scumteam you made 800 posts blaming townies for being scum. Stop posting already. You are dead and the game is not over. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:20 Koshi wrote: That's how we roll. 5000 posts in this game and 4500 were town killing themselves. Yes because townies did dumb stuff to get themselves lynched. Including you. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:25 Clarity_nl wrote: Even without the vet claim you started looking town d3 Even if a dayvig doesnt kill you it would still be a silly plan. When you're town, just trust that when you scumhunt you'll start looking town. People will figure it out. No, hz´s claim was really good and 100% town and people were idiots to not see it. He thinks he is scummy. It´s a fucking majority lynch. He knows he will not get shot in any near future. He does not want to derail the thread by people discussing if he is mafia (because he is not) so he eliminates a suspect for the town by claiming. | ||
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That´s incredibly anti-town play. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:31 Clarity_nl wrote: ? If there was a vigi and the vigi could shoot him without killing him and DID, that would be terrible for town. Yeah, we confirm two people but then they both die the following nights. If hz had done exactly what he did without the claim he would have drawn a shot at some point. He didn´t think that trough. That´s why i immediately said "noone shoot hz". | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:32 exarezee wrote: i had to unclaim at some point. town thought cop was scum. i knew rayn was cop. cop thought i was scum. no other play here. hope u guys believe me. no other play. I will never get mislynched when i am town. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:33 Clarity_nl wrote: So why are you saying it was such a good claim. Because it proved he was town and eliminated a suspect for ~7 people. The vigi thing he said was a mistake but no sane vig should have shot him immediately, or ever, because he was obviously town and vigis should not shoot town. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:36 Clarity_nl wrote: It only looked town because he added the bad plan. Like, if he just went "yo guys im vet, claiming so you don't lynch me" it would have not looked townie. The looking townie part was by accident. It wasn't a good claim. It was the timing and the reasons he claimed for that were incredibly genuine, not any plans it included. | ||
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That´s cool and everything. | ||
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That went fucking good. | ||
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We HAD lynched FT, and avoided all the shitstorm that went on after that. | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:04 jrkirby wrote: If someone claims they found a "townslip" in a game with me, I will automatically assume they are scum. I kinda understand scumslip, even though I know you shouldn't put too much faith in it. Scum has information that town doesn't have, and they might accidentally betray that information. Depending on the slip, this could be good, or worthless evidence towards being scum. But TOWNSLIP? What extra info does town even have that they could slip? The fact that they're town? Everyone uses this assumption behind all their posts, even the scum! WTF? Town can't just accidentally tell the thread they're town, because that's what they're TRYING to say all along! It's not like town are hiding the fact that they're town. I could imagine copslip, perhaps. Maybe even docslip. But townslip is the stupidest thing I've heard in this thread. Yet it´s the only thing besides vayne´s stubborness that didn´t let me lynch FT on D1 and D2. Maybe someone bright enough can see how frustrated i was and why did i post so fucking much. Obvious things are obvious and if people do not get them i yell it over and over again. Sorry but that´s what i do. | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:09 Clarity_nl wrote: Who the fuck was disagreeing with the xrz lynch? no one You just kept yelling the same goddamn thing over and over and over Corazon´s fault. Which is understandable as he was mafia. | ||
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After D2 i didn´t really case and played all in with XRZ as he should have not retracted from his claim. If i had knows Oats (or anyone) was another non-vet PR i would have lynched Corazon immediately. | ||
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On August 07 2013 20:16 Koshi wrote: Well rayn, you were yelling "lynch Koshi" 10 times before you switched your style and start yelling "lynch FT" for the rest of the deadline. Why are you even surprised nobody followed you D1? Fact that we were lynching our townread is indeed /facepalm and a big part of my outrage towards hz. I should have defended Paper while going into the offense though. I will do that next games. I dunno if you have played in a game where there is a majority lynch, but you really need to push your cases or consolidate with proper reasoning if you are not. 3 wagons in 10v4 at the end of the day is a disaster and will never get mafia lynched. | ||
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On August 07 2013 20:30 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont agree though, I think day 1 is the most important to push a lynch through, but the days after that, it wasnt really that close to being a nolynch. Seriously? D2 there was a lynch ONLY because of what XRZ did. It was 30min to the deadline and everyone who would vote had their votes on someone. Votes were 5 on CJS, nobody else wanted to vote for him (and there was no case, i don´t blame people for that). There would absolutely have been a no-lynch if xrz had not claimed. | ||
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He did nothing but discredited me because of "being wrong" and i had pushed FT all the time on D1 and D2. Corazon could not possibly know if i had been wrong or right.. Like, there is a reason i checked him on N2.. | ||
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