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On July 28 2013 00:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Tofu's vote isnt serious. Papersvote isnt serious. By serious vote, I mean intent to lynch. Other than that exarzee?
What's the intent then?
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On July 28 2013 00:17 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 00:12 exarezee wrote: Let's look at their summarized sequence of interactions with me and assume they are both town. If you can explain to me their logic in this bizarre sequence, i will acquiesce.
Tofu attacks me about the lurker talk. I give a scum lean on papers. Tofu votes me because I did not provide a reason for my scum lean on papers. Papers comes back to thread and drops a vote on me. No reason is given. I provide my reason on papers. Tofu unvotes me and casts suspicion on papers now. Papers unvotes me. Papers plays off his posts as jokes.
They wanted to apply some pressure in an attempt to get a read?
so why'd they unvote so quickly?
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as a matter of fact, paper's response was that his posts were a joke. so we can't attribute his strange play to an attempt to get a read.
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@Oatsmaster
I don't believe one of the two to be scum because they voted for me. I'm looking at it through town eyes and their Complete Sequence of events doesn't make sense to me if BOTH are town...which leads to the next conclusion that one of them is scum. And I don't think they are both scum, because frankly it's too hard to pull this off.
If I look at the sequence of events with one of them being town and one being scum, it makes more sense to me.
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So the next question to me is: Well exarezee: What did they do that don't make sense to you?
I don't understand why tofu was debating lurkers with me. I don't understand why tofu put a placeholder vote on me. I don't understand why papers dropped in and put a vote on me. I don't understand why tofu unvoted me and soft accused papers when i soft accused papers earlier. I don't understand why papers unvoted me.
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I'm really lost as to who's trolling. I've been trolled by captain sparrow, oatsmaster, and paper so far. Are you guys all just joking right now or can i take your posts seriously.
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On July 28 2013 01:42 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 01:39 exarezee wrote: I'm really lost as to who's trolling. I've been trolled by captain sparrow, oatsmaster, and paper so far. Are you guys all just joking right now or can i take your posts seriously. The thread got really shitty. Working out why would be an interesting exercise.
The carefree posts and lack of reading comprehension to make an actual case or a real quote of what i said makes me lean town on oat and captain jack. i'm not sure if oats is clueless and blind or a savante. it's either or and no in between. will wait to make that judgement.
i see no reason to move my vote of FT at the moment. I will of course give him a chance to defend himself. But his posts on day 1 are bad. And if it was a joke, it was pretty bad jokes imo.
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On July 28 2013 01:49 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 01:46 exarezee wrote:On July 28 2013 01:42 hzflank wrote:On July 28 2013 01:39 exarezee wrote: I'm really lost as to who's trolling. I've been trolled by captain sparrow, oatsmaster, and paper so far. Are you guys all just joking right now or can i take your posts seriously. The thread got really shitty. Working out why would be an interesting exercise. The carefree posts and lack of reading comprehension to make an actual case or a real quote of what i said makes me lean town on oat and captain jack. i'm not sure if oats is clueless and blind or a savante. it's either or and no in between. will wait to make that judgement. i see no reason to move my vote of FT at the moment. I will of course give him a chance to defend himself. But his posts on day 1 are bad. And if it was a joke, it was pretty bad jokes imo. You mean papers, right? that's who your vote is on
ah yes, papers. sorry.
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On July 28 2013 02:28 FirmTofu wrote: I'm going to consolidate and post a case on exarezee. There is a wealth of scummy shit that he's been doing.
i can't wait. i was going to respond to your previous post but i will wait for this.
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On July 28 2013 02:30 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 23:53 exarezee wrote:On July 27 2013 23:48 hzflank wrote:On July 27 2013 23:33 exarezee wrote: I forgot to address your other point hzflank.
I think I've stated who is more likely to be scum by the small case I put on paperscraps and the fact that I voted for him.
Why is me advocating the 2 wagons bad? I feel like I will get a lot of useful information regardless of how they turn. My scum lean on paperscraps isn't even that strong...and if he actually was joking then it's a very slight lean. Still, based on their interactions with me and their voting history on Day 1, I firmly believe that one of those two is scum. Because scum want two town wagons on day 1. Town only wants to find one scum as the chance of actually finding multiple scum on day 1 is very slim. If a scum member is under pressure and cannot deal with it alone then the simplest and easiest thing for the scum team to do is to ignore that person and secure two other lynch candidates. If town start saying that we want to lynch two specific people then it makes it too easy for scum to steer us into a mislynch without being noticed. If you think that they are both scum that is fine, but don't do anything resembling pushing for lynches on them both at the same time. You're exactly right. Scum would ideally want two town wagons Day 1. That's why we wagon paper and tofu......you really think they are town/town with their interactions with me day 1? WTF? Bolded and big'd obvious scumslip. How did no one catch this?
Huh? I'm getting more and more confused as this game goes on. Put me in the confused category guys. And by confused, I mean mind boggling confused.
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On July 28 2013 02:40 Clarity_nl wrote: I mean, I find the thing FirmTofu just did kinda hard to fake. Like, I guess if you're superscum it's like a mindgame thing, but if that were the case why did he seem so scummy in the first 12 hours.
##Unvote
Am actually gonna be gone for a couple of hours but shall return later, look forward to hearing from Malongo.
I mean captain jack and oats kinda did the same thing. And I've given them town leans for it...But can't give everyone town leans for doing this kind of stuff.
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I am going to try to address the points that Tofu has made. A few are completely false statements; a few are inaccurate jumps in logic, I am just going to copy what he's written in his most recent post and you guys can scroll up if you want to see the context in which he writes them in.
Here he accuses Koshi and paperscraps. Note that he never followed through on his Koshi scumread.
First off, my accusations were soft tonal reads made at the beginning of Day 1. There's not a whole lot of substance behind them. I made a case on paperscraps only after he made several more posts. I did follow through with regards to Koshi and explained that I did not like his fluff post in early Day 1. So I think he's slightly scummy for his fluff, but due to lack of posts, there really isn't much point in going after him.
...and two posts later, he's saying he wants Paperscraps dead. Why does he feel the need to say, "Oh, yea, Paperscraps might have been joking around...but he's scum anyway." This line of reasoning does not bode well for his alignment. Only scum would be pushing someone while setting themselves up with an excuse for a town flip.
Never said I want Paper dead. Said I like a wagon on him. I didn't feel the need to say paper was joking around. He himself said it. I agreed that it was a possibility, slightly weakening my position on him, yet I still liked a bandwagon on him. I don't understand what line of reasoning you are talking about. And I'm not setting myself up with any excuse. Nobody is right every time in this game.
Another scummy post from exarezee. This is the first time he has said anything about finding me scummy. He's pushing for my lynch in theory, but is still voting Paperscraps on paper. It's like he wants to throw dirt onto me but doesn't want to be associated with my town flip. I think the idea is to support Clarity's pressure on me without actually associating himself with the wagon.
Ok, this is the second time you've claimed yourself to be a town flip. We get it. You claim to be town as does everybody else. I want to throw dirt on you but don't want to be associated if you flip town? I've advocated that you and paper should be the bandwagons. Pretty sure I'm stuck to you.
No one said exarezee looks town aside from me very early in the game irrc. It looks like exarezee is trying to push pressure off of him by saying other people think he's town. Scum play at its finest.
Yourself was leaning town on me. Vayne was "99% town on me". And hzflank labeled me "almost as town as anyone". So again your statement is completely false.
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On July 28 2013 03:25 Paperscraps wrote: Just woke up and I am heading to work. I have read up to page 16. I will be back in 5 or less hours and make some posts with substance.
I'm curious if you think Tofu is scum?
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On July 27 2013 13:39 FirmTofu wrote: If I had to lynch someone right now, it would be CJS. All of his posts are filled with fluff and he has a random vote on Oats. I'm hating having to decipher all of his wordplay in his posting.
Paperscraps would not be a bad lynch for similar reasons. I'm not as convinced as I am for CJS, but suspicion is still there.
Right now, exarezee is looking pretty town.
So paperscraps was suspicious in your eyes. Nothing has changed regarding paperscraps, as he hasn't posted till a few minutes ago. Why do you not have him in your sights anymore?
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Also, why is CJS not your top candidate anymore?
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On July 28 2013 03:43 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 03:40 exarezee wrote:On July 27 2013 13:39 FirmTofu wrote: If I had to lynch someone right now, it would be CJS. All of his posts are filled with fluff and he has a random vote on Oats. I'm hating having to decipher all of his wordplay in his posting.
Paperscraps would not be a bad lynch for similar reasons. I'm not as convinced as I am for CJS, but suspicion is still there.
Right now, exarezee is looking pretty town. So paperscraps was suspicious in your eyes. Nothing has changed regarding paperscraps, as he hasn't posted till a few minutes ago. Why do you not have him in your sights anymore? Mostly because I think you are scum and if you are scum, paperscraps is likely town. Do you think I'm scum?
I think you're scum if paper is not scum. I think the chance of paper being scum is higher than your chance of being scum.
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On July 28 2013 03:50 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 03:43 exarezee wrote: Also, why is CJS not your top candidate anymore? He's on the same level as all my other reads that are relatively useless and post fluff. He has somewhat redeemed himself in my eyes with his conversation prodding you. I'm trying to lynch scum and you are the closest thing to scum for me right now.
Well, I've shown that three of your statements about me that are part of your case are completely wrong.
1. I did say something about koshi 2. I'm not trying to distance myself from you and throw soft accusations at you. 3. I had 3 people lean town on me when I made the post saying several people had town reads on me.
You got anything else?
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On July 28 2013 04:07 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 04:00 hzflank wrote:On July 28 2013 03:50 FirmTofu wrote:On July 28 2013 03:43 exarezee wrote: Also, why is CJS not your top candidate anymore? He's on the same level as all my other reads that are relatively useless and post fluff. He has somewhat redeemed himself in my eyes with his conversation prodding you. I'm trying to lynch scum and you are the closest thing to scum for me right now. Have you read the thread thoroughly? CJS has had more than one good conversation and has been by far the most useful town player in this game. If CJS is scum then he deserves a medal for this day 1 play. Also, has this exchange with Exar made him look at all less scummy to you? I wasn't even saying CJS is a scumread for me right now... Nope, still scum on exarezee. His responses look like a feeble attempt to save face.
If you actually believe that and are a townsman, I feel sorry for you.
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I copied all your posts and addressed each of them. What am i picking and choosing?
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Do you want me to copy and paste my big post for you to see again?
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