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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 14:49 GMT
#2923
EBWOP: Balancewise that´s really really improbable. Add a cop in there who can confirm those people and bam, mafia is screwed from the beginning.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 14:51 GMT
#2924
On August 01 2013 23:49 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 23:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
On August 01 2013 23:41 hzflank wrote:
Okay Vayne, think about this:

Stutters said he thought that Malongo was scum. Stutters also said that if we mislynch D2 and a Janitor kills goes through we lose if Malongo and/or Oats are town because they will probably not be available to stop a last minute vote switch.

Why did Stutters not want to lynch Malongo D2?


stutters would have had to change his play in advance knowing some one would look at his previous scum game. I guess that's possible but if he's scum he is the last place im looking atm.


Think about what I just said:

Stutters wants to lynch scum. Stutters thinks that FT and Mal are both scum.

Stutters thinks that if Mal is in fact town then he is a liability to town.

Why would Stutters push hard to lynch FT instead of Mal?

In Stutters mind: FT is likely scum. Mal is likely scum but if Mal is town then we are screwed.

If Stutters was telling the truth about his reads he should of preferred a Mal lynch, but he pushed FT lynch hard.

Because tbh, at least from my pov FT was like 1000x scummier than Malongo. I don´t lynch people for being useless and noone else should. They should lynch scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 14:52 GMT
#2927
I´m off for an hour. cya later guys.

I´m gonna type a big post before the night ends although i am pretty sure XRZ gets killed and i am alive. Unless scum are gonna gamble on the janitor role if they have one.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 14:59 GMT
#2931
On August 01 2013 23:53 VayneAuthority wrote:
and it was a good lesson in why you don't let self-voters go punished. Don't think I forgot about anyone ad-hom attacking me yesterday when I was staying on him. You look suspicious as fuck. That's probably rayn's biggest scum trait right now

I was not attacking you. I was telling you you had not read the setup and i thought FT was more likely to be scum than Malongo. You were stubborn enough to stay on Malongo even when it was quite clear (before XRZ´s claim) that Malongo is not gonna get lynched and your stubborness would have made us no-lynch.

I have a green check on you, i have not attacked you in this game because i am 99% sure you are town, at least after N1.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 15:03 GMT
#2932
vayne let´s end this discussion, really.

We are town pretty sure and this is getting us nowhere. Nobody is accusing you ofg anything but not reading the OP and possibly causing a no-lynch which did not even happen. I am pretty sure both of us were right, because i think FT is mafia and i think there are no scum in FT wagon at that time.

We are good, we lynched scum, it´s no use to argue about that unless you think it somehow makes me/Clarity scum, which i don´t understand because you don´t know if FT is mafia or not for sure.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 15:09 GMT
#2935
On August 02 2013 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 01 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 01 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 01 2013 23:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
So lets say FT is town Rayn, how do your reads change?

FT is scum so there is no need to discuss that.

lol.
Indulge me.

There is no pre-flip association in my reads, so my reads won´t change a bit. JAT/Koshi come up after FT/you/Cora as scummiest.

So the fact that i have been hard defending FT all game doesnt do anything for you if Im right?

no
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 15:12 GMT
#2938
On August 02 2013 00:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2013 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 02 2013 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 01 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 01 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 01 2013 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 01 2013 23:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
So lets say FT is town Rayn, how do your reads change?

FT is scum so there is no need to discuss that.

lol.
Indulge me.

There is no pre-flip association in my reads, so my reads won´t change a bit. JAT/Koshi come up after FT/you/Cora as scummiest.

So the fact that i have been hard defending FT all game doesnt do anything for you if Im right?

no

hehe, you know Im right man.
YOU KNOW IT BOY!

townies defend town all the time. scum defend townies all the time. scum defend scum all the time.
there is nothing alignment indicative in your defence. other than it´s really fucking bad based on one "townslip" and you are ignoring every single other thing FT has done.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 15:15 GMT
#2939
On a sidenote, i just got confirmation that there are no other sanities for cops this game than sane.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 15:20 GMT
#2941
Except that he has done nothing that counts towards him being town after the first 24h of D1. How do you know what FT´s scumplay looks like?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 15:21 GMT
#2942
Why don´t you point out the things FT has done that only town can do? I have already debunked your "townslip" argument pretty effectively. Now explain the actions that make FT town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 15:27 GMT
#2946
On August 02 2013 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2013 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why don´t you point out the things FT has done that only town can do? I have already debunked your "townslip" argument pretty effectively. Now explain the actions that make FT town.

The townslip is the thing that makes him town.


+ Show Spoiler +
On June 23 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lolol, did OO just claim scum?

On June 23 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Unvote:
Vote: ObviousOne

On June 23 2013 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
that's like a 100% scumclaim in my eyes.

On June 23 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ehh.. Sloosh viewed you as scum as you asked some random person (Goag) about Oats. You are perfectly fine with that because you think it's true as you said to me.

I hereby show you that scum are able to fake finding scumslips. You argue against that with "you are able to, but FT is not". You have never seen FT play scum. Do you see where your argument falls apart?

Now, try some other posts of his.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 15:35 GMT
#2948
On August 02 2013 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont see how my argument falls apart unless you quote a post made by a scumplayer about finding a scumslip in someones filter through 1 specific post that clearly isnt a scumslip if read properly.


You didnt even quote the OO 'scumclaim'.

You are fucking ridiculous. You don´t have to do anything, everyone needs to hand everything for you on a silver plate and waste time explaining you the most obvious stuff ever. You are not interested in finding mafia, you are not interested in playing this game. You are scum.

Go look at Sloosh/OO filter from the game you played and probably very well remember the incident, because you have commented on it in that game!

I encourage everyone else do so. Sloosh calls OO scum and talks about other stuff. OO calls Sloosh´s post "right and good", therefore he is basically calling himself scum. Funny thing is i was actually scum with OO in that game and knew people are not going to buy that scumslip theory and are going to argue against it. It´s not fucking hard to fake finding a scumslip as mafia, no matter how good or bad you are.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 16:11 GMT
#2953
Oats, be honest with me here. Did you or did you not understand my case on Ace in NWM N1?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 16:21 GMT
#2954
On August 02 2013 00:42 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Seriously, Oats, you can´t deduce from reading the thread why i voted for Malongo, nor you can deduce why i was angry?

You are either so fucking terrible at this game or scum. i´d say 99% scum.


I think you should stop giving out percentages on your reads...

Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vayne, fuck you. seriously.

vote for FT now, i am a cop who has a green check on you from N1, you need to fucking vote for FT so we can stop this bullshit, Malongo is 99% town.

You are going to lose the game for us with your stubborness.


If you are town Rayn, you need to face the music and realize that you were simply wrong. The fact that you are just bashing Oats and calling him scum even thought it has NOTHING to do with the vote or what happened or anything is super scummy. Are you trying to figure out who is scum and who is town, or are you just trying to shove your reads down everyone's throat.

Every other post of yours looks like:
Show nested quote +
SCUMTEAM IS CORA/FT/OATS/NOT MALONGO SO WE NEED TO LYNCH ALL OF THESE PEOPLE AND YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO ME BECAUSE I AM YELLING PLEASE


You're playing super defensive. How come?

Yet again Corazon amazes us with a post that has none scumhunting in it, only discrediting for bad reasons. For the record i am not defensive, i am aggressive and have been throughout the game. You have clearly no intention to find mafia this game, therefore you are scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 16:23 GMT
#2955
Why are Cora & Oats saying i was wrong? They can´t even fucking know i am wrong unless they know FT is town. Why the hard defense on a guy who they have not even read pretty clearly based only on "townslip"? SCUMSLIP, THEY KNOW FT IS TOWN

/sarcasm, see what i did there? I have to be confirmed town for you now.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 16:38 GMT
#2958
On August 02 2013 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2013 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 02 2013 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont see how my argument falls apart unless you quote a post made by a scumplayer about finding a scumslip in someones filter through 1 specific post that clearly isnt a scumslip if read properly.


You didnt even quote the OO 'scumclaim'.

You are fucking ridiculous. You don´t have to do anything, everyone needs to hand everything for you on a silver plate and waste time explaining you the most obvious stuff ever. You are not interested in finding mafia, you are not interested in playing this game. You are scum.

Go look at Sloosh/OO filter from the game you played and probably very well remember the incident, because you have commented on it in that game!

I encourage everyone else do so. Sloosh calls OO scum and talks about other stuff. OO calls Sloosh´s post "right and good", therefore he is basically calling himself scum. Funny thing is i was actually scum with OO in that game and knew people are not going to buy that scumslip theory and are going to argue against it. It´s not fucking hard to fake finding a scumslip as mafia, no matter how good or bad you are.

No I dont have to do anything ever when you cant prove someone is scum.

Wait so OO was scum?
dude. like no contest man, FT's townslip about finding a scumslip was WAY FUCKING DIFFERENT.
HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THAT BEFORE YOU LISTEN?
HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES HUH?

How is it different? How? How did you know at that time they were not both scum? How do you know it now? How can you explain this, and what difference does it make if you are accusing your scumbuddy or a townie?

rayn, so you played roughly 7-10 games with me, is this similar to,
these 3 games?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&user=Oatsmaster
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407704&user=Oatsmaster
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&user=Oatsmaster

Or these 3 games?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418641&user=iGrok&user=Oatsmaster
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417453&user=Oatsmaster
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420356&user=Oatsmaster

- Ego: Everyone is a townread, let´s live happily ever after! <3 Same as here early on.
- Dr Who: I dodn´t play in that game so i´m not even looking at it.
- NWM: You are also far more cheery when you are town. In NWM you were accusing people throughout the game but you didn´t really want anyone lynched, ever. Your play is really similar here.

- Basterd: First post is a vote on me, solid town!Oats. You are actually reasoning your reads and trying to lynch people.
- Catch 22: Fourth post is a vote. You have strong opinions on every person you comment on. Definitely town.
- Bluelightz game: You again want to lynch people throughout early D1. Strong opinions. Funny note: "Why are we even talking about lurkers when there is only like 7 pages???" Compare this attitude to this game, where you talk about lurker lynches for the first 24 hours.

How much more i have to say?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 16:42 GMT
#2959
On August 02 2013 01:31 cDgCorazon wrote:
Admit it Rayn, you are wrong. You've been using shitty heuristics all game (confirmation bias, (1)association cases before flips, refusing to look at anyone's arguments). What do you expect to happen when you are wrong?

(2)You voted for your town reads. Twice. Do you understand how scummy that looks Rayn? It's ridiculous. You're trying to drive an FT lynch home so much that you basically hard-defended Malongo. Then you just 180 on your Malongo read and vote for him. What gives? You were so resistant to vote out scum, and that looks super suspicious.

(3)I have all the intention to find mafia this game. In fact, I already did. At least I'm smart enough to not vote for people I think are 95% town and 99% town, respectively.

(1): Point me out to one single association case i have made.
(2): I have fully explained why i did vote for Paper when i did. You believing/not believing me is another thing. You also did nothing to accomplish a mafia lynch on D1.
(3): Show me where you have found mafia? Definitely not on D1. Definitely not on D2? If you are talking about me, definitely not on N2.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 16:43 GMT
#2960
Also explain to me why i am wrong? How can you say so unless you know FT is town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 16:50 GMT
#2961
On August 02 2013 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2013 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 02 2013 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 02 2013 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont see how my argument falls apart unless you quote a post made by a scumplayer about finding a scumslip in someones filter through 1 specific post that clearly isnt a scumslip if read properly.


You didnt even quote the OO 'scumclaim'.

You are fucking ridiculous. You don´t have to do anything, everyone needs to hand everything for you on a silver plate and waste time explaining you the most obvious stuff ever. You are not interested in finding mafia, you are not interested in playing this game. You are scum.

Go look at Sloosh/OO filter from the game you played and probably very well remember the incident, because you have commented on it in that game!

I encourage everyone else do so. Sloosh calls OO scum and talks about other stuff. OO calls Sloosh´s post "right and good", therefore he is basically calling himself scum. Funny thing is i was actually scum with OO in that game and knew people are not going to buy that scumslip theory and are going to argue against it. It´s not fucking hard to fake finding a scumslip as mafia, no matter how good or bad you are.

No I dont have to do anything ever when you cant prove someone is scum.

Wait so OO was scum?
dude. like no contest man, FT's townslip about finding a scumslip was WAY FUCKING DIFFERENT.
HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THAT BEFORE YOU LISTEN?
HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES HUH?

How is it different? How? How did you know at that time they were not both scum? How do you know it now? How can you explain this, and what difference does it make if you are accusing your scumbuddy or a townie?

Show nested quote +
rayn, so you played roughly 7-10 games with me, is this similar to,
these 3 games?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&user=Oatsmaster
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407704&user=Oatsmaster
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&user=Oatsmaster

Or these 3 games?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418641&user=iGrok&user=Oatsmaster
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=417453&user=Oatsmaster
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420356&user=Oatsmaster

- Ego: Everyone is a townread, let´s live happily ever after! <3 Same as here early on.
- Dr Who: I dodn´t play in that game so i´m not even looking at it.
- NWM: You are also far more cheery when you are town. In NWM you were accusing people throughout the game but you didn´t really want anyone lynched, ever. Your play is really similar here.

- Basterd: First post is a vote on me, solid town!Oats. You are actually reasoning your reads and trying to lynch people.
- Catch 22: Fourth post is a vote. You have strong opinions on every person you comment on. Definitely town.
- Bluelightz game: You again want to lynch people throughout early D1. Strong opinions. Funny note: "Why are we even talking about lurkers when there is only like 7 pages???" Compare this attitude to this game, where you talk about lurker lynches for the first 24 hours.

How much more i have to say?

If you really want my opinion on your play in Dr Who, you are again not calling anyone scum. Scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 01 2013 16:51 GMT
#2962
Oatsmaster is mafia and should be lynched on D3. There is a spot on meta case i just posted. There are also other reasons i have posted before that are not meta.

Lynch Oatsmaster, the mafia dude on D3. He is scum!
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