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FirmTofu
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Hz, cjs, oats, and clarity are all town btw. Anyone tho thinks these ppl are scum has to pull out some crazy conspiracy theory to justify their position. Rayn is probably town. Like hz said, no cop is extremely unlikely. He's probably going to die tonight anyway, so there's no point discussing him right now. Of those who are left, JAT and stutters have to be mafia. There is no doubt in my mind about this. My vote will likely be on either of these two candidates for Day. | ||
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FirmTofu
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On August 05 2013 07:14 Koshi wrote: I always said you were town. ALWAYS. But I was on you because I also thought Maongo was town -_-. And we wanted a lynch... I know. I'm saying your behavior isn't making sense if you are scum. Phone posting sucks  | ||
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FirmTofu
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FirmTofu
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On August 05 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: So FirmTofu thinks Koshi is town because Koshi is defending FirmTofu. Same guy who saw through our "let´s all buddy each other" in the last game. No.. way... FirmTofu do you really think mafia does not defend town like that? Or that´s not a possibility? It's not that he's defending me. It's that he's defending me when I am the only person that is even remotely likely to be mislynched if the scum team is koshi/stutters/JAT. If he wants a mislynch, why would he be defending me right now? | ||
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FirmTofu
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I can see why they would leave a potential cop rayn alive, but I don't know why thy chose clarity over CJS and Oats, who are both practically universally confirmed town. I'm inclined to think that scum wanted to kill someone who had a majority of the scum team in his sights. What was clarity doing right that oats and cjs are doing wrong? | ||
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FirmTofu
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On August 05 2013 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: That´s a bunch of WIFOM and you should be telling us why Koshi/Stutters/JAT are mafia, and making them reveal their true colors if you are town. I don't think it's wifom. The scum team would be hooding a target that best complements their Day play. A kill that would be beneficial in securing a mislynch. I'm going to go through clarity's filter first. | ||
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FirmTofu
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On August 05 2013 09:37 hzflank wrote: Tofu, Can you explain to me again why Oats is confirmed town? I mean it as a general thread sentiment. Oats is probably town if rayn is town. Rayn claims to not have been blocked on the night that he explicitly stated that he would chek oats. If you think rayn is town, it is only logical to assume oats is probably town. | ||
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FirmTofu
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On August 05 2013 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah and why is clarity confirmed town? I never said he was. | ||
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On August 05 2013 09:41 hzflank wrote: But you think that Rayn might be scum, right? If Rayn is scum then why is Oats town? No, please read my previous posts. I think rayn is more likely to be town than mafia because no cop is extremely unlikely. Also, I never said those people were confirmed town to me, I said they were confirmed town to the thread. Translation; they are unlynchable. | ||
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FirmTofu
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On August 05 2013 09:42 Koshi wrote: Rayn/Oats/JAT try to look into that FT. I am going to need all the help I can get. As much as I think you defending me makes you look townie, I cannot think of a single scumteam where you are not scum. The process of elimination leads me to believe that you must be scum. I will take a look at Oats, but unless there is another cop claim, I don't think rayn is mafia right now. | ||
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FirmTofu
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On August 05 2013 09:46 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: So Oats and I aren't confirmed town to you? How come? Again, you people are misinterpreting what I'm saying. When I said you guys are confirmed town, I meant you were unlynchable. I have a town read on both you and oats. | ||
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FirmTofu
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On August 05 2013 09:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: So it´s day 4 and we have FirmTofu and Koshi who are both saying "practically everyone could be mafia". Sounds legit townie play so far! That is not what in saying at all. I'm saying stutters and JAT are scum. I'm saying the third scum could either be koshi or you. I'm leaning toward koshi because I cannot imagine that we have bastard hosts who put in at least a scum roleblocker and only one town power(hzflank). | ||
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FirmTofu
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On August 05 2013 10:16 Koshi wrote: Any chance we can lynch JAT over me? ##vote justanothertownie This is my lynch of choice, yes. ##Vote: justanothertownie | ||
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FirmTofu
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On August 05 2013 10:33 hzflank wrote: And Tofu saying that you are likely scum by process of elimination, but then sheeping your vote on JAT (his other scum read), without questioning you at all... Did that not change your read on Tofu? Not sure why you expect me to question koshi when I think JAT is far more likely to flip scum. I know practically everyone wants to lynch koshi, but JAT is a far batter lynch. | ||
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FirmTofu
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On August 05 2013 10:36 hzflank wrote: Tofu thinks that everyone else is unlynchable right? So if Tofu is town then the only way he can win is by lynching scum today but also distancing himself from all the scum in an attempt to keep himself alive until all the scum are lynched, or until someone else becomes lynchable. Koshi is currently under the most pressure. Tofu sheeps Koshi's vote without distancing himself from Koshi. How does town-Tofu intend to win the game? He is basically betting the entire game on Koshi being town. On the contrary, I am betting on JAT flipping scum. There is not a single scum team of mine that doesn't have JAT on it. My behavior towards Koshi is irrelevant. Also, you logic implies that you don't think Koshi and I are on the same scum team. I'm not sure what you're getting at. | ||
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FirmTofu
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On August 05 2013 10:51 hzflank wrote: What I am getting at: Koshi is likely to be lynched today. If you are going to get JAT lynched then you need to push hard. Even if JAT were to flip scum today then Koshi would still be under pressure day 5 and still have a chance at flipping scum. Therefore, you need to push hard on JAT independently of Koshi, just in case. What you just did was throw a vote on JAT immediately after Koshi did, with no one providing any reasoning. That says nothing about JAT but makes both Tofu and Koshi look like scum. You (Tofu) have been FoSing JAt for a very long time now but have done little to nothing in the way of actually getting him lynched. This is a fair point. The only reason I haven't made a case just yet is that I am on a train and have no computer available. I will definitely make a strong case against him in a couple of hours. | ||
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FirmTofu
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Posting Style: A laid-back, "Lynch anyone who suspects me" style of play. His first strong scumread was me and he gave no justification for it. It looks to me like he wants me dead for the sole reason that I think he's scum. OMGUS at its finest. He just sheeped general thread sentiment and casually prodded me when I wasn't making a case on him. I don't see the usual enthusiasm that is so characteristic of most townies. Almost all of his posts are focused on defending himself rather than pursuing lynches. All the posts where he asks people to explain why they think HE is scummy: On August 02 2013 06:46 justanothertownie wrote: I'm here. If this means you think I'm scummy clarity - I'm open to conversation about why you are wrong. On July 31 2013 04:31 justanothertownie wrote: What is it that you think is weird? On July 28 2013 02:20 justanothertownie wrote: So basically scum is between me and alle the lurkers according to koshi and oats. Do you really think that this is very likely? Would you mind explaining why i am on your lynch list koshi? Why do you think my posts are so bad? On July 28 2013 04:26 justanothertownie wrote: Well, my filter isn't exactly huge.... I would like to repeat my earlier request: Please explain yourself. You just stated I am scummy and provided absolutely no reasoning for that to be the case. Other than that you aren't scumhunting at all... On July 28 2013 22:58 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, so I will probably be here for the next 2 hours before I leave (there is a concert in my city which I definitely won't miss). I hope I will be back before the deadline but I can't 100% guarantee it. Vivax - would you mind explaining why you think I am scummy and why I am a good lynch today? You don't wan't to lynch me just because I'm a low profile player, do you? If you have any questions i will gladly answer them. Also, I really want to hear your reasoning for the read on Paper. On July 29 2013 07:57 justanothertownie wrote: I'm back and just caught up. Now I'm frustrated because I already started a post calling Vivax out for lying about my stance on oats and I have to see he corrected himself (nice one). As this is the only real point Vivax makes in order to get people to vote me that is not stolen from oats case (which is terrible) there is nothing more to say for me besides it really looks like Vivax just absolutely doesn't want Paper to be lynched. Why does he feel the need to defend himself every time someone accuses him? Why is he so afraid of dying? Stuff I Don't Like: + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 20:43 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, my read on you was justifiable at that point but where do you see a lot of posts that would indicate this? Sounds weird to me. I would love to lynch VA for his attitude towards the game but if he always plays like this then there is nothing about him that indicates any alignment. But I would like to know why Vayne thinks Oats voting Tofu is good? Also I'm still not content with Koshis explanation of his reads. So you actually don't have any scumread anymore besides the troll and the lurkers? For now I still think Paper is a good lynch. His reads do not impress me. What? Please explain this. I don't know if we read the posts of the same person... Yeah, that's because you both don't have any real scumreads.... or do you really think Vivax is scum? Or that I am? ##Vote: Paperscraps Quotes random parts of Paperscraps' post and asks him to explain. He doesn't specify what exactly he wants PS to explain, he just says, "explain". To me, this looks like a classic case of scum trying to pretend to be active and questioning without asking anything of actual substance. On July 31 2013 07:45 justanothertownie wrote: Interesting. Now you suddenly think I'm scummy without any new information? Suddenly you don't believe I'm new anymore and the posts you use to prove it were available to you way earlier when you actively defended me and said I'm town. WTF. Are you serious? That's the best you could come up with? And yes I'm aware of the fact I didn't follow through with my hz/tofu case. That's because it was not up to date anymore and I would have needed to add the new information gained by all the claims and reactions tonight. When I tried to put it together I started to become unsure and waited and since my conversation with hz earlier I'm seriously doubting my read on him. The case was a mix of hz/tofu with a lot of connection between them and if I doubt the hz part of it I can't justificate the whole case as it is. Therefore I didn't post it. Btw. like I said to oats before - do you want prove I'm new? I can give it to you easily. The first part of this post aims to ridicule someone for their case against them. JAT dodges the case without putting out any actual substantive defense. The second part of this post is an excuse made to justify the lack of follow-up on the case he promised to make. Bad all around. On August 01 2013 00:02 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, I read xrzs filter. I'm leaning town on him. Many things he say make sense. If he is scum he is hiding this really good. For now the best lynch is koshi in my eyes. ##Vote: Koshi I will be at a meeting from now on and not be able to follow the game or post. I will be back before the deadline (I hope several hours before). This post was made when the XRZ lynch was gaining a little bit of steam on Day 2. JAT supposedly had me pegged as scum during this time. He previously made a few arguments against Koshi, but nothing too significant. If he really thought I was scum, why didn't he vote me? Did he fear backlash? What exactly prompted him to vote Koshi instead of me? On August 02 2013 05:18 justanothertownie wrote: I'm not afraid of dying because there are several much better targets to kill for scum not because I'm new. Who I think is scum depends partly on the nightkill but I didn't like oats posting today and I still think Tofu is scummy. I also did not like CJS posting yesterday even though he was right on malongo but I'm not sure about him. I guess after the nightkill I should have a better understand of what's going on. He keeps using his "noobiness" as an excuse to justify things. In this post, he is saying he won't be killed because he's a noob. In other posts, JAT says people think he's scummy because he's new. He's using it as a fall back option to get himself out of the limelight. The "Scumslip Scumslip" The Timeline: 1) Vayne says he's the cop and he got a red check on Malongo. On July 30 2013 09:21 VayneAuthority wrote: I have a guilty check on malongo. awaiting his response! 2) The votes start piling on in this order: rayn, FirmTofu, Stutters, hzflank. 3) Vayne says two very important things: (1) He lied about being the cop (2) JAT had a very weird response to the claim. Here is the post where Vayne elaborates why. On July 30 2013 09:50 VayneAuthority wrote: if you can give any decent reason for writing what you did in parenthesis I'll be surprised. This is exactly what I was looking for tbh. people with outside info 4) JAT says these two things: On July 30 2013 09:49 justanothertownie wrote: Dude, think about that for a minute. If I was scum - why would I jump on this claim? I would know he is lying (if Malongo is town). AND On July 30 2013 09:54 justanothertownie wrote: Parenthesis? Sorry, im not a native speaker. I liked this check because I came to the conclusion that Tofu and hz are likely to be scum and Malongo was a null read for me which fits in really well because hz wanted no connection between Malongo and Koshi to be had while Koshi was treated as scum. Why is this a scumslip? JAT just said he was town because he jumped on the Malongo lynch. Okay, that's fine. So he should think that everyone who jumped on the Malongo lynch is town, right? WRONG. Both hz and I were on the Malongo lynch and JAT still had us as his top scumreads. There is absolutely no reason why a townie would hold this blatantly contradictory position. JAT must be scum. | ||
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