EPTI really think it likely that Cora/FT/Oats are of one alignment and Rayn/Stutters of the other. I am not sure which wway around it is though.
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
I really think it likely that Cora/FT/Oats are of one alignment and Rayn/Stutters of the other. I am not sure which wway around it is though. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On August 01 2013 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity if you are town please please please read what i have said about FT and Oats particularly. You seem to be the voice town listens to because all of the scum are soft-pushing me to discredit me. In fact every fucking player doesn´t believe in me and i don´t know why is that. I have made perfect sense and i am not bad at this shit. I might not be the best player around but i am fucking sure Malongo is not mafia. His actions in this game and in last two games (I swear 2 & NWM) pretty much prove that. Clarity, Malongo, vayne, Stutters and hzflank are pretty damn sure to be town. exarezee is town for me by his actions on D2, he is being consistent with his actions when you mirror that to his reads. There is a slight possibility that JAT is in fact scum, but everyone else looks way more scummy, because they should be playing 1000xc better than they are atm. Has malongo been scum in any of those games, and if not, what's not to say he plays the same amount of clueless as scum. townreads on me, hz and vayne make sense. I can see from your perspective why stutters might be town, but malongo? I don't think anyone in particular listens to me, although hz bounces off of me which is cool. I haven't played all too well. Looking townie when I'm town is my only strength. My strength about FT's scumslip townslip is waning a bit, and oats is the only person who directly agreed with it, so perhaps there is some truth there. I'm gonna go look. I don't have to look at FT because I know he looks like scum, but your oats case really did look weak. Be back in a bit. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 01 2013 06:13 hzflank wrote: Cora that was another scummy dig. That's not how you scum-hunt and that's not how you convince town that someone is scum. I really think it likely that Cora/FT/Oats are of one alignment and Rayn/Stutters of the other. I am not sure which wway around it is though. You are very right here. Hopefully you figure out the right path when those idiots lynch Malongo and he is town because i have pretty much said everything i have to say and i will soon not give shit about this game any more because of dumb town. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On August 01 2013 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are very right here. Hopefully you figure out the right path when those idiots lynch Malongo and he is town because i have pretty much said everything i have to say and i will soon not give shit about this game any more because of dumb town. Well there is no point in lynching Malongo then because it will not tell us which path is correct. At least if we lynch one of the people that I mentioned we get some great associations. FT is not my lynch of choice, though. | ||
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justanothertownie
16318 Posts
On August 01 2013 06:18 hzflank wrote: Well there is no point in lynching Malongo then because it will not tell us which path is correct. At least if we lynch one of the people that I mentioned we get some great associations. FT is not my lynch of choice, though. Why? And your choice is stutters I guess? | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
I can provide rum and we'll swim in a sea of red when Tofu flips. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
If we lynch Stutters and he flips red it is great, but if he flips green then we can have a good idea who most of the scum team is. Probably FT/Cora/Oats/Koshi. We can just work out which of them is the most likely though and start from there. We have the least to lose from lynching Stutters or Rayn, and I think that Stutters still has a very reasonable chance of flipping red. Stutters has to be the best lynch target based om that, no? | ||
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justanothertownie
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 01 2013 06:15 Clarity_nl wrote: Has malongo been scum in any of those games, and if not, what's not to say he plays the same amount of clueless as scum. townreads on me, hz and vayne make sense. I can see from your perspective why stutters might be town, but malongo? I don't think anyone in particular listens to me, although hz bounces off of me which is cool. I haven't played all too well. Looking townie when I'm town is my only strength. My strength about FT's scumslip townslip is waning a bit, and oats is the only person who directly agreed with it, so perhaps there is some truth there. I'm gonna go look. I don't have to look at FT because I know he looks like scum, but your oats case really did look weak. Be back in a bit. See how Malongo started the game. He did fuck up in I swear D1 by not reading the setup at all so that he got lynched on D1. In this game he was really trying to avoid it on D1, which can clearly be seen from his posts. On D2 start when vayne claimed the check on him he did in fact fuck up when he had not read the setup, so the ragequit makes perfect sense from town pov. If he was scum he would probably know there are no PM´s (because of scum QT) and he would have never twisted his answer to vayne like he did. When he realized he fucked up he knows he looks terribad and decided to just give up. If he was mafia, think about it. Noone is even accusing him of anything concrete but not reading the setup. Just put out some reads and you are okay again. His ragequit makes zero sense from mafia perspective, and if he was faking it, he would have to fake about not knowing there are no PM´s. Do you think Malongo is capable of doing that as mafia? The same guy who as town shot his mason-buddy in I swear 1h into the game because he couldn´t figure out what was the purpose of the QT he was in??? No... fucking... way... The thing with Oats is that if he is town, he calls everyone scum when he sees a scummy post. Then he starts questioning them. Here he is far more conservative about his reads. town!Oats does not have zero scumreads 24h into D1, no fucking way. Also the fact that Oats & Cora are not on each other´s throats makes them both very likely mafia. Those are the two players who tunnel the shit out of people (besides me) and when they get into an argument they will not let go, usually even when they are clearly wrong, because they believe in theirselves. Now they are both just dropping some questions or minor shit on each other and not interacting with each other at all. That´s fucking fishy and that´s not how it goes when at least one of them is town. FT is scum. I don´t need to say anything more on this. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On August 01 2013 06:25 justanothertownie wrote: I'm not so sure. Why is he a better target than Tofu? If Tofu flips red great if he doesn't we lynch Stutters? (theoretically) Because if Tofu flips green then we have two strong scum suspects (Rayn and Stutters), and a couple of weaker ones (Exar and JAT). If Stutters flips green then we have better/stronger scum suspects (FT Cora, Oats) and only one weak one (Koshi). | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On August 01 2013 06:21 hzflank wrote: Lynching Mal only helps us to win the game if he flips red. If we lynch Stutters and he flips red it is great, but if he flips green then we can have a good idea who most of the scum team is. Probably FT/Cora/Oats/Koshi. We can just work out which of them is the most likely though and start from there. We have the least to lose from lynching Stutters or Rayn, and I think that Stutters still has a very reasonable chance of flipping red. Stutters has to be the best lynch target based om that, no? Except that I'm town and Tofu is scum. You jumped on my dick over planning ahead for a worst case scenario. Tell me. If I'm scum why wouldn't I not say that and just do it? If I say nothing, sit back and watch as you guys mislynch, then tomorrow have a janitor try to shoot and if it lands quick vote and win. Instead I point out something that clearly the majority of this town hasn't considered because they're too busy circle-jerking a n1 roleblock to actually try to solve the game. It makes no sense for me to put out a feasible plan I could use and bring undue attention to myself when I could have easily coasted until tomorrow. | ||
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IMCaptainJackSparrow
Bahamas303 Posts
Taking a look at Malongo's filter, it's kind of obvious that his guy is scum. I'll dissect his filter for a bit. His first major analysis post: On July 28 2013 14:29 Malongo wrote: I really didnt like this post from hzflank: The think about starting the day lynching a lurker is to force the players to post and force the mafia to make mistakes. I rather start the day forcing lurkers to post than "looking for 2/3 wagons" earlier. Earlier wagons are more likely to be town (in my experience) and the lurker lynching stays aside. Trying to get early wagons is also a good way to close the fence early wich help the mafia more than the town. His vote so far on Paperscraps is really weak and when I read his filter I found it really reactive (or defensive as he put it). ##Vote: hzflank This vote for hzflank is really poorly reasoned. He reads the first 24 hours of posts and that is all he can come up with? He votes for hz because hz was stating his opinion about LaL-ing and Malongo disagrees with it. If Malongo was really going to attack someone for the reason he attacked hzflank, he should have attacked the people who started the lurker lynching conversation to begin with. All in all, it looks like a forced case and a really bad entry into the thread, considering that it was late and he had a lot more information to work on. Then there is his vote on FT: On July 28 2013 16:38 Malongo wrote: Meh I still think hzflank is better lynch but I want to test how this turns out when I wake up. Night. ##Unvote ##Vote FirmTofu. What kind of vote is this? There's absolutely no explanation as to why he wants to vote for FirmTofu. He even admits that hzflank is still his top scumread, so why is he changing his vote to FT? It makes absolutely no sense. This was not even close to the end of D1. It's just an attempt by him to look like he is trying to scumhunt when in fact he isn't. He continues to push an hzflank lynch while his vote is still on FirmTofu (spoilered to condense the post): + Show Spoiler + On July 29 2013 06:44 Malongo wrote: This is hzflank on Paper: How can that be mafia if the game had just started? You expect something like a paper on who is mafia based on 10 pages of posts? guy addressed one by one each player and you get angry because he doesnt respond directly to you This is a lie as proof you can actually find the exchange that he actually answers you directly: So actually you are telling that you dont understand Paper so he is not town. See the logic flaw? Well actually his one sentence makes more sense to me than these case. He calls Vivax directly lurker because there was no reason behind his vote. How is that in any ways indicative of mafia? if something he liked your own way to be abrasive. What? most people look at Paper as null towards townie, I dont see anyone calling him town. What I am sure is your post is really forced towards Paper He then suddenly goes back to an hz lynch: On July 29 2013 07:08 Malongo wrote: The thing is your case on Paper was conveniently tunneled and wagoned early and nipticked and I found you lying 2 times. A) When you said the guy was not answering you directly. hint: he did B) When you said *how pleople find Paper townie posting. hint: null =/= townie That and the fact that now we are ending the day with 0 pressure on active lurkers as you wanted with your initial posts. ##Vote hzflank While his vote is finally following his actual suspicions, why did he stray in the first place? And then there is the fakecheck, to which he responds: On July 30 2013 09:41 Malongo wrote: If there is no miller there is no chance in hell you are telling the truth. Vigi on me asap, clear the vigi you and me, im green. The fact that he wants the vigilante to shoot him to see if VA is telling the truth is really scummy. A town player would try to prove that he is town by his posting and his scum hunting. Malongo just goes out and asks for a vigilante hit on him. It's almost as if he was trying to bait out a vigilante shot knowing he was going to get lynched. It would be beneficial for scum because he could get rid of a vigilante shot and narrow the pool of blues down. The ragequit happened but as I said earlier: On August 01 2013 05:51 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Also scum can ragequit too...see DrH in Bluelightz mafia. So, in summary: -Malongo's activity levels have been very unsatisfactory and he is trying to blend in -Has not done very much scum-hunting -His hz vote is really weak and he continued to push hz even after he had voted for FirmTofu -Voted for FirmTofu without any explanation and did nothing to push the FT lynch -Initial reaction from VA's fake-check was to draw out a vigilante shot (not totally scummy but there's possible scum motivation) -Ragequits are not 100% town-tells Malongo looks like the best lynch to me, and I hope you all can agree with me. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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IMCaptainJackSparrow
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
CJS has a case about how, because malongo has been incompetent, he is scum CJS, you fail to address the fact that he thought pms were enabled, what do you make of that? | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On August 01 2013 06:15 Clarity_nl wrote: Has malongo been scum in any of those games, and if not, what's not to say he plays the same amount of clueless as scum. townreads on me, hz and vayne make sense. I can see from your perspective why stutters might be town, but malongo? I don't think anyone in particular listens to me, although hz bounces off of me which is cool. I haven't played all too well. Looking townie when I'm town is my only strength. My strength about FT's scumslip townslip is waning a bit, and oats is the only person who directly agreed with it, so perhaps there is some truth there. I'm gonna go look. I don't have to look at FT because I know he looks like scum, but your oats case really did look weak. Be back in a bit. The scumslip/townslip doesn't matter. Tofu has shown a clear lack of town mindset, has been pushing an agenda that makes no sense for town. Ignore that whole section and he's still scum. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 01 2013 06:29 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: .... So, in summary: -Malongo's activity levels have been very unsatisfactory and he is trying to blend in -Has not done very much scum-hunting -His hz vote is really weak and he continued to push hz even after he had voted for FirmTofu -Voted for FirmTofu without any explanation and did nothing to push the FT lynch -Initial reaction from VA's fake-check was to draw out a vigilante shot (not totally scummy but there's possible scum motivation) -Ragequits are not 100% town-tells Malongo looks like the best lynch to me, and I hope you all can agree with me. - Does not make Malongo scum, in fact it´s perfectly in line with his town play - Does not make Malongo scum, in fact he is trying more here than in his latest town games - Does not make Malongo scum, because he does dumb stuff all the time - Does definitely not make Malongo scum as you said yourself rofl - Does definitely not make Malongo scum | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On August 01 2013 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: - Does not make Malongo scum, in fact it´s perfectly in line with his town play - Definitely does not make Malongo scum based on his last games - Does not make Malongo scum, in fact he is trying more here than in his latest town games - Does not make Malongo scum, because he does dumb stuff all the time - Does definitely not make Malongo scum as you said yourself rofl - Does definitely not make Malongo scum | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
Anyone ever do those puzzles as a kid, seating arrangements, x doesn't like y etc. I feel like I'm missing one piece. hz why do you not like a tofu lynch? | ||
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IMCaptainJackSparrow
Bahamas303 Posts
On August 01 2013 06:33 Clarity_nl wrote: rayn just said malongo is incompetent and town CJS has a case about how, because malongo has been incompetent, he is scum CJS, you fail to address the fact that he thought pms were enabled, what do you make of that? He could just be saying that...did he actually pm anyone? | ||
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