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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On July 24 2013 07:00 marvellosity wrote: It's like getmoript said. Go look at TAA's reaction, and tell me that's not a direct mafiaclaim? ~marv The fact that he said that and left is even worse. So then is TG lying about RB? What else could scum possibly have to counter 2 sane cops and a vigilante? | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On July 24 2013 06:58 cDgCorazon wrote: Well I don't think the chances of having 2 cops and a vigilante for town and only a roleblocker for mafia is very fair. Someone has to be lying. I can believe Onegu, which leaves Getmoript and TG's claims. There's a chance they could both be lying. Idk why Getmoript would claim to get TAA killed. What would he say if he was wrong about TAA? If town indeed has these power roles, we'll most likely be dealing with a miller or a godfather. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On July 24 2013 07:00 marvellosity wrote: It's like getmoript said. Go look at TAA's reaction, and tell me that's not a direct mafiaclaim? ~marv | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
Would quite like getmoript/austin/whoever's general input on the whole claiming situation. Hard to work out alone. ~marv | ||
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getmoript
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
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getmoript
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 24 2013 06:40 FiveTouch wrote: Yeah, it's a bit overly sarcastic in its douchiness. But from my end, this is the dude you voted for last night. I know you're hydraed, but this guy is the guy you voted for, wanted to lynch. His filter isn't giant, the stuff that gave me a scumread and started the wagon on him is contained within a small number of posts. You may not have read them, or the reasons the wagon got rolling, maybe you were absent and haven't looked it back over.austin, I can quite happily ignore you for the rest of the game if you're gonna be a sarcastic douche. Just saying bro. ~marv Which is...fine. But you ought to be able to see why that might trouble me? The two of you together possibly not having read the reason that wagon got rolling in the first place? Possibly not having read some of the few posts that the guy you voted for made. Overly sarcastic, yes. But you act like I need to present specific posts to you on a red carpet, whereas I'm acting like you should have already read them because you voted a guy and joined a wagon. As far as explaining why they can ONLY come from scum...I'm not going to do that? I honestly find that request peculiar. I'm not dealing with a claim or anything, these are specific posts and actions I find scummy. It's POSSIBLE they come from town, that's how almost every last scummy thing ever happens. Like...almost never does someone's case involve "here is why all of these posts and actions could 100% only come from scum and never from town." You're asking for something that's almost never done, and is ridiculous. As to why they're LIKELY from mafia, read the vote. He read getmoript's filter, voted JJD because of getmoript's "convenient" comment. However, getmoript had changed his vote, changed his suspicions, and called JJD town. Saying you read a filter and are sheeping a vote when it's not that guy's vote anymore is curious for town. ESPECIALLY curious is doing that and then...not really owning up to it? A townie who does something that weird goes "Oops, my bad, totally didn't notice getmoript calling JJD town later and moving his vote." Which TG never does. He doubles down on "I never had a read, was just pressuring." Furthermore, look at the reads. There's generic "not scumhunting" in that he doesn't seem to have scumreads until right before deadline, and then it's some people who came up in discussion. But he's voted a dude he has no read on, compares him to another dude who he doesn't think is scum but here's his most scummy post, and then only way way way later after all of this jazz does he have some scumreads. I don't like that voting progression, don't like how his reads NEVER come up until the very end of the night, at which point it's not like anything is going to happen with em. I find both those things to be different from Nuclear TanGeng. He wasn't around long, but he's got reasoned out posts, he looks at the Chez nuke on D1 from a couple angles, decides what he thinks is likely, discusses with other people why something makes sense or doesn't. Here, his vote is to pressure a dude that nobody is voting for reasons that are outdated and weak, he has no scumreads until the very end of the day, and his actual posts and play feel far less involved. Not just number of posts, but they don't take something, analyze it, come ot a conclusion. More importantly, that response to the claim makes all this a bit unnecessary today, because I agree wholeheartedly that it's not a townie response (one of the few things that really isn't ever what a townie would do) | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
Are people told whether they are naive/paranoid/sane/insane when they receive their roles? How useful is a cop's accusation when we cannot trust their sanity? I don't think lynching TAA based solely on getmoript's claim is the best course of action. If we think TAA is scummy AND we have getmoript's claim to back it up, I don't mind lynching him. Back to scumhunting. I'm going to ignore the cop claims for now because in NW, I tried to setup speculate and that fucked me over. I don't want to simply assume that two cops can't exist. My scumreads are TG, jrkirby, and TAA. TG claimed he was roleblocked. This is not alignment indicative. He was scummy yesterday and nothing has changed to sway my opinion in the other direction. I will talk more about jrkirby and TAA in a few additional posts. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 24 2013 07:04 FiveTouch wrote: I think getmoript's timing is alright, and his choice of targets makes sense. Having just claimed mafia two games ago in a situation where I thought I was pegged, his post looks almost exactly like my reaction to getting "caught." So, I believe TAA is red, and I guess then believe getmoript is actually a cop. He's not been in my scummy list, therefore I don't see this as some kind of action. So if TAA is red, getmoript very likely cop.My head hurts right now if I'm honest. Would quite like getmoript/austin/whoever's general input on the whole claiming situation. Hard to work out alone. ~marv Corazon's counter is funky. Especially given that he claims rolecop who copped himself. Either he just ROYALLY screwed up a counterclaim, or he's serious. I can understand him not thinking we'd have that many powerroles. I can understand TG's saying we might have miller/GF(s). To some extent though, Corazon's argument doesn't make sense internally to me. Corazon claims rolecop. Says he did so because unlikely town has the roles that have been claimed. I don't think a rolecop seems particularly useful UNLESS there are a decent number of powerroles. Rolecop is something I think I only ever see in PTP or themed games, where there are lots of roles. If it's like...half VTs then a rolecop ain't super duper useful. The fact that he doesn't think we have the claimed roles BUT knows from getting a result back that he's a rolecop...is odd. But honestly, why does scum fakeclaim rolecop? If you claim regular cop, you can give alignments. If you claim rolecop, you're in some DEEP shit, because maybe town orders you to check specific folks, and you can't just make up roles. In a closed setup, rolecop is an AWFUL choice for a fakeclaim. So, despite thinking the "we can't have this many powerroles" thing is inconsistent with having a rolecop, I believe both claims atm? tl;dr - TAA's reaction makes him likely red, Getmoript wasn't scummy before, therefore getmoript likely cop. Corazon's rolecop claim seems like an awful choice to fakeclaim, therefore likely true but not alignment indicative. Seriously, rolecop is right up there with claiming innocent child IMO in terms of bad fakeclaims. | ||
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getmoript
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getmoript
1016 Posts
On July 24 2013 07:16 FirmTofu wrote: I don't think lynching TAA based solely on getmoript's claim is the best course of action. If we think TAA is scummy AND we have getmoript's claim to back it up, I don't mind lynching him. Ok I'm with you... My scumreads are TG, jrkirby, and TAA. What in the actual fuck? | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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getmoript
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I dunno, it's just not how I would try to puzzle that one out. I would focus on getting checks first, then figuring out whether they were trustworthy second, based on either flips or always getting red or whatever. I can understand wanting to confirm sanity, it's just an odd choice from my point of view, because I would value MOAR CHECKS over sanity, whereas you are saying you valued sanity over checks. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On July 24 2013 07:22 getmoript wrote: Ok I'm with you... What in the actual fuck? This pretty much sums it up for me. -VE | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On July 24 2013 07:25 getmoript wrote: @Marv/VE What do you think of Tofu's mysterious scum read on TAA after being "null" on him for D1. Guess I'll just wait for his posts on it tbf  ~marv | ||
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