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On July 15 2013 07:31 Superfluous wrote:Koshi why are you pushing SO HARD on Chrom for thinking I'm town? he keeps listing his reasons, which you can agree or disagree with, but what you're doing isn't good for town at all. You're just causing divisions and not even asking me much of anything, who's the person that is supposedly mafia in your eyes. You haven't listed any arguments that have convinced Chrom. You even quoted my posts and bolded what you thought were reasons but skipped some reasons as well. Just because I don't make huge-walls of text doesn't mean I didn't list legitimate reasons. For instance you skipped bolding Show nested quote +. It struck me the wrong way, and I interpreted it as he was waiting for a reason to lynch me, not that he wasn't going to at all. . At this point gut feelings play a major role in reads.
Dude, you are scummy like hell.
Divisions aren't bad. At this point it is you or kirby. Town can be divided today on this lynch and be best friends tomorrow.
First I thought both you and Kirby were scummy, but I was willing to give Kirby a chance to redeem himself.
You could have redeemed yourself as well but it would have been without me helping you. If you would have been doing the shit that Chroma is doing for you, than I wouldn't feel so strongly against you atm. But the fact is that you cant, you are afraid to defend yourself, you can only defend yourself by saying you are sorry. Unlike kirby who actually is defending himself on a decent way.
But this Chrom character is something completely different. How can he feel so strongly about kirby.
I was willing to vote Kirby, but chrom his defense made me WANT TO LYNCH you. Because it is unnatural how much Chrom cares about you. I am NEVER DEFENDING Kirby, I only said he could redeem himself. But look at Chrom. He is doing your defense. I think he must love you. I don't see any reason why Chrom keeps defending you so strongly, at this point he is more defending you than pushing his case against Kirby.
Super, don't you think that your case against Xzavier was incredible weak at the moment that you voted for him?
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On July 15 2013 07:43 Chromatically wrote:
I would consolidate if it is literally the only way to avoid a no lynch.
THIS IS BULLSHIT
TOWN WE ARE GOING TO GET SO MUCH INFO WHEN WE LYNCH
THERE ARE ONLY 3 FUCKING SCUMS. A MISSLYNCH IS NOT BAD.
ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME? WE ALL AGREED THAT LYNCHING WAS GOOD. AND NOW CHROM WANTS TO PROTECT SUPER SO MADLY THAT A NO LYNHC IS OK?
WE AGREE THAT THEY BOTH LOOK SCUM. FUCK THIS
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On July 15 2013 07:41 Superfluous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:53 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
@Superfluous
Can you post a list of your Town and Scum reads like kirby did in case you die tonight? Town: Chroma Umasi Hurricane (mostly because I really like this post) I did have that post calling you out earlier but you havent done anything similar since. Stimaddict (bad play revealing role but w/e) Jrkirby, though now I would lynch him to save myself seeing as its definitely coming to that. Maf: Xzavier Koshi Insert Lurker here Hzflank (weakest tho) I'll point out again how hard koshi is going on me and in some ways trying to distract from jkirby/discredit chroma. If Either of them flip maf I'd be suspicious of the other, though the same could be said of me and chroma I suppose.
Sure I am scum because I am spamming like a retard to lynch you. READ my nuclear game people COME ON.
I don't play like this at all. But I want this lynch to happen. We need the info.
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On July 15 2013 07:47 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:46 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 07:43 Chromatically wrote:
I would consolidate if it is literally the only way to avoid a no lynch. THIS IS BULLSHIT TOWN WE ARE GOING TO GET SO MUCH INFO WHEN WE LYNCH THERE ARE ONLY 3 FUCKING SCUMS. A MISSLYNCH IS NOT BAD. ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME? WE ALL AGREED THAT LYNCHING WAS GOOD. AND NOW CHROM WANTS TO PROTECT SUPER SO MADLY THAT A NO LYNHC IS OK? WE AGREE THAT THEY BOTH LOOK SCUM. FUCK THIS I realize that reading comprehension is hard, why don't you take another look.
Ok I am very sorry. jeezus.
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On July 15 2013 07:50 Superfluous wrote:
ALSO IMPORTANT NOTE
If there is a cop, I feel an obligation to point out that it is more important to check active people who are pushing hard than it is to check lurkers. It is generally a better policy to lynch lurkers and check actives than to lynch actives and and check lurkers.
Also, the Mafia WANT people who are difficult to read in the end game to cause confusion amongst the town, and having a cop check on these people can win the game for town.
It is also dangerous if someone like Umasi or Chroma are mafia and go unchecked, because they are controlling the conversation and pushing hard on people.
That is random advice. It is good advice though, but it is very random.
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Superflous make your case against the people you call scum.
How do you dare to call me and Xzavier scum? Except for saying that you are scum.
How the you dare to add a lurker there. Is that another famous gut reading or maths?
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On July 15 2013 07:55 Chromatically wrote:
Wow, look at all the scum resistance to this Super lynch.
wow look at all the tunneling to protect Super.
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I am just going to trow this out here. But with a pending superfluous lynch. Do we want to see superfluous roleclaim? If he claims blue we might want to let him stay alive? It is up to scum to kill him tonight? Or not?
I realize fluff is fluff but maybe we want this to happen?
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On July 15 2013 08:08 Rainbows wrote:
If either kirby or super is blue plz claim
NO. NO. NO.
We want a Super claim. NOT A KIRBY CLAIM
WTF?
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So you want scum to know if kirby is blue? How is this ever good?
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Firmtofu. Look at me. I am you.
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On July 15 2013 08:14 Superfluous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 08:06 Koshi wrote:
I am just going to trow this out here. But with a pending superfluous lynch. Do we want to see superfluous roleclaim? If he claims blue we might want to let him stay alive? It is up to scum to kill him tonight? Or not?
I realize fluff is fluff but maybe we want this to happen? That post is so scummy/ baiting. I've clearly demonstrated a basic knowledge of mafia and it goes without saying I would claim if needed/true. Suggesting I role claim gains nothing. Plus, if you thought there was a possibility I was blue, why the fuck would you push for my lynch? Clearly you believe it's a possibility because you suggest it about me but didn't when jkirby was at 6 votes.
I actually didn't know kirby was leading atm. I don't understand how this change happened but it happened.
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On July 15 2013 08:15 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 08:13 Koshi wrote:
So you want scum to know if kirby is blue? How is this ever good? I don't want scum to know that anyone is blue. If someone is blue then that is their business. If they every choose to claim then that is their business. We have not even had any night actions take place yet, so there is no way to prove the claims anyway. We should not be asking anyone to claim. Why did you want Super to claim, but not Kirby? Why one person but not another?
I thought super was on 7 votes. Didn't see the change.
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On July 15 2013 08:19 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 08:16 jrkirby wrote:On July 15 2013 08:13 jrkirby wrote:On July 15 2013 08:11 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 08:10 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 08:08 Rainbows wrote:
If either kirby or super is blue plz claim NO. NO. NO. We want a Super claim. NOT A KIRBY CLAIM WTF? Why? I'm not setup to die atm. Oh wait, I am pretty close. But anyway, if I'm blue, you'll know it on the flip. feels like martyring. talk TALK YOUR ASS OFF THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS OUT, YOU COULD DIE WHY ARE YOU NOT TALKING YOUR ASS OFF
/singed
Stop being a martyr kirby. Keep fucking talking and let us know why you are town. Find new shit somewhere. Prove why we want you to stick around. Because you are going to die if votes don't change.
Chrom has a stronger position than me and hz combined so...
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On July 15 2013 08:21 Nightcat99 wrote:
and i disagree with the role claim because if they are going to die theres no reason for the scum to know we are missing a blue or if there are enough scum vote to save them last sec and switch to someone else that would be worst, cause now they can get 2 people
If you die your role is exposed.
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Is kirby worth saving?
Solid read. This is why we can use kirby over Super. (bolded below)
+ Show Spoiler +On July 15 2013 07:22 jrkirby wrote:
Yeah, if super flips scum, which I hope, I'd be really suspicious of chrom. But I don't think you should vote him if I die tonight.
Chrom: If I died tonight and flip town, who would you want next? If I hypothetically flipped scum, what then?
Anyone else who wants to answer these questions would be appreciated, But I'd specifically like it from chrom, because he's been pushing my lynch the hardest.
Kirby defends himself below, he is not afraid to call out people.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 15 2013 02:42 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 02:26 StiMaDDict wrote:
@jkirby: please, stop dodging the subject. Why did you think those 3 were most suspicious at the time your posting and what is your current read on them. Oh, that was the question. Woops. Rainbows & Umasi: I didn't like the way they were hunting stim and arguing over semantics. It's a really weak scumtell, and I had a really weak scumread. What else can you do that early in the game? I only really mentioned it because I was specifically asked, if I recall. I'm still suspicious of sponge for the way he reacted to that "unposted" writing drama. I think he's the next filter I'll dive. Also, I looked through rainbow's filter, and after that early stim back and forth, miscommunicating stuff, he seems to have a clearer townish filter.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 15 2013 03:27 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 02:51 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 02:48 jrkirby wrote:On July 15 2013 02:38 Chromatically wrote:
Well, what information did you get from it? We got that he claims to have a post that he would've posted on the condition that he's scum, but he won't post it. He clearly admitted it. And there's an obvious scum reasoning behind that: He didn't actually have something to post, because he IS scum. That isn't to say there isn't neutral motivations, as he already posted one. We also got to see how he defends himself. Apparently he does it in a calm rational manner, and provides clear (if somewhat dubious) reasoning for his actions. If you don't have anything new to ask me, I'm going to read his filter now. So it sounds like you got a scummy feel from the situation. However, you never show any signs of this. Why wouldn't you pressure vote him? Why wouldn't you keep pressuring him? Why wouldn't you ask others for reads on him?These are all things that townies would do to develop and push their reads, but you never show any interest in Sponge after this. You show no signs at all that you actually care about Sponge's alignment. It actually might have been a good idea for me to put a pressure vote on him. I'm not the greatest player, but that sounds like that would've been a good idea. Too bad I didn't think of that earlier. I didn't keep pressuring him because I didn't have anything to pressure him on. I guess I should've asked for others' reads on him too. This is all good advice, wish I had thought of it earlier myself. Thanks. My current view on Hurricane: I think hes scum, but a very bad day one lynch. Reasoning: 1) He claims he wanted stim to act all angry. I personally disagree, and I think angry players are as bad for town as lurkers. 2) He votes against me, the only person really putting any pressure on him at all. This is only after I already have two votes, as well. 3) His refusal to post something about this mafia game that I asked him to. I don't think he'd make a good day one lynch, because he's a logical rational player who writes well. If I am wrong about him, he'd make a good ally on the town team.
I want you to read his case on Gotard. Then read all the "cases" superflous made.
Then I want you to read the response of Kirby to Godart. This is good stuff.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 15 2013 03:37 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:08 Gotard wrote:On July 15 2013 02:03 jrkirby wrote:Gotard is really sheeping with his vote on me. In one post, he says I "confuse him a little" before anyone has voted me. Then he votes me saying: Jrkirby looks like a better lynch than Superfluous right now. What? You think that you can just sheep me because of the two biggest bandwagons, you like this one better? You think you don't need to do anything, and it's just fine to jump on whatever BW you see fit? Because that is NOT ok. You better pick up your play, because that is scum. He reiterates a couple of things other people have said, and doesn't even get all of it, and misinterprets even basic things: His post claiming that hzflank is mafia was awkward and then he defended himself saying that it was only a joke/pressure combo. That was like the third post of the day, and I was quoting things that happened before the game even started. If you thought there was a chance that it was completely serious, then you weren't paying much attention. On top of that, he's barely posted, hasn't posted an original scumread, and has pressured no one. Guys, I think we found scum. Vote: Gotard Since the majority of votes is required to lynch someone you need to jump on wagons or make really strong case for other to follow and some people are just better than me at doing that. What do you mean by saying "You think you don't need to do anything, and it's just fine to jump on whatever BW you see fit". You can say stuff like that about 50% of the players in this game... And this bandwagon of course fits me because I find you scummy. "That was like the third post of the day, and I was quoting things that happened before the game even started. If you thought there was a chance that it was completely serious, then you weren't paying much attention.". Then what was the point of that post? To confuse people? To make fake content? I don't see how that post was pro town in any way. It was simply useless. "On top of that, he's barely posted, hasn't posted an original scumread, and has pressured no one.". It's hard to post "original scumread" when you are in EU timezone and game is the most active when you sleep. Do you want me to talk to myself? rotfl. (That was a little scummy excuse T_T). I do what I can do which is more passive play. These are just excuses. Read filters, hunt scum. Don't look for where the votes are, reiterate what everyone else has said, and then vote the same way.
below more good stuff from kirby. Even if you don't agree with him, it is better than anything I read from Super
+ Show Spoiler +On July 15 2013 02:36 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 02:28 Chromatically wrote:He gives this as the purpose for the posts: It was to see his reaction, and judge whether he was telling the truth. Well what has he gotten? Nothing! His read on Sponge was totally unaffected. He was pressuring Sponge for no reason, which is scum. What? Pressuring someone with no reason at the beginning of day 1 is scum? Why? It only gets town more information. If done properly (maybe better than I can do it) on a poor player (maybe a player worse than Sponge) who is actually just so happens to be scum, then you'll be able to get a very good scumread. Just because I wasn't successful with flying colors doesn't mean that a) we didn't get any information, or b) it was scummy.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 15 2013 02:25 jrkirby wrote:Xzavier also looks scummy to me. While he hasn't voted yet, he did say: Soon after it's clear we both have a BW on us. Pretty much sheeping to me. And it's only a couple hours for the deadline, so I wouldn't be surprised if he BW's someone without much discussion or reason. Also most of his posts have been about his schedule, instead of about the game. If THAT isn't fluff, what is?
Then lastly. Kirby said 2 times he is very good at seeing voting patterns, he says that this is his best skillset.
What is Superflous his best skillset? Giving random Cop facts?
+ Show Spoiler +On July 13 2013 10:32 jrkirby wrote:Honestly? I have real trouble seeing scum until I see voting patterns. I'm slightly more suspicious of Sponge, Umasi, and Rainbows than the rest. Sponge I've stated my reasons for. I don't really trust my read on Rainbows because [meta here] I thought he was scum last time I played with him and he wasn't. Umasi just reads a bit ornery, so that could be the reason for my weak read. My vote on hzflank was kinda a combo of joke/pressure as you guys pointed out. It got a bit of discussion, but didn't get much of a rise out of hzflank, who I currently have null read on. I guess I should unvote him now, since the pressure obviously didn't do too much. ##unvote: hzflank
Read Kirby his filter. If you want to safe 1 of these 2 guys? It must be kirby.
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On July 15 2013 08:41 hzflank wrote:
People should not think about what happens if someone flips scum. If someone flips scum then that is a win, plain and simple.
Considering what happens if someone flips town hold more weight, although with 13 people still in the game even that is WIFOM.
I suggest just asking yourselves: Of all the players we could possibly hope to lynch today, who is the most likely to flip scum?
We dont know who is the better target between super and kirby (we agree on this right?)
Who will be more useful to us in Day 2?
That is the next question.
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On July 15 2013 08:36 Koshi wrote:Is kirby worth saving?Solid read. This is why we can use kirby over Super. (bolded below) + Show Spoiler +On July 15 2013 07:22 jrkirby wrote:
Yeah, if super flips scum, which I hope, I'd be really suspicious of chrom. But I don't think you should vote him if I die tonight.
Chrom: If I died tonight and flip town, who would you want next? If I hypothetically flipped scum, what then?
Anyone else who wants to answer these questions would be appreciated, But I'd specifically like it from chrom, because he's been pushing my lynch the hardest. Kirby defends himself below, he is not afraid to call out people. + Show Spoiler +On July 15 2013 02:42 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 02:26 StiMaDDict wrote:
@jkirby: please, stop dodging the subject. Why did you think those 3 were most suspicious at the time your posting and what is your current read on them. Oh, that was the question. Woops. Rainbows & Umasi: I didn't like the way they were hunting stim and arguing over semantics. It's a really weak scumtell, and I had a really weak scumread. What else can you do that early in the game? I only really mentioned it because I was specifically asked, if I recall. I'm still suspicious of sponge for the way he reacted to that "unposted" writing drama. I think he's the next filter I'll dive. Also, I looked through rainbow's filter, and after that early stim back and forth, miscommunicating stuff, he seems to have a clearer townish filter. On July 15 2013 03:27 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 02:51 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 02:48 jrkirby wrote:On July 15 2013 02:38 Chromatically wrote:
Well, what information did you get from it? We got that he claims to have a post that he would've posted on the condition that he's scum, but he won't post it. He clearly admitted it. And there's an obvious scum reasoning behind that: He didn't actually have something to post, because he IS scum. That isn't to say there isn't neutral motivations, as he already posted one. We also got to see how he defends himself. Apparently he does it in a calm rational manner, and provides clear (if somewhat dubious) reasoning for his actions. If you don't have anything new to ask me, I'm going to read his filter now. So it sounds like you got a scummy feel from the situation. However, you never show any signs of this. Why wouldn't you pressure vote him? Why wouldn't you keep pressuring him? Why wouldn't you ask others for reads on him?These are all things that townies would do to develop and push their reads, but you never show any interest in Sponge after this. You show no signs at all that you actually care about Sponge's alignment. It actually might have been a good idea for me to put a pressure vote on him. I'm not the greatest player, but that sounds like that would've been a good idea. Too bad I didn't think of that earlier. I didn't keep pressuring him because I didn't have anything to pressure him on. I guess I should've asked for others' reads on him too. This is all good advice, wish I had thought of it earlier myself. Thanks. My current view on Hurricane: I think hes scum, but a very bad day one lynch. Reasoning: 1) He claims he wanted stim to act all angry. I personally disagree, and I think angry players are as bad for town as lurkers. 2) He votes against me, the only person really putting any pressure on him at all. This is only after I already have two votes, as well. 3) His refusal to post something about this mafia game that I asked him to. I don't think he'd make a good day one lynch, because he's a logical rational player who writes well. If I am wrong about him, he'd make a good ally on the town team. I want you to read his case on Gotard. Then read all the "cases" superflous made. Then I want you to read the response of Kirby to Godart. This is good stuff. + Show Spoiler +On July 15 2013 03:37 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:08 Gotard wrote:On July 15 2013 02:03 jrkirby wrote:Gotard is really sheeping with his vote on me. In one post, he says I "confuse him a little" before anyone has voted me. Then he votes me saying: Jrkirby looks like a better lynch than Superfluous right now. What? You think that you can just sheep me because of the two biggest bandwagons, you like this one better? You think you don't need to do anything, and it's just fine to jump on whatever BW you see fit? Because that is NOT ok. You better pick up your play, because that is scum. He reiterates a couple of things other people have said, and doesn't even get all of it, and misinterprets even basic things: His post claiming that hzflank is mafia was awkward and then he defended himself saying that it was only a joke/pressure combo. That was like the third post of the day, and I was quoting things that happened before the game even started. If you thought there was a chance that it was completely serious, then you weren't paying much attention. On top of that, he's barely posted, hasn't posted an original scumread, and has pressured no one. Guys, I think we found scum. Vote: Gotard Since the majority of votes is required to lynch someone you need to jump on wagons or make really strong case for other to follow and some people are just better than me at doing that. What do you mean by saying "You think you don't need to do anything, and it's just fine to jump on whatever BW you see fit". You can say stuff like that about 50% of the players in this game... And this bandwagon of course fits me because I find you scummy. "That was like the third post of the day, and I was quoting things that happened before the game even started. If you thought there was a chance that it was completely serious, then you weren't paying much attention.". Then what was the point of that post? To confuse people? To make fake content? I don't see how that post was pro town in any way. It was simply useless. "On top of that, he's barely posted, hasn't posted an original scumread, and has pressured no one.". It's hard to post "original scumread" when you are in EU timezone and game is the most active when you sleep. Do you want me to talk to myself? rotfl. (That was a little scummy excuse T_T). I do what I can do which is more passive play. These are just excuses. Read filters, hunt scum. Don't look for where the votes are, reiterate what everyone else has said, and then vote the same way. below more good stuff from kirby. Even if you don't agree with him, it is better than anything I read from Super + Show Spoiler +On July 15 2013 02:36 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 02:28 Chromatically wrote:He gives this as the purpose for the posts: It was to see his reaction, and judge whether he was telling the truth. Well what has he gotten? Nothing! His read on Sponge was totally unaffected. He was pressuring Sponge for no reason, which is scum. What? Pressuring someone with no reason at the beginning of day 1 is scum? Why? It only gets town more information. If done properly (maybe better than I can do it) on a poor player (maybe a player worse than Sponge) who is actually just so happens to be scum, then you'll be able to get a very good scumread. Just because I wasn't successful with flying colors doesn't mean that a) we didn't get any information, or b) it was scummy. On July 15 2013 02:25 jrkirby wrote:Xzavier also looks scummy to me. While he hasn't voted yet, he did say: Soon after it's clear we both have a BW on us. Pretty much sheeping to me. And it's only a couple hours for the deadline, so I wouldn't be surprised if he BW's someone without much discussion or reason. Also most of his posts have been about his schedule, instead of about the game. If THAT isn't fluff, what is? Then lastly. Kirby said 2 times he is very good at seeing voting patterns, he says that this is his best skillset. What is Superflous his best skillset? Giving random Cop facts? + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2013 10:32 jrkirby wrote:Honestly? I have real trouble seeing scum until I see voting patterns. I'm slightly more suspicious of Sponge, Umasi, and Rainbows than the rest. Sponge I've stated my reasons for. I don't really trust my read on Rainbows because [meta here] I thought he was scum last time I played with him and he wasn't. Umasi just reads a bit ornery, so that could be the reason for my weak read. My vote on hzflank was kinda a combo of joke/pressure as you guys pointed out. It got a bit of discussion, but didn't get much of a rise out of hzflank, who I currently have null read on. I guess I should unvote him now, since the pressure obviously didn't do too much. ##unvote: hzflank Read Kirby his filter. If you want to safe 1 of these 2 guys? It must be kirby.
This means nothing guys?
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Ok I rest my case. Meh. I am not good at this style. Just looking like a fool it seems.
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On July 15 2013 08:45 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 08:45 Chromatically wrote:
I was pretty sure that they were both scum, butI have doubts that scum Koshi would be hard defending scum Kirby as much as he just did. Those preflip associations, man.
Again why you should fucking save Kirby.
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