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On July 18 2013 03:17 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
For the record, someone like Alakaslam is exactly who I was trying to draw out by deferring my defense for so long.
Yeah, after telling scum it was a trap. I immediately knew to expect town votes only in there.
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On July 18 2013 03:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 03:23 Alakaslam wrote:On July 18 2013 03:17 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
For the record, someone like Alakaslam is exactly who I was trying to draw out by deferring my defense for so long. Meta again, you & Onegu switch places now I don't give a crap about don't use meta it is all I'm remotely good at You think you're good at using meta? By your logic, if I do ANYTHING differently this game from last game, I am scum. Is this correct?
This is one of the leaps I was talking about. I hadn't let this on yet, this is a fallacious argument. It is a straw man.
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On July 18 2013 03:27 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 03:26 Alakaslam wrote:
Ebwop 2 of my posts up
In other words why not Hzflank? He voted you too and was the only other one who then switched his vote, causing me to be solo His vote on me was a play. He practically had to spell it out for me (by requesting I go back and read a specific page-set with a clear head). He was fake-supporting Onegu's pressure so scum wouldn't feel exposed when they tried to hop on. hz even says that Onegu's case is weak in another post.
Was trying to get you to see what I thought obvious but will now state: "if anyone could see that, why do you think the 'trap' will actually catch scum?"
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On July 18 2013 03:33 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
And there goes the ninja voteswap. Alakaslam is panicking now.
I voted a good while before you noticed!
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On July 18 2013 04:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 04:22 Alakaslam wrote:On July 15 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 07:19 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon.I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Elaborate on this if you can, hz. Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it. The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral. Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better: On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. & like I said this makes no sense. These three scummiest in the game? What about jkirby & superfluous? Righto, Svengali. Wide eyes, mesmerized, ain't he clever? Righto, Svengali! Obviously I felt the two candidates were scummier. Don't take your deficient reading comprehension out on me. Don't ask me to? This was all I was going to allow myself, I thought if I defended I would only give a very capable scum player more ammo to lynch me with. I was refusing to do anything but paint you red so after my flip itd be more likely to mirror XLIII Onegu where is your case on me for sayin it twice now? And the fact that you thought these isn't the point, that would just be captain hindsight. It would just mean you liked the idea that there were very likely 5 scum in the game. No, it means that the people who I trusted the least were on one bandwagon compared to people I trusted more on another. I can't believe you've never explored this avenue of logic. It's pretty intuitive. Well I didn't, so lynch me. Don't expect town victory by that avenue. This has nothing to do with my meta ideas though This is just tunnel coming from trying to express that somehow So take with salt
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On July 18 2013 14:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 14:36 Alakaslam wrote:On July 18 2013 03:27 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 18 2013 03:26 Alakaslam wrote:
Ebwop 2 of my posts up
In other words why not Hzflank? He voted you too and was the only other one who then switched his vote, causing me to be solo His vote on me was a play. He practically had to spell it out for me (by requesting I go back and read a specific page-set with a clear head). He was fake-supporting Onegu's pressure so scum wouldn't feel exposed when they tried to hop on. hz even says that Onegu's case is weak in another post. Was trying to get you to see what I thought obvious but will now state: "if anyone could see that, why do you think the 'trap' will actually catch scum?" Because they couldn't resist. If I was the only one under pressure (and willfully not defending myself) it begs people to pile on. Then we could see who did it without proper analysis. And then we'd have our scum!
Have you ever played scum? Even I was smart enough not to do something like that. If you were party we would have lol'ed and nk's you. I didn't want to say that until i was out of that game though, oats is still playin it. We were not really all that into mislynch ing powerful players (not that we knew they were powerful yet) but seriously, how stupid you take me for? No, I voted fairly fearlessly as town convinced by Onegu and thinking the gambit ploy was a possible implication of hz, I thought it was buying time or defense and for some reason didnt realize it could be a gambit to implicate anyone who voted you but that just turns into WIFOM.
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On July 18 2013 14:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 14:42 Alakaslam wrote:On July 18 2013 04:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 18 2013 04:22 Alakaslam wrote:On July 15 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 07:19 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon.I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Elaborate on this if you can, hz. Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it. The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral. Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better: On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. & like I said this makes no sense. These three scummiest in the game? What about jkirby & superfluous? Righto, Svengali. Wide eyes, mesmerized, ain't he clever? Righto, Svengali! Obviously I felt the two candidates were scummier. Don't take your deficient reading comprehension out on me. Don't ask me to? This was all I was going to allow myself, I thought if I defended I would only give a very capable scum player more ammo to lynch me with. I was refusing to do anything but paint you red so after my flip itd be more likely to mirror XLIII Onegu where is your case on me for sayin it twice now? And the fact that you thought these isn't the point, that would just be captain hindsight. It would just mean you liked the idea that there were very likely 5 scum in the game. No, it means that the people who I trusted the least were on one bandwagon compared to people I trusted more on another. I can't believe you've never explored this avenue of logic. It's pretty intuitive. Well I didn't, so lynch me. Don't expect town victory by that avenue. This has nothing to do with my meta ideas though This is just tunnel coming from trying to express that somehow So take with salt What's that mean? "I'm going to call you scum, but don't defend it because I said it might be wrong, I dunno" What reaction were you trying to get by posting that?
Nothing. I was simply complying.
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On July 18 2013 14:48 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 14:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 18 2013 14:42 Alakaslam wrote:On July 18 2013 04:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 18 2013 04:22 Alakaslam wrote:On July 15 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 07:19 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 06:47 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon.I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing. Elaborate on this if you can, hz. Gotard is scummy. Stim is still at least in the top 5 of my scum list. Nightcat is a lurker who just randomly added his vote. Chrom is neutral at best. At best that wagon has 2 scummy, 2 neutral and 2 townie players on it. The other wagon has Umasi, who I think is townie. Xzavier who is neutral (too much lurking, his posts are not good enough to make up for that that much lurking) and Koshi. Some other people have been calling Koshi scum recently, but I have him as neutral. Mmmmmmmmm nope. I like Chrom's answer better: On July 15 2013 05:48 Chromatically wrote:
The three scummiest people in the game (Kirby, Koshi, Xzav) are on the Super wagon. & like I said this makes no sense. These three scummiest in the game? What about jkirby & superfluous? Righto, Svengali. Wide eyes, mesmerized, ain't he clever? Righto, Svengali! Obviously I felt the two candidates were scummier. Don't take your deficient reading comprehension out on me. Don't ask me to? This was all I was going to allow myself, I thought if I defended I would only give a very capable scum player more ammo to lynch me with. I was refusing to do anything but paint you red so after my flip itd be more likely to mirror XLIII Onegu where is your case on me for sayin it twice now? And the fact that you thought these isn't the point, that would just be captain hindsight. It would just mean you liked the idea that there were very likely 5 scum in the game. No, it means that the people who I trusted the least were on one bandwagon compared to people I trusted more on another. I can't believe you've never explored this avenue of logic. It's pretty intuitive. Well I didn't, so lynch me. Don't expect town victory by that avenue. This has nothing to do with my meta ideas though This is just tunnel coming from trying to express that somehow So take with salt What's that mean? "I'm going to call you scum, but don't defend it because I said it might be wrong, I dunno" What reaction were you trying to get by posting that? Nothing. I was simply complying. wait I see what you meant- I fucked up my replies are in the green sorry
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On July 18 2013 04:33 Hurricane Sponge wrote:So, I think this might be relevant. Alakaslam says Super is a town read to him: Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 04:16 Alakaslam wrote:On July 18 2013 04:12 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
@Alakaslam
What do you think of Superfluous? Town ish but why is he gone. Let me look you up or I will wind up not answering you Townish! Well, that's certainly surprising. Ah well, but Alakaslam is full of surprises. It probably is just an isolated incident. A bad read based off some misunderstanding... Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 13:54 cloud-9 wrote:On July 14 2013 13:31 Chromatically wrote:I just reread hz's case, and I really don't like it. He calls out a lot of things that aren't actually scummy. Look at the summary:
To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be
1) Stay Alive
2) Find a person to vote for
3) Find justifications for voting
This is literally a list of objectives as either alignment. Town obviously wants to stay alive. Finding a person to vote for with reasoning is also town. The difference between the alignments is that town want to find scum, and mafia doesn't actually want to. Super looks like he's honestly trying to find scum. I agree that these objectives can belong to either alighnment and it is my intuition at this present moment that super is being earnest in his attempts to find scum. .... Oh my...
First thing I did was disagree with super on that. You must be misrepresenting something here. I read his filter and it struck me town, genuinely.
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On July 18 2013 14:49 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
You know that none of this is my actual case on you, right? Have you found my formal post accusing you of being scum?
Not yet but it built it.
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On July 18 2013 05:04 Hurricane Sponge wrote:May as well make the cases for all of them while I'm here (I'll be out for the deadline starting at 5:30pm Eastern USA time, which shouldn't be a problem since the hz plan calls for us to lock our votes in an hour ahead of time): Alakaslam: Jumped into the trap laid by myself, hz, and (unwittingly) Onegu - Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 03:26 Alakaslam wrote:
Ebwop 2 of my posts up
In other words why not Hzflank? He voted you too and was the only other one who then switched his vote, causing me to be solo Backs off his pressure of me IMMEDIATELY upon figuring out that he has fallen into said trap: Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 03:36 Alakaslam wrote:On July 18 2013 03:33 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
And there goes the ninja voteswap. Alakaslam is panicking now. That happened as soon as I finished the point where I said stop talking about the tribunal because SVENGALI if I was panicked I'd not say that ONEGU COME TUNNEL :D Echoes unfounded support of Super by his predecessor cloud-9 - Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 04:16 Alakaslam wrote:On July 18 2013 04:12 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
@Alakaslam
What do you think of Superfluous? Town ish but why is he gone. Let me look you up or I will wind up not answering you Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 13:54 cloud-9 wrote:On July 14 2013 13:31 Chromatically wrote:I just reread hz's case, and I really don't like it. He calls out a lot of things that aren't actually scummy. Look at the summary:
To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be
1) Stay Alive
2) Find a person to vote for
3) Find justifications for voting
This is literally a list of objectives as either alignment. Town obviously wants to stay alive. Finding a person to vote for with reasoning is also town. The difference between the alignments is that town want to find scum, and mafia doesn't actually want to. Super looks like he's honestly trying to find scum. I agree that these objectives can belong to either alighnment and it is my intuition at this present moment that super is being earnest in his attempts to find scum. Had a scum read on Chrom he never pressured: *QUOTE UNAVAILABLE. NO EVIDENCE OF PRESSURE EVER DETECTED* Unwilling to carry on a conversation. Due to inability to explain his actions? Devolves to 'No U' when not appropriate: Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 03:22 Alakaslam wrote:On July 18 2013 03:13 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 18 2013 03:09 Alakaslam wrote:On July 18 2013 02:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
@Alakaslam
I'm very eager to hear your thoughts on my answers to Onegu's case. I like them, you did quite well. But that isn't why I voted you. Meta meta! Thou art a bombastically assured individual this game, not the hurricane I know*. Then again I have changed some as well. Of course, at this point I am solo voting you**, why do this in majority***? So see the thread. I had already liked a Gotard lynch before****. *: Using meta**: Misrepreseting facts (see: lying)***: WIFOM****: Unwillingness to vote Gotard despite scum readNot a good look, slambro. You are doing much of what you accuse me of in here by doing this Not good look Rofl Declares that I was 'wrong' about what was going on in the scum QT. Not 'he couldn't have known' (as Onegu said). But that I was actually definitively 'wrong' about what was going on there: Show nested quote +On July 17 2013 00:56 Alakaslam wrote:
Oh yeah him being wrong about qt- does this not point to him being null, he could make same mistake town or scum This reaction to the Roleblock: Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 10:32 Alakaslam wrote:On July 16 2013 10:30 Chromatically wrote:
I was roleblocked. Shit (This point continued at the bottom of the page. It's important to set this point up organically, as you will see) Fearful of the Tribunal (a natural scum reaction if they were three townies): Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 00:50 Alakaslam wrote:On July 15 2013 23:52 hzflank wrote:
Just caught up. Initial thoughts:
Chrom and Super are not both scum. That's the only really solid association that I see. Chrom started to heavily defend Super 8 hours before the lynch, and that would never of happened if they were both scum. So to the people who are already making that association I suggest that you think along other lines.
I do not like that whole council thing. It made it too easy to sheep. It was too early in the game for players to have such solid town reads on each other. I almost feel like people tried to put a reverse-sheep on me where I was told I that I should not move my vote (I will vote as I think best, I do not need other people to give me reasons to vote).
First order of business is to be a play by play on the council thing. That whole council shpeil is based on too much NMM XLIII meta anyway. How the hell was that formed day 1... It like begging for Svengali play. Please google Svengali, outside of the context of mafia, if you don't get it. It's a French novel that I haven't read but that I know the gist of. Umasi where is the Chezzy post? Need it buried in a GOOD case (Quick point on the above, neither Umasi and Rainbows were in NMM XLIII. Not sure what he's talking about here) Jarring disparate read on two of the townies townies since Lady Galadritown went town shopping in Townton Abbey: Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 11:51 Alakaslam wrote:
Dude Lose shit meter 100%, in the total opposite fashion to other games. I have LOST IT! I neeeeeeeed to read. If I don't I would tunnel Chrom and Umasi into the dirt even if one flipped town. Gimme a sec! Continuing with the reaction to the roleblock: Show nested quote +On July 16 2013 10:36 Alakaslam wrote:
Appears they ed: (the mafia) may (have a roleblocker). However you may have been jailed too.
Hmm.
I actually don't think jailer should claim if he did, actually I don't know if it was wise to claim this Chrom. I don't know though, how does it help town? Now I want to reference the Night 1 flips. I assumed the SK killed Koshi (scum read) and mafia killed Rainbows (town read to me). I posted with this assumption, and hz jumped down my throat for it. Now remember, Chrom was one of Alakaslam's hardest Scum reads. Why would Alakaslam assume the mafia roleblocked him if he were scum? Wouldn't he assume the Town roleblocked him? ----------------------------------------- The above is my case for Alakaslam being scum.
Reading this is impossible in quotes on my phone. I will have to post it here, read it, and reply below. My phone is jumping all over it as I write and zooming and backin off and writing in odd places etc
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I have replied to a lot of that. A few points down, at "devolves to no u", that is because you were- I had already voted Gotard, that was NOT WIFOM, and so was false post. I forgot that this was happening to both of us.
Aside: nice thing about this exchange is I am beginning to understand town motives for what you put. But please.
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Wrong about scum qt deal is another strawman
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Fearful or scornful of council
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On July 18 2013 15:00 Alakaslam wrote:
Fearful or scornful of council
In fact that has me leaning scum on you again
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On the roleblocked: I had never seen a block claim before, but these are not scummy things. If I was scum I would ignore it really.
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And if town roleblocked Chrom why not say "Shit" in scum qt? This makes me want to lean town on you but it is really WIFOM so it doesn't affect my read.
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What did I think?
I thought he was blue, meaning I had been tunneling blue.
Last post before a reply. Sorry about the spam BH & Angie.....
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On July 18 2013 15:06 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 15:05 Alakaslam wrote:
And if town roleblocked Chrom why not say "Shit" in scum qt? This makes me want to lean town on you but it is really WIFOM so it doesn't affect my read. You're missing a lot of the points entirely. Wouldn't you be happy Chrom was roleblocked if you had a scum read on him?
Not really.
It enforced town reads on him, and you can't roleblock scum KP. That is why scum isn't roleblocked as much I think, but I should read the page where that happened.
Of course, some things are unnatural, such as a massive building. Does that make it an accident?
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On July 18 2013 15:06 Hurricane Sponge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 15:05 Alakaslam wrote:
And if town roleblocked Chrom why not say "Shit" in scum qt? This makes me want to lean town on you but it is really WIFOM so it doesn't affect my read. You're missing a lot of the points entirely. Wouldn't you be happy Chrom was roleblocked if you had a scum read on him?
And, actually, I'm glad I'm missing the points. Enlighten me or pound me? I have given reason to think this could all be a mistake, I have been honest and can be more thorough. Even on the spot even though it was 10 hours ago.
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