EPTOn July 03 2013 00:11 marvellosity wrote:
He is now -.-
He is now -.-
Like....the only thing I can think of is him trying to WIFOM vet or something but ugh.
Basterd Mini Mafia - Page 3
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Like....the only thing I can think of is him trying to WIFOM vet or something but ugh. | ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
No cc means I'm forced to believe it for now. Stutters, I'll get to you in a sec; we should talk. | ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On July 03 2013 00:18 Stutters695 wrote: Any red emphasis is mine Well WoS's most recent post has me thinking he might be scum. I'm literally WoS' only scum-read this game. He jumps on my wagon and sheeps Vivax and Rayn (with his only unique reasoning being that I didn't feel like translating his worthless posts in French because I was phone posting). He twice emphasizes his doubt of my wagon by virtue of four people already being on it. BUT WAIT He literally hasn't taken a stance on anything to this point and waffled on me because the wagon was too easy when thats literally the exact same thing he said my most recent post was scummy for. After that he does his summary thing which shows no real analysis just worthless summaries of what we already know. Worth noting though is he attacks Lazer for saying Vivax is scummy but he still wanted to lynch JJD because Vivax is active and although his tunneling felt scummy it isn't a scumtell of itself. Maybe I'm misinterpreting him, but half his points against Lazer are for using ellipses? Seriously. Also note despite saying he'd lynch him at this point, he doesn't mention Lazer again in his filter. He follows that up with indecisive posts on Vivax and Rayn. Finally his players he wants to look into post: Marv - "I dont know so I'm going to look at him" very helpful Fuba - Says the same thing I and multiple others have said. Notice that, once again, there is no conclusion only observations. Me- Hey a definitive stance! On me again  .Here's why I think this is scummy. First, obviously how non-committal he is while also using that as his sole point against me. Second: Blatant misrepresentation. I still maintain my case on Fuba is pretty damn strong, he still is doing exactly what I laid out. That one is subjective though, whatever. "Never gives the aforementioned reads": This one bugs me. He completely ignores that I agreed with Vivax's case AND provided additional information that helped to secure his lynch pre-claim. Obviously it was wrong and forced a claim which sucks, but that is taking a stance. Notice how he also tries to pin promised reads on me when I said "I will read up on them later." Blatant misrepresentation to strengthen his case. The last part of his post is taken completely out of the context of the thread to make me look worse. I was on the chopping block at that point and would have been mislynched through towns passivity. Vivax had been expressing his disagreement with my Fuba case for hours and we had town reads on each other. I needed to work with someone to find a good lynch to both stop my mislynch and maximize the odds of hitting scum. Posts like this one and Vivax's attacking me are EXACTLY why I wanted to finish my stream of consciousness stuff. People see gaps in my thinking and immediately think I just dropped something because scum---no, it was because oats was bitching at me for posting the way I was so instead I opted just to finish the read silently and post final thoughts. Now let's address your issues Stutters. Whether or not you find a wagon being quick to launch a non-legit reason to consider unvoting doesn't matter to me in the slightest. It bothered me and that's all that mattered; I stand by it. The point being I took a stance on you and called you scum despite the waffling in my thoughts. You did no such thing. Regarding Lazer and JJD---dropped JJD since he claimed in thread and no counterclaim. I also mentioned that I had to read into JJD's games to be sure where I said that I would have voted Lazer, nowhere did I say I'd be voting JJD. I don't mention Lazer again because I stopped the stream of consciousness posting but as I've mentioned if not for Lazer's claim I'd want to lynch him. As for misrepresenting you? I'm not. You were asked for reads on me and Lazer, you never gave them. 'I will give them later' isn't much of an excuse to me when hours had gone by and Lazer and I were up for lynch. I don't see how that's misrepresentation at all. The fact that you're so concerned over your own survival is a scumtell in my opinion---if you were town it would make more sense to have GIVEN the reads you were asked for rather than latch onto Vivax for absolutely everything this game. 'Vivax didn't like my case on Fuba' - switch gears. 'I agreed with Vivax's case,' - sheepy, 'I needed to work with someone to find a good lynch' - scum getting someone else to bail him out. This case on me is a good start in my opinion but it still stinks of Vivax considering the way you mention my 'just dropping' reads is exactly as he did. Give me something on gumshoe, Stutters. Or hell, anything you don't share an opinion on with Vivax. | ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On July 02 2013 15:06 Vivax wrote: WoS wtf is this You feel the need to defend yourself for something I found Vayne to be guilty of? I'll have kinda limited time today, but WoS looks pretty bad to me. As Oats mentioned, his shit is unfocused and I don't really see a townie line of thinking forming from his reads, it's more like he comments on anything that could be construed as scummy, but without drawing conclusions while doing so. Plus, stuff like this gives me the impression he takes a passive stance in the game. "Yeah talk to me if u want lolz else I won't be posting much". WoS is more proactive than this as town. Sure, he was busy and shit, but if this is his new activity, then he can be sure to have my breath in his neck next day. This looks like the kind of "Let me write a ton of shit and fuck off"-activity. Finds a bunch of stuff scummy from one guy (Lazer), doesn't dig further into that guy but heads towards JJD while complaining about the miller discussion, then calls my post scummy. In his final posts he mentions people he wants to look into, effectively leaving all his previous "analysis" inconcluded, then adds some more points against stutters. No sign of Lazer, who he said he would be voting for that post, or me, posting something that "screams" to WoS. Or JJD for that matter. All the scummy stuff he found but still no intention to show how the concerned people are scummy, only the intention to write a load of stuff. Anyhow, will probably be back around deadline. Thinking about Vivax actually made me want to take a second look at this. He tears my posts up (and rightfully so I suppose; they were done in haste and I didn't get to finish the way I wanted to) but it's the way he does it. Again, uses the fact that I dropped the stream of consciousness method against me (saying I just dropped my read on Lazer) and completely dismisses my request for an explanation from him regarding that worthless baiting post. He also finds the need to pick out my defending myself for stuff he says he found Vayne guilty of when he was was essentially willing to vote me for the exact same thing. And guess what happened to Vayne? It looks like shit and his refusal to address it properly bothers me. Vivax you're welcome to breathe down my neck all you like as long as I'm around, but I won't put up with you attacking people based on activity alone. Come at me and let's talk. | ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
He echoes Vivax's sentiments in many ways and to me it looks more likely to come from scum with weak reads/no good reads of his own. | ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
| ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On July 03 2013 01:12 marvellosity wrote: Maybe, but I see townies blatantly sheeping on to people all the time (more than mafia I'd say) for good or bad. e.g. for whatever reason Vivax just blindly sheeped BlazingHand (who was scum) d1 in...er... The Game, Baker did the same to SMMccoy in Smurf, players like fuba/Clarity_nl sometimes just blatantly sheep on to me. Also this is a PM from a friend recently: I understand what you're getting at, I'm just struggling to see why it's so different from how townies often go about doing similar. It wasn't the Game, it was Carnival Cruise, and FUCK that blind sheeping pissed me off. Maybe I'm biased here because I know I'd personally never play that way as town, and I could very easily see Stutters needing to do something like this in his first scum game (lack of confidence or what-have-you). Marv what are your current thoughts regarding Lazer? | ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On July 03 2013 01:17 marvellosity wrote: I'm currently thinking that I hope the Lazer situation resolves itself overnight. I'm not sure how you think this would happen. Stutters have you really never been mislynched? I'm trying to think of games we've been in together and I know you're under the gun pretty often for your activity and such. I'm willing to accept your explanation regarding Vivax as it does seem to fit but as I said earlier I'd like to see something new from you that doesn't seem to echo his sentiments, and since he's not here apparently, this would be the perfect time. What are your thoughts regarding Lazer or gumshoe currently? Do you still feel the same way about Fuba? | ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On July 02 2013 18:29 marvellosity wrote: Hi guys. How much do you think random townie name claims are worth? Was running through my head around a bit last night, and I'm basically kinda assuming scum got at least some fakeclaims. On July 02 2013 19:40 marvellosity wrote: Actually it says "The following characters may be in the game" which is not quite the same thing. The reason would be to prevent massclaiming potentially breaking the game  | ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
I consider all possibilities and yes it's possible he's miller and he just happened not to bother claiming the name at that point (or at any point after that) but then again, why the weak resisting? Either way D2 is going to be very interesting. I won't be around from a little before deadline to a few hours after at which point I'll be pretty active (assuming da guy goes to sleep) so if you guys want to wait and claim then, great. Otherwise you're going to have to wait for mine. | ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On July 03 2013 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv, do you believe Lazer's claim is legit? On July 03 2013 01:17 marvellosity wrote: I'm currently thinking that I hope the Lazer situation resolves itself overnight. This was the answer I got from him when i asked basically the same thing. Rayn do you still think marv is town? | ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On July 03 2013 02:18 gumshoe wrote: Dont you think that if someone was actually miller they would have claimed by now? So you think marv is lying then. | ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On July 03 2013 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's bad. It's gonna be LYLO D3 assuming worst case scenario and there are always people who are hesitant to lynch claimed blues. Also the fact that if he checks whoever N1 and claims roleblocked N2 he can't have any info on D3 and that's not even alignment indicative. Personally I'm inclined to believe the claim because scum are likely to treat a claimed cop exactly as you just mentioned (having undergone the same treatment in The Game - and then scum tried to get me lynched anyway because they hid their RB D1 and RBed me eery subsequent day after that and said I was lying). It kind of sucks though because if not for that claim I'd be all over lynching Lazer due to his gameplay. | ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
You call Rayn scum for not trusting the cop claim but then you call Lazer scum? | ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
| ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
I reacted the same way when DP claimed it in CC and was grilled for it, but I believed his claim because of how he acted regarding it. Marv has not acted in this same way and been as absolutely transparent about his claim as he could have been (which imo should be expected if you claim miller and expect not to be lynched). It seems to me that marv expects to skate by on his claim because he's marv, and he's been successful so far. We'll definitely see what D2 brings regarding all of this though. By the way Rayn according to your above explanation why can't either of their claims be real? Especially Lazer's imo? | ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On July 03 2013 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: as i do not think there are 3 blues, and gumshoe can't know if there is another one. Lazer could be town due to his claim but that does not change the fact that marv should not doubt his claim. Ok you answered my question. | ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On July 03 2013 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I assume there are not 3 town blues. If gumshoe is vigilante, he can't know if Lazer's claim is legit or not. However, gumshoe, if you are a vig, shoot marv. Why would you assume that? Do you think it's fair for there to be the possibility of millers and D2 MYLO if we only get 2 blue roles? | ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
| ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On July 03 2013 03:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS do you want to claim miller? No, I'm not miller. I was wondering if people were going to ask me that since I suppose my recent posts could be seen as hinting towards it. | ||
| ||
