EPTIf not...happy to sit and replace either a player or a nuke that goes missing.
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On July 07 2013 07:05 geript wrote: Dandel, why do you nuke me with the first post instead of even trying to divine my alignment? Why take an easy potshot like that? Why even pretend to nuke when we don't even know if nukes have to be posted in the thread? On July 07 2013 07:07 geript wrote: Yo Dandel. I already asked you why fake nuke? Don't fucking do that shit. It's quite possible other teams 3P/Scum don't have to post their nukes in the thread and then that just fucks shit up of the rest of us. STOP 'splain please | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:23 geript wrote: In Hydra 2 nukes could be pm'd to the host to be sent without having been posted in the thread. Had scum noticed they would've nuked Fivetouch when Palmar/DP fake nuked them. I didn't see anything requiring nukes be posted in the thread in the OP so there's no reason to fake nuke as it can really fuck up town if a hidden nuke is launched off of a fake nuke. maaaaaan. That's a way better explanation than "I wanted to sound like I was saying something protown but got a little tripped up and just spoke nonsense." Also, still kinda nonsense, cuz lol who would ever nuke fivetouch. His reads are worse than my herpes flareups. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: vayne try to make some sense if you are town. This is the fucking worst nuke of the century. On July 07 2013 09:26 VayneAuthority wrote: This was actually an original thought posted in thread on that page.It's probably a bad idea to do the fake nukes as it narrows down for scum who actually has a nuke when your fake nuke doesn't work. However, his other post was nonsensical, that's true. At least that's my opinion, which is probably wrong. Also, as a note, now that we've seen a nuke. If you think you know all sorts of stuff about the nukes in this game, you're probably horribly, horribly wrong. Game themed around nukes. OP mentions different types of nukes, multi-nukers, and we could easily see dud nukes/nuke retargeters/silent nukes/whatever. You can't freak out because chez shot a nuke, that's...sort of what this game is about. Nor do you know if it will land, or where, or anything. So knock it off with the caps and the freaking out. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ^ Nobody listen to this. This is what loses town high kp games. People need to sit back and chill the fuck out. Xat is most likely dead, now lets not do anything rash. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Right now I pretty much just hate this thread. I'm reading it, but not fully processing it, because a lot of it has nothing to do with anything and I wish people would quit posting so much. The post-chez stuff is shitting up the thread but doing so in a very obvious and very...wrong way. If he's scum and just trying to get chez nuked, that seems silly AND is going to put a target on his head if chez were town (OMG CHEZ NUKED TOWN, NUKE CHEZ, OMG CHEZ WAS TOWN....NUKE ME?). Congratulations, you may be the dumbest person currently playing this game. You're also easily the scummiest. You start off super defensive, then proceed to shit up the thread with a dumb argument and then go after chez who is a pretty easy (but incredibly bad) target since he launched a nuke. Then you omgus. I'd be down a for a rayn lynch. Dandel, wos, austin, geript lets get some input here. Therefore, I don't want to lynch him right now. But I also don't want to read filter at this point because he's been involved in all this early silliness. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: You'll notice that at no point in the OP does it say ANYONE has silent nukes. You'll notice that it doesn't say "scum has silent nukes and town doesn't." Xata, because if he did not announce it in thread it was "sure" to be scum nuke and someone would anti-nuke it if possible. If he does announce it, everyone goes: "why the fuck would he nuke if he was scum??. THAT*S WHY"! You are assuming both of those things to be true and then using those assumptions to justify something. You may be assuming that because one/both of those things were true in another game, but this game is not that game. Stop. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:56 austinmcc wrote: Does this make sense, MZ? If he were scum, he's either trying to sac chez for credit or he's trying to get someone to nuke town chez for nuking town xat. (Or both are scum and then rayn wouldn't be doing this probs, because he'd look bad/odd when xat flipped)The post-chez stuff is shitting up the thread but doing so in a very obvious and very...wrong way. If he's scum and just trying to get chez nuked, that seems silly AND is going to put a target on his head if chez were town (OMG CHEZ NUKED TOWN, NUKE CHEZ, OMG CHEZ WAS TOWN....NUKE ME?). Therefore, I don't want to lynch him right now. What, specifically, are you seeing in terms of him going from defensive --> shitting, and why does it give you a scumread? | ||
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On July 08 2013 04:34 Onegu wrote: I'ma interested in this.Just the way he admited he launched it but didnt explain why gives me a really big scum vibe Had he explained himself (also, he more or less did - + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 09:20 Chezinu wrote: Chezinu Rulez! So don't break Chezinu's Rule. ##Nuke: Xatalos xat fakenuked chez, chez nuked xat back If it's not just giving an explanation, but the actual explanation given, can you give me 1-2 examples of a townie explanation for a nuke and a scummy explanation for a nuke? | ||
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On July 07 2013 10:19 austinmcc wrote: Does this make sense, MZ? If he were scum, he's either trying to sac chez for credit or he's trying to get someone to nuke town chez for nuking town xat. (Or both are scum and then rayn wouldn't be doing this probs, because he'd look bad/odd when xat flipped) What, specifically, are you seeing in terms of him going from defensive --> shitting, and why does it give you a scumread? Even in your big list post, you drop "lolscum" as your only reasoning. | ||
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On July 08 2013 05:51 Xatalos wrote: What is my town meta? More specifically, my town meta in a large game?I'll go ahead and vote austinmcc now. ##Vote austinmcc He's been basically just asking (filler) questions and not scumhunting or showing effort so far. At least he's less lurky than in PTP, but that's not a hard feat, and it's still not even close to how I remember his townie self. Just comparing his town meta to this game (or PTP) makes it feel like he has to be scum or 3rd party etc. I didn't push this stance hard enough in PTP, but I'm not going to repeat the same mistake now - unless he starts appearing townish ASAP. geript, you still want to lynch WoS or whom? Also, do you have interest in the answers to the questions that I have asked, but have not gotten answers to? | ||
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On July 08 2013 05:57 geript wrote: Why do you care more about your town meta than scum hunting? On July 08 2013 05:51 Xatalos wrote: Mainly because I've not been saying anything, but been seeing a couple posts saying I'm not playing like my normal town self. Add the vote and his reasoning for it, and I care about the answers to the questions I asked, given the bolded bit.I'll go ahead and vote austinmcc now. ##Vote austinmcc He's been basically just asking (filler) questions and not scumhunting or showing effort so far. At least he's less lurky than in PTP, but that's not a hard feat, and it's still not even close to how I remember his townie self. Just comparing his town meta to this game (or PTP) makes it feel like he has to be scum or 3rd party etc. I didn't push this stance hard enough in PTP, but I'm not going to repeat the same mistake now - unless he starts appearing townish ASAP. geript, you still want to lynch WoS or whom? | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Right now?Austin can you say something that helps us finding scum? Super active people need to stop posting so much. AMG THAT'S NOT SCUMHUNTING? Nope. Posting so much makes scumhunting harder, makes it more likely people will skim over important things, allows scum to hide, makes people who aren't contributing feel like they don't need to because other people are doing the work. If you guys calm down a little, finding scum will be easier. Other than that, I can't tell you anything at the moment, I don't think. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:06 Xatalos wrote: As far as I can tell, you gave three reasons for thinking I'm scummy.Paranoia Mafia. That's the only game where we've played together as town so far, I think. Actually I suspected you there for some time (role-related stuff) but I didn't think your overall posting was scummy. In fact, I mentioned at several points how townish your posting was, and ultimately I came to the right and simple conclusion that you were indeed town. I can't say I get any of that same feeling in this game so far though. What does your last sentence mean? I'm basically just asking filler questions I'm not scumhunting/putting in effort I am not my townie self/I am not playing in accordance with my town meta My last sentence is in relation to your first reason for thinking I'm scum. If my questions are filler, they don't matter, and I'm not going anywhere with them. However, if you're actually interested in the answers to my questions, then they don't seem like they are filler. If you're not interested in the answers to my questions, I ... I dunno, I think you should be. As far as meta, go look at any larger game. Especially a larger game where I don't know 1/2 or 2/3 the people. My play in a single medium-size game, where I was blue, and almost got lynched because I was an idiot, doesn't seem like the perfect point of comparison. Or go look at my scum games. I was interested in what exactly you were pulling meta from, seeing as it appears to be a large part of your reason for voting me. That's it, was just poking at your reasons for voting me. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:05 geript wrote: (1) We don't know if he's dead or not (He claims to be able to survive some nukes, we don't know whether nuke is real, we don't know if nuke kills even if he wasn't special, etc. etc.But he's a dead man walking, why do you care about his reasoning about thinking you're scum? Do you think he's scum? Plus, since he's got a nuke headed towards him why are you more concerned with his thoughts on you being anti-town versus actually trying to find other scum? (2) Even if he's dead, at least the two of you, and I think just a couple others, have said I don't look like myself. I'm interested in why, and he was the most forthcoming about his reasons here, rather than just "AMG SIMILAR TO PTP THAT JUST HAPPENED." | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: There isn't a reason not to lynch him eventually, based on his play so far.xata, austin, and geript shut up for a second and tell me why we shouldn't lynch dandel On July 08 2013 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think that his filter is full of junk. His playful posts in the beginning add nothing. He's very, very ... accusatory/bristly, when I don't see a need for him to be. That's a characteristic to compare to past games. Early post towards you, later post towards johnny, just really being antagonistic when there's no reason. Beyond those, he's chimed in on a couple things but either after others have said the same thing, or with chiming that doesn't actually do anything/go anywhere. He don't look groovy.Austin what do you think of ON? Can you give me one good reason why Chezinu would as town nuke Xatalos? Yes. Xat fakenuked Chez. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:31 Xatalos wrote: Okeedoke. Those are much better reasons, imo.Well, I did play with you in Paranoia (you were town) and PTP (you were scum). Your current play just seems closer to PTP, and that's my main reason for voting you. Your questions aren't really uninteresting in themself, but your way of posting them feels... uninterested I guess. You've just posted a series of questions here and there, but it's not making any kind of impact on the thread and you're not following up on them in any way. I'm not sure if you've even been answered to any of them? Doesn't look like it, just looking at your filter... There's no sense of discussion, drawing conclusions or anything, just some random questions thrown at the thread and then forgotten / not made use of. Also this post feels wrong. Weird complaining about the state of the thread, yet not doing anything about it or basically doing *anything* useful in the thread yourself. No, I haven't followed up. I reasked MZ, but he seems to be non-scummy on rayn at this point. So...question sorta answered. If he really pushed at scum rayn, I was going to find that scummy from him, because I didn't see his angle at all really in light of rayn's total posting. That may not matter depending on these nukes. Following up with some other stuff needs to wait. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: You asked if I could see Areason. You didn't ask for a good one. But he gave a reason, and that's what it was.Austin: Are you seriously saying that is a good reason to nuke Xata? Like, why? As far as whether it's a good or bad reason, I don't care. His reasoning behind the nuke, IF THERE IS A NUKE, isn't telling on his alignment to me. I assume the fuel that powers that nuke's flight is fun, not scumhunting/fake scumhunting, and that it would be fun for either alignment of chez to fire off the "revenge" nuke. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:47 Xatalos wrote: I need to wait for contribution in some cases because it's the answer/thought process itself that's more important to me than anything else someone has posted. Or, at least, that's the case with Onegu.Why do you need to wait for contribution.......? That's just a scummy/lazy/reactive approach instead of a townish/contributive/proactive approach. If you want me to unvote you, at least give some valid reason to do that. Also, yes. My play so far has been lazy/reactive. But as of right now, I'm doing what I'm doing. Also also, if you don't die, I have determined that you are town. Huzzah! | ||
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To the extent you're arguing that DI began the game with faux-trolliness (which is how I read your take on DI's early posts), he's saying if DI is going to fake his town game, he would also be faking trolly/disruptive posts throughout D1. As in, "If this were scumDI, putting on a troll show for his natural town predators who would want to lynch not-trolly DI, then why isn't scumDI continuing to be trolly, when it would be so easy?" I think. | ||
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On July 08 2013 07:24 austinmcc wrote: All you said previously was:MZ, can you be slightly more in-depth on your ON read, including, but not limited to, whether you guys still agree on things? On July 08 2013 03:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: OriginalName: This one’s making a lot of sense/agreeing with me on the right things. Verdict: Probably Town | ||
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On July 08 2013 08:41 Alakaslam wrote: His case feels a little weak:And finally, Mepak_ziph makes a good enough case against Raynpelikoneet that I am down for his lynch today. On July 08 2013 05:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: austin, geript, xata, and anyone else who asked me a question, I'm still here. I was trying to write a case on rayn but I was finally forced to admit that stupidity is not a scumtell and there's really no logical evidence yet that he's scum. I am in no way certain he's town, but right now I can't in good faith write a case on him that would convince me if I was an objective observer. Perhaps in a day things will clear up but for now he's null. I'm gonna go answer your questions now. | ||
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On July 08 2013 09:02 Alakaslam wrote: Which exchanges in particular had you scummy on rayn/what posts pull you back the other way? I don't care oodles and oodles about changed minds, but it helps to actually know where your mind was and is.Vote is based on the exchanges they had too. However I now conclude that rayn is just bad at defending. He has genuinely contributed pretty good info (just took a stroll through his filter). So even though it looks a little scummy to some types to act wishy washy like this I lift this vote. | ||
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On July 08 2013 09:19 Alakaslam wrote: Hmmmm. I guess what I'm asking is...you say that your vote is based upon MZ/rayn exchanges, that rayn has contributed good info, and that reading rayn's filter made you townier on him.Well, one is not reading total and complete filters, and seeing that M_Z quoted stuff rayn was saying, I forgot that I was seeing one side mostly. Reading rayn's filter absolved that. I know it is simplistic and bad but it is true. This game is a normal sized game, so there are a lot of filters to see but a lot of them are empty. So no info. Then those filters that do have something already have 4-6 pages! So I tried to get an idea quick but really I should just be working. Keep up the questions, I want to be guided on what to look for. I will still look or stuff on my own of course. Also: everything TL I do from my iPhone except in very rare cases. A lot of times I try to put "of". For whatever reason it has been correcting this to "I". So anywhere that of would make more sense than I you are probably right. Which tells us what you think about rayn, to some extent. But ... I need you to go a level deeper. Is there a particular rayn/MZ exchange, set of posts, something, that gave you a scummy vibe on rayn? A specific topic where rayn's thoughts were scummy to you? What's the single best piece of info rayn has contributed? Is there a particular post or two in rayn's filter that made you townie on him? It would really help if you dive a level deeper on your comments about rayn, because it's difficult to see where your posts are coming from if you stay at the "reading rayn's filter absolved that" level. | ||
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On July 08 2013 09:18 Z-BosoN wrote: RAWR. I AM THE MILD TASTE TACITURN.austinmcc , you have neither said hi to me nor have you called me scum. This goes against your "hurray" townie attitude I am accustomed with, and sets a mild taste taciturn and shady mood, tempered with a bit of shadyness and prejudice, when I think of you. Has time withered your love for me away? Or are there.... "other" reasons... ? Welcome to thread. Maybe I'll get to call you scum later. For now, when you finish reading through things and give some general thoughts, please give OriginalName a read in particular, and let me know what flavor his filter would be if all our filters were Jell-O Instant Pudding | ||
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I'm still hoping this game has medic nukes and DT nukes and whatnot. | ||
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On July 08 2013 09:58 Ace wrote: The never-wrong poemhunter.com says this checks out.rayne comes from the sky Rain, Rain, Rain, come again and again, In the winter, in the summer and in spring, Come with joy, fall with happiness and go with sorrow, Rain, Rain, Rain come again and again. also dont think he is scummy. | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:55 Xatalos wrote: If Ace is scum and we don't have one super mega leading candidate because of good case/trustable check/etc. etc., why would he advocate no-lynching?Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak). I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy. Given the lack of clear target, scum could easily push a lynch onto a townie with a small amount of work and like...two or three votes max probably. Because it's just plurality lynch and is currently dis-organized, there's no reason for scum to try for a "no-lynch" when they could get a lynch on a townie. Moreover, I don't read Ace's post as pushing for a no-lynch.
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On July 08 2013 22:51 Z-BosoN wrote: As long as I'm posting that, I'll address this.austin, I don't think you can get away with justifying your play here with a "go look at my town meta in a larger game". Here's your filter from Liquid City: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260&user=austinmcc You seemed a ton more interested in the game. Here the only part where I felt you interested is when you were defending yourself. Can you give me something on Alaskaslam? You had some interaction with him, and I'd like to know your opinion on him atm. Go read my filter, or the D1 there. If you remember, marv and others wanted to lynch me, and at some point like 3/4 of the way through D1 I picked up a couple votes with a few others thinking about voting me if I didn't get back and do something. I came back to the thread with a couple hours to go in D1. Posted a bunch of stuff. Most of it was wrong, but i DID nail scumNode and almost got him lynched before we all swapped off. I actually didn't do much D1 of that game until the last few hours, got called out for it, and got in some decent posting only at the very end of the day. As far as alakaslam, I'm null/mildly town on him. I get very, very frustrated with people who don't post solid reasoning and rely on general statements like "My read is x because of his filter." In the past, I have found it very scummy when people did not substantiate with specific references to posts/conversations at a granular level. Alakaslam did not do that, and continued to not do that. However, I have also found that there are lots of people who just don't get that granular, and it's not as scummy as my mind tells me it is. Given the way in which he responded, playing the new guy/what do you want from me card SO hard, and how he continued to try and post and eventually DID post something specific about the MZ/rayn exchange he liked, I am not scummy on him. I don't think he should be a focus right now. | ||
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Especially when we're converting things like "Chezinu" to other languages, there's no reason to bother doing that and it just makes things more complicated than they need to be. | ||
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On July 09 2013 03:39 Z-BosoN wrote: DI is more of a known quantity and therefore his uselessness/lurkiness/early posts can be compared to his behavior in other games or what people expect out of him. If anyone disagrees with this bit on chezinu, please step up. Regarding dande lion, why do so many people want to lynch him for being useless and not Abenson and caucasianasian, who are even more useless? Can anyone please be clear on this? Afaik, abenson and caucasianasian are not in that boat. Also, while I like Dandel Ion, caucasianasian is a much better name and is fun to write. If he dies, we are unlikely to type out his name. | ||
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On July 09 2013 03:44 geript wrote: If it's on DI, then I think it has the possibility to be a mislynch. My gut read on DI's entrance to the thread was ACTUALLY that it was scummy, because it felt like it was unnecessary to be active/trolly when the rest of the thread was, and so it was more to be able to say "see, here's an active/trolly start from me before I got down to business, just like you guys saw days ago in PTP."You're still being useless. Doesn't this look like a mislynch? That has passed since he's not around. Based on that gut read of his entrance into thread, I'm actually not convinced he'd be a mislynch. If the lynch is on chezinu, I think it's a mislynch. | ||
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On July 09 2013 03:54 Z-BosoN wrote: I kinda share geripts sentiment that dandel's wagon took off really damn fast in contrast to the other lurkers If we can't come up with a non-policy lynch, then I'ma hop on with caucasianasian @austin No comment on the case I wrote on you? On July 09 2013 03:09 austinmcc wrote: As long as I'm posting that, I'll address this. Go read my filter, or the D1 there. If you remember, marv and others wanted to lynch me, and at some point like 3/4 of the way through D1 I picked up a couple votes with a few others thinking about voting me if I didn't get back and do something. I came back to the thread with a couple hours to go in D1. Posted a bunch of stuff. Most of it was wrong, but i DID nail scumNode and almost got him lynched before we all swapped off. I actually didn't do much D1 of that game until the last few hours, got called out for it, and got in some decent posting only at the very end of the day. As far as alakaslam, I'm null/mildly town on him. I get very, very frustrated with people who don't post solid reasoning and rely on general statements like "My read is x because of his filter." In the past, I have found it very scummy when people did not substantiate with specific references to posts/conversations at a granular level. Alakaslam did not do that, and continued to not do that. However, I have also found that there are lots of people who just don't get that granular, and it's not as scummy as my mind tells me it is. Given the way in which he responded, playing the new guy/what do you want from me card SO hard, and how he continued to try and post and eventually DID post something specific about the MZ/rayn exchange he liked, I am not scummy on him. I don't think he should be a focus right now. This bit of one of your posts on me: On July 09 2013 03:17 Z-BosoN wrote: it's very easy and convenient to say: "just look at my meta and you will see that [ . . . ]", because obviously no one is gonna open his earlier games and check on whether that's true or not. is entirely true. You limited it to scum, but regardless of my alignment, no one is opening my earlier games to check on whether what they're saying is true. You think I'm usually active, looking very townie, etc. I am just pointing out that, within a specific large game that you remember, this exact same thing happened. I posted a bunch at the very end of D1, during N1, and during D2. I got called out on my D1 play, collected some votes and some other people WANTING to push my lynch (marv brought it up a couple times but never voted). What I am saying, and the reason I mentioned that game, is that you are misremembering exactly what happened in a game/some games. If you go back and actually read the games you remember, you SHOULD see that I am generally not terribly active/leader-y in large games on D1. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote: Bleh. I really can't tell if austin is scummy or just being absolutely useless. Practically every game we've played together I've found him scummy on day 1 and he turned out just to be useless. Like, see how he's been posting in that other game he's in and not this one? Not caring about this one? Yeah, scummy as shit, except he did the same thing in rock band as town. On October 02 2012 08:32 marvellosity wrote: That post isn't helping you not be useless though is it austin On October 02 2012 08:44 marvellosity wrote: Ugh, too much screwing meta. I don't really want to lynch austin because I know he can be totally useless day 1 as here, and others don't want to lynch the pretty scummy annul because they want to wait and see. Why do you think austin has a higher chance of flipping scum than annul, BC? On October 03 2012 06:13 marvellosity wrote: austin: that's because you always play so fking scummy for most of day 1 dear. For anyone wanting to vote me because of inactivity/not looking super townie on D1, I can understand that. But good lord if you're going to do that because you think normally I look super townie on D1, please check and make sure you are correctly remembering games. Off the top of my head, I know that Liquid City and ... Movie Star Mini involved me doing jack all D1 and looking scummy, believe Rock Band and some game where Marv smurfed as Fivetouch and I didn't really do anything all game but argue with him as well. Doesn't make it a good way to play or a townie way to play. But stop presenting as fact that I always/usually look magically townie on D1. On July 09 2013 04:20 Z-BosoN wrote: This is fine. All I'm trying to say is, I think you're not recalling things properly, and while I don't claim to be super-townie, I do claim to not be playing out of the ordinary. I don't care if I look scummy right now, I can and will fix that. I care if the only reason I look scummy is for doing something that is a common occurrence.Ok, last thing before I leave. I dunno man, you reek of disinterest this game. Even if you haven't yet made long and aggressive posts, the attitude you display here building up to the end of d1 is totally different than from what I recall. You also make easy posts here, discussing meta, whatever Ace might have meant, and what not, but when it comes to actually trying to find scum, I find your posting here lacking. | ||
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On July 09 2013 04:28 Xatalos wrote: Yes, I absolutely should, and it's not close to the best thing I can do for town. Voting me for THAT reason is...kinda okay. But for whatever reason it irks me that some of the posts against me have said that I tend to look townie really early on, or that I was absent in PTP and absent here therefore I'm scum, or blah blah. I think all of those posts are stinkypants and lazy, because nobody is actually checking to make sure they're correct.Maybe an even bigger problem I have with you currently is that you make very good and reasonable throughout D1... But instead of scumhunting, you ONLY put in effort when defending yourself. How is that town motivated? As town, you should be looking for scum and not covering yourself cleverly. I got a thing coming. | ||
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In this game specifically, out of all the people who have some posts but not bunches, he sticks out to me because I did not feel that his posts did anything/went anywhere. Please to open filter and follow along: (1) ON posts a good number of trolly posts at the start of the game - + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 07:16 OriginalName wrote: Hi guys, my name is OriginalName, you may know me from Nukes with Borders, or the 1965 hit, Tommorrow Never Nukes,as a complacent nuclear launching and abiding actor I am here to bring you a nuclear winter update. -Chezinu is likely to feel some Rad burns so make sure to hide in the vaults! -The Sun is likely blotted out by all the dust so prepare for a Wave of Shadow. -Troy Mcclure was found dead from alcohol poisening on set of Quantum of Nukage. Stay tuned for more updates! On July 07 2013 07:19 OriginalName wrote: Yolo is clearly a scum tactic, do you have another reason for nuking a possible upstanding citizen? On July 07 2013 09:23 OriginalName wrote: Chezinu-chan who aside from the target of your nuclear strike is in your opinion a member of the enemy of all that is good. On July 07 2013 09:27 OriginalName wrote: I stand corrected he is just insane, and very possibly stupid. On July 07 2013 09:51 OriginalName wrote: Not really, everyone is still freaking out instead of actually trying to get on topic. As such lets return to some very good points: Fake nukes are stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmk Nuking people day 1 is stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmk Meapak's is repeating facts because they are generally important mmmmmmmmmmmmmk (2) When he does post things that are relevant to the thread/engage someone in discussion, it's only on a one-post level. He doesn't actually follow up with conversations/questions, only chimes in about things. Here is early stuff, and really the only thing that comes to mind when I think of ON's play this D1 was him targeting JW:+ Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 07:24 OriginalName wrote: Excuse me but I never F@%*ing asked you. Why are you soft-defending M_Z then while you can be a null leaning scum. ON blasts gumshoe for "soft-defending MZ," because gumshoe...made a comment about ON's dumb yolo post. Nothing happened, but the words "soft-defend" don't apply here, they look nice, they look like scumhunting, but there's no soft defense, defense, or anything for him to be attacking in actuality. On July 07 2013 09:11 OriginalName wrote: Whats wrong with asking for information to come to light, at the very least we get an insight into his thought process, by posting this you cover for JW and make it so he doesnt have to give his answer at all. On July 07 2013 09:20 OriginalName wrote: If you asked the same damn question then why would you call out another person for asking it? Just let people give the damn pressure who cares how "straightforward" the question is, your imagination that your question is different from Xatalos's in the slightest is just that. While I too would like to know what else seems scummy to johnnywup there is no reason for me to call out an attempt to furthur that no matter how effective it may seem in my mind. Here he pokes at rayn, for no real reason again. He hasn't said anything about JW being scummy at this point (Keep this in mind). He wants JW to answer, wants to know who JW finds scummy, but before these posts hadn't said a word about JW. (3) ON and JW:+ Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 00:13 OriginalName wrote: What are you smoking, all you've done is fling shit at wave and vayne and come up with a large wall of text basically saying OMGUS youve and like wave said you've never posted any actual reasons to why he is scum other than "Hes sarcastic" which is a piss poor reason in my opinion... Please come up with an actual defense at some point not just screaming that you are the towniest town to ever town because you are clearly not the towniest town to ever town. --------------------------------- Also the person who nuked M_Z is probably scum in my opinion... + Show Spoiler + Remember kids day 1 nukes are bad yo. On July 08 2013 00:14 OriginalName wrote: Oh before i forget ##Vote Johnnywup Accuses JW of "flinging shit" about WoS and VA, gets really really hyperaggressive here. Again, despite never really having called JW out on anything before. Rather than really push the "JW is scum" angle though, look at his first post here. He wants JW to post a defense, an actual defense. That, to me, is ... out of character with legitimate scumhunting/voting. If he thinks JW is useless, why does he care what JW posts in his own defense? If he thinks JW is scum, he doesn't want JW to post a defense, he wants JW to die. I don't understand this exchange if ON is town, but i CAN understand it if ON is scum (and JW is town, which we don't know). ON wants to "scumhunt," but knows that JW is town, and therefore all he can really do as far as pressuring JW goes is pressure him to defend himself. Not outright call him scummy, not outright say you want him lynched, but just say you want him to post a defense. (4) Okay! You're saying. That doesn't make him scum. Nope, it doesn't. But follow ON and JW down the road a ways:+ Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote: This is...50 minutes after ON's vote on JW. FIFTY MINUTES. In that amount of time, he continues to walk this weird accusation line. He'll vote for JW, but never explicitly call JW scum (something I often have a problem doing as scum, straight-up calling townies scum). He thinks there's scum on the JW lynch, but he's leaving his vote there "for pressure" and a coherent defense. He announces that he's going to move his vote in the afternoon, is fine shifting his vote, and wants to lynch "one of those lurkers" as an "alternate lynch."Regardless of alignment at least one is probably on there at the moment I'm almost sure its one of the people who just jumped on there and left that are a part of it. I'm leaving my vote on there for now because the more pressure on whup the more defence we get and it is getting somewhat more coherent. In all likelyhood I'm going to move off him later this afternoon unless he really fucks up. If we are going to push an alt lynch we should probably jump on one of those lurkers. Chezinu is a stupid D1 lynch atm in my opinion. This is for a variety of factors, how those nukes flip are likely going to be much better indicators then what we have to work with for now, I am completely alright with a day 2 chez lynch if it turns out to be a more valid idea. I'm completely alright with shifting pressure votes onto some lurkers maybe shift over to Z-Boson and see if he actually does anything. Do you see what I see?
(5) ON doesn't care about his vote, you say? Then why would he make posts such as these! + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote: Im in agreement with anyone on this list On July 09 2013 01:42 OriginalName wrote: So are we thinking about a lurker lynch today or are we going to go after somebody actually in the thread. If we do go after some of the less active people we could be looking at stutters or SnB SnB in particuler just seems to just call a few people scummy then up and leave again. Stutters has done absolutely shit all. ofc we also have afk Dandel that is always a possiblity. Oh nm, holy hell. ON doesn't seem to care AT ALL where his vote is, and just wants to lynch a lurker maybe. He'll just lynch whoever. (6) Fine austinmcc, but why is he scummy? Ah. That's the question (unless you already find him scummy). (A) He looks like he's interacting with the thread, but he's not really. Most of his posts are throwaways. Most of the ones that LOOK like they have analysis or votes or scumhunting or something are just air. He doesn't care about scumhunting, he doesn't seem to care at all about the game at all. (B) I brought up his bristliness earlier, and he responded: On July 08 2013 06:48 OriginalName wrote: Look at that. He needs to be bristly to find information, push people, gain information, and get scum. I would like for everyone who thinks that ON has done those things today to raise their hands. In real life, raise your hand. In the game, type #raisehand. Seriously. Look at his filter, his impact on this game, and tell me that he's collecting information, doing anything with information, pushing people, or trying to hunt scum.being accusatory or bristly doesnt mean im scum though, you have to provoke a reaction in order to find information. Right now we have a half decent atmosphere for hunting and and we can continue pushing people, this is not majority lynch its plurality, votes can fly everywhere for the fisrt part of the day its not like we risk having a hammer drop. Why shouldn't we be antagonistic towards scum, Johnny's later defense put him in a much better light, if we had not pressured him as much we did not gain information. Why do you not like more information Austin, do you have issues with a playstyle because i can point to mulitple other town players who played like me in past games, I'm not here to be nice im here to get scum. He never calls JW scummy outright. He explicitly says he'll unvote JW after 50 minutes. He mentions lurker lynches multiple times, not just in general, but like "So, who we lynching?" None of that is scumhunting AT ALL. His given reason for the tone of his early posts is a very townie-sounding reason, but unfortunately, he has not lived up to his billing. He's not doing what he says he's doing. And when that thing is scumhunting, it's a 'portant thing to either do or not claim you're doing. That right there is the biggest reason to vote for him. He's doing all these things that maybe he thinks LOOK like scumhunting, but never actually scumhunting. He puts his vote on JW for "pressure," but never actually applies any pressure. After that, he just asks who we're lynching and occasionally chimes in about a thing, so you KNOW that he's not entirely AFK but is reading thread - + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 09:33 OriginalName wrote: @Ace What do you think of the Dandel Ion and his complete utter Disappearance? Is it possible its some crazy cost for a power? On July 08 2013 09:34 OriginalName wrote: This was the post about possible nuke implosion for those who missed it On July 09 2013 01:37 OriginalName wrote: he means that we apply 2 kp to a person to insure they die thus avoiding a mislynch as they would die anyways. Please also note that he's not a newbie. It's not as if he's never scumhunted, never pressured anyone, etc. In terms of semi-recent filters, you can look at: Looney Lynching, Caller Game, Game of Thrones While he sometimes posts in all caps or in an accusatory manner, he has a LOT of reasoned out posts in those games, posts that are entirely lacking from this game: + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 11:27 OriginalName wrote: Defense in and of it self is a null tell in this setup due to the team mechanic, what does anyone outside of his own faction gain from defending him. Said faction is probably not touching the issue with a 10 foot pole or would be outright bussing him in order to maintain furthur credibility. In all honesty there is no reason to defend him nor is it reasonable to defend anyone else as this game is less kill the mafia as much as kill everyone but your faction. The flip side to this mechanic is you could attempt to force the game into superlate and just attempt for a last man standing kind of deal but we really dont need theorycrafting beyond that day 1. On September 18 2012 11:40 OriginalName wrote: Think of it this way mattchew: Your on a town faction, none of your homies are in deepshit and its night time and you have a vigi shot. There was a townie killed the day or night before and you are 80% sure that Person X is on his team. Now you are 40% sure that person Y is a turk for whatever reason. You could just take a safe shot and more or less eliminate one team from the runnings right then and there as a 2 man deficit is fatal this early in the game. Or take the less safe scum shot over waiting for more information. Now naturally this would be another case if you were more sure of scum but theoretically speaking hitting a townie not on your team with a shot is not particularly bad play early on. ESPECIALLY if you manage to hit scum with a lynch. On March 23 2012 10:39 OriginalName wrote: I'm voting SLJ For the following reasons I believe them to be scum. -There's two of them and they are both lurking hardcore there is no excuse for this behaviour -Not contributing any opinions before flaunting vet status and starting questionable bandwagon that everyone is jumping on. -Pushing agenda through above method -Doing nothing to contribute to atmosphere and using horrid paragraph/other crappie that neither usually ignore and makes it seem that they really don't care -Throwing votes down without reason The cases on layabout are fairly meh nothing of his outright rises suspicion other then his questionable alt targets. Alderan is increadably trashy as well with that clear bandwagon jump how do people get away with this. #Vote SLJ On March 24 2012 06:25 OriginalName wrote: There is no issues with pushing a hard lynch as often that push can cause scum to slip up harder. If they seem more townie as time goes on then fine switch off. Im just tierd of people playing passive on Day 1 because of what they deem as weak reads. Throw ideas out thats the point sure asking questions is fine but what and WHY do you think something Going to move over to Eventrees for now, Im likeing sandro if not syllo but really Im probably just wasting my vote atm. ##Vote Eventrees @Sandro Im probably picking on you more then most because you have 2 people working on an account with people who dont want to play the game. If anything im venting frustration on people who are being overall unhelpful and while i do believe that if you want to hide info between yourselves if you are town theres no harm in throwing out those ideas to us as well to throw our opinions on. @Generally everyone else What is everyone thinking about Sinesis i dont think its wise to truely ignore anyone and he seems to be just sitting there and not barging into the forefront. | ||
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Also, why does that not exist with like...Ned Stark in bed with a MS Paint cigarette. Booooooooooooooo. Seriously though, I'd like to lynch ON. | ||
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I was poking at people yesterday about ON. I got nothing. Like stone nothing from most people I asked, and MZ didn't even respond til poke #2 or #3. I would assume that if ON were mafia, someone would NOTICE that, and would either (1) call me scum for constantly mentioning ON and never voting him/case-ing him or (2) try to defend him even though I hadn't really accused him yet. Nobody did those two things. Nobody freaked out that pressure might be coming, that he might be under suspicion. If you guys didn't think I was really interested in ON or anything, or actually feel that I'm scummy, then I can maybe understand this - who cares if austinmcc is talking about ON when he's not saying anything and looks scummy. But it's slightly WIFOM-y and slightly disconcerting that I beat around the ON-is-scum-bush and the bush just sat there. | ||
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On July 09 2013 05:24 Chezinu wrote: The only thing I know is that I don't know as much as other people seem to think they knowI will agree cause, you know Austin knows things... | ||
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On July 09 2013 05:27 Chezinu wrote: I don't trust this for a minute, lol.I don't even know what my role would have done.. that means oh geez... you must be lost unless, I'm not the other people... Of course, if nothing else, we'll probably all find out. | ||
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Hmmmmm. Okay, we shouldn't lynch austinmcc Talk to me about the reaction though. You have been looking at me, specifically, for a decent bit of this game. Did you think I had some unhealthy obsession with ON? Was scummy on him before now? Or my mentions of him just slipped your mind? | ||
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I posted a case. How about you discuss it instead of just vote blindly. By voting and not discussing, if ON is scum, it makes it easy for scum to jump on board the lynch and we can't actually pinpoint when they do so if EVERYONE just goes "Oh what? A case? A case! Let's vote!" ON, you've claimed to be blue. As best I can tell, so have Chezinu, WoS, Oatsmaster, Xatalos, TanGeng, and pretty much anyone else who has been nuked/possibly killified. Are you saying you should not be killed when you're blue, when it appears we have a LOT of blues, or are you saying that you do something in particular that we don't want to lynch? | ||
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On July 09 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: You're being overly aggressive with this. Actually ON should debunk your case instead of telling how he has not played mafia for a year. I agree with your case and as you might very well know i have been suspicious of ON for a long time. Yes, I'd like to hear a response. But good lord people need to give reasons for their votes. Something that they specifically agree with, something that resonates with them, ... a ghost told them to vote. All this voting for nothing more than "Case = vote" is butt. ON, what two players would you nuke if you had 2 nukes and why? If you'd already made 2 nukes, who would you give them to? Beyond that, are there other limitations? Can't give to the same person more than once? Can't stockpile them and have to give out each cycle? | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:00 geript wrote: I think that's true. But the timing, and the limit to being focused on the defense itself as the turning point, rather than a read, both bug me. @ausin i disagree with your point on wanting to see a defense. what type of defense can be useful in being able to read thought process. and just because you think someone is scum, doesnt mean you want to lynch them at the end of theday. reads change I would have less of a problem if I saw a clear "Here is why JW is scummy" or "I agree with X that JW is scummy for those reasons" --> defense addressing those concerns --> changed mind --> finding a new target. But I don't see the first two steps, it seems like JW is scummy BECAUSE he hasn't defended himself as well as ON would like, not that he's scummy and THEN didn't defend himself well. The...the defense given appears to be part of the scumread, to the extent that one is being expressed. Nor do I see the finding of a new target, so I don't actually buy pressure --> defense --> new target --> that guy defends --> new target. Someone I have seen do that really well is BH, constantly shifting around on D1 but forcing people to defend themselves and post. Here, I don't see any pressure coming from ON, nor do I see him even considering other specific targets really for the rest of the day. | ||
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I agree that I normally wouldn't jump right to claiming, especially in a game where we've had a good number of other claims. It's not...damning, I think I've seen some people rush to that and I have a pretty godawful history with claiming. On July 09 2013 06:20 Nirvana.Gabo wrote: ON claimed a PR, i don't see hwy that wouldn't change your view of his alignment 'splain please On July 09 2013 06:19 FirmTofu wrote: Who, in particular, do you find suspicious within the ON voters?I don't see how ON's roleclaim is at all alignment indicative. Scum could just as easily have the same role so if his claim changes your opinion of him, I find that very suspicious. That being said, I am not entirely convinced that ON is scum. I wanted to have a wagon that was at least competitive to the Dandel Ion wagon so that we could get some discussion going. I can no longer endorse the lynch on ON and I am going back to my best scumread on VA. I tried lynching suboptimally in my last game and it ended up flipping town. I'm not going to make that mistake again. Can you give me a ... twitter length summary of why VA is scummy while I poke through filters? | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:27 johnnywup wrote: DI came back but didn't do anything.Someone please catch me on the past 8 pages? I made a case on ON - + Show Spoiler + On July 09 2013 05:10 austinmcc wrote: The person I want to lynch most actually isn't one of the super super lurky players, but OriginalName. In this game specifically, out of all the people who have some posts but not bunches, he sticks out to me because I did not feel that his posts did anything/went anywhere. Please to open filter and follow along: (1) ON posts a good number of trolly posts at the start of the game - + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 07:16 OriginalName wrote: Hi guys, my name is OriginalName, you may know me from Nukes with Borders, or the 1965 hit, Tommorrow Never Nukes,as a complacent nuclear launching and abiding actor I am here to bring you a nuclear winter update. -Chezinu is likely to feel some Rad burns so make sure to hide in the vaults! -The Sun is likely blotted out by all the dust so prepare for a Wave of Shadow. -Troy Mcclure was found dead from alcohol poisening on set of Quantum of Nukage. Stay tuned for more updates! On July 07 2013 07:19 OriginalName wrote: Yolo is clearly a scum tactic, do you have another reason for nuking a possible upstanding citizen? On July 07 2013 09:23 OriginalName wrote: Chezinu-chan who aside from the target of your nuclear strike is in your opinion a member of the enemy of all that is good. On July 07 2013 09:27 OriginalName wrote: I stand corrected he is just insane, and very possibly stupid. On July 07 2013 09:51 OriginalName wrote: Not really, everyone is still freaking out instead of actually trying to get on topic. As such lets return to some very good points: Fake nukes are stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmk Nuking people day 1 is stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmk Meapak's is repeating facts because they are generally important mmmmmmmmmmmmmk (2) When he does post things that are relevant to the thread/engage someone in discussion, it's only on a one-post level. He doesn't actually follow up with conversations/questions, only chimes in about things. Here is early stuff, and really the only thing that comes to mind when I think of ON's play this D1 was him targeting JW:+ Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 07:24 OriginalName wrote: Excuse me but I never F@%*ing asked you. Why are you soft-defending M_Z then while you can be a null leaning scum. ON blasts gumshoe for "soft-defending MZ," because gumshoe...made a comment about ON's dumb yolo post. Nothing happened, but the words "soft-defend" don't apply here, they look nice, they look like scumhunting, but there's no soft defense, defense, or anything for him to be attacking in actuality. On July 07 2013 09:11 OriginalName wrote: Whats wrong with asking for information to come to light, at the very least we get an insight into his thought process, by posting this you cover for JW and make it so he doesnt have to give his answer at all. On July 07 2013 09:20 OriginalName wrote: If you asked the same damn question then why would you call out another person for asking it? Just let people give the damn pressure who cares how "straightforward" the question is, your imagination that your question is different from Xatalos's in the slightest is just that. While I too would like to know what else seems scummy to johnnywup there is no reason for me to call out an attempt to furthur that no matter how effective it may seem in my mind. Here he pokes at rayn, for no real reason again. He hasn't said anything about JW being scummy at this point (Keep this in mind). He wants JW to answer, wants to know who JW finds scummy, but before these posts hadn't said a word about JW. (3) ON and JW:+ Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 00:13 OriginalName wrote: What are you smoking, all you've done is fling shit at wave and vayne and come up with a large wall of text basically saying OMGUS youve and like wave said you've never posted any actual reasons to why he is scum other than "Hes sarcastic" which is a piss poor reason in my opinion... Please come up with an actual defense at some point not just screaming that you are the towniest town to ever town because you are clearly not the towniest town to ever town. --------------------------------- Also the person who nuked M_Z is probably scum in my opinion... + Show Spoiler + Remember kids day 1 nukes are bad yo. On July 08 2013 00:14 OriginalName wrote: Oh before i forget ##Vote Johnnywup Accuses JW of "flinging shit" about WoS and VA, gets really really hyperaggressive here. Again, despite never really having called JW out on anything before. Rather than really push the "JW is scum" angle though, look at his first post here. He wants JW to post a defense, an actual defense. That, to me, is ... out of character with legitimate scumhunting/voting. If he thinks JW is useless, why does he care what JW posts in his own defense? If he thinks JW is scum, he doesn't want JW to post a defense, he wants JW to die. I don't understand this exchange if ON is town, but i CAN understand it if ON is scum (and JW is town, which we don't know). ON wants to "scumhunt," but knows that JW is town, and therefore all he can really do as far as pressuring JW goes is pressure him to defend himself. Not outright call him scummy, not outright say you want him lynched, but just say you want him to post a defense. (4) Okay! You're saying. That doesn't make him scum. Nope, it doesn't. But follow ON and JW down the road a ways:+ Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote: This is...50 minutes after ON's vote on JW. FIFTY MINUTES. In that amount of time, he continues to walk this weird accusation line. He'll vote for JW, but never explicitly call JW scum (something I often have a problem doing as scum, straight-up calling townies scum). He thinks there's scum on the JW lynch, but he's leaving his vote there "for pressure" and a coherent defense. He announces that he's going to move his vote in the afternoon, is fine shifting his vote, and wants to lynch "one of those lurkers" as an "alternate lynch."Regardless of alignment at least one is probably on there at the moment I'm almost sure its one of the people who just jumped on there and left that are a part of it. I'm leaving my vote on there for now because the more pressure on whup the more defence we get and it is getting somewhat more coherent. In all likelyhood I'm going to move off him later this afternoon unless he really fucks up. If we are going to push an alt lynch we should probably jump on one of those lurkers. Chezinu is a stupid D1 lynch atm in my opinion. This is for a variety of factors, how those nukes flip are likely going to be much better indicators then what we have to work with for now, I am completely alright with a day 2 chez lynch if it turns out to be a more valid idea. I'm completely alright with shifting pressure votes onto some lurkers maybe shift over to Z-Boson and see if he actually does anything. Do you see what I see?
(5) ON doesn't care about his vote, you say? Then why would he make posts such as these! + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote: Im in agreement with anyone on this list On July 09 2013 01:42 OriginalName wrote: So are we thinking about a lurker lynch today or are we going to go after somebody actually in the thread. If we do go after some of the less active people we could be looking at stutters or SnB SnB in particuler just seems to just call a few people scummy then up and leave again. Stutters has done absolutely shit all. ofc we also have afk Dandel that is always a possiblity. Oh nm, holy hell. ON doesn't seem to care AT ALL where his vote is, and just wants to lynch a lurker maybe. He'll just lynch whoever. (6) Fine austinmcc, but why is he scummy? Ah. That's the question (unless you already find him scummy). (A) He looks like he's interacting with the thread, but he's not really. Most of his posts are throwaways. Most of the ones that LOOK like they have analysis or votes or scumhunting or something are just air. He doesn't care about scumhunting, he doesn't seem to care at all about the game at all. (B) I brought up his bristliness earlier, and he responded:Look at that. He needs to be bristly to find information, push people, gain information, and get scum. I would like for everyone who thinks that ON has done those things today to raise their hands. In real life, raise your hand. In the game, type #raisehand. Seriously. Look at his filter, his impact on this game, and tell me that he's collecting information, doing anything with information, pushing people, or trying to hunt scum. He never calls JW scummy outright. He explicitly says he'll unvote JW after 50 minutes. He mentions lurker lynches multiple times, not just in general, but like "So, who we lynching?" None of that is scumhunting AT ALL. His given reason for the tone of his early posts is a very townie-sounding reason, but unfortunately, he has not lived up to his billing. He's not doing what he says he's doing. And when that thing is scumhunting, it's a 'portant thing to either do or not claim you're doing. That right there is the biggest reason to vote for him. He's doing all these things that maybe he thinks LOOK like scumhunting, but never actually scumhunting. He puts his vote on JW for "pressure," but never actually applies any pressure. After that, he just asks who we're lynching and occasionally chimes in about a thing, so you KNOW that he's not entirely AFK but is reading thread - + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 09:33 OriginalName wrote: @Ace What do you think of the Dandel Ion and his complete utter Disappearance? Is it possible its some crazy cost for a power? On July 08 2013 09:34 OriginalName wrote: This was the post about possible nuke implosion for those who missed it On July 09 2013 01:37 OriginalName wrote: he means that we apply 2 kp to a person to insure they die thus avoiding a mislynch as they would die anyways. Please also note that he's not a newbie. It's not as if he's never scumhunted, never pressured anyone, etc. In terms of semi-recent filters, you can look at: Looney Lynching, Caller Game, Game of Thrones While he sometimes posts in all caps or in an accusatory manner, he has a LOT of reasoned out posts in those games, posts that are entirely lacking from this game: + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 11:27 OriginalName wrote: Defense in and of it self is a null tell in this setup due to the team mechanic, what does anyone outside of his own faction gain from defending him. Said faction is probably not touching the issue with a 10 foot pole or would be outright bussing him in order to maintain furthur credibility. In all honesty there is no reason to defend him nor is it reasonable to defend anyone else as this game is less kill the mafia as much as kill everyone but your faction. The flip side to this mechanic is you could attempt to force the game into superlate and just attempt for a last man standing kind of deal but we really dont need theorycrafting beyond that day 1. On September 18 2012 11:40 OriginalName wrote: Think of it this way mattchew: Your on a town faction, none of your homies are in deepshit and its night time and you have a vigi shot. There was a townie killed the day or night before and you are 80% sure that Person X is on his team. Now you are 40% sure that person Y is a turk for whatever reason. You could just take a safe shot and more or less eliminate one team from the runnings right then and there as a 2 man deficit is fatal this early in the game. Or take the less safe scum shot over waiting for more information. Now naturally this would be another case if you were more sure of scum but theoretically speaking hitting a townie not on your team with a shot is not particularly bad play early on. ESPECIALLY if you manage to hit scum with a lynch. On March 23 2012 10:39 OriginalName wrote: I'm voting SLJ For the following reasons I believe them to be scum. -There's two of them and they are both lurking hardcore there is no excuse for this behaviour -Not contributing any opinions before flaunting vet status and starting questionable bandwagon that everyone is jumping on. -Pushing agenda through above method -Doing nothing to contribute to atmosphere and using horrid paragraph/other crappie that neither usually ignore and makes it seem that they really don't care -Throwing votes down without reason The cases on layabout are fairly meh nothing of his outright rises suspicion other then his questionable alt targets. Alderan is increadably trashy as well with that clear bandwagon jump how do people get away with this. #Vote SLJ On March 24 2012 06:25 OriginalName wrote: There is no issues with pushing a hard lynch as often that push can cause scum to slip up harder. If they seem more townie as time goes on then fine switch off. Im just tierd of people playing passive on Day 1 because of what they deem as weak reads. Throw ideas out thats the point sure asking questions is fine but what and WHY do you think something Going to move over to Eventrees for now, Im likeing sandro if not syllo but really Im probably just wasting my vote atm. ##Vote Eventrees @Sandro Im probably picking on you more then most because you have 2 people working on an account with people who dont want to play the game. 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On July 09 2013 06:25 geript wrote: How is the claim too bad?Not a solid "he's towny read" but much like WoS in TheGame, the claim is almost too bad to make him scum. I'm ok with lynching him on principle, but I'm just not as keen about it. The thing I liked about it was that most everyone who jumped ship I felt were town On what principle do you want to lynch him? | ||
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On July 09 2013 06:31 FirmTofu wrote: Why point out that you find something very suspicious if it hasn't happened? Also, can you walk me through how the switching based on the claim would make you suspicious?I said "IF". I don't think anyone has switched their voted based on his claim yet, so I don't think anyone on the ON wagon is suspicious as of yet. I will look through it later, but for now, I would like to focus on why VA would be a better lynch than ON. | ||
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This vote moving so frigging much. I actually like a DI lynch more than before because, despite showing back up to the thread for a moment, he posts basically nothing, notes he'd vote caucasianasian, says he wrote a post but lost it, gone permanently. Things swung away from him, there's lots of stuff ripe for discussion, and he disappeared. | ||
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On July 09 2013 07:57 Alakaslam wrote: The question was the general "Did you have A nuke, or do you make more." Yes, he made every 2 cycles, but I want to know whether we have a bunch of gotta-shoot nukes again or no.Every TWO days. HE WAS EXACTLY HONEST. Get facts right. | ||
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On July 09 2013 08:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think his role usage was ... kinda butt. I can understand the desire to save MZ, but I both hate the speed/lack of discussion on the retarget and I hate the D1 claim. In my mind, the ability to retarget a nuke is VERY powerful, assuming there are nukes on later days, and I don't like that he says it was one-shot but blew it D1. Screwing up a scum plan or a nuke whose landing they were counting on later in the game is such a fantastically town-favored thing to do, and he chose to ... not be able to do that.austin what do you think of WoS? Boo. Not alignmenty really, just boo. His posts, or these two, make me townie on him: On July 08 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright back for the evening. I have way more townreads than I do scumreads atm (which on one hand sucks yet on the other makes sense considering the ratio). I could get behind a Dandel lynch today....MAYBE Chez. Ace I saw you commenting on how it's bad to talk about whether a player has a nuke or not: I was trying to lead Onegu into setup discussion to see if he would take the bait and go on with it. As you know in the recent newbie game you yourself instructed scum to stop the Nosy Neighbour talk after it had died down because they didn't want to be the only ones left cluttering up the thread. I wanted to see if he'd take it and run with it; he did not and as such i believe he has either taken your advice to heart as scum or is more likely town this game. I will see how he continues to play but for now I would not lynch Onegu. To comment on Geript's tunnel of me----that's just what he do. He does it literally every game we've ever been in together, regardless of either of our alignments (I've always been town). I firmly believe him to be town this particular game so it hasn't really bothered me a great deal thus far, and whereas most games he tunnels me to the exclusion of all others, in this game he hasn't so it hasn't been counterproductive to scumhunting. Read a thing (Ace's post), commented on that thing, gave clear reason for why he did something. Read another thing (Geript), gave a reason why he doesn't care and a read. Just dumping his thoughts like that and explaining it out it something that I find townie. On July 09 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Dis mans too. He's been poking at snb, snb comes back with a post, WoS follows up with snb on his post. Plus, his followup is "Oh yeah, I read that post, had the same thought, but then went here, and oh yeah please keep scumhunting/talking more." Reads very town to me. If he's scum, he (1) doesn't have to comment on this (2) doesn't have to continue discussing. The fact he comments, adds his own thoughts, AND tries to continue onwards is townie to me.I personally didn't think that post seemed very townie at all. It was a later response of his that made me change my mind. It was Rayn who found it townie and as I recall his reasoning was that it 'echoes his thoughts.' I'm still pretty sure Johnny is town at this point despite the early scumminess. SnB who (else) is scum? | ||
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On July 09 2013 08:36 WaveofShadow wrote: You're scum for that.Clearly MZ and I are both scum and I knew NG was town at the start which is why I claimed blue and redirected the nuke. Retarded suspicion is retarded. Anyway sorry for the shit redirect I guess. Already explained myself so I don't really have anything else to say on the matter. I still think DI is scum and I still want him dead. Anybody conveniently feel like calling me scum for that too? | ||
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On July 09 2013 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'll look him over later in the night. I assume everyone will give the same answer here, that his posting looked townie but he hasn't been around lately and that lessens its townieness. WoS what are your thoughts on MZ? Same to austin. I think people who find him town based solely on the fact that he was silently nuked are assuming things they can't assume. There may be third parties this game, therefore, it's entirely possible the silent nuke is a 3P thing (not telling on MZ's alignment) or it could be a mafia-nuke without him being town. I'M NOT GOING INTO THAT BECAUSE I AM SO TIRED OF ANTI-TOWN ELEMENTS AND ALL THAT JAZZ, but...he is getting town cred from some folks that we can't know yet whether he should receive. If that makes sense. Also, how you gon' go and ask a second question when you won't be specific about tofu. Shame. | ||
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On July 09 2013 08:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yup, I makee read.Are you even reading the thread? Also i don't care to discuss my townreads. Make a case and i might debunk it. | ||
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On July 09 2013 09:00 austinmcc wrote: Not a lot of the pregame. Oh right, you're refering to your claim that you shot the nuke. Was trying to figure out what Tofu did that I missed | ||
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On July 09 2013 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: (1) I think it's more likely you're town than scumI could and would totally buss and make moves as scum. What i would not do is to create an unnecessary lie if i do not have to. And if i was scum and me or anyone in my team launched that nuke on MZ, i would not claim it, because IT DOESN'T HELP ME AT ALL! There is no reason to. (2) I think whatever you're trying to do is NOT helpful if you're town. You caused some confusion, and I don't see you playing for some kind of townie end goal (a counterclaim isn't happening) But there's been enough said on that topic I'm interested in Senor Tofu I find most of his posting townie. He tries to drum up support for a VA lynch, follows up on discussions with people, and I don't think I've ever seen scum use the phrase "banana-butthole." During the lynch though, his posts stuck out to me and I disliked them. This one still triggers my scumdar. On July 09 2013 06:19 FirmTofu wrote: I don't see how ON's roleclaim is at all alignment indicative. Scum could just as easily have the same role so if his claim changes your opinion of him, I find that very suspicious. That being said, I am not entirely convinced that ON is scum. I wanted to have a wagon that was at least competitive to the Dandel Ion wagon so that we could get some discussion going. I can no longer endorse the lynch on ON and I am going back to my best scumread on VA. I tried lynching suboptimally in my last game and it ended up flipping town. I'm not going to make that mistake again. On July 09 2013 06:31 FirmTofu wrote: Defenses or accusations based on things that haven't happened but MIGHT are things I find scummy. I associate them with knowledge of alignments, because if you're starting from a position of not knowing alignments, you have to try and figure them out by using what has actually happened. You can't consider what might or might not happen. But if you know alignments, you may just be looking for things to justify the reads you're predisposed to have, including using things that haven't happened. I said "IF". I don't think anyone has switched their voted based on his claim yet, so I don't think anyone on the ON wagon is suspicious as of yet. I will look through it later, but for now, I would like to focus on why VA would be a better lynch than ON. On July 09 2013 06:38 FirmTofu wrote: This post also gave me bad feels. Maybe I play scum differently, but I'm not running away from every mislynch, especially when there are like ... 11+ people on a lynch. You're going to get more scrutiny from moving around or moving around with bad reason than you will from just going "Oh case, I sheep, ON scum" and voting once (tell me if you disagree). Assuming that ON is scum and we have scum on that wagon trying to bus him, scum could be using his roleclaim as a reason to back off. I wanted to anticipate this move and prevent it from happening. Assuming that ON is town and we have scum on the wagon, scum would be looking for a reason to get off the wagon so that they wouldn't be associated with it when the flip comes around. This could be used an excuse to do so. At this point, I don't think there are any scum on the ON lynch so my point happens to be a bit irrelevant. Maybe it's the difference in thought here, but ... this whole "I don't think there are any scum on the ON lynch" bit is so odd. If you think 11ish townies are all wanting to lynch the same guy and there is NO scum on the lynch, that indicates to me that the dude is scum. The case was made my be, still voting ON, so here Tofu is saying he thinks a townie made a case on a dude, picked up a bunch of other townie votes, had no scum voters, all of which leads him to the conclusion that the lynch is ... on a townie? I don't get that at all. Rest of filter, townie. But filter around the time of the lynch gets really scummy to me, or, at the very least, I just don't understand what he was thinking. Anyone else draw anything from those posts, especially the second one? | ||
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On July 10 2013 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah seems kinda like he has extra info. And just adding JUST IN CASE stuff to look active. scummy man. Why burn your shoot-down on D1? | ||
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Scum, the people who want town to lose and want townies to die, were supposed to do the following: (1) Shoot a nuke at MZ (2) See you claim their nuke in thread (3) Be confused/afraid On July 10 2013 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is my plan: I claim that i nuked Meapak to throw mafia off their game. Seriously, think about it. You are mafia and some townie claims a nuke you have launched. Would it throw you off? You need to comment on the matter somehow, as by reading my filter there is an obvious lie, just that you know EXACTLY where the lie is (in "i nuked MZ"). Mafia gets confused. ... What i was looking was behaviour that does not fall into any category i described before. Think about this from mafia pov. You don't know what i am up to. I have obviously fakeclaimed to shot a nuke. I am asking you questions. What am i after? I obviously have some sort of a plan, what do you need to answer? Another behaviour is to straight up say "lol you can't possibly have launched that nuke". That was the plan? The plan is to lie to thread, to either lie about nuking someone or lie about not having nukes, and then to expect mafia, who are again, by the way, the people who want townies dead, to get confused or afraid? I think that if this was actually your plan then...I dunno, respect. It's delightfully ridiculous. But mafia, as noted above, really likes killing townies. And townies really like lynching liars/people who make no sense. Therefore mafia really likes it when townies lie, because that means they can get mislynches. A mafia team that doesn't love making townies really want to lynch townies is...not a winning mafia team. So no, I didn't chime in with how this didn't make any sense, wondering why you'd want chez nuked and nuke MZ. Other people did. I didn't chime in with why would you lie, because other people did. I didn't chime in with why claim the nuke if you're lying mafia, therefore, aren't you some kind of lying town, because other people did. Moreover, I actually find suspicious the people that came out of the woodwork JUST to talk about you and the nuke. Ace has been more or less townie to me, but spending pages and pages arguing with people for little reason actually gives me the impression that he's happy to post and muck up the thread. Jampidampi looks odd for me because he gets involved in very, very little on D1, and now half of his filter is posts about you and your claim. Your claim is easy pickings for mafia to get active, to fill filter either accusing someone of being mafia for lying (ezpz townie thing to do) or fill filter about why your lying doesn't make sense (ezpz thing to do). Right? It's an easy topic of discussion that isn't really scumhunting, isn't really moving things forward. You just give your thoughts, recycle them, argue about them, but the whole thing is meaningless and it's just a great opportunity to LOOK active. Besides the whole lie as town to get somewhere thing, which I think should be used very, very sparingly if at all, I think your conclusions are ... wrong. I disagree that mafia gets confused by this. I think it presents a strong opportunity for scum to get active in the thread. | ||
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On July 10 2013 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's why at no point did I say it's bad. I even believe it's useful as town, but only very, very sparingly, and the more people that lie, the more often they lie, the less useful it is.Lying is not necessarily bad. I lie more as town than i do as mafia. I don't care about the whole lying thing. What I care about is the conclusions you draw. You think that mafia should be confused/afraid of your claim, when I believe that mafia would love the opportunity to jump on someone who has lied in thread, call them out, call for their lynch. You think that mafia would avoid discussing your claim, when I think that it's fertile grounds for mafia to get active about something. "Why did rayn lie/is rayn lying/is rayn scum/what is going on" is just another topic to talk about that isn't QUITE scumhunting. It's slightly closer to scumhunting than setup talk, balance talk, and that jazz, but it's still fluff discussion that doesn't really get towards finding a scumteam. You had some motivation to do what you did, you had some post you were waiting to reveal, until that point it's all kind of useless chatter that just serves to make people APPEAR useful. Again, the reaction that I would find scummy is not the people who do nothing with your claim, but people who fill their filter with nothing except talk about your claim (jampidampi) or people who jump on you as scummy despite doing little other scumhunting (haven't gone back to look at this) or ... Ace, because he knows better and generally stays out of threads. | ||
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You discombobulated the thread. Scum love discombobulated threads, and prolonging discombobulation. Therefore, people who didn't discombobulate aren't more likely to be scum than before (IMO), and people who reveled in the discombobulation are. | ||
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This thread is large. There are lots of posts. But assuming we don't blow goats, this game will come down to your ability to read people in the thread and the thread's ability to read you (you = anyone who isn't super duper involved). Active townies will get NKed. Active scum will hopefully slip up. Some other scum/town will become apparent because of voting/roles/whatever. But then we will hit lategame and will have a few people that town couldn't read well enough to really lynch, and scum didn't find threatening enough to NK. The more you can contribute to the thread, even in weird sideways ways, the better people can read you as we approach that point and the better lategame townies will be able to read lategame folks. Please don't want until endgame to get involved or try and read the thread. You simply won't be able to. Please find some odd way to get involved now. | ||
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On July 10 2013 04:40 strongandbig wrote: Also Austin regarding your stuff this page about how scum would want to jump on a liar for lying and get a townie lynched, the thing is that the scum can't attack the lying townie for lying because the only way they would know he was lying is because they are scum, that argument absolutely doesn't work. No. He said "I have no nukes, someone nuke Chez" and then "I nuked MZ." The lie isn't that he says he nuked MZ when he probably didn't, the lie is connecting his statements about wanting chez nuked towards the start of D1 for nuking xatalos with his later claiming a nuke and using it on MZ. It's a lie that everyone could see, because the posts in the thread were entirely incompatible. One sec on VA. | ||
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On July 10 2013 04:41 Alakaslam wrote: Mainly lurkers, and we've also had a couple "Oh wow, this thread moves too quickly" posts. If the same clump of people are the only active/posting folks, then it makes for a much more difficult endgame than we should be planning for.+ Show Spoiler + On July 10 2013 04:30 austinmcc wrote: TO THOSE WHO ARE UNINVOLVED/HAVING TROUBLE KEEPING UP, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO THE FOLLOWING:
This thread is large. There are lots of posts. But assuming we don't blow goats, this game will come down to your ability to read people in the thread and the thread's ability to read you (you = anyone who isn't super duper involved). Active townies will get NKed. Active scum will hopefully slip up. Some other scum/town will become apparent because of voting/roles/whatever. But then we will hit lategame and will have a few people that town couldn't read well enough to really lynch, and scum didn't find threatening enough to NK. The more you can contribute to the thread, even in weird sideways ways, the better people can read you as we approach that point and the better lategame townies will be able to read lategame folks. Please don't want until endgame to get involved or try and read the thread. You simply won't be able to. Please find some odd way to get involved now. You are talking to lurkers or everyone? I can follow the thread from my phone. But yes it's a big one! | ||
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On July 10 2013 04:42 strongandbig wrote: Austin what do you think about vayne, if you're town I want to know your read and of you're scum I want to be able to do connection analysis On July 07 2013 09:26 VayneAuthority wrote: It's probably a bad idea to do the fake nukes as it narrows down for scum who actually has a nuke when your fake nuke doesn't work. At least that's my opinion, which is probably wrong. Like this post, and it's a good touchstone if he ever flips scum. If he's scum, it indicates that any scum with nukes have to set them off in thread. On July 07 2013 09:48 VayneAuthority wrote: I'll take a raincheck on that then. I have commented on everything I found interesting so far so I guess I should close the thread now as I'm just spamming at this point. Very playful start, but some of it, like this post, reads as OVERLY playful. Small scum points. On July 08 2013 05:24 VayneAuthority wrote: ON doesn't seem like scum to me, he seems like some one that's gonna die tonight. His play reeks of PR power. Bursting with opinions but hes trying to seem like he's useless or something. That or 3rd party. Random chime-in when ... rayn asked someone else about ON. This is at a point early on where nobody was really actively discussing ON except rayn occasionally mentioning him. Sticks out as kind of out of place. On July 08 2013 11:57 VayneAuthority wrote: Ok interesting. So apparently chezinu is saying his role gives him like a hot potato nuke that keeps bouncing around that you have to send at some one else? That's a pretty interesting mechanic and I really doubt he is scum now after giving us some content. People should consolidate on Dandel or Onegu if they dont like my johnny lynch. Don't like this post. Someone, I think FirmTofu actually, also pointed it out. Generic comment on chez's claim, which VA believes but misinterprets, and VA doubts Chez is scum because chez made some claim. Bad reason to change your mind on chez (He claimed to have to shoot it off D1, not within the first tiny window, and VA says nothing about chez's reasons for nuking, which are more important than just shooting). This is, imo, a really bad reason to find Chez townie, not thought through, and looks explicitly bad. Slightly curiously, left his vote on JW for a looooooooong time. Never really followed up on JW, calls it his lynch in the above post, but really hasn't written anything about JW in forever and doesn't push him at all, despite saying things like On July 09 2013 03:41 VayneAuthority wrote: After all, it's not in either of our interests to try to convince the other that they are scum; rather efforts should be made to convince others. On July 09 2013 04:49 VayneAuthority wrote: i.e. Town's job is to convince people of their scumreads and to hop on their lynches, yet VA never pushes JW as a lynch/scumread once the day gets rolling.your job is to convince others I am scum, why do you want me to respond 0o I read it and it's all fine and dandy but you just don't know my playstyle. It's fine. Verdict - dem posts be scummy. Problem - He seems to want to/be fine with lynching DI, and one of the main features of FirmTofu's filters is him going after VA. The first half of my problems are solved by DI apparently being bus-happy (was that a DI post from a QT or was that someone else who wanted him teammates to bus him and then he might also bus back?). My read on FirmTofu is just wonky based on those two posts I dislike, but I don't love that he is scummy on VA who is scummy on a dude who is scummy. However, that can all be solved out later, and relies on flips and links, but the straight of it is that VA's posts are scummy to me, especially his asking everyone else to make cases on him/push him/convince folks, yet him never doing that himself. The finding Chez townie thing is ... not as explicitly scummy, but I don't love it. | ||
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On July 10 2013 00:13 austinmcc wrote: I'm interested in Senor Tofu I find most of his posting townie. He tries to drum up support for a VA lynch, follows up on discussions with people, and I don't think I've ever seen scum use the phrase "banana-butthole." During the lynch though, his posts stuck out to me and I disliked them. This one still triggers my scumdar. Defenses or accusations based on things that haven't happened but MIGHT are things I find scummy. I associate them with knowledge of alignments, because if you're starting from a position of not knowing alignments, you have to try and figure them out by using what has actually happened. You can't consider what might or might not happen. But if you know alignments, you may just be looking for things to justify the reads you're predisposed to have, including using things that haven't happened. This post also gave me bad feels. Maybe I play scum differently, but I'm not running away from every mislynch, especially when there are like ... 11+ people on a lynch. You're going to get more scrutiny from moving around or moving around with bad reason than you will from just going "Oh case, I sheep, ON scum" and voting once (tell me if you disagree). Maybe it's the difference in thought here, but ... this whole "I don't think there are any scum on the ON lynch" bit is so odd. If you think 11ish townies are all wanting to lynch the same guy and there is NO scum on the lynch, that indicates to me that the dude is scum. The case was made my be, still voting ON, so here Tofu is saying he thinks a townie made a case on a dude, picked up a bunch of other townie votes, had no scum voters, all of which leads him to the conclusion that the lynch is ... on a townie? I don't get that at all. Rest of filter, townie. But filter around the time of the lynch gets really scummy to me, or, at the very least, I just don't understand what he was thinking. Anyone else draw anything from those posts, especially the second one? | ||
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On July 10 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote: Working in the name of justice isn't actually all that busy. Also, "justice" is usually just "prison sucks and I'd like out."Sorry guys I'm currently busy in the name of justice. | ||
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On July 10 2013 05:19 Xatalos wrote: Can we chat about 3)? I agree - except about jampidampi. 1) It's not scummy to make a simple mistake like that (what would be the scum motive for that?) 2) His posts about your claim seemed to make sense otherwise 3) I looked through his filter earlier today and didn't find him scummy in any way, so I find him relatively townish for reasons outside of this incident The one worrying thing about him is his excessive focus on your claim. It would indeed be an easy topic for scum to appear active and contributive (without actually scumhunting). Probably worth it to keep an eye on him, but definitely not to lynch him (at least at this point). I'm interested in your finding his filter townie and why dat be, or whether you have other "reasons outside of this incident." To me, his filter IS dominated by excessive focus on the claim, and so overall I don't love the filter. Is there something in particular during the early posts that pops out to you as town? Or just his general posting on rayn. | ||
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On July 10 2013 05:40 Xatalos wrote: Okay, maybe I overestimated jampidampi's townishness. Must be because I read it after reading through the filters of players like MajuGarzett, Abenson etc. damn scummy lurkers. Anything looks good compared to that. I'd put jampidampi as null rather than townish atm. His only actually noticeable contribution to the thread so far has been that analysis of rayn's claim, which is fine, but as his ONLY real contribution... not so much. Scum could do that just as easily as town. In fact, scum might prefer to do something like that instead of scumhunting. Awwww, you better actually be town. + Show Spoiler + On July 10 2013 04:02 austinmcc wrote: Moreover, I actually find suspicious the people that came out of the woodwork JUST to talk about you and the nuke. Ace has been more or less townie to me, but spending pages and pages arguing with people for little reason actually gives me the impression that he's happy to post and muck up the thread. Jampidampi looks odd for me because he gets involved in very, very little on D1, and now half of his filter is posts about you and your claim. Your claim is easy pickings for mafia to get active, to fill filter either accusing someone of being mafia for lying (ezpz townie thing to do) or fill filter about why your lying doesn't make sense (ezpz thing to do). Right? It's an easy topic of discussion that isn't really scumhunting, isn't really moving things forward. You just give your thoughts, recycle them, argue about them, but the whole thing is meaningless and it's just a great opportunity to LOOK active. | ||
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Vayne was black on your read list, but there's been a decent bit written about him lately. FirmTofu was town on your list of reads, but he was part of a group at lynch time that you were concerned with (Although you noted that you weren't concerned with him out of the people in the group). What in particular has you town on him? | ||
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On July 10 2013 05:45 Alakaslam wrote: I will admit that I have a hard time figuring out if you're actually getting at something in particular or no. You find these pages, and the page sets you've referenced earlier, to be important because of specific posts or specific things that happen? Like...it would be helpful if you either got to where you're trying to go, or possibly changed tracks and got somewhere in general. I just can't tell what you're trying to do fully.EBWOP. Cut out some unimportant for the time-pressed. Anyone have early page suggestions? As best I can tell, but don't know explicit page numbers, good spots to look are where ACTION took place. Chez's nuke and the following calls for him to be nuked or not. Redirects/saves/claims concerning those. People's reasons for hopping on the ON wagon/off the ON wagon. | ||
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On July 10 2013 05:46 MajuGarzett wrote: Maju, pretend you work in a nuke factory.I would also be down for a lynch on VA for the reasons I gave earlier as well austin's case. I don't suspect FirmToufu so that's not a problem for me. FirmTofu may have been against DI's lynch but that lynch did move pretty fast so I think that action is caution rather than trying to save his scum buddy. FT has also done a good amount of analysis. Rayn asked me for some specific reads so here: WoS nuke redirect I don't find scummy because if he was scum the only reason for a redirect would be to gain credit which could only be done by redirecting the nuke to scum.Also, I really doubt that he would save a scum buddy like that as if one of them dies the other is sure to be caught. WoS was also accepted that Rayn's nuke claim didn't make sense for scum quite early. I think if WoS was scum he would have tried to pressure Rayn a bit more. So WoS is probably town. MZ is town, I don't have any evidence to the contrary and neither does anyone else I've seen. I still suspect Onegu. Looking at his filter the only read he's given is repeating Xata is 100% town. He's said this 3 times so far and uses it as an excuse to sheep. Rayn's claim doesn't make sense for scum so I don't suspect him. Best lynch targets are VA, Onegu, and DI. Who do you give your first nuke to, someone who is townie and you trust to do townie stuff with it? Who would you give a nuke to if you want it in townie hands, but want to shake up the thread, have them do something odd with it that might spark discussion/hit scum with a longshot? Who would you nuke with a nuke that just causes the person to post all their thoughts? | ||
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It's like posting that there are scum in this game and we should find them. It's true, but we know that. If there's something specific that you want to get into within those pages, bring it up. If there's someone who addressed those pages in a weird way or not at all, and you want to point that out, bring it up. But just noting that those pages exist and are important doesn't really affect the thread. | ||
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On July 10 2013 06:04 Alakaslam wrote: Because you have referenced sets of pages now 6 times Please. Some people may not want to/ have time to read whole thread, scum will make it longer and longer so they play from behind and suck. This is an effort to catch them up. -_- how is that being captain obvious. I'm not statin they exist, I am saying they are important pages with important events that no town should miss.  I agree that people are missing and will miss important stuff. But repeating that just clogs the thread with even MORE posts. If you want to constantly remind people of important pages, just stick a spoiler at the bottom of all your posts with pages that you think are very important, but save your actual posting for new stuff. DI is banned in relation to stuff that came out of Basterd Mafia. Not clear whether it would have really affected his play here or not. | ||
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On July 10 2013 07:22 Xatalos wrote: DI popped in at multiple times, but contributed nothing and didn't make an attempt to. Specifically, he popped in towards the end of D1, when he was a viable lynch candidate, but didn't put any effort into doing thangs and then dipped out again.DI still seems to fit better as scum (meta) but considering all the crap that was happening in Basterd, it's possible that his lack of motivation was through that as well. So I'd much rather lynch one of the above mentioned four. The justice stuff recently may be tied to Basterd, and he may have been less motivated to play than normal, but the specific behavior at the end of D1 seems far, far, far more likely to indicate scum DI than anything else. | ||
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On July 10 2013 07:29 Xatalos wrote: With the caveat that holy balls nobody should be nuking at the start of the day when I believe everything we've seen has to be launched with more than 12 hours remaining.Good night now. If you feel the urge to nuke, I see zero sense in nuking someone other than Ace/austin/Abenson/MajuGarzett/DI/Stutters695/Ghost_403. Maybe jampidampi. DI might be okay just to save our time for someone we could actually pressure. Saving some nukes might be a good idea too. That's a BOATLOAD of discussion that might influence nuke targeting. Not only that, but I see...8 names on that list? Which is more than 1/3 the playerbase. Go back to the townie posts and not the "Hey guys, prematurely fire nukes into this enormous list kkthx" posts. | ||
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NOBODY should go off nuking willy-nilly. Best option is for anyone with a nuke today to claim it, and we'll use it as a bonus lynch (Definitely if you HAVE to nuke, possibly if you just have one). Why? Cuz. We know from D1 that scum or 3P have nukes, see the nuke on MZ if not more. We know based on MZ's flip that scum has nuke factories (no reason to give town a role that shuts down nuke factories if there aren't any non-town nuke factories). HA. LOOK AT DEM TOWNIE THOUGHTS, FIGGERIN' OUT STUFF. SO. What we'd like to do is be able to separate out townie nukes from scum nukes. It's possible all scum nukes are silent, and if that's the case, then boo. But! BUT! If scum nukes, or nukes from scum factories, have to be let off in thread, then by forcing nukers to claim and having nukes go off according to town's will, rather than the nuker's will, we: (1) Control any possible mafia nukes that have to be used in thread (Go off nuking on your own = scum) (2) Keep SOME shenanigans from occurring (mafia/town has been saying dude x is scummy, nukes dude x without discussing with town) The more control we have over nukes, the better. Yes, it limits your ability to be a hero/throw a nuke wherever you want, but...see D1. The ability to use nukes as extra lynches AND restrict scum options, even just a little bit, is better for town than random people YOLO nuking. At the very least, if anyone feels differently, thinks this is NOT a good idea, please to speak. But popping off nukes whenever you feel like it is generally bad, and lets mafia shoot their own nukes wherever they'd like as long as they can just say they thought the dude was scummy. | ||
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On July 10 2013 17:03 Xatalos wrote: austinmcc, you asked a lot of reads from me yesterday. But what's YOUR read on Ace? What are your top scumreads? Ace is fine by me, the only thing I've found scummy is how he continued arguing with rayn and everone during the night. Not enough to want to lynch him today. | ||
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On July 10 2013 23:29 Koshi wrote: I ll try and do my best to understand this game fully soonishly. Welcome aboard and if you manage to understand this game fully, please share. | ||
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I'm...kind of interested in where you slot your reads within a specific group. In this post I half-mentioned rayn's plan, and I posted my suspicions about FirmTofu, specifically those two posts that I found scummy. Very next post is you: On July 10 2013 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah seems kinda like he has extra info. And just adding JUST IN CASE stuff to look active. scummy man. Which implies that you kind of like my thoughts, and find FirmTofu scummy. At best, you say nothing about me, but are worried about the FirmTofu posts I was worried about, and are scummy on FT. But zen we come to zees post: On July 10 2013 09:16 Oatsmaster wrote: You wake up, and are now scummy enough on me to vote, despite never actually mentioning me before. rayn's reads must be very, very convincing. Do you actually agree with his reasoning? Por que? You also question FirmTofu about jampidampi, and then later about me: + Show Spoiler +Ace, if dandel is replaced, do you still want to lynch that slot? Austin looking like scum because rayn's reads are good and cause he asked me about why I used 1 shot yesterday and never drew any conclusions. Fake activity. ##vote Austin Firmtofu, basically you think jampi scumslipped right? On July 10 2013 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm. Thoughts on Austin Firmtofu? I find all this curious, because before sleeping you were scummy on FirmTofu, and didn't indicate any read on me (yes, I know the rayn post and me not following up on your power usage occurred after my post on FirmTofu, but it's odd for your read to spring up overnight). When FirmTofu gives youa read on jampi, you answer with: On July 10 2013 10:04 Oatsmaster wrote: I feel that the jampi case has too much speculation in it. Do you think he is scum if you ignore the nuke thing? Here's mah problem with all that. You found FirmTofu scummy. Then you asked him about jampidampi and myself. I don't know if you noticed my own jampidampi thoughts or not, but he's one of the folks I actually think came out looking bad from rayn's shennanies. You may disagree with FT's jampi post directly, think there's too much speculation, but you don't ACTUALLY seem interested in jampidampi because (1) you never give your own thoughts directly and (2) you seem to ignore every other post on jampidampi, and there had recently been a couple. You're focused only on FT's post. So plox to enlighten us with what you actually think about myself, FirmTofu, jampidampi, and heck, throw in VA while you're at it, because he's kind of connected in the reads that myself and FirmTofu have given. It's not damning, but your hopping around here looks scummy to me, because it doesn't seem like you've got real reads and you're just floating around. | ||
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Whatever else DI may have been doing, he was around at points in this game, and didn't even make an effort to impact the game at all. Especially popping in towards the end of D1 and not even trying to shift the lynch/make sure it stayed shifted looks bad, because I have never known him to be that uninvolved/carefree. Regardless of the justice/ban stuff, he put no effort into doing anything, nor even into dropping a post saying "Super busy with this other thing, don't lynch me kkbai." | ||
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You call out Ace for doing jack shit, but I haven't really seen you do anything other than stop a nuke D1. You say this: On July 11 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote: But I had suspicions of FirmTofu because of his posts around the D1 lynch. Had nothing to do with the fake nuke thing, and when you found him scummy there was nothing about FirmTofu and the fake nuke thing.Ace is doing jack shit and it worries me. Austin, I woke up, caught up, decided that Firmtofu wasnt actually scummy for the fake nuke thing, its just speculation. And that therefore, with 2 bullshit cases, and the random advice for not much reason, I think you are scum. Im waiting for jampis response to case by FT. I havent read VA that much if at all If you think my cases are bullshit, then you didn't follow the D1 lynch and you're not following the timing of the game at all. If you think I'm giving random advice, rather than advice that limits mafia's options and trying to set up a plan for how town is going to approach nukes/nuking this game, you are a sillybilly. And this: On July 11 2013 00:34 Oatsmaster wrote: I am willing to give dandels replacement a chance to play the game since dandel didnt. is even more sillybilly-esque. Nobody KEPT DI from playing the game, he chose not to. He chose to do nothing that would affect the game, despite checking in from time to time. That's a conscious decision, and it says something about his alignment. The fact that you cast it aside and don't see it as AT ALL telling on his alignment, despite having played with him, despite him almost getting lynched, and despite all the posts that people having dug up on how scum DI plays/thinks...well, that doesn't look good for you. You're either mafia or you're choosing not to actually read and participate in this game, skating by on having saved someone from a nuke. | ||
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On July 11 2013 01:00 Oatsmaster wrote: So far, yeah, it's been useless. Do you think it's not a good idea for people who can't keep up with the thread to try and participate? Do you think that it's a good idea for town to exert majority control over nukes, using them as extra lynches?Dude. Advice given so far has been useless. Your post on FirmTofu was about the claim not the fake nuke, my apologies but my point still stands. D1 you lynched town, it looks like you want to lynch another townread of mine again. Now is austin bad? No. So therefore you are scum. I firmly believe that dandel would play to win unless he really couldnt so I dont feel that its alignment indicative. D1 I lynched town, yup. The plurality did too, I heard it wasn't just me. (1) Holy balls I have lynched plenty of townies. I think in my last town game I mainly wanted to lynch town iamp. I think in one of my more recent towngames I basically ONLY wanted to lynch townies, whatever that one was that we both played in and I just argued with marv. (2) Moreover, if you think DI is town, then you think that with the lynch looking like it was going to be on DI D1, I posted that ON case and voted ON and caused a stir just to lynch a different townie. That's fine, that's solid play in my mind, but if I needed to look active/townie, there might have been better ways to get active than writing that case and getting a townie lynched. (3) If you think DI's absence is NOT alignment indicative, then how do you have a townread on him? | ||
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If I'm gonna give useless advice, I can make up useless advice all day. But if the advice is town-favored, maybe that's important, whether other people are taking it or not. However, if you'll note, ain't nobody fired off no nukes yet today. Maybe my advice is useless, maybe it's not. | ||
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On July 11 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont have dandel as a townread, where the fuck do you get that? Austin, maybe scum aint got a nuke so your advice doesnt affect your team. Can you explain how Im scum if I think you are scum? OMGUS much? On July 11 2013 01:00 Oatsmaster wrote: D1 you lynched town, it looks like you want to lynch another townread of mine again. I want to lynch DI --> xigxag. Assumed this was referring to him. If scum doesn't have nukes, THEN WHY DOES MZ HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO SHUT DOWN NUKE FACTORIES? You think that MZ, as town, can shut down nuke factories, but only town has the ability to produce nukes? The fact that a town role does that means anti-town forces have that. Scum not having nukes in this game would be like nobody having alignments in a DT game, or there being no KP in a game with medics. The role wouldn't exist in a regular game unless it could be used in a way that benefits town. Again, you're not reading the game closely enough. I don't care if you think i'm scummy. I think that if I'm your TOP scumread, you're either really not paying attention or you're scum. It's not pure OMGUS, it's more...you are asking people for a lot of reads, and giving out very very little content that you yourself generate, whole cloth. You pop me out as your top scumread just because you like rayn's reads, which you never actually discuss before magically arriving at me as top scumread. You don't seem to care that there is a legitimate argument that rayn's reads were constructed in a wonky manner, made by multiple people. | ||
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On July 11 2013 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote: The thread. You should read it. It is good to read. I dunno dude, there have been millers with no cops. Speculation is bad. What is the legitimate argument that rayns reads are bad? However, I will be nice and help you out: On July 10 2013 04:02 austinmcc wrote: I think that if this was actually your plan then...I dunno, respect. It's delightfully ridiculous. But mafia, as noted above, really likes killing townies. And townies really like lynching liars/people who make no sense. Therefore mafia really likes it when townies lie, because that means they can get mislynches. A mafia team that doesn't love making townies really want to lynch townies is...not a winning mafia team. So no, I didn't chime in with how this didn't make any sense, wondering why you'd want chez nuked and nuke MZ. Other people did. I didn't chime in with why would you lie, because other people did. I didn't chime in with why claim the nuke if you're lying mafia, therefore, aren't you some kind of lying town, because other people did. Moreover, I actually find suspicious the people that came out of the woodwork JUST to talk about you and the nuke. Ace has been more or less townie to me, but spending pages and pages arguing with people for little reason actually gives me the impression that he's happy to post and muck up the thread. Jampidampi looks odd for me because he gets involved in very, very little on D1, and now half of his filter is posts about you and your claim. Your claim is easy pickings for mafia to get active, to fill filter either accusing someone of being mafia for lying (ezpz townie thing to do) or fill filter about why your lying doesn't make sense (ezpz thing to do). Right? It's an easy topic of discussion that isn't really scumhunting, isn't really moving things forward. You just give your thoughts, recycle them, argue about them, but the whole thing is meaningless and it's just a great opportunity to LOOK active. Besides the whole lie as town to get somewhere thing, which I think should be used very, very sparingly if at all, I think your conclusions are ... wrong. I disagree that mafia gets confused by this. I think it presents a strong opportunity for scum to get active in the thread. On July 10 2013 04:13 austinmcc wrote: What I care about is the conclusions you draw. You think that mafia should be confused/afraid of your claim, when I believe that mafia would love the opportunity to jump on someone who has lied in thread, call them out, call for their lynch. You think that mafia would avoid discussing your claim, when I think that it's fertile grounds for mafia to get active about something. "Why did rayn lie/is rayn lying/is rayn scum/what is going on" is just another topic to talk about that isn't QUITE scumhunting. It's slightly closer to scumhunting than setup talk, balance talk, and that jazz, but it's still fluff discussion that doesn't really get towards finding a scumteam. You had some motivation to do what you did, you had some post you were waiting to reveal, until that point it's all kind of useless chatter that just serves to make people APPEAR useful. Again, the reaction that I would find scummy is not the people who do nothing with your claim, but people who fill their filter with nothing except talk about your claim (jampidampi) or people who jump on you as scummy despite doing little other scumhunting (haven't gone back to look at this) or ... Ace, because he knows better and generally stays out of threads. On July 10 2013 05:19 Xatalos wrote: The one worrying thing about him is his excessive focus on your claim. It would indeed be an easy topic for scum to appear active and contributive (without actually scumhunting). Probably worth it to keep an eye on him, but definitely not to lynch him (at least at this point). On July 10 2013 05:40 Xatalos wrote: I'd put jampidampi as null rather than townish atm. His only actually noticeable contribution to the thread so far has been that analysis of rayn's claim, which is fine, but as his ONLY real contribution... not so much. Scum could do that just as easily as town. In fact, scum might prefer to do something like that instead of scumhunting. | ||
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On July 11 2013 01:57 Ace wrote: Oats gettin served. austin what do you think about the voting wagon for ON? you started it but a lot of people piled on into an innocent flip. You think anyone on the wagon is scum that just hopped on to your case? It picked up quickly, I think with some legitimate votes just because there wasn't really anything pulling votes together at that time. I would imagine that there's scum on it, but don't know for sure. DI doing nothing and apparently being very bus-happy as scum kind of complicates this one, because if he's scum it's quite possible a lot of scum stayed on him D1 and didn't even need to switch: either they lynch DI, scum, and look decent, or the lynch is on ON, a townie, and they're not involved and look alright. Need to go back and see whose vote just absolutely didn't move from DI, those people worth looking at if he flips scum. Need to go back and see who was swapping around for...middling reasons. I dunno about you, but I normally am fine with people who 100% swap votes for no real reason or pure sheep, and slightly more suspicious of people who try to justify the switch, but have weak/odd justifications. Haven't yet looked into it tbh, but it's on the agenda. | ||
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On July 11 2013 02:49 johnnywup wrote: What do you feel are some of the most damning things about Ace's play? Like...gimme 3 or so, even if you just refer to another post on him.I don't know. But it doesn't make any sense from scum POV, because a strong case is being formed against Ace and it looks like him getting lynched is a possibility. So case 1: He's scum. Scum wouldn't shoot him, obviously, so only possibility is town shooting him. Case 2: He's town. Scum wouldn't shoot him because it looks like he might actually get lynched. So only possibility is town shooting him. As of now, I disagree with saying ace might get lynched, at least today. It's possible he could end up lynched on D3 or D4, but if I were scum opposite him, I don't really want to wait on possible lynches days down the road. Maybe he's particularly scummy, which I'm also not crazy feeling, but I dunno that an Ace lynch is gonna hit critical mass today with DI aroundish. (Moreover, CRAAAAAAAAAAZY speculation time - it's entirely possible there's a 3P with nukes/random nukes/fake nukes/whatever) | ||
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On July 11 2013 07:03 Xatalos wrote: I will mostly agree with this if I didn't have my role PM. Some thoughts:Hmm. I have a hard time accepting that Oatsmaster would be scum (saved me unnecessarily D1) and you town (with you doing nothing D1, then launching the lynch on ON and immediately starting to back off from it, then almost completely ignoring rayn's fakeclaim... yeah, the list goes on). With that said, that exchange looked like you were figuring out stuff while Oatsmaster was just... being pretty defensive and posting one-liners (and his stance on DI felt a bit confusing). If I had to look at just that single exchange, without looking at anything else, I'd say that you were town and Oatsmaster scum. Maybe town&town, that's possible. Probably not scum&scum though, unless it was some carefully crafted strategy to put distance between two scum (unlikely). But with THAT said, I don't have to look at just that single exchange, and maybe Oatsmaster had a bad day and you were putting in a lot of effort to look town. I find it especially hard to believe that scum Oatsmaster would use his anti-nuke to save me D1.
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(1) Assuming somewhat normal balance, I'd expect a more veteran-y player in the mix. Game with MZ, Ace, snb, Chez, ghost, all around a good while and MZ/Ace/Chez for a very long while, yet none of them on the scumteam? (2) I end up just looking at people that are somewhat active. So many hard lurkers that we probably have scum in the group and just don't know where. Perhaps larger scumteam, some of those reads surely off, and there's the possibility of 3P(s). This lynch is gonna suck if DI is actually 3P and not scum, could be one reason everyone willing to jump on him - he's not playing town game but mafia not even caring about bussing, they just know he's not with them. | ||
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On July 11 2013 07:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: ON was lynched with 11 votes, DI had 8. Within the last 20 minutes, at least 3 voters (too lazy to click back a page) hopped on ON, and only one of them hopped off DI.But then why did everyone jump off of him? A few mafia could've stayed on Dandel to build street cred if and when OriginalName flipped town. Unless I'm mistaken, virtually everyone switched to ON. So at 20 to deadline, it was 9-8 for DI, and then at deadline only 11-8 for ON. Still a heavy vote on him. Some votes didn't move due to people not being around it looks like, but only 2 people ever budged off DI. And one of em ended up on VA, not on either real target. On July 09 2013 07:00 s0Lstice wrote: TARGET LOCKED IN. FINAL COUNT. geript (0): johnnywup (0): Chezinu (2): WaveofShadow (0): Onegu (1): austinmcc (0): raynepelikoneet (0): Z-BosoN (0): Dandel Ion (8): strongandbig, Meapak_Ziphh, Nirvana.Gabo (1): Oatsmaster, ghost_403 (0): VayneAuthority (2): CaucasianAsian (1): Oatsmaster (0): jampidampi (0): OriginalName (11): austinmcc, Alakaslam (0): TARGET: OriginalName has been obliterated! | ||
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On July 11 2013 08:40 Ace wrote: Maaaaan, how come your reads aren't my read. I don't like xatalos for mafia, and I don't really think Onegu is scum, based on the roles that make sense for him to be kind of sort of dancing around having.me of course and then Xalatos, DI/Xig/, Onegu for now. Special moments: The ON lynch, rayne's fake claim, and the early nukes Day 1. | ||
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For one, he really...stays on target. D1 he talks about JW some, Chez a good bit, xatalos a small amount, and Alakaslam. He follows Alakaslam throughout the game so far, interacting with him. At no point does he like...hop off to talk about DI, about ON, other stuff. From what he said he and Alakaslam have played before, so it appears to me that he's focused on trying to figure out what he knows/has seen before - Alakaslam's alignment. I don't see scum being so limited in scope, or following the same couple trains of thought throughout the thread. Too many opportunities to jump over, talk about DI, talk about ON, talk about VA/FirmTofu/me/Oats/anyone else who's been under any suspicion. So his role, the way his posts read and his interest in things reads, and this. This is not a mafia post, no way no how. | ||
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On July 11 2013 09:54 Ace wrote: If a townie nuked you I hope they read this post and feel bad.Well I want Stutters to chime in on this too. I'm not calling Onegu scum, he was one of the guys I pointed out on the wagon earlier and I went through his filter. Lets see what Stutters comes up with. also he is a notorious lurker. better give him as much stuff to contribute while he is around. | ||
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On July 11 2013 10:30 Ace wrote: Yeah, if you think that.oooo I see, it was on Xat. Which would mean he stopped a nuke on his scum buddy if you believe Xat to be scum? Also we don't know if Town does not have 2 anti-nukes. Some people believe hidden nukes can come from Town. Lets wait to see what the hosts post before doing anything. It was the chez nuke on xat. So if you think xat's scum, that's a thing. Even if you don't think xat's a town, either Chez's comments about how he didn't know what his nuke did, maybe it was fake/buffed a player, or xat's comments about being able to survive some nukes, could cause you to think that's a good defense target as it's not entirely certain the dude would die. WoS was the guy who redirected the MZ nuke to NG, and then has been kinda absenty today. | ||
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On July 11 2013 10:45 VayneAuthority wrote: How would you interpret the votes if Maju is town? Scum?get rid of Majugarzett ace so we can analyze the votes halfway through the day, he's a good target. | ||
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On July 11 2013 10:59 austinmcc wrote: Above to VA.Currently not voting Maju are... Tofu, Oats, austinmcc, sentinel, Chezinu. If we determined right now that maju was scum, and that list of five people became fairly suspicious to you, who comes out looking incredibly incredibly scummy to you (/w reasoning if you would) and who looks bad for the vote, but probably isn't scum and just happened to not be voting Maju? | ||
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On July 11 2013 11:06 johnnywup wrote: I'm out for the night, but this post actually reads very very very townie to mecould you give more reasoning behind defending ace besides "he is active"? On July 11 2013 09:54 Ace wrote: At this point, Ace knows he's getting nuked. Unless he and oats are both scum, he thinks he's gonna die at end of day, or should think that as far as we know.Well I want Stutters to chime in on this too. I'm not calling Onegu scum, he was one of the guys I pointed out on the wagon earlier and I went through his filter. Lets see what Stutters comes up with. also he is a notorious lurker. better give him as much stuff to contribute while he is around. He's still doing stuff even while thinking he's gonna die though, which indicates he wants to leave town with more information. If he's scum and gets nuked, then who cares, he has no reason to give reads/question people, because when he flips scum nobody will trust his posts anyhowz. But also like...I interpreted this post as giving scum reads, and was trying to engage Ace about it. His response, that he's trying to get stutters into the thread, giving reads, is a townie response imo. More stutters posts equals slightly easier to read stutters, and easier-to-read players are good for town. The fact that he's just trying to coax out activity, rather than discuss his own read and what it might be, should be coming from a townie point of view. Ace also perfectly capable of doing townie stuff, or having his buddies do townie stuff, as scum. But the speed of his response made the post feel legitimate, not like he was plotting out the most townie-sounding response. | ||
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I don't think someone being immune one = them being town. I actually thought Onegu was crumbing some kind of radiation medic, he seemed to know how radiation worked, how it killed, but claimed no nuke. That role seemed very townie to me. For no raisin, I'm assuming that with some of these roles that exist in multiples, some of there were assigned to scum. But if we start seeing 3 people claiming 48-hour unstable nukes, immune ones, defense grids, etc. then I think it's ALMOST a listcheck saying someone in that bunch is scum. Immune one a perfectly fine mafia role tbh, if they have any radiation nukes they can drop em on townies OR on a known immune one and use it as extra KP from thereon out, irradiating people. As best as I can tell...Ace is not nuked anymore, and was given a nuke by an unknown. Maju had a nuke, and used it on jampi? He did not claim it until recently, and did not say whether he has had it the whole time or how it came into being? And also...sentinel nuked DI/XigXag, but did not claim from whence his nuke came? Is that...the nuking story as it sits right now? | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:26 geript wrote: Talk to sleeping austin and working austin about that. You people make me sad.... but I like this post. I had the idea of a using the roles as a listcheck, but I'm pretty sure artanis is a bastard host so it wouldn't be that worthwhile. Lotta stuff went down in a small period of time. I don't care whether artanis is a bastard host or not, some of these roles most certainly exist on both sides (or people are just fake claiming). For instance, in game where ZERO people have claimed radiation nukes, we have 3-4 people claiming immune one. I read that as some people fake claiming, and an indicator that radiation nukes are a scum (possibly 3P) mechanic. OP also has to go and say "many types of nukes," which may or may not be artanis getting cheeky, but indicates that there should be more than just nukes and radiation nukes. I dunno, I found jampidampi's response to rayn's stuff very scummy. I haven't gone back over all this recent maju stuff, but ... I don't think I'd save him if it were me. Don't believe we've got 4 town immune ones, although maybe 1/2 the thread dies of radiation poisoning tonight and we realize it's a bigger mechanic than we thought. | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:40 geript wrote: I'll take a peeky.@Austin. Imma go take a lunch break and get the oil in my car changed. Mind reading up on FT. You seeing what I'm seeing or am I just being me? | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:42 austinmcc wrote: I dunno if we see that same thing, but here's stuff I see in order of how much I see it:I'll take a peeky. (1) D1/N1 FirmTofu has about 1.5 pages of filter of posts. D2 he's posted somewhat more, but really EXPLODED into posting since all this nuking stuff came to light last night (US time) and today At first I actually found that super suspicious, because all of a sudden he's leaping into thread, directing actions, being much much more decisive. D1 his scum reads jump all over the place, he doesn't always provide reasoning, his posts are just kind of part of his thoughts and never really tied together. Now the whole world is going to end based on what happens with certain nukes and claims. (2) He's ... got a thing with claiming. And I don't get it. Doesn't trust ON's claim and thinks VA is scum, in part, for trusting Chez's claim: + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 17:38 FirmTofu wrote: Holy banana-butthole, did anyone catch this? Why would Vayne... 1) ...automatically believe Chez when Chez explains what his role is. 2) ...confirm Chez as a town-read because Chez explained his role mechanics. 3) ...consider an "interesting mechanic" to be "content" We need to lynch this guy ASAP. On July 09 2013 06:19 FirmTofu wrote: I don't see how ON's roleclaim is at all alignment indicative. Scum could just as easily have the same role so if his claim changes your opinion of him, I find that very suspicious. But yet Alakaslam's claim is 100% trustworthy and makes him town: + Show Spoiler + On July 11 2013 14:12 FirmTofu wrote: Why the fuck did you roleclaim because Ace asked you a completely harmless question? God damn it Alakaslam... On July 11 2013 14:12 FirmTofu wrote: Why the fuck did you roleclaim because Ace asked you a completely harmless question? God damn it Alakaslam... While Onegu's claim is both nonsensical and then super townie and trustworthy: + Show Spoiler + On July 11 2013 15:02 FirmTofu wrote: Are you serious? His roleclaim doesn't make any sense. What do you think his role is supposed to do and why would you assume he is town automatically? Let's analyze this shit! On July 11 2013 15:04 FirmTofu wrote: PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: Do Not Nuke Alakaslam Or Onegu On July 11 2013 15:09 FirmTofu wrote: Nah, he's almost confirmed town at this point. All of his posts are consistent with his claim. Unless he was planning to claim this until early Day 1, I don't see him lying about this. I'm gonna stop just pulling posts. He has gone role CRAZY. Ace is lying because of roles. You and oats can confirm each other or not confirm each other off of roles. He's finishing for number of shots. Hates jampi and snb's claims. AAAAAAAAAH. It's just so much nonsense. It's too nonsensical to really just look plain ol' scummy, but it looks like he just dove off the deep end. Trusting things randomly, distrusting others randomly, trying to get certain people lynched/nuked when he was more timid D1. (3)Has magical extra knowledge about radiation? On July 11 2013 17:12 FirmTofu wrote: I think you will be notified, but you might want to ask the host to make sure. I'm thinking you two should be visiting each other until you get the notification(assuming Artanis confirms). (Might want to ask the hosts to make sure indicates FirmTofu hasn't asked the hosts, doesn't actually have a way to know this) My takeaway is that it's all wonky and makes no sense but not explicitly in a scummy manner. All of a sudden once things picked up today he gets really, really involved, but that may just be because of a particular role or the people involved interest him or whatever. Way way way more involved than the DI/ON lynch. I dunno, I'm slightly fried, are you coming to particular conclusions about his change in posting? | ||
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On July 12 2013 03:58 geript wrote: ...................Because I'm going to shoot it down. Here's the full situation with Jampi: 1. He's town and the nuke lands. Yay he's town!!! However, we have an infinite vig or something akin to it, but it's in the hands of a lurky bad player. That's bad news bears. 2. He's town and I shoot the nuke down. Yay he's town!!! But we don't have to deal with him gaining powers. 3. He's scum and the nuke lands. YAY he fake claimed and got shot in the face!!!! 4. He's scum and the nuke lands but makes him awesome. BOOOOH we've just superpowered scum. 5. He's scum and the gets shot down. We don't know he's scum, but he's easily lynchable and don't superpower him. Of the situations where the nuke lands, only 1 is good for us and I don't think Jampi was fake claiming. Of the situations where the nuke doesn't land, all of them are better for us. Pretty simple really. And yes, I'm assuming all nukes are radiation nukes. As a matter of fact: ##defend jampidampi Let's get a lynch contest going. | ||
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You assume he becomes "superpowered," which people keep saying, but I don't think that word means what they think it means. Nobody yet has claimed to gain superpowers from being nuked, and that makes no sense. You assume there's an "infinite vig" for no reason. You just...the whole situation is still the same. Now what, we lynch him? And he either flips town or scum. You didn't do anything but kick a can down the road, as far as my initial thoughts play out. Going "we don't know if he's town or scum" is meaningless, because we still don't, and ....... whargl blargl. That's about it. | ||
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On July 12 2013 04:09 geript wrote: Yes, there is absolutely no downside to presenting an extra lynch option to the thread with 3 hours left to play in a game full of lurk.Except now people have to decide who they want to lynch instead of bandwagoning. So we actually get information. Besides, look at Jampi's first post. He's suspicious of Maju. No way in hell Maju fires a nuke at fellow scum unless it's in their benefit (in which case we want it stopped). There's literally no detriment to this play. Moreover, your entire reasoning for doing this was flawed on a NUMBER of fronts. Where flawed = you are making assumptions that are almost certainly false. It's done, we'll deal with it, but...I do not and almost certainly will not believe this was a good play. | ||
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On July 12 2013 04:30 Ace wrote: Very little on D1. After rayn's bit, jampidampi explodes in posting.How is it likely that jamp is scum? Explain this. Nothing else interested him, but that does, and he posts a good bit, some big posts on it. To me, that was a signal that he either sees an easy townie to throw dirt on, OR (and I don't think I really love this, but it's a thought) he knows that rayn is lying and is actively involved in the unclaimed nuke, therefore...interested in its being claimed by another person? He goes from very little --> posting all sorts of stuff about rayn --> nothing else. Beyond that, his post-nuke play is to get pissed at being nuked, fine, but then not do much. He calls out maju as a "terrible nuker," notes that maju nuked him over maju's own biggest scumread, but he doesn't...do anything with that. All his post-nuke posts are just "buncha people claimed unstable nukes, why not a bunch of immune ones" and "gumshoe gone for a long time, why not nuke him instead?" | ||
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On July 12 2013 04:39 Ace wrote: Was on DI, but now he's getting nuked. in a rush but @austin: why the vote for jamp? I may have missed it but explain it to me. Who were you going to vote for originally? I should be back before deadline Have been scummy on jampi all day, moreso than on maju. Maju actually was kinda null for me. There's been this recent rash of talk about him, but frankly, all the claims and power usages are making it hard to zero in on what posts I like and dislike in the last 18 hours or so. Given that jampi hasn't done anything to assuage my scumread...happy to vote there for now. If I can get my head on straight and make sense of things that may change. | ||
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On July 12 2013 05:10 FirmTofu wrote: This is false, misleading, and in general theme with a lot of your recent posts. If you can, try to ignore all the claims and all the everything else and just scumhunt normally.Anyone voting maju has to believe that there are at least 4 town-sided immune ones in the game. Do you seriously believe this? Maybe there are boatloads of immune ones, maybe there aren't. But we don't know which are town and which are scum, and nobody's claim magically makes them town or scum. We should not be using our second lynch of the game as some kind of speculative poke into a group of people claiming a role. We should be using it to lynch someone we think is scum. Why is maju NOT scum? | ||
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On July 12 2013 05:12 geript wrote: The timing is butt. But...he was the leading lynch candidate, and had picked up 3 votes within the last chunk.Ok. So Maju's filter actually has some bits of trying to analyze and stuff. Jampi's only analysis is pretty much confined to the Rayn stuff which is pretty worthless. Jampi's response to the nuke is definitely not towny, but it's about as much as I would expect from a player like Jampi or IamP. The point is though that Maju literally was at no point trying to decide who to nuke. There's nothing there which even points to that. He doesn't even want to "take credit" for his nuke in getting others opinions almost at the last second. That doesn't add up. If he thinks he's actually going to die, and has a nuke, the TOWNIE thing to do is to go "holy balls I have 2 hours town who should I fire this at." The SCUMMY thing to do is fire at whoever he'd like, a strong townie, given that he thinks he's going to die. Except I think all of this is kind of blown apart by the fact we had multiple missile defense claims so scum can't obvi-nuke someone with time left in day and expect it to work just fine. I dunno, gut read is that asking frigging town for where to send a nuke is NOT scummy behavior. Not saying he had a nuke earlier is, but...town controlling things is generally in town's favor. | ||
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On July 12 2013 05:18 geript wrote: He never claimed unstable. Go look at his filter. He claimed that it was unstable and that's why he fired it. On July 11 2013 13:40 MajuGarzett wrote: In most games, you have to use nukes like 12 hours before deadline, to make sure hosts see the post, get the nuke notification in thread, people can respond, etc.Ok guys I have a nuke. Since it seems I might be lynched I have to use it by 10:00 GMT (+00:00) or the town loses a kill for nothing. Who should I nuke? From what he posted, I read that as "I am currently the leading lynch candidate. I have a nuke. If I wait until less than 12 hours until deadline and get lynched, I will die and the nuke with me. Therefore, I want to launch this in time to get it off, so that if I die town will at least have gotten value from my nuke." While focusing on defense and NOT getting lynched is probably a better route, he never said word 1 about the nuke being unstable, and I think that was a general "You can't launch nukes last second" prohibition | ||
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On July 12 2013 05:41 geript wrote: ok so Xat, let's talk about maju vs jampi. Maju: 1. Both town/scum reasoning for launching nuke neutral 2. Both town/scum reasoning for nuke target (seeking approval for if it will land vs confirming for a solid target) neutral 3. Original points for voting Onegu are super weak scummy 4. Continues to attack Onegu for thinking Chezinu scum based on reasoning that quite possibly makes Chezinue scum -- makes no sense as town scummy 5. continued tunneling without any sort of progression on the read scummy 6. Out of the nowhere suspicion on Jampi scummy Xat would you agree with this analysis of his filter? On July 12 2013 05:58 geript wrote: Jampi: 1. Seems to know that Rayn didn't fire the mystery nuke (scum) but provides ok reasoning for it neutral 2. Brings up valid points on the Maju nuke after his "death nuke" towny 3. Most of his filter is about the rayn-nuke situation scummy I don't think you can break it down like this, at least if you're doing the above to say "Vote maju!" maju votes onegu for weak reasons in your points above. What about jampi's D1 votes? Are they unimportant? Do you know where they went and why? Is tunneling more or less scummy than just not doing ANYTHING about scumreads? | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:40 Z-BosoN wrote: My good sir, for someone who was unaware that deadline was approaching and voted on the basis of cookies, you are markedly active/opinionated.Judging a lynch by the people in it is not a good play, most of the time. Perhaps this time would be well-used reading maju and jampi to come to your own conclusion. Or ... telling us how you feel about the replacement crew? | ||
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On July 12 2013 08:12 Z-BosoN wrote: Replaced into Chrono Triggeraustinmcc can you please post a couple of games where you were scum? Rolled scum in Aperture 2, Personality 2, PTP 4 Them's all my scum games. Of particular note is the lack of Nuclear Winter on that list. | ||
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On July 13 2013 07:38 Stutters695 wrote: Ace your nuke is fake. Here's my real role PM. I changed it to only sometimes fake to try and get NK'd to stop it but I got a PM saying it got raided and destroyed so no need for that anymore. You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. I still hate this claim. It still involves nuke types. It uses...different wording than any of the other nuke producers, although they were all technicians and you're not claiming that. Everyone else's role is also a person, medic/technician/protestor/immune one, whereas your role would be a...physical location. To the folks who are missile defense systems, are you a location or are you like "Missile Defense Operator" or some sort of person-y sounding thing? + Show Spoiler + For reference on the language: You are a North-Korean Technician! Working for best Korea, you produce one nuke per two cycles. You may PM me to whom you would like to give the nuke. Your first nuke will be done on night 2. You are a North-Korean Technician! Working for best Korea, you produce one nuke per two cycles. You may PM me to whom you would like to give the nuke. Your first nuke will be done on night 2. You are a Russian Technician! Working for the motherland, you produce one nuke per two cycles. You may PM me to whom you would like to give the nuke. Your first nuke will be done on night 2. All of those are technicians, so if they were just copy pasted then maybe each role was written with completely different wording. But if anyone else's role involves giving nukes or anything to someone, maybe check you PM and see if the language mirrors either of these. If all thing-giving follows the "you may PM me to whom you would like to ......" then i'm less willing to chalk the wording up to being a different role, and it'll look even more like a fake claim | ||
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On July 13 2013 08:03 Koshi wrote: Xatalos gonna get temp banned Austinmcc. Shouldn't you discuss the death sentence Xatalos put on you? I do agree with him that you are on/off a lot. When I joined the game you were very active, but during the lynch you were blending in the background. Why is that?  Activity dips are sometimes RL, or yesterday in part because lynch candidates got nuked and unnuked. Game done changed. On July 13 2013 08:05 Stutters695 wrote: Austin trying to get me lynched off of wording of PMs. That's cute. Also scummy as shit. You've been very absent. Haven't participated in much. Dropped in to say you gave Ace a nuke, posted a fake PM. The second PM STILL smells fake. If someone who was lurking popped in with TWO fake roleclaims, what would you think about them? | ||
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On July 13 2013 08:25 Ace wrote: I think that PM is fake. If the missile defense folks are people, not places, I'd be more convinced. austin, you are sure that PM is fake, correct? | ||
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On July 13 2013 08:42 Ace wrote: Are you going down a "you mentioned there might be hidden nukes before nukes got launched" road?Austin, you knew about the existence of them before they were first launched. | ||
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On July 13 2013 08:51 Ace wrote: Nope. I joined a game named "Nuclear Winter Mafia" with a mostly-closed setup and the promise of different types of nukes. In terms of "what do you expect from an entire game themed around nukes," that's a pretty quick thing to hypothesize.yes. you did indeed have knowledge of hidden nukes then yes? You joined the same game I did. Take 10 seconds and go "what kind of roles would I put in a game about nuking?" On July 07 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote: It's POSSIBLE there are dud nukes if stutters isn't lying. We DO have a nuke retargeter. Silent nukes as well. I'ma just go with I'm a baws at speculation.This was actually an original thought posted in thread on that page. Also, as a note, now that we've seen a nuke. If you think you know all sorts of stuff about the nukes in this game, you're probably horribly, horribly wrong. Game themed around nukes. OP mentions different types of nukes, multi-nukers, and we could easily see dud nukes/nuke retargeters/silent nukes/whatever. You can't freak out because chez shot a nuke, that's...sort of what this game is about. Nor do you know if it will land, or where, or anything. So knock it off with the caps and the freaking out. | ||
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On July 13 2013 08:55 Stutters695 wrote: The above post, I think. Afaik that post was made before WoS retarged a nuke or we saw MZ get silent nuked.Ace what are you talking about with Austin knowing shit in advance? | ||
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On July 13 2013 09:01 Ace wrote: Wasn't around back then. I saw Bureaucracy having a nuke and a fake nuke (kurumi/RoL) and MZ nuked me in a PYP. All of those launched in thread, although RoL's had the announcement and then didn't do anything.yes that post. It stuck out because austin hit the nails on the head very well: with the exception of multi-nukers he was correct on the other 3. The only other game with nukes that I know of on the forum are WaW games and I dont remember him being in those. But when I see "multiple types of nukes" I don't think regular/radiation/whatever else exists, I think normal/silent/multi, something like that | ||
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On July 13 2013 09:05 Ace wrote: ok. what about Xatalos' last will post, and Vayne's accusation? Vayne's accusation is that I come in with an ON case to switch the lynch of DI or Chez. Far as that goes, it's just false. Found ON scummy. As far as xatalos: On July 13 2013 06:57 Xatalos wrote: austinmcc 1) Marvellosity once coached me and gave me valuable pointers on how to find scum. I just remembered one of them that fits austinmcc absolutely perfectly: "people happy to start a wagon but then fade into the background again". austinmcc has done that twice now. He made a case on ON, voted on him first and started fading into the background. Then he voted first on jampidampi (without really much of a case this time though) and started fading into the background (at least he made some reasonable posts this time around, maybe because I criticized him about the last time, but none of those had any impact really). 2) Completely apathetic attitude throughout D1 (and later on as well, only less obviously). 3) Main reason for saving DI/XigXag (scum) D1 with his case - "null" read on MajuGarzett and conveniently goes for jampidampi instead 4) Intentionally avoided talking about rayn's claim - "others were already talking about it" (would a town ever say this?) 5) Half-assed suspicions without really even calling the player scum/scummy (on Oatsmaster and FirmTofu) 6) Pumped me for reads at the end of N1 (I should have realized that it was probably used by him to decide if he should NK me or not... apparently I wasn't correct enough I guess). (1) Yup, I made a case on ON. DI had somewhat of a case on him, but really that was "DI isn't doing squat and that's more likely from mafia DI." Probably faded into the background some, partially due to RL but also the way the votes were jumping was making me question things. If I'd paid less attention to the votes and more attention to DI himself, I would have entirely dropped ON for that day, as DI's conduct closer to lynch time was what really sealed my read on him. As far as the jampi bit, I dunno what he was getting at EXACTLY. My vote started on DI. I was expected DI/XigXag to certainly be the lynch. He got nuked. I think I started the wave of late jampi voting, FirmTofu and Chezinu both on jampi earlier in the day, but I'm the first voter as far as the rush that got him lynched. As far as the "fading," ... it's not like there's a benchmark I can point to and say I didn't fade. I was scummy on him early in the day because of the filter jump after rayn's plan, happy to see him nuked, unhappy to see him defended. I felt like I spoke my mind, that anyone knew why I was voting jampi. (2) Mostly apathetic towards D1. Yes. Too many people, too many things that are flashes in the pan. AFAIK that's pretty usual for large game D1s for me. (3) Yeah, my case ended up saving DI. Don't like it. Can see it making me look scummy. IMO, if you look at N1 and early D1, I don't think it makes terrible sense for me, as scum, to derail a DI lynch and then want to lynch him. If I were going to bus him, I could have done it D1. Instead I pulled a lynch off him, then wanted to lynch him, which seems unnecessary if I'm looking to bus, and no reason to jump right back on him if I'm actually trying to save him. As far as maju and jampi, yup, I was scummier on jampi. If maju flips scum, I'll have had some bad reads this game. (4) Yes, a town would do that. He's lying, we don't know why, everyone else is already posting a ton about it. Try and figure out what's going on, be confused, figure being confused better than posting "I'm confused, here's why" when someone else has already laid it out. (5) Pretty sure that as things went on I called oats scum. FirmTofu was absolutely half-assed suspicions. Filter as a whole was townie, those two posts at the time of the DI lynch were super super scummy to me. (6) I asked him for reads. Not a scummy thing? If you start from "austin scum" then you can make it look scummy, but a whole lot of people have asked a whole lot of people for reads this game. | ||
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Anyone remember this from the start of D2? On July 13 2013 07:38 Stutters695 wrote: Ace your nuke is fake. Here's my real role PM. I changed it to only sometimes fake to try and get NK'd to stop it but I got a PM saying it got raided and destroyed so no need for that anymore. You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. That was me. I raided VA N1 because he'd come up during the night as scummy and I agreed on that read, but figured he wouldn't be lynched for a bit. N2 I raided stutters, because of that first fake PM he gave. Here's what's important about this. We haven't seen a silent nuke today. If anyone else is also a war protestor and raided someone else, you need to speak up pronto. However, if nobody else raided someone, then we saw a silent nuke D1, silent nuke D2, and now nothing on D3. What changed in that time? I raided stutters and he could no longer make nukes. I don't know whether this ace nuke is real or fake or anything. I don't like that ace misspelled earlier, I didn't even notice it and figured since nothing went off he wasn't lying about the dud. Another missed chance to force someone to type something in thread and make sure they weren't planning something/lying. So, for realsies, if you're also a war protestor and raided someone last night, speak up. SOMEONE in this game is dropping silent nukes D1, D2, but not D3. Unless anyone else has a good reason, it's because I raided stutters's nuke factories last night. + Show Spoiler + Someone is going to say I'm mafia and lying and didn't raid stutters, or I'm the silent nuker and am holding my nuke today in an elaborate ploy to lynch stutters. However, he claimed to be raided. Unless anyone ELSE raided stutters, either I'm not lying about being a war protestor or BOTH of us are lying (I can't raid, he didn't get raided). In that case...stutters is lying and part of the plot, indicating that, even if you think I'm 100% mafia and lying about all this, stutters would be lying too | ||
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On July 14 2013 22:21 Koshi wrote: If we have a townie shooting silent nukes off, he picked odd targets. MZ was part of discussion D1 early, but is a very unlikely choice for a town nuke at the time he got nuked - chez had just recently nuked xatalos, there were a number of anti-chez posts, but nothing really in the way of anti-MZ posts. (Side note: The timing on the silent nukes is something I've minorly looked at, but not read too much into. stutters was NOT in thread at the time the MZ nuke notification went off, and hadn't been around for hours). Moreover, he chose not to launch one today in that case, despite there being a number of targets that people think are scummy and a couple lurkers that we don't know what to do with (besides nuke their faces).See. The difference between austinmcc and geript is that austinmcc makes logical conclusion and posts. I can't disagree with anything austin said, however I wouldn't lynch Stutters yet. There have been nukes every day except today, if that is a undercover town guy doing that, it doesn't make sense that some of the clear targets are not getting nuked or at least the inactives on D3. So 1) Scum is holding to their nuke today and not sending it. 2) It was Stutters who gave his nuke to Ace. and then it could be that Stutters loved to just nuke people on D1 and D2 and both are still town. But then I don't understand how Stutters doesn't believe he is not going to be lynched on D4 if this is a real nuke........ Scum holding their nuke doesn't make much sense to me. Essentially, that's scum passing up 1 KP on the target of their choice for the chance to trade a scumbuddy they think we'll lynch today for stutters. But they don't NEED to save the kp to try and push the lynch around, nor does it make sense that they'd pass up nuking a person of their choice for a lynch on stutters. | ||
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On July 14 2013 22:45 Koshi wrote: Ace's nuke does make things weird. Assuming stutters is mafia, it makes it more likely that ace is also mafia, and that they're working something here but the raid may have thrown a kink in the works (stutters doesn't actually give out nukes, ace got a nuke from someone else/himself while stutters is the silent nuker?). But still, isn't it so that if the nuke now is fake that Stutters is not the guy doing this? We shouldn't lynch Stutters this day, because if it is fake he is still in the clear. The random nukes can also come from an inactive player. CA or Gumshoe. (this is insane speculation that maybe should be done after Stutters nuke falls on MG?) I don't think the silent nukes can come from a super inactive player. In the case of gumshoe, he was gone all D2. Unless he's mindfucking us incredibly hard by being absent all D2 AND not voting, risking modkill in order to launch his silent nuke while never being near thread, he's almost certainly not the silent nuker. CA possible, but CA popped in during D3, yet we've seen no silent nuke. So that possibility falls under the "why wouldn't a silent nuke have been sent if stutters is NOT the silent nuker?" umbrella. There is no simple/easy/sensible answer to that question for me. I'm still near-convinced that stutters is lying about his role PM. I cannot explain the lack of silent nuke today beyond stutters being the silent nuker. | ||
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On July 14 2013 23:09 Onegu wrote: You believe stutters to be a lurker? You believe strongandbig to...not be lurking? We shouldnt be lynching lurkers at this point, it really should be austin, z-bosan, or S&b as they have much more scummy posts and actions than a lurker. Anyone not agree on z-bosan, he waffles so much haveing scum reads or votes on half the people in this game. | ||
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On July 14 2013 23:20 Onegu wrote: Read my post. I'm not suggesting we lynch them.Takeing stutters out because I dont think he should be lynched yet. Was talking about you saying CA and gumshoe. Explain this bit about keeping stutters alive and killing me/z-boson/snb. I can understand that mindset earlier, but we have not seen a silent nuke today and I've claimed to have raided stutters, he's claimed to have been raided. You want to wait on stutters to see if ace's nuke goes off. But you're okay lynching me? | ||
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On July 14 2013 23:31 Onegu wrote: Yes, it is possible. However, in that case, you need to account for the lack of silent nuke today.At this point yes, first there is no way to confirm your claim. Second it is possible he is town and you are scum and can shut down factories, so seeing if the nuke lands gives us more info. In the world where I am scum and stutters is town, you need to believe his claim, think I'm a scum war protestor, AND think that the silent nuke is being held...solely to get a lynch on stutters? | ||
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On July 14 2013 23:37 Onegu wrote: The first is possible, although it feels unlikely given their targets and not launching both D1 (specifically, why does scum nuke Ace on D2 with their last silent nuke?).You are trying to read into a closed set up, maybe a total of 2 scum got 1 silent nuke each, or 1 scum got only 2 silent nukes. Or its 3p lauching silent nukes there is no way to know. The second is possible, although the same question applies. Why Ace with your second, and final, nuke? If it's 3P launching silent nukes, then ... that doesn't get around the issue. Why no nuke today? If a 3P is launching silent nukes, and stutters was the only person raided last night (again, anyone who raided someone last night, please say so because it affects this), then that indicates that stutters is 3P who has been launching nukes at townies. Makes him a worse lynch today, because he's effectively neutered, but then I don't think we can explain him having silent nukes AND giving a nuke, real or fake, to ace. Yes, I'm trying to make sense of a closed setup. Yes, there are limits to our ability to do that. But that doesn't mean we can't throw out options that don't make any sense. | ||
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On July 15 2013 00:01 Koshi wrote: Short answer is...I feel more certain. austin. I dont understand why Stutters today. Why not on D4 if the nuke is a real one? Is it lack of other targets? Because I think that CA, Chezinu, gumshoe is a better target than stutters. Chezinu because I don't get the guy but it seems you guys know wtf he is doing, but to me he is afk. Up until just recently, stutters was lurking as hard as any of those players, if not harder. Right up til last night. CA constantly posting that he's drunk/will have time later doesn't seem lovely. gumshoe's massive absences don't read lovely. Chezinu's absence and the fact that I do believe one of the more veteran players should be scum in this game don't read lovely. But with stutters, I both don't trust that second claim (choosing your type of nuke without mention of nuke types, wording, being a location rather than a person) AND there was no silent nuke D3. I read those things as more scummy than the scummy attributes of the other lurkers. | ||
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On July 15 2013 01:27 Onegu wrote: ? If someone claims to have shut down a nuke maker, that should make you want to lynch me MORE. If nobody else claims to have shut down stutters, then my claim is true OR both stutters and I are lying for little to no reason. We really need to agree on a lynch. I disagree with everything geript has done and suggested, but it seems almost to obvious for him to be scum. Are ninja votes a scumtell? I really prefer a austin lynch, with everything xata posted, plus I dont like his claim or his defense as there is no way we can or should read things into a closed setup. Unless someone claims to have shutdown a nuke maker, he should be the target since I cant get anyone on z-bosan. Vote: Austin Furthermore, there isn't "no way" to read things into a closed setup. Things have happened. We can interpret those things. Essentially you're ignoring that there's been a silent nuke D1 and D2, but not D3. You're saying that conflicts with your read, so ... closed setup, must be lying, gg. But you're trusting that ace actually has a nuke, trusting that we have missile defense systems, and all sorts of other stuff. The setup as a whole is closed. That doesn't mean everyone is lying about everything, and it means we just have to intuit as much as we CAN. Again, MAYBE someone is holding a silent nuke, MAYBE there were only 2 silent nukes. But neither of those makes more sense, at least to me, and hopefully not to you, than stutters being the launcher of silent nukes. If one of the other explanations makes MORE sense to you, then by all means, let's chat about it. But if no other scenario makes more sense, don't just hide behind "closed setup." Whether open or closed, there IS a setup. It's up to you to figure out what you think it's most likely to be. | ||
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On July 15 2013 01:51 Ace wrote: I was waiting to see if a silent nuke got launched today. Possibility of that ended 7ish hours ago.Deadline should have passed, so Stutters was telling the truth. Austin also confessed to raiding him so he was telling the truth about that too. austin why did you wait this long to tell the truth about targeting Stutters? You read the interaction between me and him when we were both confused about why the nuke never went off. You could have said something right? The early confusion was you hearing that stutters's factory got raided, and so thinking your nuke had been destroyed. But seeing as you appear to have still had a nuke...I figured you could sort that one out. | ||
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On July 15 2013 01:51 strongandbig wrote: Neither one looks like a true one, tbh. That whole choosing the type of nuke with NO information about types of nukes does not make sense.I'm down to lynch geript for using his defense on jampi, but I'd rather lynch Austin. I don't understand why stutters would have given ace the nuke, then told us it was fake, if it was actually real and stutters is scum. That whole concept just doesn't really compute for me, what action would he have been trying to induce by the lie. If people really think Maju is scum then I don't think it makes sense to let the nuke land "just in case" stutters was lying and it's real. If you think Maju is scum, lynch him. Then lynch stutters if you think him lying about his role is a scum tell. But we know he lied about his role at least once, how does it make a difference if he lied a second time and the first time was actually the true one. I see reason concerning stutters and ace and stutters's alignment. I don't see any reasoning concerning why I'm doing what I'm doing if I'm town/scum, nor do I see anything about no silent nuke. Why do you think there is no silent nuke today? | ||
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On July 15 2013 01:55 Ace wrote: If a silent nuke gets launched, then it doesn't implicate him. Then I just fight the lynch if it's on me, and keep looking elsewhere. I did sort it out I was saying why you didn't just fess up, but if you think Stutters was silent nuking then sure. If a silent nuke did get launched how would that have incriminated him though? Like what was your plan of action? | ||
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On July 15 2013 01:59 Ace wrote: Yeah. Actually checking on one thing that could throw this off, but depending on how that answer comes back, yes, I think he was the launcher of the silent nukes.since a nuke didn't get launched, and you raided him - then you feel he is still possibly the launcher of silent nukes then. Correct? If nobody else raided anyone else, then I know that we saw silent nukes and now haven't. I know that only one nuke factory got shut down last night. Likely conclusion is that dude who got shut down was the one making silent nukes. | ||
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Raided VA N1. So the silent nukes implicate him, not stutters. Stutters role PM still looks fake, but the silent nukes line up with a raid being successful on VA. | ||
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On July 15 2013 02:21 VayneAuthority wrote: I raided you N1, stutters N2.I don't follow, how does raiding me implicate that I fired a nuke? Especially when I cannot given my claim? I have no powers. would I receive a notification that I was raided? We saw silent nukes D1, D2, nothing D3. IF a raid shut down silent nukes, it would be the raid on you, because a factory still produces a nuke on the night that it's raided. Therefore, if stutters produced silent nukes each cycle/night, he would have one today, as he was only raided last night. If you produced silent nukes, you would have had one yesterday, the one made during D1/N1, but not one today. | ||
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On July 15 2013 02:22 Stutters695 wrote: Your role LOOKS fake. It's less setup speculation and more things that don't look right about your PM. Everyone else so far is a person, you're a thing. You are allowed to choose a type of nuke to make, even though nothing informs you about types of nukes? Neither of those, ESPECIALLY the second, makes sense. Therefore, more likely than not that you're lying about your role PM.he's pushing a mislynch on setup speculation As far as the silent nuke stuff, that's not speculation as much as just...what I know happened. I saw silent nukes, now I don't today. Most likely conclusion, given that so far we've seen a bunch of technicians that make nukes flip, is that whoever was making silent nukes got shut down. However, if I'm the protestor who shut them down, it's VA and not you. | ||
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On July 15 2013 02:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol austin you're making so many assumptions with this case its ridiculous. On July 15 2013 02:28 johnnywup wrote: Yeah, I'm making assumptions.have you been paying attention austin actually yeah I don't know why you're assuming that there's an infinite vig. that would be crazy broken. Either we had one silent nuker with two nukes who could only shoot once per day OR Two silent nukers and one happened to hold a shot for the second day OR Someone, scum or 3P, gets a silent nuke each day, and used it to shoot at town I find the third more likely than the first two. An infinite vig is not crazy broken in a game where multiple people pass out nukes every 2 nights, or at least I don't believe it to be. As of now, based on what we've seen, the only nukes that started off existing were the volatile ones, and we've seen multiple folks flip as technicians. Implying that nukes that didn't start in this game are created. It's less damning when it doesn't match up with stutters role PM, but you guys know who I raided if I end up killified. | ||
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On July 15 2013 02:39 Alakaslam wrote: Either you're lying or VA is. Targeted him N1.The answer is in my filter, but yes. So you weren't raided. IM VOTING AUSTIN. IT GOES NOWHERE. | ||
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On July 15 2013 02:55 VayneAuthority wrote: mods refused to give me any info on the notification thing, which usually means it has to do with something fishy. ##unvote ##vote: austinmcc On July 15 2013 02:39 Alakaslam wrote: The answer is in my filter, but yes. So you weren't raided. IM VOTING AUSTIN. IT GOES NOWHERE. One of these things is not like the other. | ||
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On July 15 2013 03:03 Stutters695 wrote: I'd like to hear from either missile defense system person definitively whether their role is a person or a place.Austin who do you want to lynch? Still me? Honest answer is I don't effing know right now. | ||
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On July 15 2013 03:05 austinmcc wrote: Let me be more specific.I'd like to hear from either missile defense system person definitively whether their role is a person or a place. Honest answer is I don't effing know right now. I'm troubled by Ace's still being alive and his...lack of direction. He had a nuke today, is asking some decent questions for information, but I am expecting him to have more impact than he's having. But he got nuked yesterday, and he had some very townie posts after the nuke. Simplest explanation is that he's townie, but hasn't bee a priority target over more active players, but the fact that he claimed to have a nuke and didn't get killed ain't good. Geript's actions didn't make sense yesterday, still don't. But he's been so active and I was so confused myself towards the end of yesterday that I don't want to kill him. I still halfway want to try and find oats scummy, but based on his saves and a number of small, sensible posts in his filter, that just isn't the case. But good lord he wasn't reading thread for a while, and was arguing without rereading or knowing what he himself had done this game, and normally from someone I know to normally follow games, not knowing what's going on is a scumtell. Don't want to lynch though, would prefer to drop my suspicions and be happy to have someone I was really, really confident in being town. I also secretly want to find sentinel scummy. Replacing in for a lurker, dropping DI who I honestly think would have ended up being yesterday's lynch, puts him safe for the cost of 1 KP, but they make that back up in the lynch (nuke DI, lynch townie, rather than lynch DI and nuke townie). However, he's also had some sensible posts, and it's far far more likely that he's town and nuked scum rather than the paranoid him bussing with the nuke option (BIG NOTE HERE: SO FAR HE IS THE ONLY PERSON TO HAVE CLAIMED A SINGLE NUKE THAT WAS NOT UNSTABLE. EVERYONE ELSE HAS BEEN A FACTORY, BEEN HANDED A NUKE, OR STARTED THE GAME WITH AN UNSTABLE NUKE). Chez is...chez. I think lynching him is, to a large extent, a stab in the dark. Not worth it when there are other targets. I'm still of the mind that someone's got a silent nuke factory, and that VA fits the bill, but I'd rather be able to look him over, consider the whole filter, see who's accused him and not spoken about him, and have a longer discussion about it than we can have today. I can think what I think, but can't really push a lynch based purely on a night action I claim and how I think the game works, especially when I don't have a lot of pull in thread right now with some folks. So...I come down to three options: (1) Stutters. Silent nuke stuff doesn't affect him. But that PM reads fake. (2) snb or onegu. 4 immune one claims. Both onegu and snb posting about superpowers/radiation before things were fully revealed by others, so likely that they ARE immune ones. However, all 4 on one team, especially a role that scum might really be able to use (extra KP from radiation sickness), seems unlikely. Between the two, I think I'd prefer an snb lynch. snb never super mcduper active, but ... his last day or so has felt very lazy when compared to his earlier posts, when most other people are ramping up their interest in the game or trying to figure things out. (3) gumshoe or CA as lurkers, (possibly Z-Boson but he's been more involved and also has shown that he'll go look through past games (or claim to be doing so) which makes me somewhat townier on him than the others). Between those... gumshoe was playful most of D1, then absent and now not playful. It may just be me, but because I feel like you have to be more focused on the game when mafia, I find mafia less likely to go inactive. I don't think that holds for everyone. But these posts, despite the hard martyring or whatever, actually read somewhat townie to me: On July 13 2013 05:09 gumshoe wrote: Also for those who consider my absence neutral, they're wrong, the last time I went afk for ever it was when I rolled scum and crumbled beneath the pressures of subterfuge. So technicaly the meta says I stand by best Korea / : sadly the meta is wrong. So same stick as before, I'll go read much as I can, meantime I'd appreciate if any one has something specific they'd like me to look at. On July 13 2013 05:18 gumshoe wrote: Points out that his last absence was scum when nobody brought that up. Dangerous if scum.The issue at hand is there's nothing to defend, although in most cases this degree of inactivity is neutral, in my case it is not. There is precedent that I cannot deny. Anyone you'd like me to take a gander at? Caucasian constant promises to be around, read game, but never does. Hides behind being drunk, says he On July 14 2013 02:08 CaucasianAsian wrote: I read a little bit of ver's guide, and learned a bit. I'll try to do some real analysis tomorrow. but is constantly pointed out how he's new to text mafia, thread moving fast, etc. etc. All the excuses and stuff would look scummy under Ver's guide and analysis as far as I remember, which actually really makes me not like him. Would rather lynch CA out of the pair. Pant pant. There are my full thoughts on the lynch, slightly more explicit than I don't know who. I'm a fan of CA or onegu/snb, after taking a bit more time to look through them. | ||
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On July 15 2013 03:21 Z-BosoN wrote: No. See Meapak's role:@Austin , your role is you can steal a nuke if someone has any? Also, which was the silent nuke day 2, was it the one at Ace? I don't remember. You are a War Protestor! You're tired of nukes and just want them to stop. Once per night, you may choose to raid a player. If that player has the capability to create nukes, his facility will be destroyed. Targeted VA N1, stutters N2.D1: OriginalName as North-Korean Technician [/spoiler]All our flips so far have been...people. Technicians, a politican, a medic, kenpachi, a protestor, immune ones. Essentially, all role names have been humans or jobs that humans do.D1: TanGeng as Xi JingPeng D1: Nirvana.Gabo as Medic N1: raynpelikoneet as Kenpachi N1: Meapak_Ziphh as War Protestor D2: jampidampi as Immune One D2: XigXag as North-Korean Technician N2: FirmTofu as Russian Technician N2: Xalatos as Immune One Stutters claimed: On July 13 2013 07:38 Stutters695 wrote: Ace your nuke is fake. Here's my real role PM. I changed it to only sometimes fake to try and get NK'd to stop it but I got a PM saying it got raided and destroyed so no need for that anymore. You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. Toy store, which is a ... place. I have been asking you and geript whether your rolename is a person or a place. I guess oats should chime in too. If you/geript/oats all have people or jobs for roles, "missile defense operator" or something like that, then stutters's claim reads more fake to me than it already does. I hate the "nuke type" bit with no explanation, don't believe that to be a true/full PM. And if you guys are people/jobs, then his "Toy Store" claim ALSO doesn't fit well with what we know, adding another level of "doesn't seem true" to the claim. | ||
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On July 15 2013 03:38 WaveofShadow wrote: I just don't like relying on meta that much, especially if it's a one or two game town meta based on "He posted that he was drunk a lot and then didn't do much, despite making promises that he'd have hours to devote the on x day or y day."Onegu isn't scum. Pretty sure CA isn't either; people were saying that he played the TL+ game exactly this way as well as town. I could do SnB, but I haven't seen enough of his play in other games to know his meta. Everyone voting Austin or MG needs to really think about what they're doing right now. I'd be grinning ear to ear every time I rolled mafia if that were my town meta. Post drunk, sheep whatever, ta da! snb has been entirely inactive, modkilled or warned, in at least a couple games I've played with him. But generally i've found him to be more impactful in his town games, where even if he's not super active his posts are reasoned, affect something in the thread and give his actual thoughts. Would rather focus on what he's doing in this game though than in past ones, but ymmv. From what I remember, he was town and more active in Aperture 2, town and more active in ... movie star mini? He was scum and extremely lurky after a while in Chrono Trigger. I think barely played in like...GSL mini 2 and PTP4? I'ma go look em over. Also, are you a people role or a place role? | ||
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scum - Vayne is xatalos if scum, johnnywup, gumshoe, DI, Nirvana.Gabo, Vayne, gumshoe, oatsmaster, oatsmaster again and possible xatalos, DI, vayne, austinmcc, vayne, DI, oatsmaster, DI/vayne/oats/austinmcc, VA/austinmcc, vayne, gumshoe, ace maybe or stutters, austinmcc, geript/austinmcc, town - ace, rayn, ace, maybe vayne (after DI flipped), maybe maju?, As I was poking through his filter I noticed how lopsided it was. Everyone and their mother is scum. Ace and rayn are his only townreads, and he ever drops the "why is Ace still alive if he had a nuke and is Ace?" after N2, indicates that ace maybe isn't town. However, despite calling nearly everyone scum, he barely ever mentions maju. First mention of maju is today: On July 15 2013 01:51 strongandbig wrote: in which he...actually doesn't directly address maju himself. He says what others should do based on their feelings about maju. I'm down to lynch geript for using his defense on jampi, but I'd rather lynch Austin. I don't understand why stutters would have given ace the nuke, then told us it was fake, if it was actually real and stutters is scum. That whole concept just doesn't really compute for me, what action would he have been trying to induce by the lie. If people really think Maju is scum then I don't think it makes sense to let the nuke land "just in case" stutters was lying and it's real. If you think Maju is scum, lynch him. Then lynch stutters if you think him lying about his role is a scum tell. But we know he lied about his role at least once, how does it make a difference if he lied a second time and the first time was actually the true one. I wanted to compare that to some recent past games. Bastard "Mini" (snb town i think) scum - maybe prome, yamato, zealos, sentinel, prome, zealos, town - rayn, 3P - palmar (Game was ended due to lack of people playing. But in his filter there, 4 people scum, 1 town, palmar 3P). Carnival Cruise (snb scum) scum - DarthPunk maybe, oats, obviousone (votes after sheeping WoS), either oats or obviousone, hiropro, prome maybe, oats, maybe shirokami or prplhz, maybe sloosh, maybe kush, town - maybe slOosh and rayn, VE, WoS Boardwalk Empire (town) scum - "would lynch" shelvocke/artanis and maybe VE, maybe oo, artanis/shelvocke/VE, oo/shelvocke/maybe MZ, would lynch sinani or oo, oo or sharrant, oo/geript/shelvocke/sharrant, RO/vivax town - "would not lynch" palmar, keirathi, rayn, MZ, probably sinani, geript, oatsmaster, maybe sinani/mocsta/yamato/vivax/keirathi, RED Team's Prize (town) scum - prplhz, maybe acro, would lynch grackaroni/nisani, acro, maybe acro, obviousone, town - maybe acro, maybe prplhz, hapahauli (snb was one-shot medic and healed him N1), screw it this is too much snb focus. I'm stopping once i hit this post - + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2013 07:40 strongandbig wrote: sinani206 marvellosity Oatsmaster Acrofales Dandel Ion Keirathi raynpelikoneet strongandbig cDgCorazon Hapahauli prplhz ObviousOne InsertSmurfHere The one-sidedness of snb's reads struck me as odd. It's not all of his games, and ymmv, but I personally see MORE townreads (and more reasoning in general) in his town games. In his scum game above, he had 2 hard town reads, a couple maybe town reads, and then mostly scum. In his town games, he'll post a thing of all his town/scumreads with a bunch of green names, have more people he doesn't want to lynch, etc. (1) Game is easier for scum if they primarily have scumreads, can lynch most anyone. If you give a bunch of townreads, your lynch options are limited and come mid/lategame you have to backtrack on early townreads in order to lynch folks. (2) I'm not super duper digging again, you can click the links yourself, but I generally found town snb to sometimes be sheepy or...he'd say like "i'll lynch these 3-4 people." In this game, he started that way on D2, giving 4 folks he'd lynch or wanted to lynch, but didn't keep with it like I saw in other games. (3) I'm town, stutters. But after looking at this stuff, I'm fine lynching into immune ones and going after snb. His posting has been butt, he hasn't been giving much of his own thoughts this game, and he's so scumread heavy. | ||
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On July 15 2013 04:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Ugh. It's so simple I basically can't refuse but that makes me so goddamn paranoid I'm ripping my hair out. +9001 If ace is town, hooray. If ace is maybe scum, then everything I read starts looking like ace is directing weird scum plays | ||
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On July 15 2013 05:15 VayneAuthority wrote: You ever check on why someone else is CERTAIN you'd have been notified I raided you if hosts won't say?Vote austin if you are unsure, dude is scum | ||
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On July 15 2013 05:15 VayneAuthority wrote: You're sure I'm scum. How do you feel about snb?Vote austin if you are unsure, dude is scum | ||
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On July 15 2013 05:42 VayneAuthority wrote: See, I asked because I looked through your filter for talk about him. Here's what you've written:I don't read him as town, I just don't trust these last second bandwagons especially the people that are on it. I was the first person to write a case on SnB or at least one of the first to draw suspicion on him, it's only then that people started coming out of the woodwork to throw shit at him. That's scummy. On July 12 2013 07:17 VayneAuthority wrote: Good news is, as I expected there are roles that go both ways. One immune down, 3 to go. There are immune scum/fake claimers for sure On July 12 2013 07:18 VayneAuthority wrote: I want your opinion on strongandbig, I think his immune one claim is fake and he's playing like he did in carnival. You hosted it, thoughts? On July 12 2013 07:23 VayneAuthority wrote: You seem to mainly be focused on picking out one of the immune ones. You go with snb (good). You think he's playing like he did in carnival, and you think he pops in from time to time and then dips. That is ALL you've said about him.That isn't necessarily townie. Recall roulette where your whole scumteam was basically on random votes the entire first couple days. It's actually a great way to fly under the radar. I was referring more to the fact of his reasoning that he just lets his team do the dirty work. It seems like there are a few active scum, and he pops in once in a while to say random stuff then leaves. Queue today. Where, by the way, he's a lynch candidate. People have been discussing him for hours. His name came up in Onegu/snb splits before, specifically from ace and I think others. Do you know how many words you typed about him? None. You called me out because the hosts wouldn't answer whether you'd be notified of a raid. But you didn't say word one about him, despite having him as scummy earlier. You think he's either town or scum, but don't care to chime in on the discussion and don't care to expand upon your old thoughts. How is his alignment not important to figure out? How is he either a mislynch or scum being bussed? That's it? This is a lynch. You have a vote. You think I'm scum. But you don't deem it important to figure out which option of those he might be? | ||
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On July 08 2013 11:57 VayneAuthority wrote: Ok interesting. So apparently chezinu is saying his role gives him like a hot potato nuke that keeps bouncing around that you have to send at some one else? That's a pretty interesting mechanic and I really doubt he is scum now after giving us some content. People should consolidate on Dandel or Onegu if they dont like my johnny lynch. On July 09 2013 02:31 VayneAuthority wrote: Chezinu is town, DI is scum.man I just read like 5 gazillion pages, I am sure all scum have some sort of fakeclaim so lets not get caught up in that again like in basterd mini. Its completely meaningless. Whoever asked about why Chezinu explaining his mechanics makes him town is because it seemed like a desperation move that only town would use to try to survive, he put down his trolling facade for a couple posts and put in some food for thought. That's enough to let me see him live another day to figure out what exactly he's doing. Switching my vote to Dandel. ##unvote ##vote: dandel ion chezinu is lol On July 13 2013 08:09 VayneAuthority wrote: Gut read. No reasoning. He was town, then lol, now scum.Also I am fairly certain Chezinu is scum at this point, solid gut read and I am usually good with these. im like 95% sure + Show Spoiler [That post where you "analyze&quo…] + On July 13 2013 08:36 VayneAuthority wrote: alright so lets roll through this finally, just some food for thought. On the ON lynch we have rayn, Xat, and Tang who flipped town. We also have Dandel/xig which flipped scum. To switch the lynch, which is between Chezinu and dandel (which was a scum or scum lynch btw) austin comes in and drops a case on ON as things are looking dire. Chezinu immediately votes for it, when he could have just voted for dandel to save himself. After a few more town like rayn are on aboard, a firestorm of votes begins. Now that we know who is town in those votes... First voter - Austin = scum. second voter - Chezinu = scum. third voter - Rayn = town. fourth voter - dandel = scum. fifth voter - Xat = town. sixth voter - FirmTofu = town. now where it gets interesting. Alaskazam votes for it then immediately goes back to a useless lynch, realizing that they don't need his vote and he does not want to be associated with this lynch. Alaskazam = scum. The remaining = Geript, ghost(Koshi), Gumshoe, Johnnywup, Onegu Most of the scum have got to be here -_- doubt its the ones towards the end because there's no reason to vote onto a mislynch after its already secured. Obviously I am wrong on some of these reads but lets really look into their motives here... On July 13 2013 09:31 VayneAuthority wrote: Today, you want to flip chez or I. You think I'm a higher chance to flip townAll I know is that we need a chezinu or austin flip and I would much rather flip chezinu since austin has a higher chance of flipping town On July 14 2013 06:23 VayneAuthority wrote: Nope. No reasons. In fact you SAID it was a gut read.I gave reasons why chezinu is scum, its not just a gut read. I don't know how you have a scum read on me after all that has happened this game. On July 15 2013 00:55 VayneAuthority wrote: ill be on Chezinu, dude is scum. It's not a coincidence that he would vote for ON and not dandel to save himself, the case is in my filter somewhere. 95% sure. #vote: Chezinu Then you abandon chez, without mentioning him again as a candidate, to jump on me. On July 15 2013 02:55 VayneAuthority wrote: Because the mods wouldn't tell you about notifications. Which says nothing about my alignment.mods refused to give me any info on the notification thing, which usually means it has to do with something fishy. ##unvote ##vote: austinmcc On July 15 2013 05:15 VayneAuthority wrote: Vote austin if you are unsure, dude is scum Now i'm definitely scum So what I see is chezinu is scum because gut read, but guys it's not just a gut read. Austin is more likely town than chezinu, but now he's definitely scum because the mods won't answer a question of mine one way or the other. snb is EITHER town or scum but I don't care to talk about him at all today. That's your filter. Thanks for contributing your reads and rationale for your votes, and for commenting about snb, who...by the way, is important to the lynch today. | ||
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On July 15 2013 05:49 geript wrote: (Just gonna point out that, SO FAR, rayn is 0-1 on his scumreads from his claim being scum) (And that xat is also wrong)Have people forgotten about this? Or the reasons why Rayn thought Austin was scum? Or the reasons why Xat thought that Austin was scum? Is there a reason why the second lynch option isn't Austin? | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:01 geript wrote: I addressed rayn's. He thought my reaction was scummy, I think a different reaction would be scummy.Or just don't address it and ignore it. That makes you totally towny... /sarcasm I addressed xatalos's accusation earlier today. Some of what he found scummy is just...stuff I did. Asking him for reads, etc. The stuff that's not just "he did this thing and I think he's scum so this thing is scummy" was addressed in my post, lemme know what point you want me to talk about if you're not satisfied. As far as your accusations, you're looking at the DI/ON lynch in particular. Yes, I thought DI was scummy, but I also thought ON was scummy. Maybe I back away a little bit because I don't want leadership/responsibility for the lynch. Maybe I back away because HOLY HELL SO MANY VOTES ARE CHANGING AND FOR NO OR AWFUL REASONS AND SO MAYBE THIS ISN'T GOOD. Mainly though, looking back at the day, it's DI's responses during the lynch itself that made me really, really sure on him. Didn't notice it at the time. If you think that I'm just trying to find a DI alternative, then I need to ask, why do I vote DI D2? I want to save him and then bus him the next day? I don't even try to vote someone else/see where the day goes? Why save him and then immediately "bus" him in your mind? You also bring up that I hadn't asked people about ON, talked about my read, etc. In saying that, you're ignoring me asking multiple people about ON D1, as I was mulling him over. Nobody saw fit to respond. + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 07:24 austinmcc wrote: MZ, can you be slightly more in-depth on your ON read? On July 08 2013 08:07 austinmcc wrote: All you said previously was: On July 08 2013 09:33 austinmcc wrote: RAWR. I AM THE MILD TASTE TACITURN. Welcome to thread. Maybe I'll get to call you scum later. For now, when you finish reading through things and give some general thoughts, please give OriginalName a read in particular, and let me know what flavor his filter would be if all our filters were Jell-O Instant Pudding On July 08 2013 10:43 austinmcc wrote: MZ. You were "probably town" on ON in your read list because he agreed with you/made sense. Could you be more specific and flesh out your thoughts there? | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:02 VayneAuthority wrote: It actually doesn't. See, there's a role that raids people at night. In fact, you KNOW that, because MZ was also a war protestor.Austin are you trying to prove im town or something? Thanks I guess. Pretty much sums up my town play I thought you were town until you mentioned the raiding thing, which makes zero sense I've claimed to raid you N1 and stutters N2. Stutters said he was raided. Nobody else claimed. So you KNOW that someone raided him (or he's lying) and nobody claimed the raid but me. What apparently doesn't make sense to you is that you didn't get notified of a raid. Except that nobody has told you for sure you'd be notified or not. You were told the question couldn't be answered. Which, btw, means maybe yes and maybe no. You've decided to vote me based on not getting an answer to a question, rather than getting the answer to the question that shows I'm lying. So hey, guess what, it totally makes sense! If you're not the one firing silent nukes, it makes sense if you don't have a nuke factory AND hosts don't notify about raids if you don't have a factory. Or, maybe it makes sense if you're lying. Either of those options make sense. Ta da! | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:06 geript wrote: Does it trouble you at all that NONE of your townreads are voting me? (Neither of your other scumreads are either, to be fair)2. Ghost_403 replaced by Koshi 3. Oatsmaster 6. Abenson replaced by [UoN]Sentinel 8. Ace I want to call him town 21. WaveofShadow 4. Stutters695 -- 3p??? 5. Z-BosoN 10. Johnnywup 11. Onegu 13. VayneAuthority 14. Strongandbig 15. Gumshoe 20. Alakasam 26. Chezinu 27. austinmcc 19. CaucasianAsian 9. MajuGarzett This is where I'm at right now. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:50 geript wrote: If the nuke goes off, it wasn't fake and stutters is lyingCan you explain. My brain is pretty fried since I haven't eaten since 8am. I'm not getting the implication. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:51 geript wrote: It's cool, because I'm sure you'd also defend me. Right? I'm not going to lie austin. If I had a nuke. I'd nuke the fuck out of you.... sadly... Oh well, whatever. I need to reread your filter in full again tonight. I don't exactly have a lot of options here. I looked into snb, he don't look good. See posts. But if the other lynch is gumshoe, and he's ninjavoting + not posting all day and this isn't his first game, then I'm not gonna sit here and go "Let's lynch snb instead, gumshoe probs town." | ||
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On July 15 2013 07:07 johnnywup wrote: IT'S NOT OVER YET GUYS PLEASE STOP TALKING LIKE THAT ^ | ||
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On July 15 2013 07:08 VayneAuthority wrote: I just have no motivation to play after that, don't expect me to be that active anymore Or, you know, you could justify your reads. Seeing as how you gave pretty much equal reason for gumshoe to be scum as chezinu and myself. And never spoke about snb. But you're that disappointed? Imagine how you'd have felt when I flipped town, but had actually been defending myself. Of course, that's if you're town yourself. | ||
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On July 15 2013 07:24 Z-BosoN wrote: Can you be more specific? I really dislike his D3 play at the very least, and still think that silent nukes were produced, implicating him.13. VayneAuthority + Show Spoiler + Pretty unmistakably townie play in this D2 deadline. | ||
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In the D2 deadline I see a dude who was previously voting maju switching over to jampi, after spending the day mainly arguing with firmtofu and then calling him scum. I see a dude who voted Chez D3 and never really talked about, swapping over to talking about snb and I. I see a dude who was scummy on snb on D2/N2, then doesn't mention him at all during D3 when he's a lynch option. Set aside the part with the silent nukes and the raid. Z-BosoN says VA's play around the D2 deadline is what makes him townie. What I remember is that, after being on maju or firmtofu ALL DAY, VA does this 30 minutes before deadline: On July 12 2013 06:27 VayneAuthority wrote: Actually I just went back to I swear this is mini mafia and cross analyzed jampi there where he got mislynched day 1 and his play here is very different. I am fairly convinced he is scum now. When he flipped town there he actually gave reasons for his scum/town reads and contributed to the thread before he died, here he is a lot angrier/slinging shit. He only came back to the thread once he realized he was saved by geript. ##unvote ##vote: Jampi Leading to the following responses: On July 12 2013 06:37 jampidampi wrote: Actually, how did you end up with that conclusion? Here is my filter for reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415754&user=jampidampi On July 12 2013 06:41 Xatalos wrote: VA, how were you suddenly convinced on jampidampi? Seems like some meta reason but.... It's just sudden. On July 12 2013 06:44 FirmTofu wrote: It's actually extremely convenient. At first I was shocked, but now I'm starting to realize that it's probably a move to bus him. Still, he did say that geript shouldn't defense the nuke on him, so I'm still skeptical. Even if Vayne is town, that doesn't mean jampidampi is town as well. It does make it a bit more likely, but I'm not sure if it justifies a Maju lynch. i.e. people going "wtf is this sudden change" --> i.e. something that wouldn't make me give VA a strong town read based upon just the D2 lynch | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:01 Alakaslam wrote: I can't speak to the claim at all. I know what I did. I don't know if vayne is lying or if people who don't have factories don't get notified AND he doesn't have a factory.You weren't very specific at first, that is why I said that. Now I take it back but I will still be more specific. Vayne basically counterclaimed you hard D3 and that was pretty much all I remembered I his interactions with you (left an impression on me, that did) so I thought you were OMGUSing. Turns out maybe no. But his play itself is not something I read as townie. His D2 towards the lynch, his D3 in the afternoon, refusing to speak AT ALL to snb's alignment especially. he RAGES after the lynch, doesn't want to play, etc. etc. All that rage from a guy who refused to look into snb before the lynch. If he couldn't be bothered to actually hunt for scum on D3 and take a look at the candidates, then he's got no reason to be pissed after the lynch. His D2 reads bad/meh, his D3 reads bad to me, and his conduct right before and after lynch are not consistent with what I'd expect from a townie. | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:22 Alakaslam wrote: I'm more concerned with his play than his role. I believe him to be scum, but I don't have particular reason to think he's lying about the claim, so I'd think he's more likely to be a goon than not.You think Vayne is Kenpachi or goon then? | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Not everything he does will be scummy.See, the shitty thing about this is we can't even call it scummy because Gumsheo essentially did the same thing but without talking in thread. Whoever said we can't win when people are playing against their wincon was right. But the snb that has been posting and voting this game is not the snb that posts and votes in his town games. | ||
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On July 15 2013 10:41 strongandbig wrote: You clearly haven't read THIS game.lol u scum you clearly haven't read my recent town games i have been trying way harder in scum games recently they are just less depressing | ||
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One, he came out of the woodwork to say he gave ace a nuke, post a fake role PM, then post a real one and say it was part of some plan. If he is mafia,he could have laid low or...come up with a different plan. The very fact that he sat by trying to prove his innocence as part of this scheme reads townie to me. Mafia team probably doesn't come up with a plan that makes one of their members look scummy and involves posting a role PM that doesn't quite make no sense. Mafia team comes up with a plan to make one of their members look townie. Yes, maju didn't die, but I think it reads more like a questionable town plan than a mafia plan. Two, I think his reaction to my saying he was the silent nuker and trying to get him lynched was legitimate. I think? There are little posts sprinkled in like this: On July 15 2013 01:35 Stutters695 wrote: I'm working an Austin case during downtime at work but he'd be my number 1 non-MG lynch. I know that if he's town he could have stepped up and said "No no no, nuke is 100000% fake every stop being dumb and lynch maju," but . . . the fact that he at least was still posting about wanting to lynch maju AFTER ace fired the nuke indicates ... something? Ugh. (2) The radiation mechanic has so far done dick all, as far as we know. Which really sucks. If scum have radiation nukes, they could have nuked someone N1 and we would have seen them die N2. However, if scum have radiation nukes AND an immune one, they could have nuked the immune one N1, nuked someone else N2 and had the immune one visit a person, and then on N3 both the N2 nuke AND the N2 visit people die. Given that we haven't seen any deaths, that's a real possibility here, based on how I understand the radiation mechanic, and depending on what they actually have and who they've targeted. If you're the 3P and you're not explicitly anti-town only (and you have some KP), you should be aiming it at mafia. There's a chance they can really throw the numbers off overnight if they actually have radiation nukes. Gonna continue thinking about stutters, but still liking scum elsewhere. Certainly more convinced of scum elsewhere. | ||
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On July 16 2013 04:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: That's it? He contributes nothing and is happy with it, but one time VA did the same thing as town so snb probably town?strongandbig contributes nothing and is happy with contributing nothing. Back when I was playing 5 games at the same time this guy would've been textbook scum to me, except then I learned that Vayne did exactly the same thing in Roulette and rolled town. Maybe he's lazy, just like me. So no, I don't think he's a scummer. Does that match up with town snb or scum snb in your mind? Do you think we have 4 immune ones? Did you look at some of the posts about snb and how his play this game is different than in his town games? | ||
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On July 16 2013 05:36 strongandbig wrote: snb, let's play this game, if you really want to. Here's a post where someone actually went and looked at past games of yours:and if you guys still think me being inactive means i'm scum then check this gem of a town filter. or also mtg mini mafia where i got bored and left marv to play the game by himself. some games are less motivating to me than others but it's not alignment indicative. so if you all still want to lynch me then whatever but know that you're stupid for it. On July 15 2013 04:58 austinmcc wrote: strongandbig's reads/notes this game: scum - Vayne is xatalos if scum, johnnywup, gumshoe, DI, Nirvana.Gabo, Vayne, gumshoe, oatsmaster, oatsmaster again and possible xatalos, DI, vayne, austinmcc, vayne, DI, oatsmaster, DI/vayne/oats/austinmcc, VA/austinmcc, vayne, gumshoe, ace maybe or stutters, austinmcc, geript/austinmcc, town - ace, rayn, ace, maybe vayne (after DI flipped), maybe maju?, As I was poking through his filter I noticed how lopsided it was. Everyone and their mother is scum. Ace and rayn are his only townreads, and he ever drops the "why is Ace still alive if he had a nuke and is Ace?" after N2, indicates that ace maybe isn't town. However, despite calling nearly everyone scum, he barely ever mentions maju. First mention of maju is today:in which he...actually doesn't directly address maju himself. He says what others should do based on their feelings about maju. I wanted to compare that to some recent past games. Bastard "Mini" (snb town i think) scum - maybe prome, yamato, zealos, sentinel, prome, zealos, town - rayn, 3P - palmar (Game was ended due to lack of people playing. But in his filter there, 4 people scum, 1 town, palmar 3P). Carnival Cruise (snb scum) scum - DarthPunk maybe, oats, obviousone (votes after sheeping WoS), either oats or obviousone, hiropro, prome maybe, oats, maybe shirokami or prplhz, maybe sloosh, maybe kush, town - maybe slOosh and rayn, VE, WoS Boardwalk Empire (town) scum - "would lynch" shelvocke/artanis and maybe VE, maybe oo, artanis/shelvocke/VE, oo/shelvocke/maybe MZ, would lynch sinani or oo, oo or sharrant, oo/geript/shelvocke/sharrant, RO/vivax town - "would not lynch" palmar, keirathi, rayn, MZ, probably sinani, geript, oatsmaster, maybe sinani/mocsta/yamato/vivax/keirathi, RED Team's Prize (town) scum - prplhz, maybe acro, would lynch grackaroni/nisani, acro, maybe acro, obviousone, town - maybe acro, maybe prplhz, hapahauli (snb was one-shot medic and healed him N1), screw it this is too much snb focus. I'm stopping once i hit this post - + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2013 07:40 strongandbig wrote: sinani206 marvellosity Oatsmaster Acrofales Dandel Ion Keirathi raynpelikoneet strongandbig cDgCorazon Hapahauli prplhz ObviousOne InsertSmurfHere The one-sidedness of snb's reads struck me as odd. It's not all of his games, and ymmv, but I personally see MORE townreads (and more reasoning in general) in his town games. In his scum game above, he had 2 hard town reads, a couple maybe town reads, and then mostly scum. In his town games, he'll post a thing of all his town/scumreads with a bunch of green names, have more people he doesn't want to lynch, etc. (1) Game is easier for scum if they primarily have scumreads, can lynch most anyone. If you give a bunch of townreads, your lynch options are limited and come mid/lategame you have to backtrack on early townreads in order to lynch folks. (2) I'm not super duper digging again, you can click the links yourself, but I generally found town snb to sometimes be sheepy or...he'd say like "i'll lynch these 3-4 people." In this game, he started that way on D2, giving 4 folks he'd lynch or wanted to lynch, but didn't keep with it like I saw in other games. (3) I'm town, stutters. But after looking at this stuff, I'm fine lynching into immune ones and going after snb. His posting has been butt, he hasn't been giving much of his own thoughts this game, and he's so scumread heavy. Surprise. I did that. I went and looked at your games, so stop asking people to go look at your games, and stop saying it's just about activity/inactivity. I've seen you modkilled/warned for inactivity as town, that's true. But in your town games, and I could go pull a number of other differences, you give your thoughts on people. Some folks are scum, some are town. You may have lazy lynches where you choose 3-4 people and say you'd lynch any, but within this game, you've decided to do nothing but (1) do nothing or (2) call people scum. Would you care to explain who is town this game and why? Who you just THINK is town? | ||
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On July 16 2013 04:40 austinmcc wrote: For that matter, sentinel, I'm still interested in your thoughts on snb. That's it? He contributes nothing and is happy with it, but one time VA did the same thing as town so snb probably town? Does that match up with town snb or scum snb in your mind? Do you think we have 4 immune ones? Did you look at some of the posts about snb and how his play this game is different than in his town games? | ||
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On July 16 2013 05:52 geript wrote: Mayhaps. Ace is worrisome, as are a number of other folks, but I like vayne and snb better for scum than that group, and chez much more for scum than alakaslam or onegu.Stutters is prob 3p but should be ignored. CA is likely scum and one of Alakaslam/Onegu/Chez alakaslam started off slap-happy, doing all sorts of nonsense, and has dropped most of the nonsense as the game has gone on. Town started off in a good position, less good position now. His style of posting reflects that, and makes me think he's town and not posting as much silly/good-natured stuff because he's feeling less silly/happy about the game. | ||
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On July 16 2013 06:04 Chezinu wrote: Chez makes game interesting.I thought we were friends... Well, then... I don't think your so townie either!  + Show Spoiler + thanks for the suspicion at night. It keeps me safe from the mafia. Your the bestest friend ever except for alakaslam cause we so tight we got an alliance. Chez has been absent for a chunk of this game, or just...not really impacting it from what I can see. Therefore, Chez isn't Chez. So if Chez is town, because Chez isn't Chez this game, Chez isn't town. | ||
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On July 16 2013 06:13 Chezinu wrote: Nah. Just the lack of you ... doing you stuff? Oh are you talking about the lack of people wanting to kill me? I've been thinking about that. I think its because mafia knows I don't have anything. Even if you were just absent yesterday, that would mean you weren't you yesterday, and weren't town yesterday, but I don't think your alignment changes, so you'd have to still be mafia? I think that if you're you some days of this game and not you for other days of this game, you need that couch again. | ||
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On July 16 2013 06:16 WaveofShadow wrote: AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH. YOU ARE MAKING MY HEAD GET A HURT-Y FEELING.Vayne - He really DOES change his playstyle from game to game. Whereas at one point this much activity and analysis could be considered a scumread, in his last game (where he was mislynched, hilariously) he played well and was town. He hung on a chez = scum read for more than a day, based on a gut read that was never explained further. He voted jampi right at the end of D2 based on going back to some other game, not linking any specific posts, but saying jampi wasn't playing like himself that game. I repeat:
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Town, in order to win, has to analyze the game and push it forward. Therefore, people who post/analyze/push the game forward are town, and people who don't do so are null/scum. Posts in which you call everyone in the game mafia - + Show Spoiler + On July 16 2013 05:26 VayneAuthority wrote: not really lets go through koshi - dont agree with any of his opinions, seems like he's being told by some one else what to say as his reads and stuff are completely outdated and only fit a motive that is clearly not town; he is holding on to lynches on people that others want to but gives the same reason for other people being lynchable but since town is okay with them he is too! Oatsmaster - generally way more involved than this, but he has defended town with his anti defenses and stuff...shrug mostly comes down to inactivity making me slightly weary. Once he got his towncred he checked out of the thread and that worries me. Stutters - All this fake claiming nonsense, doesn't really help his cause Z-Boson - Same as koshi, keeps ancient/outdated reads that look to serve some outside purpose. He's kind of flying under the radar too for the most which isn't condemning but is strange Sentinel - OK I can maybe trust sentinel, thats about it. Ace - Thought he was confirmed town until his connection to the whole stutters thing and his last second "im good with gumshoe" now not so sure. Majugarzett - uh yea, about him. why is he still alive Johnnywup - My first reads are usually good but I stayed away from him after he picked it up. As of late though I am suspicious due to paranoid reasons as since then he's gone completely under the radar. Onegu - Immune one claim, hasn't done much shrug. no reason to trust him Geript - Thought he was scummy by actions and posts but people keep throwing these ridiculous conspiracy theories at him that sound batshit insane if he was actually scum. Hard to tell whats going on there. strongandbig - Thought he was suspicious then out of nowhere people start chiming in how he is super suspicious and almost gets lynched but then people switch to gumshoe last second. Hard to believe yourself when you got people coming out of nowhere to agree with you. CA - lurker Alakasam - complete nonsense filter, wouldn't be surprised if he flipped scum WaveofShadow - He seems to be town but then some of his posts really throw me off. Think he is town but another paranoid thing. Chezinu - scum Austin - scum On July 16 2013 04:34 VayneAuthority wrote: This is a real post, or the start of a real line of reasoning. Here are two guys I think are similar, but people are reading them differently. Okay, great, that's actually analyzing this game and trying to move forward. Oats is also a lot afk, but Oats is considered town, but I would like to see him more active. SnB is not putting enough time in this game, he could be scum very easily. lol this is great. So popular opinion dictates Oats is town so I won't try to mislynch him, but SnB is scum for the same reason, and hey magically everyone is suspicious of him too! BUT WAIT. THERE'S (NO) MORE! He doesn't note Oats's role. Doesn't consider snb yesterday, actually look at stuff, was content with maybe scum or maybe town. He's making statements that COULD be townie trains of thought, but he's never actually developing the thoughts. They are just throwaway statements with no work behind them, he's not seeking to SOLVE the game, he's seeking to COMMENT on the game. And always in a negative light. If I die tonight scum is sillypants. But.....this is one of the easier rules to apply to the game, imo. Town is trying to solve the game and move it forward from this point. Scum is just sitting here. People who refuse to comment on stuff, refuse to analyze the players up for lynch, they are not playing for town. Anyone actively working to solve the game and post MAY be scum, but it's more likely, imo, that this game has just been not a great one for town, and so most townies have done things or placed votes that look scummy. Therefore, more important than who has lynched what, given that all of us have lynched town each day, is how people are playing. VA is not analyzing, is not playing for town, and is scum. It's one reason I'm still somewhat townie on geript. There are some hitches, but I read those as just scummy things that a townie has done in a game, because he's still actively playing from a townie mindset imo and trying to solve the game. Scum is sitting so pretty, they absolutely don't care about that right now. Go read like...personality 2. Our scum team crushed face that game, and by the last day we didn't give a crap. We were joking in QT, halfway outing ourselves in threads with our awful play and voting, but it didn't even matter. Town was so confused and mixed up that it didn't matter. But townies were still trying to SOLVE the game, while we were being dicks. | ||
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On July 16 2013 06:27 Chezinu wrote: I was at church yesterday. Other games don't have deadlines Sunday afternoons. What couch? Wasn't this the game where you laid down on Geript or someone's couch early on? You say "I think its because mafia knows I don't have anything," but what I hear is "I want to sleep with my mother, but cannot. Therefore, I feel powerless." | ||
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Specifically, posts where everyone is scum trolololol are not townie, because the person knows that to not be the case. Posts where you have this thought and you just drop it in thread but do nothing WITH it are scummy. It's not the size of posts or the number of posts, but what you're DOING with them. Ace could be absolutely faking it, but it's almost something townie about Ace's posts yesterday, where he wanted a lynch that would move the game forward and inform us about the alignments of multiple people. Granted, he didn't push hard for an information lynch, but that THOUGHT, that we want to lynch someone that will improve our lynch chances in the coming days by informing our reads on other players, is a townie thing. It's thinking ahead to get better lynches in further days. | ||
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On July 16 2013 06:39 Chezinu wrote: Yeah, you didn't say it, but it's the implication behind your dreams.uhhh I would never say something creepy like that.. That is more like something Geript would say.. see babies and bathwater Sometimes a bank isn't a bank. Sometimes wishing for a nuke isn't wishing for a nuke. | ||
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On July 16 2013 06:40 VayneAuthority wrote: If this isn't explaining why I think chezinu is scum then I dont know what is. How many lies of austin are you guys going to go let unnoticed, he will do anything in his long convoluted posts that nobody reads to sling shit when he writes things that are blatantly false. If he's town he is just as bad as gumshoe. dude isnt reading the fucking game. To switch the lynch, which is between Chezinu and dandel (which was a scum or scum lynch btw) austin comes in and drops a case on ON as things are looking dire. Chezinu immediately votes for it, when he could have just voted for dandel to save himself. After a few more town like rayn are on aboard, a firestorm of votes begins. Now that we know who is town in those votes... You say that a lynch between Chezinu and dandel was a "scum or scum lynch." AT NO POINT DO YOU EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS THE CASE. READ YOUR POST. YOU SAY THAT CHEZ/DI IS SCUM/SCUM, WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION FOR WHY CHEZ IS SCUM. | ||
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On July 16 2013 06:44 VayneAuthority wrote: yea you're a moron lynch this guy, its convienently in the part after you quoted. Keep twisting everything around its cool I'm not going to insult you. Saying chez v. DI is a scum vs scum lynch does not explain why he's scum. Saying "Chezinu immediately votes for it, when he could have just voted for dandel to save himself" does not explain why chez is scum. Voting for ON over DI makes someone 100% scum? If so, congratulations, you just caught an ENORMOUS scum team because we lynched ON D1. Clearly, not everyone voting ON is scum, and voting ON does not MAKE someone scum. At no point in that post do you actually explain why Chez is scum. If your reason for thinking chez is scum is that he voted ON and not DI, then you KNOW you are wrong, because plenty of people voted ON and they can't be scum. | ||
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On July 16 2013 06:52 Ace wrote: Which is something to indicate that chez may be scum. But it doesn't magically make him 100% scum. Same way as me pushing ON rather than just voting DI doesn't actually make me scum. I just made a dumb decision.He's saying chez is scum because chez should have voted for DI to save himself from getting lynched. Voting for ON = scum voting for anyone but his buddy. He's content to go "chez voted A and not B on D1, therefore he's my scumread for 2 more days, and I just won't analyze any other lynch candidates." | ||
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On July 16 2013 06:49 VayneAuthority wrote: Nope. I really, really think you're mafia this game.good lord you just don't get it. In the words of Tim Robbins, are you being deliberately obtuse? In the words of another celebrity: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qrLEV.gif) THOSE ARE YOUR POSTS. YOU ARE POSTING BEES. YOU ARE POSTING LITTLE BEES AND SOME OF TOWN THIS GAME IS WOMEN SCREAMING AND EXCITED ABOUT THE BEES AS IF THE BEES WERE A NEW CAR OR A BASKET OF STUFF OPRAH LIKES (THE TURKEY BURGERS SHE USED TO LIKE ARE DELICIOUS AND QUITE MOIST, BTW). BUT YOUR POSTS ARE NOT ACTUALLY CARS OR BASKETS OF STUFF. THEY ARE BEES. BEES ARE NOT GOOD. | ||
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VA you posted bees. Z-BosoN actually gets types of nukes in his PM and never mentioned this yesterday when discussing stutters. Z-BosoN whyyyyyy? I destroyed snb's factory if he had one. | ||
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On July 16 2013 22:02 Koshi wrote: I get that you think geript is scum, but WHY would he and maju pull this today?geript has 17(!) pages of posts. What did this guy already done protown in these 17 pages? Read his last 5 pages. It's all CRAP, except for 1 post his "knowledge" nuke. In which he makes a case out of action in the first lynch against austin. But what did geript do after this? He put 0 pressure on austin and the next target he mentions to lynch is CA --> because geript wants to lynch on posts suddenly. Its all there go read all the one liners from page 12-17 in geripts filter. If scum is in a good position this game (seems assured), then why not nuke a townie? Moreover, if this is a scum plot, it makes no sense. Maju, who is getting lynched today, can't gain town cred off a bus, because the nuke won't land before the lynch. So you're suggesting scum is nuking scum, but won't get any of the credit for doing so. That just means they waste a nuke and lose a member for no raisin. Even if you think the nuke is FAKE, why would this happen? We can only lynch a single player per day. Fake-nuking geript probably doesn't keep maju out of the lynch today, and honestly, getting fake-nuked by scum doesn't make you look townie or anything. It'd bring more attention on his head, make him look odd, so...I guess why is a fake-nuke on scumgeript from scummaju doing anything for scum? | ||
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On July 16 2013 23:05 Koshi wrote: If geript can shoot the nuke out of the air, then here's what I see happening.Actually, what if Geript can shoot the nuke out of the air? What is your stance on Geript then? They might waste a nuke. But Geript looks better right? Oats did you get extra shots? Like extra defensive misseles? We lynch MG. Almost certainly flips scum. Geript gets to go "scum shot a nuke at me, I'm town!" Geript gets some town cred at the cost of a nuke AND a shootdown But right now, people want to lynch MG, want to lynch me, want to lynch stutters, want to lynch snb, want to lynch geript, ace, chez, etc. etc. Given that there are SO MANY targets, and scum just killed another 2 townies yesterday (and one or more will die today, depending on whether these nukes get shot down), scum doesn't NEED to waste a nuke for town cred for geript. Scum can nuke a townie, not waste the nuke, save a shootdown if geript is scum. Because town is so split and we have so many lynch candidates, I don't think there's NEED for them to waste a nuke on making geript look better. They can just push the lynch where they want it on one day where we're considering a townie for lynch. I don't think a better-looking geript is worth the cost of a nuke and a defense, especially when people are already thinking it might be a bus, lessening the cred. | ||
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On July 17 2013 00:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Was waiting for that. I can't say that I'm not.It's funny I was thinking the same thing, but he's shown he is capable of it, technically. I'll note that if you read last game, I  IDN'T* really do much of it until the last day. And on the last day, I was actually just hunting scum, except...as scum myself. That wasn't exactly the most normal ending to a mafia game ever, and it actually felt like playing town. | ||
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On July 17 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote: sentinel nuked melol I kinda forgot who was nuked. Wasn't it Geript and SnB? Or was it you? maju nuked geript | ||
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On July 17 2013 02:43 WaveofShadow wrote: And there may be more throughout the day, but we'll see. I dunno. I'll keep attacking townies (and snb, but he's not town), and then by the end of the day when I've attacked all but a couple people, those folks are sure to be the mafia team.Damn. See here's my problem. I defs want the nuke on Geript to land (though it won't 'cause he'll protect himself) and the fact that it was Sent who nuked you makes me want that one to land as well despite me not thinking you're scum. | ||
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On July 17 2013 05:33 Stutters695 wrote: My action is a night action. At the time I targeted you, you had claimed this:Literally the post before it of his called for a lynch on both of us but as far as I can tell I'm his top scum read over Austin. I want to hear what he has to say, but why wouldn't he nuke me there? The Austin quote revolves around a couple things. First his only case against me was based entirely off of me lying to make my role seem worthwhile and setup speculation that I couldn't be a place. I gave Ace a "nuke" from my toy store that I told the thread may or may not be real which was used on a scum read of the majority of the thread and someone Austin was unsure of, but I got the impression from his posts he was scummy. So if he thought Maju was scummy he destroyed what he should have believed was a nuke factory that was used for towns advantage because of setup speculation making him think I'm scum. That isn't a good reason to destroy town KP and it's sketchy. On July 13 2013 02:33 Stutters695 wrote: Ace definitely has a nuke. I gave it to him. On July 13 2013 03:59 Stutters695 wrote: I make nukes that may or may not be duds. It's rngd or some shit. Regardless of whom you gave a nuke to or who was being targeted (and that nuke was fired too late, it it's not like he actually nuked MG), your PM looked so fake that I didn't know what you were up to and wanted to shut you down. Fake PM + claiming factory + Ace's not nuking in time = blowing up yo' factory if you had one. Seemed like a much better use of the ability than hoping another target had a factory to hit. | ||
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On July 18 2013 03:21 Ace wrote: can you explain why you are even throwing my name out for a lynch Still alive/almost entirely apathetic/name not nearly as fun to type as CaucasianAsian | ||
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On July 18 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think there's any chance of a gambit here. IMO this is scum nuking a townie or 3P nuking someone he thinks is scum.5) ???--> Onegu - I think this one could be stopped. I have no doubts this one is real. It *COULD* be a gambit to get Oats to waste his protection but seems really unlikely---the needs for scum to 'make plays' like this at this point in the game is close to nil. If this were 3P shooting at scum, I would THINK that they would have some target higher on a list of scumreads than onegu, and aren't just taking a chance. | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:18 WaveofShadow wrote: If I had a defense, I'd work defenses out with the other player to be on geript + 1 other, onegu or I.What do you suggest Austin? We're past the nuke deadline, so there's no risk in defending someone and having them get nuked again, therefore it's just about defending the people we think are most likely to be town/most likely to have been shot by scum. Out of that bunch, maju has been under suspicion/getting called scum for days now and has chosen to do nothing to change that read. Besides all the stuff that led to the scumread on him, his play makes it look like he just gave up after getting under suspicion. Because it's HIS nuke on geript (and because geript has one of the defenses and I assume is self-invested), I think geript is a fine defense. The nuker is as important as the nukee in that case. Of the other folks getting nuked, CA, even if he's town, isn't worth saving at this point. Chez, even if he's town, isn't worth saving. I'm used to chez both trolling AND posting reads, which are crazy spot-on. This game, it's been a lot of absence, not a lot of trolling, but also very little substantive working through the lists I normally see him post. I think he's a very valuable asset if town, worth saving over Onegu or I, but I'm not confidant enough in his towniness to want to see him saved. If he flips scum, it also doesn't look good for Ace, given Chezinu's reluctance to nuke him or even really actually CONSIDER nuking him. So that leaves me with myself and Onegu. I know I'm town, so I'd like me saved. I THINK Onegu is town, and the fact that he's been targeted with the silent nuke reinforces that read. Again, silent nuke, so either this is scum or 3P shooting. If scum, they're not shooting scum. If 3P, why shoot onegu? So it's more likely, imo, that it's a scum nuke on a townie. Let alone the fact that Onegu has been reasonably townie all game, and the fact that I still think snb is mafia, getting rid of one of the marks against Onegu which is "maybe all immune ones not just town." | ||
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We can't have country leader claims, as we saw technicians flip from assorted countries and be different alignments. Stutters's role PM needs to be scrutinized some more, especially in light of any flips tonight. That whole any kind of nuke, and the fact that Z-BosoN flipped with specific types of nukes in his role PM, looks bad. For reference - You are a Bunker Owner! You've seen a cold wars in your time and you realized it's better to be safe than sorry. You're immune to all but American and Radiation nukes. I don't like that HIS role PM spells out certain kinds of nukes, whereas stutters doesn't. It always looked weird in stutters's PM, but Z-BosoN's shows that, at least in some cases, specific types are mentioned.I know geript has done some questionable stuff, but he wouldn't be at the top of my scumread list or my kill list. A lot of that, however, is based on the MG nuke today. Even if they're both scum and geript just burning a defense, ... WHY. SO MANY NUKES JUST NUKE TOWNIES AND TRY TO WIN. It doesn't make sense for scum to be sneaky sneaky sneaky when they're out so far ahead. Also, haven't had time, unsure if will have time, but dead dude filters/suspicions need another look. Maybe rayn, definitely xatalos, possibly the kills last night. Rayn makes more sense as a NK to me than last night's kills, because rayn actually looked very townie to me after his "plan." I disagreed with the reads he drew from it, but the PLAN and his actions were townie. So...maybe he was killed for that, but maybe for reads. As far as last night, i THOUGHT it might indicate that scum was trying to kill the 3P, aiming at Z-BosoN who had been tossed around as a candidate. The VA kill I don't know jack about and was very very unexpected to me both in flip and targetting. Possibly just to push me as a lynch, but that seems kind of egotistical and I think they can push for my mislynch any day without having to kill VA (plus keeping VA alive would help do that, so...not a me-based NK, unsure why though). | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh. Gotcha.I'm leaving it up to Geript to save himself. I'm not saving him because I don't trust him. Oats fucked up his save on Chezinu so I'm not sure what to do about that, and it honestly worries me because I don't believe both him and Geript are both town with the same role. TBH the nuke I'm most likely to affect is the one against Onegu. The question is, what to do with it. I wish Oats either hadn't saved some townies or looked way townier. I was really on his case D2, he was SO FRIGGIN SCUMMY by not reading thread, not even understanding where his reads had been. Saving...ace? Wait...ugh. Oats saved ace D2 right? Geript on jampidampi, oats on ace. I don't even know that we can trust him to actually defend a nuke. Blerg. If you can act, I wouldn't redirect at MG. I wouldn't redirect at stutters IN CASE he's 3P and mafia needs to kill him (this OP more vague than the last game). I'd redirect either myself or Onegu towards snb or ace. If ace flips scum, Oats looks quite bad off the top of my head, but would need to reread the last few days. I don't think I've seem him really affect the game or try to though, but I may just be misremembering because I'll admit to getting caught up in snb/VA/trying to defend self. | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:45 WaveofShadow wrote: This is a solid point but...I don't even know if it matters whether people are claiming scum today or not, with this many nukes.Here's the problem. Since Oats hasn't used his defense he can come back with last minute shennanies now and fuck with me. At least I know Geript can't do that. Oats---if you do this it is as good as a scumclaim in my eyes, just so you know. I just really hope that whatever I do I don't fuck up AGAIN---I've got a dead medic (though a saved MZ?) on my hands and a last-minute redirect onto a scummy-but-town Gumshoe. Whatever. I saved DI who I thought was kinda of scummy to lynch ON, then wanted to lynch jampi over MG. | ||
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On July 18 2013 05:00 johnnywup wrote: If scum is willing to go with odd NKs just for the lulz, then we're incredibly boned already. I'd rather assume we're not in THAT deep a hole.@austin I think last nights kills were scum taunting us. "You think z-boson is 3p? you think VA might be scum? ahahaha" at least thats what it seemed like to me when I read the day post :| Another possible option is that, given we've had a number of people claim and a number of people not (and assuming some of the unclaimed are scum), scum wanted to clear out unknowns. Rayn doesn't really fit that category, but Z-BosoN might. | ||
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On July 18 2013 06:00 geript wrote: Dunno about giving people nukes.Can anyone think of who would give Koshi a nuke? @WoS. Whoops claimed to have his nuke destroyed IIRC. Only person who's claimed being able to blow up factories so far is Austin (although Ace so far is unclaimed afaik). Also... Why would anyone save Chez? That's pretty fucked up. To the folks who ... got nukes today, are some of your roles actual world leaders? I interpreted the PM and the asstons of nukes fires as this being some sort of game event, all world leaders standing get nukes. Or something? My role PM doesn't have a country alignment, so I dunno if most other roles are part of a specific country and they got nukes. Shouldn't be THIS many factories still up and producing I wouldn't think. | ||
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On July 18 2013 06:22 geript wrote: Woulda ended up being Nirvana.GaboIn case there's a last second redirect to me, I can save someone who I think is town. It's the same reason why I waited on D1. Just wasn't sure enough to save was it ON I forget, and hard to format on my phone at work. | ||
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I couldn't tell how much you guys were testing each other by asking about shot numbers and things on D2. | ||
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If that was actually an oats save, then that trio seems likely to be scum. Dunno if we've got a chance to lynch into it or not after today, but the save for little reason followed by entirely no more commentary on today...ain't good snb now drops below that group I guess? Lynch into sure things over him, but his play don't match past games and he's putting in no effort. gl town | ||
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On July 21 2013 09:02 VayneAuthority wrote: I always feel like what I'm doing makes sense, but it sometimes doesn't play out that way.I thought austin was the scum leader and not Ace....His play threw me off so much this game. Made no sense from a town POV :/ I really found you scummy after looking back over. It happens to me with some people, but the way you barely or didn't explain some of your reads didn't smell good to me. | ||
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