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On July 13 2013 03:49 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 01:59 geript wrote:
5. The people who are calling me scum are hilarious. Koshi specifically looks worse for this because they're finding superficial reasons to think me scum and not following the points to their conclusion. 1) What happened between shooting down the nuke to prevent jampi dieing and you voting for jampi getting lynched? 2) Why didn't you shoot down the nukes for Ace and Xatalos? Do you think Xatalos and Ace are scummy/were scummy on the moment the nuke was flying towards them? 3) Do you believe GM is scum? 4) Do you still believe that taking down that nuke was a good idea? If not, when did you change your mind? I believe that you made not-logical steps. + Show Spoiler +On July 12 2013 03:58 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 03:49 Xatalos wrote:On July 12 2013 03:47 geript wrote:
Here's the logical flaw. No way that nuke is landing on Jampi. How come? Because I'm going to shoot it down. Here's the full situation with Jampi: 1. He's town and the nuke lands. Yay he's town!!! However, we have an infinite vig or something akin to it, but it's in the hands of a lurky bad player. That's bad news bears. 2. He's town and I shoot the nuke down. Yay he's town!!! But we don't have to deal with him gaining powers.3. He's scum and the nuke lands. YAY he fake claimed and got shot in the face!!!! 4. He's scum and the nuke lands but makes him awesome. BOOOOH we've just superpowered scum. 5. He's scum and the gets shot down. We don't know he's scum, but he's easily lynchable and don't superpower him. Of the situations where the nuke lands, only 1 is good for us and I don't think Jampi was fake claiming. Of the situations where the nuke doesn't land, all of them are better for us. Pretty simple really. And yes, I'm assuming all nukes are radiation nukes. As a matter of fact: ##defend jampidampiLet's get a lynch contest going. About this post. 1. What are you saying here? If the nukes fall or not we still have an infinite vig or something akin to it... 2. You are happy that we don't have to deal with a town with superpowers? This is a reason to let the nuke fall. 3. that would be why you don't defend him. Another reason to let the nuke fall. 4. The only reason I read why you would shoot the nuke. What superpower were you expecting? 5. This would be a reason to let the nuke fall. Am I missing the point?
This post just reeks of scum talking points. There's nothing here that isn't covered by reading my filter... You know which anyone who makes a case against me should do in full.
But lets cover why these are scum type empty questions:
1. At no point was I trying to specifically save Jampi. Rather, I wanted to prevent the nuke because it gives us more information via a competitive lynch and because in only 1 scenario out of 5 did not shooting it down end up negatively. As for why I ended up voting Jampi... That is in my filter and posted. Wish I hadn't switched as I could've made the right play and lynched scum. Oh well
2. Why do I need to shoot down every nuke? How is this answer in any way important? Does it make me scum for wanting to use my power late in the day to get a better read on people by how the respond to the nuke? Basically he's trying to insinuate that I'm not town because of who I've chosen, or not chosen, to save but not looked at when and how I e considered using my power.
3. Should be pretty obvious that maju is scum now. Are you not suspicious of maju?
4. Again, why does this have anything to do with scum hunting? How does the fact that it was the right play to make and I did it make me scum? It doesn't. Just worthless fluff discussion.
This last section is rather hysterical. Before the nuke lands I don't know Jampi's alignment. If he's town, then I'm saving him or preventing us from having to deal with a bad player with a seemingly super powered role. In the situation you're proposing, you saying that I'm scum with maju and know his nuke was a "radiation nuke." If that's the case then why wouldn't I hard bus Maju like I fucking love to do. I fucking love to bus.
Tldr
Koshi wants to point to one specific thing that magically makes me scum. There's no reasoning here for me to be scum. None whatsoever. There's not even a direction in this post. My filter is what 8-10 pages and there's 1 specific action he's solely focusing on??? That's not towny. Look at how Rayn and I made peace with each other... We continued to evaluate and ditched old bad assumptions and moved on as new information came to light. This doesn't look like any attempt to evaluate me from any perspective.
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1 post does not scum make
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@Ace. You know that stutters said it wouldn't work... Why fire it? He's the 100% lynch.
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Wouldn't work may not work... You knew what I meant.
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[QUOTE]On July 13 2013 07:23 Ace wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 13 2013 07:18 geript wrote:
I think the voting should come down to SnB and Onegu now that we know jampi and Xatalos were town IO. [/QUOTE]
Why not fire into those instead? And then lynch them later if it doesn't work.
Either way. We need to lynch Maju still for certainty
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On July 13 2013 07:24 Ace wrote:
and we'll wait till we see if this nuke is legit before doing so. FirmTofu could also produce nukes, so he probably gave one to an active player so we still have options.
He gave it to Xat...
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On July 13 2013 07:32 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 07:27 geript wrote:On July 13 2013 07:24 Ace wrote:
and we'll wait till we see if this nuke is legit before doing so. FirmTofu could also produce nukes, so he probably gave one to an active player so we still have options. He gave it to Xat... That would make sense indeed. Sometimes you do make logical posts.
Look, scum KP is almost always based on the # of scum left. Is there a reason we should risk not killing scum for sure? Especially when we don't even know the odds of him going boom or the fact that stutters may only be able to give duds. Who knows. This is a bastard game for sure.
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Yah. More after I finish working
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On July 13 2013 07:51 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 07:27 geript wrote:On July 13 2013 07:24 Ace wrote:
and we'll wait till we see if this nuke is legit before doing so. FirmTofu could also produce nukes, so he probably gave one to an active player so we still have options. He gave it to Xat... Where did you see him say that? He hid it in his filter?
Xat "got" a nuke... But then didn't. FT had like 3+ posts saying to trust Xat... 1+1=2
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Idk why everyone wants to nuke Maju instead of lynch him. We 100% know that there are multiples of multiple roles. A nuke could be redirected in the last minute which would be devastating. A highly suspected scummier could defend him last minute. He could somehow be immune to the nuke. The best action would be to lynch him and fire nukes elsewhere. Hell if you think that I'm scum with Maju, wouldn't I just shoot it down last second? Take the sure route and lynch him.
@WoS. You've seen me be scum here a decent amount. Remember how good of scum I've been? In the game I was hella carried by bugs, BH, and Kita. Every other time I've been scummy as fuck and narrowly avoided lynches because town derped. Have I realistically gotten that much better overnight? Rayn trusted me. Catalogs trusted me. I really don't get what your beef is.
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On July 13 2013 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Actually, I remember your dick-move analysis. So never mind.
So you've essentially called me scum all game, never wavering from it, and because of one post I make you immediately flip that around?
yah pretty much. There are things that I don't think you would do as scum. I mean, I've never played with you as scum or read your scum game whichever one that was. But with as often as you have reminded us that you DON"T LIE, then I don't think you're lying about your kid being sick. Further, I mean sure you could bring up your son being sick as scum to get a free pass to lurk, but I don't think that's how you would play.
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On July 13 2013 11:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why weren't you pushing me before that?
Why didn't you make a case on me?
You limply left your vote on me until nearly the end of D1 for basically zero reason and then you jumped on board the ON fail-wagon.
I seem to remember you in one of our earlier games (I can't remember which it was, I looked) saying something about how you never pushed a read all game as scum. It's funny because this reminds me of that play. The endless early tunnel also reminds me of your scumplay in The Game, as I mentioned earlier. Have you gotten better overnight? No, you've gotten better over the course of quite a few scumgames that you've had.
Let's assume you ARE town right now, however. Let's also assume MG is being nuked and he is not on the table. Who is your scumread?
I was pushing you before that. I never ended up casing you up because each time I tried there were people who I found to be more scummy and you had a mixed filter. Besides, on top of dick move analysis you just did patented WoS conspiracy theory so I really couldn't careless.
Give me a second to read filters and update reads. I've been thinking about the kills last night and no one has talked about FT being NK'd which seems odd to me as this is his second? game afaik.
I want to lynch MG instead of being nuked... besides him I need to look at austin, ace and a few others. At least one of Onegu/Alakaslam is scum. Maybe both. I'll explain more later.
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On July 13 2013 10:35 geript wrote:
Idk why everyone wants to nuke Maju instead of lynch him. We 100% know that there are multiples of multiple roles. A nuke could be redirected in the last minute which would be devastating. A highly suspected scummier could defend him last minute. He could somehow be immune to the nuke. The best action would be to lynch him and fire nukes elsewhere. Hell if you think that I'm scum with Maju, wouldn't I just shoot it down last second? Take the sure route and lynch him.
This is why I don't want MG nuked. It's a plain waste of a nuke that we could get better analysis from elsewise.
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On July 13 2013 12:36 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 12:34 geript wrote:On July 13 2013 10:35 geript wrote:
Idk why everyone wants to nuke Maju instead of lynch him. We 100% know that there are multiples of multiple roles. A nuke could be redirected in the last minute which would be devastating. A highly suspected scummier could defend him last minute. He could somehow be immune to the nuke. The best action would be to lynch him and fire nukes elsewhere. Hell if you think that I'm scum with Maju, wouldn't I just shoot it down last second? Take the sure route and lynch him.
This is why I don't want MG nuked. It's a plain waste of a nuke that we could get better analysis from elsewise. But this could be true of any scum. And we would have the same problem.
Scum KP is almost always based off of the # of living scum. Removing 1 scum for sure is top priority IMO. We can get other scum later or nuke them. Right now we're down 8 town and only 1 scum. Best option is to try and reduce KP to give ourselves more time if it's necessary.
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On July 13 2013 12:57 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 12:42 geript wrote:On July 13 2013 12:36 Onegu wrote:On July 13 2013 12:34 geript wrote:On July 13 2013 10:35 geript wrote:
Idk why everyone wants to nuke Maju instead of lynch him. We 100% know that there are multiples of multiple roles. A nuke could be redirected in the last minute which would be devastating. A highly suspected scummier could defend him last minute. He could somehow be immune to the nuke. The best action would be to lynch him and fire nukes elsewhere. Hell if you think that I'm scum with Maju, wouldn't I just shoot it down last second? Take the sure route and lynch him.
This is why I don't want MG nuked. It's a plain waste of a nuke that we could get better analysis from elsewise. But this could be true of any scum. And we would have the same problem. Scum KP is almost always based off of the # of living scum. Removing 1 scum for sure is top priority IMO. We can get other scum later or nuke them. Right now we're down 8 town and only 1 scum. Best option is to try and reduce KP to give ourselves more time if it's necessary. I just took my methadone so Im not really following you here. 1 We lynch MZ he is scum and he is bussed, we nuke other and they flip town. We get zero info 2 Same as 1 except our nuke is at scum and is redirected. Depending on who redirected and to who we get zero to little info 3 We nuke MZ and vote someone, nuke lands. Then we can also analyze votes and cases depending on the flip. 4 same as 3 except nuke doesnt land, depending on the timeing of the nuke switch or destruction, we may still have time to lynch him. Am I wrong here?
Look, WoS redirection didn't have to be posted in the thread. I'm assuming defenses have to be posted in the thread. But scum being able to redirect a nuke at the last second is too much of a risk. There's not a reason for it. And putting a nuke on scum or town tends to be very telling in how they react to it. There's just no reason to put ourselves at a risk of a nuke going afoul to try and hit two scum at once without trixies going on.
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KNOWLEDGE NUKE INCOMING
Ok so a few things to start off with. I've been exploring the idea of Dandel being bussed. The anti-DI lynch came primarily from Rayn and myself and Xat got on board as well and we were looking for an alternative lynch here.
The basic responses that were given were:
On July 09 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote:DI is more of a known quantity and therefore his uselessness/lurkiness/early posts can be compared to his behavior in other games or what people expect out of him.
Afaik, abenson and caucasianasian are not in that boat. Also, while I like Dandel Ion, caucasianasian is a much better name and is fun to write. If he dies, we are unlikely to type out his name.
On July 09 2013 03:44 Stutters695 wrote:
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post of the thread
On July 09 2013 03:48 austinmcc wrote:If it's on DI, then I think it has the possibility to be a mislynch. My gut read on DI's entrance to the thread was ACTUALLY that it was scummy, because it felt like it was unnecessary to be active/trolly when the rest of the thread was, and so it was more to be able to say "see, here's an active/trolly start from me before I got down to business, just like you guys saw days ago in PTP."
That has passed since he's not around. Based on that gut read of his entrance into thread, I'm actually not convinced he'd be a mislynch.
If the lynch is on chezinu, I think it's a mislynch.
On July 09 2013 03:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
dandel's last scum game consisted of typing lawl and u mad? and fake claiming SK until he was finally lynched
so yea
On July 09 2013 04:01 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:45 VayneAuthority wrote:
lool nice post of the thread stutters. who you gonna vote for boy DI. He's scum
I post these for one very simple reason. There's a huge switch after the ON case by Austin here. The specific thing that I want to draw your attention to on austin is the huge switch in attitude in a short manner of time.
On July 09 2013 03:42 austinmcc wrote: First DI Accusation
On July 09 2013 03:48 austinmcc wrote:Second DI Accusation
On July 09 2013 04:10 austinmcc wrote:ON Case
I don't know about you guys, but there are a few things that stick out as being exceptionally suspicious to me here. First, it takes me a while to put a case together. Like a long time to type and cross reference and make sure things make sense etc. and that case wasn't exactly short, so for austin to pump that out he must not have put a load of time into it. I find this important because it tells me that he has vested interest in shifting the lynch off of DI and onto someone else. Second, Austin was thinking that DI was actually scummy yet he pulls ON out of his hat to say "Hey I want to lynch this guy right now instead." But if DI is scummy, why doesn't he do anything at all to try and push the DI as scum read instead of give tacit "scummy bro is scummy" comments. Third, austin had previous thought negatively of ON + Show Spoiler +On July 08 2013 06:30 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 06:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
xata, austin, and geript shut up for a second and tell me why we shouldn't lynch dandel There isn't a reason not to lynch him eventually, based on his play so far. I think that his filter is full of junk. His playful posts in the beginning add nothing. He's very, very ... accusatory/bristly, when I don't see a need for him to be. That's a characteristic to compare to past games. Early post towards you, later post towards johnny, just really being antagonistic when there's no reason. Beyond those, he's chimed in on a couple things but either after others have said the same thing, or with chiming that doesn't actually do anything/go anywhere. He don't look groovy. Yes. Xat fakenuked Chez.
TLDR edition
You can add this to Xat's points, but Austin should be the next lynch for sure (after Maju) or be nuked.
I have to get up in 2-3 hours to go work a race then work. I'll be back for a bit tomorrow and later on to post the others. FWIW I'm far less sure that Koshi is scum and I think I may have been overreacting after reading his filter.
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Other than Austin, who is scum Maju?
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@Koshi. Do you think that both Austin and I are scum?
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@@Koshi. Look I understand that you're new and/or bad and/or scum. My personal bet is new and bad considering you're making rather insane pre-flip associations. As Marv would put it, too mental to be mafia. I'll link a guide when I'm not on phone. But you really need to stay away from pre-flip associations. But basically you need to look at both sides of the argument. Not just.. This could make X person scum but also this could make X town and weigh the two.
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