EPTNewbie Mini Mafia XLIII - Page 21
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Xzavier
United States393 Posts
| ||
|
Xzavier
United States393 Posts
| ||
|
Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On June 25 2013 14:32 Onegu wrote: If there will be a case then why post this about your gut? Because it's true. If I have a gut read, I do seek to substantiate it with a case to convince other people though. I don't expect anyone else to be convinced by my gut. What about this statement makes you think I couldn't say it as town? (NB. You should be thinking this about any scum read.) Sure a differance on opinion isnt scum indicative, but you postion on something pro scum and makeing multiple posts on it is. And if you make a case on it and people agree with you because they dont see the reasons could let it happen. You weren't the first person to ask for the reveal so it did have a chance to convince the NN to come forward. This is ridiculous. You just keep repeating the same thing over and over again. Even if it was a pro-scum position, plenty of people had already said they thought it was a bad idea. I knew when I made that argument that I was arguing against thread sentiment and did it anyway, because I thought (and still think) that that claim would lead to town advantage. You can't say that someone is scum just because they did some stuff which they MIGHT do as scum. You have to find something which they WOULDN'T do as town. | ||
|
FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On June 25 2013 14:36 Xzavier wrote: Okay. heres something plane and simple. what scum in their right mind would call everybody fkn retarded? thats a death wish as scum. it brings so much attention to you. but it CAN be useful as town. How is calling everyone retarded useful as town? You are quite the character, sir. | ||
|
Xzavier
United States393 Posts
by your own words you hav nothing on me. | ||
|
Xzavier
United States393 Posts
On June 25 2013 14:45 FirmTofu wrote: How is calling everyone retarded useful as town? You are quite the character, sir. It provokes reaction albiet im regretting that decision as i recieved a warning for it, rightfully so. However its useless and counterproductive for scum play. | ||
|
hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On June 25 2013 00:46 Alakaslam wrote: If it helps, you guide my vote until you look scummy. Alakaslam, at the time that you posted that, what gave you such a strong town read on Onegu? | ||
|
FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On June 25 2013 14:49 Xzavier wrote: It provokes reaction albiet im regretting that decision as i recieved a warning for it, rightfully so. However its useless and counterproductive for scum play. Well, your statement would be valid if you were referring to a singular person. By calling everyone all you do is piss everyone off and make yourself look like an asshole. Might want to keep that in mind for the future. | ||
|
Xzavier
United States393 Posts
On June 25 2013 14:51 hzflank wrote: In my opinion, Alakaslam has posted the single most scummy sentence in this thread. On the whole I do not think Alakaslam is scummy, but I do think the following post aimed at Onegu should be taken notice of. Alakaslam, at the time that you posted that, what gave you such a strong town read on Onegu? Holu fuck how did i miss that. Thats a fucking excuse to not scumhunt at all . If he doesnt provide an adaquate response my vote will go to him. I think its obvious he might knowvsomething we dont. | ||
|
Xzavier
United States393 Posts
On June 25 2013 14:55 FirmTofu wrote: Well, your statement would be valid if you were referring to a singular person. By calling everyone all you do is piss everyone off and make yourself look like an asshole. Might want to keep that in mind for the future. Noted! Now. what do you think about alakazam. | ||
|
Xzavier
United States393 Posts
On June 25 2013 14:55 FirmTofu wrote: Well, your statement would be valid if you were referring to a singular person. By calling everyone all you do is piss everyone off and make yourself look like an asshole. Might want to keep that in mind for the future. That also makes the second half of my statement even more valid. | ||
|
Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On June 25 2013 14:51 hzflank wrote: In my opinion, Alakaslam has posted the single most scummy sentence in this thread. On the whole I do not think Alakaslam is scummy, but I do think the following post aimed at Onegu should be taken notice of. Alakaslam, at the time that you posted that, what gave you such a strong town read on Onegu? If Alakaslam isn't your scumread, who is? Do you still think I am scum after my replies to the cases against me? In either case, who are your other scumreads? | ||
|
Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On June 25 2013 14:44 Aquanim wrote: Because it's true. If I have a gut read, I do seek to substantiate it with a case to convince other people though. I don't expect anyone else to be convinced by my gut. What about this statement makes you think I couldn't say it as town? (NB. You should be thinking this about any scum read.) This is ridiculous. You just keep repeating the same thing over and over again. Even if it was a pro-scum position, plenty of people had already said they thought it was a bad idea. I knew when I made that argument that I was arguing against thread sentiment and did it anyway, because I thought (and still think) that that claim would lead to town advantage. You can't say that someone is scum just because they did some stuff which they MIGHT do as scum. You have to find something which they WOULDN'T do as town. Necause you dont have to convince everyone just the NN to reveal. And the hell I cant say someone isnt scum because they do things they might do as scum. When people do scummy things normally they are scum... | ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
![[image loading]](http://morphinlegacy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/samurai4.png) Chromatically (0): fyfy (0): hzflank (0): FirmTofu (0): Spicydinosaur (1): FirmTofu Xzavier (3): LoneMeow, Chromatically, Aquanim Aquanim (3): hzflank, Xzavier, Onegu Not Voting: Hurricane Sponge StiMaDDict fyfy Spicydinosaur Alakaslam Xzavier is set to be lynched!! If there is a mistake in the vote count, please let me know. Day ends in [unparsable timestamp format] | ||
|
Onegu
United States9699 Posts
Because not necause | ||
|
FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
| ||
|
Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On June 25 2013 15:13 Onegu wrote: Necause you dont have to convince everyone just the NN to reveal. And the hell I cant say someone isnt scum because they do things they might do as scum. When people do scummy things normally they are scum... I don't think you understand how the NN claim would work. It only works if EVERYBODY agrees on the plan. The reason for this is that if there is no Nosy Neighbour at all, we have to KNOW that if there was one, they would have claimed. If only a few people agree, and then don't claim it, we don't know whether there is a Nosy Neighbour among the people who didn't agree or not, and so we don't accomplish anything. In response to your second point... if there is a plausible towny explanation for all of somebody's actions, then they are likely town. Things which someone might reasonably do as both town or scum are not scummy, in fact they are not alignment-indicative at all. I have given my reasons, as a town player, for doing all of the things which you've asked me about. (And to forestall Xzavier jumping on this last part and asking what about his play could only be from scum, it's the total lack of interest in seeking new information and finding scum.) | ||
|
hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On June 25 2013 15:11 Aquanim wrote: If Alakaslam isn't your scumread, who is? Do you still think I am scum after my replies to the cases against me? In either case, who are your other scumreads? You are, but I admit that this as much to do with process than anything else. Sorry for the hold up, I am trying to make a case against you starting as neutral as I can. I am also trying to ignore anything about NN in my case. I am finding it hard to do because being neutral is harder than it sounds, but I will get there. I am not going to name any other names until I am done with you one way or the other, as I have a habit of splitting attention. In my first read I did not find your replies to the cases against you to be good enough, but if that remains the case after my next reads I will explain why. Currently I think you are more scummy than anyone else, but with 10 people to choose from (Stim does not count), the most scummy is not as much as I would like. Okay, my next post will be a case, but it may take up to 30 minutes. | ||
|
Xzavier
United States393 Posts
On June 25 2013 15:16 FirmTofu wrote: Hey Xzavier, what do you think about Spicy? Would you be willing to switch your vote onto him? Honestly not today. he did a really good jpb as town last game and gave some good insights. After going threw his filter it seems like he was forced into a defensive posting pattern due to pressure. he hasnt said much recently. Honestly i wouldnt mind lynching alakazam day 1. But ill giv him a chance to respond. Im really not liking chrom or auqa for their tunnelling me while ignoring logic and basing everything off of the fact that i havnt caught scum yet or made a case. | ||
|
Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On June 25 2013 15:29 Xzavier wrote: Honestly not today. he did a really good jpb as town last game and gave some good insights. After going threw his filter it seems like he was forced into a defensive posting pattern due to pressure. he hasnt said much recently. Honestly i wouldnt mind lynching alakazam day 1. But ill giv him a chance to respond. Im really not liking chrom or auqa for their tunnelling me while ignoring logic and basing everything off of the fact that i havnt caught scum yet or made a case. Oh for... I don't expect you to awesomely catch scum day 1 or to make some super-excellent case. I expect you to be doing SOMETHING conducive to finding scum, and you haven't at all. | ||
| ||
