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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
Him saying the bolded part really bothers me, it is a failsafe for him to later say his gut lead him to make votes without having to make cases behind it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381931¤tpage=18#344 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386911¤tpage=53#1045 Mate, are you in any way familiar with my meta? If I lead a wagon with serious intent to lynch somebody there WILL be a case. The other big thing about him is he kept the NN thing going way to long almost half his posts deal with the NN, when it is a bad idea, what if the NN claims day one but scum counterclaims day 4 we still dont know who is who it only give scum an advantage and for him to harp on it over and over is scummy to me. STILL this? 1) A difference of opinions on policy is not scum-indicative 2) If I knew that the NN claiming was obviously scum-favoured and that I had no chance to make it happen, why would I suggest it as town or scum? It would make me look bad either way. Your reasons for voting me are all 12 hours old. It seems a very convenient time for you to bring those up now that there are a couple of other votes on me. On June 25 2013 13:13 Xzavier wrote: OMGUS more Still pathetic. Make a real case or eat rope. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
I believe hzflank, Xzavier, and Onegu have all voted Aquanim and Chromatically and Aquanim have both voted Xzavier. It is funny that hzflank's theory could still be real. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
My point about you being strong town was just that you know how to scumread. It doesn't matter if you were wrong before, I saw how you know what scumhunting looks like and how to do it. Are you planning on not scumhunting at all this game because it "didn't work out for you" last game? I sure hope not. Your scumread on Aqua is weakly reasoned. You accuse him of posting nothing and shopping thread sentiment, when you posted nothing and then dropped thread sentiment. If someone could tell me the actual points against Aqua, that would be nice, because he really doesn't look like the best lynch for today. Everyone with their vote not on Xzav should move it there or explain why. He's posted fluff when he's clearly capable of scumhunting, and only now comes in with a bad read on Aqua sheeping thread sentiment. He's being extremely defensive in an unnecessary way after one vote on him. Not to mention how he was clearly active lurking when he responded 5 minutes after my case on him after posting nothing all day. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On June 25 2013 13:28 FirmTofu wrote: This is good. We are starting to see two groups of people voting for 2 distinctly different people. This will tell us quite a bit post-lynch about who is aligned with who, regardless of the flip. I will not proclaim my leanings yet as we still have to hear from quite a few people and we still have some time before the lynch. I believe hzflank, Xzavier, and Onegu have all voted Aquanim and Chromatically and Aquanim have both voted Xzavier. It is funny that hzflank's theory could still be real. EBWOP: Add Meow to the list of people voting for Xzavier. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On June 25 2013 13:28 Aquanim wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381931¤tpage=18#344 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386911¤tpage=53#1045 Mate, are you in any way familiar with my meta? If I lead a wagon with serious intent to lynch somebody there WILL be a case. STILL this? 1) A difference of opinions on policy is not scum-indicative 2) If I knew that the NN claiming was obviously scum-favoured and that I had no chance to make it happen, why would I suggest it as town or scum? It would make me look bad either way. Your reasons for voting me are all 12 hours old. It seems a very convenient time for you to bring those up now that there are a couple of other votes on me. Still pathetic. Make a real case or eat rope. As I have said meta is useless in a noobie game as people are still figureing out thier playstyle and as I was about to sleep 12 hours ago and I just woke up I dont see how the timeing is wierd... | ||
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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
Your trying to bring up a point but ignoring the logic that proves it wrong. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On June 25 2013 13:36 Onegu wrote: As I have said meta is useless in a noobie game as people are still figureing out thier playstyle and as I was about to sleep 12 hours ago and I just woke up I dont see how the timeing is wierd... Meta in newbies is of limited usefulness, particularly for assessing scuminess directly - people's scumgames could change dramatically. However, if someone has demonstrated a capability for making cases/scumhunting/not being utterly useless/etc. there is no reason why that capability should disappear. I won't magically choose to start playing worse just for the sake of changing my playstyle. I am making the point that I can and will make cases to justify my vote when necessary, which I can prove by citing previous games. As far as I can tell, I've refuted both of the points which make up your case on me. Is there any reason your vote is still on me? If so, please share it. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
The point was just that you are capable of scumhunting. You're not doing it. Why? If you really think that Aqua is scum, put some real reasons up. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
However, if someone has demonstrated a capability for making cases/scumhunting/not being utterly useless/etc. there is no reason why that capability should disappear. I won't magically choose to start playing worse just for the sake of changing my playstyle. | ||
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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
What exactly do you have against me? besides lurking and trying to find an effective meta and OMGISing me in an attempt to stay alive? Your saying that because i havnt started a wagon yet im scum. basically. is that right? Idk why your tunneling me over people who havnt even posted yet (or only have enough flyf not to get modkilled) AND SINCE I DO HAVE THIS ANALYTICAL ABILITY. WHY LYNCH THE PERSON WHO CAN CATCH SCUM!!!!! Lolol. that sure seems like a scummy thing to say to me lol. | ||
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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
On June 25 2013 13:44 Chromatically wrote: I'm not even talking about meta. The point was just that you are capable of scumhunting. You're not doing it. Why? If you really think that Aqua is scum, put some real reasons up. i was planning to then my brother came home. and compiling a full on case on a phone is impossible. You cant do it without copy and pasten and i will add more before i go to class tomorrow. | ||
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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
lalalalalala meta I FUCKING GET WHAT YOUR SAYING. But i think what im saying also makes sense. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On June 25 2013 14:02 Xzavier wrote: I suppose im not catching scum fast enough for you? your entire arguement is based off meta lol lalalalalala meta I FUCKING GET WHAT YOUR SAYING. But i think what im saying also makes sense. For the record, my "LA LA LA" thing was directed at Onegu. | ||
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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On June 25 2013 14:07 Xzavier wrote: Oh okay. i take it back. But do you understand that me not having a case made now doesnt mean i wont make any day2 after i have faaaaaaar more information. Like I said, I don't really know your meta and it's not relevant to my read. Your play today, in as of itself, may be summed up in three points: 1) some useless talk in the first 12 hours 2) a vote on me with poor justification 3) some unconvincing defence It's not so much that you haven't made a case as that I see no indication in your filter that you are interested in finding scum. Sure, you've put a vote down, anyone can do that, but besides that? Nothing. No questions, no pressure, no evidence that you are reading deeply into the thread as a whole, nothing. | ||
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Xzavier
United States393 Posts
On June 25 2013 13:30 Chromatically wrote: Xzav definitely scum. My point about you being strong town was just that you know how to scumread. It doesn't matter if you were wrong before, I saw how you know what scumhunting looks like and how to do it. Are you planning on not scumhunting at all this game because it "didn't work out for you" last game? I sure hope not. Your scumread on Aqua is weakly reasoned. You accuse him of posting nothing and shopping thread sentiment, when you posted nothing and then dropped thread sentiment. If someone could tell me the actual points against Aqua, that would be nice, because he really doesn't look like the best lynch for today. Everyone with their vote not on Xzav should move it there or explain why. He's posted fluff when he's clearly capable of scumhunting, and only now comes in with a bad read on Aqua sheeping thread sentiment. He's being extremely defensive in an unnecessary way after one vote on him. Not to mention how he was clearly active lurking when he responded 5 minutes after my case on him after posting nothing all day. This is silly. Your blaming me for not making a case yet. Mabye i dont hav enough strong evidence to make a case yet? Mabye iv been busy. There are a hundred reasons why. but claiming somebody is scum because i havnt made a case yet is silly. and i dont even know where your coming up with all of my skills. i would have you crying and been reading your body and facial expressions like a book if this were irl mafia. but its forum mafia. so sorry for not being an analytical god my second day of forum mafia. Id like everybody with a vote on me to answer my arguements and come up with a realistc, reasonable and logical reason for lynching me. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
 Xzavier, we are all working with extremely limited information here, but we have to do the best we can with what we have. I still have Aquanim as my primary scum read, but I am not happy with how I went about it. I think I promised this before but after my next coffee I am going to attempt to make a case on him from scratch. If I have time I will make a couple of cases on other people solely for comparison, but I wont promise to post those until I consider the influence that they might have on voting. I also need to read a few filters because I think we all missed a massive scum tell yesterday and it is bugging me. So much to do! | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On June 25 2013 13:28 Aquanim wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381931¤tpage=18#344 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386911¤tpage=53#1045 Mate, are you in any way familiar with my meta? If I lead a wagon with serious intent to lynch somebody there WILL be a case. STILL this? 1) A difference of opinions on policy is not scum-indicative 2) If I knew that the NN claiming was obviously scum-favoured and that I had no chance to make it happen, why would I suggest it as town or scum? It would make me look bad either way. Your reasons for voting me are all 12 hours old. It seems a very convenient time for you to bring those up now that there are a couple of other votes on me. Still pathetic. Make a real case or eat rope. If there will be a case then why post this about your gut? Sure a differance on opinion isnt scum indicative, but you postion on something pro scum and makeing multiple posts on it is. And if you make a case on it and people agree with you because they dont see the reasons could let it happen. You weren't the first person to ask for the reveal so it did have a chance to convince the NN to come forward. | ||
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