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Aquanim
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Australia2849 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-06 08:15:57
July 06 2013 08:12 GMT
#1946
On July 06 2013 06:27 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Also any comments/criticism on my play is welcome.

I've never actually rolled scum so I'm not sure how useful my comments will be, but there are one or two things I've thought of. I think you played a pretty good scum game - you were the only one of the scum team with a significant amount of thread presence and sway over the town after day one. There was never any one thing in your filter I could point to and say "scum did that".

I think what you might need to keep in mind is your overall attitude to the game - your reads generally made sense, you didn't out yourself through those, but you never tried to make anything much happen in the thread. You don't have to make any huge gambits like hzflank's Veteran fakeclaim but you do need to look like you're having an impact and trying to push a (town) agenda. If you look at the filter of Hurricane, hzflank, FirmTofu, Chromatically or myself I think there will be a lot more proactive behaviour than in yours. Obviously there's a limit to what you want to do as scum, but you would like to look at least similar to a townie.

EDIT: I don't necessarily mean pushing for a lynch by "proactive behaviour", though obviously that is a good example. Actively trying to generate useful information, and synthesising it into a relevant conclusion, is another example.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
July 06 2013 12:08 GMT
#1950
So, Geript implied there were prepared analysis posts...
<hint hint>
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
July 08 2013 03:21 GMT
#1961
I see what you're saying about the rest of the situation (particularly why Onegu had to claim as scum too), but personally I think a scum Alakaslam would almost have had no choice other than to counterclaim at that point...

If you look at the playerlist at that point:
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FirmTofu
Hurricane Sponge
hzflank
Aquanim

Onegu
Alakaslam
Spicydinosaur
LoneMeow
StiMaDDict

The green indicates the people who I think scum could not reasonably count on mislynching (if Alakaslam was scum). If Onegu goes uncounterclaimed he's almost certain not to be lynched, and after that there aren't enough mislynches in the town for scum to win. If they secure an Onegu mislynch, even if Alakaslam is lynched afterwards, they only need to make sure the last null-zone townie is lynched before both of them - a reasonable proposition.

You said that scum can't trade 1 for 1 because the numbers aren't in their favour, but if you look at the math in this way:
- Scum need two mislynches to win
- Town need three scum lynches to win
a 1 for 1 trade might actually benefit scum.

Also, momentum was building for an Alakaslam lynch prior to his claim - without that claim, I think we'd have either lynched him or (possible) policy-lynched StiM. Trading his likely lynch for a chance of a lynch into a town PR would have been worthwhile IMO.

The whole thing about not understanding the ramifications of his claim should have been a tell but I've always been mistrustful of such tells, even though they generally turn out to be correct :/

This is pretty much a repeat of the argument I made at the time. Obviously it turned out not to be correct, but I think it offers a reasonable justification for why a scum Alakaslam would have "counterclaimed" Onegu. Is there some flaw with this argument I've missed?
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