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On June 12 2013 08:23 Blazinghand wrote:
and yeah don't shoot oats unless we plan on policying him. otherwise we just have to hope he's not scum i guess.
also, I'm upgrading my townread on hapa to super-mega-ultra town. there's 0 reason for him to pull that stunt as scum when given my play so far he could shoot me and when I flip town say "bah, he had it coming" and everyone would nod along. in fact, hapa, you're probably dead tonight as a result of looking so town.
idk about that some of the top tier players on the site I come from pull that shit all the time since just as you described people believe its "super-town" to fake stuff like that and a lot of worse players will fall for it and spill their guts as scum in their haste to not get lynched/shot. If hapa is as good as you claim then I don't see how that is alignment indicative.
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Blazinghand
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but just regarding GK's slow start. I've said it once (link) and I'll say it again (link) but you got to give the man time to build up momentum.
though i guess i can't exactly call myself a GK meta expert after Les Mafia
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Blazinghand
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On June 12 2013 08:26 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 08:23 Blazinghand wrote:
and yeah don't shoot oats unless we plan on policying him. otherwise we just have to hope he's not scum i guess.
also, I'm upgrading my townread on hapa to super-mega-ultra town. there's 0 reason for him to pull that stunt as scum when given my play so far he could shoot me and when I flip town say "bah, he had it coming" and everyone would nod along. in fact, hapa, you're probably dead tonight as a result of looking so town. idk about that some of the top tier players on the site I come from pull that shit all the time since just as you described people believe its "super-town" to fake stuff like that and a lot of worse players will fall for it and spill their guts as scum in their haste to not get lynched/shot. If hapa is as good as you claim then I don't see how that is alignment indicative.
It's certainly POSSIBLE hapa is scum, but like, look at it this way: he'd have gotten like zero flak for actually shooting me right there. why not shoot me? why fake-shoot me and watch me scramble, then say "ah hah, this was townie of BH?"
Like, obviously he can imitate that as scum, but he had nothing to lose and everything to gain from just shooting me and being like "wow BH i can't believe you trolled this hard as town" or something. you guys would have drank that shit up. If he is scum he's playing it weird. He's not confirmed town or anything but this (plus the mindset thing regarding the 3p stuff) just further solidifies my opinion that hapa is town.
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Alright, consider this my intent to shoot Gravity Man.
I will submit my kill 10 minutes before the deadline.
Stutters and GK both deserve extra days, and shooting either of them is a pure coinflip given their inactivity. Both of them are very readable if they post, and with or without my presence in the town, I trust that people will be able to read them in future days. For those suspicious of Syl, the same could be argued.
GM has been active and has posted, but comes across as attempting to contribute rather than actually contributing. Furthermore he's been trumping up his scum-hunting contributions which are lackluster at best. Even the few players he does analyze, he never takes any concrete stances or even draws actual conclusions about them in his cases.
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Also, I'm on my phone until the end of the day.
I'll be around to read, but don't expect or rely on me posting bombs of analysis in the next hour. I'll attempt to justify any possible switches/judgements I will make to the best of my ability, though it's better for town if others.
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Vayne
AxleGreaser
ShaioPi
Oatsmaster
BlazingHand
Sylencia
GoodKarma
Stutters
Gravity Man
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Gravityman was my original cop inspection so changing that now.
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On June 12 2013 09:01 VayneAuthority wrote:
Gravityman was my original cop inspection so changing that now.
I'd recommend checking one of Syl/Stutters/GK
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On June 12 2013 09:02 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 09:01 VayneAuthority wrote:
Gravityman was my original cop inspection so changing that now. I'd recommend checking one of Syl/Stutters/GK
gonna check one of our GOOD BUDZ
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Alright well since the crazy shooting stuff is over. Here's what I see:
The main reason ShiaoPi was considered town early was that he was outgoing in trying to be mayor. I've already expressed why I think that is a bad metric so if you don't remember go read that. It's null.
His case on Vayne felt town.
What's concerned me since is his stance on jampi. He posts saying that jiampi felt genuine so hapas case was wrong, then once jampi comes back he demands his reads. Jampi gave him a very short version and Shiao decides to vote him (like 8 minutes after demanding the reads).
I've read his rebuttal to axle but if that's how he felt he should have voiced it instead of just voting. He literally have jampi no chance.
What's scummy about this to me is it feels like he's fishing for a reason to revert off his town read. He didn't discuss jampi at all after his town read and then voted him after giving him six minutes to rush out reads. If he had a town read on him why wouldn't he work with him to get reads out under the assumption he'd flip town or follow up after the initial reads were unsatisfactory? He just seems to not care about the lynch as long as he's trying to justify his vote.
He's against saving the mayor power and wants me to be shot on no basis except that I've been away from the thread. That's not how you hit scum, it's how you waste kp and make town lose.
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Also I see hapa plans on shooting GM, I haven't really filtered his shit yet but Hapas reasoning makes sense and I'd be way more comfortable with that than GK.
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I am disappointed. It seems as though the member of this town are looking to attach blame to the fact that no scum have been caught yet, and due to me being unable to find any thus far, it seems I am set to be destroyed. If this is how it must be, however, then it must be, and as such I will spend my last minutes with you exactly as I have been all game; expressing my thoughts and giving what reads I can.
Some things to note:
I am unconvinced in this Blazinghand's act while seemingly at death's door. I feel I am able to read this Hapahauli quite well at this point in the game, and to shoot someone without any warning whatsoever is not a very mayorly thing to do. The false shot was extremely obvious to me, though admittedly an interesting gambit. However, if the false shot was obvious to me, could it not also have been obvious to a player such as this Blazinghand who could then act in the most town-aligned way possible before his death? He has nothing to lose at this point even if the shot were real because were he actually shot and his aligned were revealed to be red, the players in this game would be likely to ignore his final posts as they could be likened to poisoned wine in two goblets. He still gives no reasoning for his reads even when asked yet people conveniently ignore this.
Blazinghand is content to have me destroyed, of course, but an interesting fact to point out is this Blazinghand's mention that he would rather have me hang from a tree than simply be shot with a bullet, thus wasting one of any town's strongest tools, and an entire day on the wrong target. Yes, the mayor bullet is a strong tool as well, and any member of the mafia would enjoying obtaining it, though perhaps the mafia are content to have it wasted here instead? I am unsure.
I am disappointed in general with this Hapahauli for his reasoning to shoot me. He states that I have drawn no conclusions and not contributed yet I have repeatedly given him examples of my contributions and attempting to divine alignments which seemingly go ignored, as few people comment on them. yet I have pointed out this Blazinghand as scum. I have seen no concrete evidence from anyone in this game thus far as to why I should be destroyed, yet everyone is content to do so. This is disconcerting and I get the feeling (what feeling I am capable of, anyway) that scum may very well be in control of this game despite this Hapahauli being our town-aligned mayor.
There are approximately 70 minutes until I will cease to function if this Hapahauli shoots me at 10 minutes before the deadline. I will be present until that time, thus if there is anything in specific you would like from me before that time, please do not hesitate to ask.
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It seems my sentence has been passed already and my imminent destruction does not matter to anyone, nor does determining my thoughts before I am destroyed.
With this attitude I believe that our town is in a great deal of trouble.
I wish you all the best of luck and perhaps we will meet again in another time and place.
+ Show Spoiler +If someone is to absorb my powers after I'm destroyed, just know they are very easy to use. You can make objects fall up instead of down.
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Blazinghand
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but given the good chance of you dying you really should
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Nah. Really just don't have the info I'd like. Treat tomorrow like a double lynch is better.
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On June 12 2013 10:03 Hapahauli wrote:
Nah. Really just don't have the info I'd like. Treat tomorrow like a double lynch is better.
Well I must admit I either cannot read you as well as I thought I once could, or I convinced you.
I am honestly not sure which of those two it is.
You say you do not have the information you want; I am aware revealing said lack of information would be counter-productive, but if you are indeed assassinated like so many good leaders tend to be, we may left in the dark on a useful heuristic.
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On June 12 2013 09:34 Stutters695 wrote:
Also I see hapa plans on shooting GM, I haven't really filtered his shit yet but Hapas reasoning makes sense and I'd be way more comfortable with that than GK.
This concerns me greatly.
What reasoning do you speak of Stutters? This Hapahauli's reasoning was minimal at best and falsified at worst.
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Blazinghand
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On June 12 2013 10:09 GravityMan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 09:34 Stutters695 wrote:
Also I see hapa plans on shooting GM, I haven't really filtered his shit yet but Hapas reasoning makes sense and I'd be way more comfortable with that than GK. This concerns me greatly. What reasoning do you speak of Stutters? This Hapahauli's reasoning was minimal at best and falsified at worst.
GM is wrong but yeah stutters it would be nice to hear specifically what you thought was good/bad
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On June 12 2013 10:17 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 10:09 GravityMan wrote:On June 12 2013 09:34 Stutters695 wrote:
Also I see hapa plans on shooting GM, I haven't really filtered his shit yet but Hapas reasoning makes sense and I'd be way more comfortable with that than GK. This concerns me greatly. What reasoning do you speak of Stutters? This Hapahauli's reasoning was minimal at best and falsified at worst. GM is wrong but yeah stutters it would be nice to hear specifically what you thought was good/bad
Why?
You have not offered any reasoning to many of your statements all game.
Why am I wrong?
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