EPTPTP IV - Demon's Run - Page 99
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On June 28 2013 01:10 Xatalos wrote: Austinmcc's conspiracy theory just triggered a revelation in me... WHAT IF geript and Kitaman27 are scumbuddies... And geript shot him, knowing that he would bus drive himself with Dandel Ion, 1) killing a hard-to-lynch townie 2) gaining towncred for geript if/when Kitaman27 flipped red 3) making an easy bus bandwagon on Kitaman27 for scum team to gain towncred with. In this case I can see austinmcc being scum as well. Doesn't this seem like a plausible scenario? At least I don't see any obvious flaws in it. Good thing we'll flip kita tomorrow and will be able to find out. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I know I know, it's crazy right? Who would do such a thing? But bear with me, it will all make sense in the end, I'm no crazy mofo. So yeah, this "oh what if some random dude is scum because I just said so?" thing is getting tired, at the very least quote something they did previously or scum reads they pushed, etc. Xata, you are doing this now. You are just playing in the "now" in that sense, you take current discussion and just "flow" with it. I did it previously....but at least I made some effort at SOME points to actually read some filters and analyse some people. Why don't you do the same? Also same thing to other players who seem to be doing the same and just seem lazy. Almost everybody is doing this so these whole pages since I left are basically null because very few people are putting actual effort other than saying "DI and kita scum! Of course!" or "geript and kita scum because they could be!" (granted I didn't read most of the posts though). Also posting from work so this will be my only post today before deadline Xfire, no you already met Roshi in that same exact PM (but whatever not important). Xfire, this is important: [b]Tomorrow, as soon as day starts choose option C. Then when you receive that item, tell us you got it. It is a vote stealing ability, so use it on whoever town wants you to use it, and make him vote whoever town wants you to vote. If kita is alive, steal kita's vote right away. If kita's dead, town should reassess so you can steal a scum vote (therefore, if you are town, and even if we are 5v3 or 4v3 or something, we can still win since scum may have 1 less vote). If you are scum then whatever you'll be stealing a scumbuddies vote so who cares? (and town will force you to vote anyways). So with that I'm gone, stop being lazy. You can try by reading some of the stuff I said about Xfire for instance (both in the "conspiracy theory" post and a previous post I made), or the doubts I have about Xata (same again, conspiracy post and previous post. No, sk8 flipping town doesn't make the whole thing invalid just because, it'd be like saying Acro backtracking his case after you make a generic defense makes his case any less valid, which it doesn't, so I suggest you people also read Acro's case). People should be scumhunting right now, if you don't we'll lose I guarantee you that. Scumhunt you fools! | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Xfire, just do something that can be confirmed you have done so, don't choose vet for instance or some shit. I recommend RBing Xata or austin or something, or kita, or WIFOM between them for example, the one you think is more dangerous and can be carrying the scum KP perhaps (if you carry the scum KP then shit I guess). Everything else is unnecessarily confusing so whatever Kill kita. HEAVY analyze Xfire if not kill him if you are lazy Either kill both austin and Xata, or like scumhunt and determine which one is what, discuss, read reactions and pushes, etc. For some other players like maybe Kurumi, just don't let them do nothing at all (which they'll most likely do anyway *sigh* ). DI you "confirmed town" you get your shit together. WOS likely town, even more so because of his enthusiasm to DI resurrecting, they are not both scum and that didn't feel fake. So WOS get shit going as well BC you almost "confirmed town" as well so lead this town for fucks sake. We already know kita scum, we are obviously going to kill him, so stop focusing on that and try hunting the other 2-4 anti-town left please. | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
2) Go out to the hall, 3) Use Empty Gun. I chose 3, should I change it? Also, yeah I see I missed roshi in the pm. I skimmed over his name lol. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
fat chance. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
A lot of the actual stuff in crossfire's filter at this point is about the TARDIS and about his role. But frankly, as someone who didn't make crossfire's role, I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT THE EFF IS GOING ON IN THESE POSTS. Clear this up, because it's actually more to go on than most anything else in his filter. On June 27 2013 04:36 Crossfire99 wrote: Sorry for disappearing, I've been really busy. I'm here now until lynch. Gonzaw you're right that I have your role, but I didn't use any abilities last night because I didn't want to waste anything when I wasn't sure about people. I didn't get any new abilities, maybe because I didn't use anything last night T_T. On June 27 2013 04:45 Crossfire99 wrote: Yeah I already said I used none of those abilities/items last night, which I think is the reason I didn't gain any items to use today. On June 27 2013 05:02 Crossfire99 wrote: 1) stay and fight. I lost, but after resting I met Lina. I choose to take the tazer and not the bat that she offered me. I have gotten no new pms after sending that last choice in. On June 27 2013 05:09 Crossfire99 wrote: Are these statements contradictory? Could crossfire not use "items/abilities" and still choose to "stay and fight"? As a third party, I can't actually piece this stuff together, because you keep saying he had to do x, or would have done y, and he keeps saying he didn't do those things.Oh, I'm confused. I got no pm's telling me of no abilities whatsoever. I only got story pms with choices. I made 2 choices and received no new abilities according to my knowledge. I did not know what the tazer or bat did. I haven't even gotten a pm telling me what my choice did yet. If crossfire actually had the option to do nothing AND we would have seen the effects of him doing something (an extra shot, someone claiming roleblock unless acro, etc.), THEN crossfire is very likely town, imo. If his claim of doing nothing is true, and he had the option to do something, I find that extremely townie. (Caveat: I checked his posting. He was here for the first 10 minutes of N1, but did not post again until D2. It's POSSIBLE that as mafia he was just gone and didn't send an action in, but I find non-action much more likely to be town unsure of game than mafia forgetting to send something in) However, if you can verify that he's surely lying about not acting - we saw an effect on the game from his action/he can't reach where he's at without acting, then he's mafia. Did he have to use an ability to get the taser? I cannot tell from the discussion you've had whether he's lying or not. Can one of the two of you be very, very clear as to how this role works? The filter is blah, there's not much hunting, and his defense of skater on D1 still strikes me as not actually saying anything, something I usually interpret as mafia defending a guy they know to be townie without having a good reason beyond outside knowledge. BUT, if he actually did not take an action N1, especially if the actions he could take were clearly labeled (Option A: Be a vig; Option B: Bus two dudes), then that is enough to make me find him townie. UNLESS: One of the clearly posted options was clearly townie. He said he didn't act because he was unsure of things. If there was a CLEAR options that was CLEARLY TOWN, a dt check, watcher/tracker, etc. then town would use those things on SOMEONE. Not using a clearly town power points towards mafia instead. So
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
That is all. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On June 28 2013 01:53 gonzaw wrote: Guys, how about you.....like....read filters and analyze previous days? I know I know, it's crazy right? Who would do such a thing? But bear with me, it will all make sense in the end, I'm no crazy mofo. So yeah, this "oh what if some random dude is scum because I just said so?" thing is getting tired, at the very least quote something they did previously or scum reads they pushed, etc. Xata, you are doing this now. You are just playing in the "now" in that sense, you take current discussion and just "flow" with it. I did it previously....but at least I made some effort at SOME points to actually read some filters and analyse some people. Why don't you do the same? Also same thing to other players who seem to be doing the same and just seem lazy. Almost everybody is doing this so these whole pages since I left are basically null because very few people are putting actual effort other than saying "DI and kita scum! Of course!" or "geript and kita scum because they could be!" (granted I didn't read most of the posts though). Also posting from work so this will be my only post today before deadline Xfire, no you already met Roshi in that same exact PM (but whatever not important). Xfire, this is important: Tomorrow, as soon as day starts choose option C. Then when you receive that item, tell us you got it. It is a vote stealing ability, so use it on whoever town wants you to use it, and make him vote whoever town wants you to vote. If kita is alive, steal kita's vote right away. If kita's dead, town should reassess so you can steal a scum vote (therefore, if you are town, and even if we are 5v3 or 4v3 or something, we can still win since scum may have 1 less vote). If you are scum then whatever you'll be stealing a scumbuddies vote so who cares? (and town will force you to vote anyways). So with that I'm gone, stop being lazy. You can try by reading some of the stuff I said about Xfire for instance (both in the "conspiracy theory" post and a previous post I made), or the doubts I have about Xata (same again, conspiracy post and previous post. No, sk8 flipping town doesn't make the whole thing invalid just because, it'd be like saying Acro backtracking his case after you make a generic defense makes his case any less valid, which it doesn't, so I suggest you people also read Acro's case). People should be scumhunting right now, if you don't we'll lose I guarantee you that. Scumhunt you fools! Not saying made completely invalid, but it's stupid to say that sk8r flipping town doesn't reduce your conspiracy theory post's value (a lot of it was based on sk8r flipping scum). Same goes for Acro claiming my "stream of thought" posts seemed scummy and then noticing they were actually like my town meta. That's pretty much the definition of a case "losing its value". My recent weaker filter-reading can be mostly attributed to posting from my phone sporadically instead of the computer. Also many players I thought were scum have flipped town which has made me doubt my scumhunting skills. All I can say for (almost) certain is that you, BC and DI are town(ish). After that there's a pile of nullish / slightly scummy players with each having some redeeming qualities (even Kitaman27's Survivor claim still seems somewhat believable given his breadcrumbing and immersion to the role, but killing DI speaks heavily against that). There's some sentiment to get me lynched so I doubt they would shoot me over someone like BC with DT + pretty much confirmed status. That's why I think it's better to start the heavy analysis after getting these N2 flips and actions. Feels too much like speculation otherwise. I can't get to my computer much tomorrow though but it should be easier&faster to analyze with yet more info. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On June 28 2013 03:02 Dandel Ion wrote: What? It's definetly possible that he's technically a survivor, but he chose to play against town and for scum. So we need to treat him as scum. Ugh... So if he's actually Survivor, it's basically 5 vs 4. Not a good spot....... | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
gotta do what you gotta do | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On June 28 2013 03:02 Dandel Ion wrote: What? It's definetly possible that he's technically a survivor, but he chose to play against town and for scum. So we need to treat him as scum. This. Oh for the record, I had given the conspiracy theory that DI and Kita are scum together some thought. It certainly makes sense that they'd do it simply because DI was effectively a vet and it gives towncred to whomever wants it, but at this point, if DI is somehow scum and got my role then we'd probably have lost anyway because even had we lynched him he would have come back to life. Hell actually that makes no sense anyway, why the hell would scum sacrifice an extra life like that for no apparent reason at all? There is no way kita and DI are scum together. We lynch kita and get it over with. | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
Kitaman Scum/thirdparty gonzaw Town? geript Likely Mafia kurumi Town? austin Town? scum if he didnt give item to gonza or bc xatalos 50/50 town scum crossfire Likely Mafia dandel ion 99% town Here is basically how this game plays out. Each of these conclusions I came to based off how people are playing in thread. My check is currently on xat because I want to clear his 50/50 mark. To anyone saying kurumi or austin is scum. We will know instantly this cycle based on where their powers are used. Until said role uses (and viewing the last few days as what to go on) They are both likely town. Of the two Austin is more likely to be scum however he is more or less forced to give items to the confirmed town now which means hes more or less controlled via his power. Geript and Xfire are both likely scum. Geript is a higher priority to remove than xfire. If we have enough guns / kp tonight, we have to off kita. Lynch geript tommorrow/dayshot | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
That left me with kurumi, austin, geript, kita, and Xata. I looked at what Kurumi has done and all he's done is make the towniest people in this game inventors, so he's cleared in my book. The same is true of austin plus he's been thinking about this game. I particularly like all of his posts on me even though he changes his mind on me a few times. He always says his reasoning and it makes sense, so I believe him. This left kita, geript, and Xata. I believe kita's survivor claim for now, so I'll leave him to the end in case he's actually mafia. This left geript and Xata. I looked at geript's filter and he's done nothing but tunnel kurumi based on meta. He also attacked Dandel who is totally town. Other than that he's done nothing. It's also very convenient that he choose to use his ability on kita without any input from us even though it probably would have been more helpful on someone who didn't claim survivor. If kita, is really survivor, then that's why geript was so gung ho about using it because it's a "protown" thing to do. If their scum together, then they had the whole busdrive planned in advance. Lastly, this left Xata. by process of elimination he's scum. Acro made a case on him and he's dead now. Hmm wait a minute. I think kita might actually be scum because i don't think 3 scum and 1 survivor would be balanced. Yeah I think kita, geript, and Xata are all mafia now. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Xfire has all phase to choose an option (if he no chooses same thing is repeated next cycle) As soon as he pms answer to host, host pms him back with more story and either doesnt do anything else, or gives xfire an item xfire started with 3 items and can gain more by this method once xfire gets an item, he could theoretically use it immediately. However some can only be used at night, and others can only be used at day he got the 1st pm as soon as n1 started yes some stuff he said i dont really understand but im done with trying to understand how other people use their role. They seem to be shitting things up for the lulz or something yeah bc good vheck but like maybe you shouldnt have claimed also i diubt people would give eeach other GF abilities (who would?) so itll most likely be correct dunno ehy geriot is more likely mafia than say xfire but whatever i can entertain thwt notion IF SOMEONE MAKES A FUCKING CASE Please....make cases.....try got no pm from host so il assume my invention iw fine. Hope it doesnt get nerfed  Yeah austin thise shits are neat, but not terribly interesting. The player roster thing is nice ciuld have used it. For another time i guess. Hope i dont disappoint. At worse it wont be 100% useless so if you dont like it shame upon hou | ||
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