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On June 25 2013 04:24 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 04:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gonzaw is on the right track, I wonder how many scum have jumped on the 'wave is a good lynch' wagon thus far?
Ill tell you a secret though, I don't think I've ever been this inactive in any game I've played. The time with BC/sk8r is how I play as both scum and town, but of course you're welcome to make what you will of my meta.
Ill tell you another secret. I'm not a good lynch. How about instead of saying that you explain why the shit MZ said is false? Also, I want to be sure where I want my anger directed towards, you or sk8: What is the 3rd letter of the char you made the role of? Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 04:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Gonzaw I remember now why I like you so much I am here to please
A bunch of the stuff MZ said is false, yeah. Some of it's probably true too. I don't really feel like defending myself though.
As for your role, I'll leave it up to the rest of town. If they think it's a good idea I'll reveal the 3rd letter of the character I wrote for so you can confirm one way or another.
+ Show Spoiler +PS. I'm sorry if it's mine and you don't like it. I don't know shit about Dr Who, wanted to keep it in line with what I read on the wiki, and it was a role that I'd probably have fun with if I got it, scum or town. >.<
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On June 25 2013 04:42 austinmcc wrote:THIS POST GOT WAY TOO BIG AND IT MIGHT BE CONFUSING TOWARDS THE END acro, this is some butt right here. Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 12:24 Acrofales wrote:
I also had a quick look at Xfire's filter. There's not much content there, but the bit there is is actually pretty good.
Firstly, he defends sk8er when the ball was getting rolling. He basically singlehandedly stopped the lynch on sk8er. That seems to mean they are either scum together, or Xfire isn't scum: there seems to be no reason for a scum Xfire to prevent a lynch on town sk8er.
Now, given my updated read on sk8er I am getting back to thinking he's town, and presumably will prove it through whatever mechanism he's claiming. So Xfire seems in the clear too.
Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 12:25 Acrofales wrote:
austin completely missing stuff like that is not making me any more comfortable about him. For one, Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 10:41 austinmcc wrote:On June 24 2013 10:28 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, take your time (well...at least take LESS time than you did last cycle >_> )
So, thoughts on Xfire? That one I can actually do tonight, at least out of context. Rest needs to wait until tomorrow. ... Without any context, just checking his filter, doesn't pass the smell test. ... Maybe that was unclear, but no context meant I was just re-filtering and not going through to really dig into when votes came in, when he posted, where votes moved.
Regardless of that, here's the main reason this post is butt. Crossfire's posts about skater don't stop the lynch. Look at his posts - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 04:38 Crossfire99 wrote:
Sorry that I've been away so long. (I did say pregame that I wouldn't have much time, but I didn't think it would be this bad T_T) I just finished catching up on what has happened. I think sk8 is town. Looking at the way he's acted before and after the shot, what he said he was trying to accomplish, how he is acting now, etc, I don't see that coming from a scum player. In solidarity with him, I will ##Lovetap: xxSK8rGUy277xx
I will be around for questions, but right now, I will be rereading the thread and looking at filters to see who I want to lynch. As I noted in my other post, this is air. "Look at how he acted and is acting now, I don't see that coming from scum" is NOT much of a defense. Not a single person who wanted to lynch skater at this point reads that and changes his vote. On June 24 2013 04:44 Crossfire99 wrote:
Sigh...I didn't want to have to do this, but looking at the voting thread and thread sentiment I have to speak up. I created sk8r's role and know how he survived his shot. That is all. Now lynch someone besides him because I don't think he is mafia. On June 24 2013 04:53 Crossfire99 wrote:
Stop asking how sk8r's role works. I created it and know how it works and know how he survived. The only reason anyone else from this point would need to know how his role works is if they're scum. If you're town, you don't need to know how he survived, all you should care about is that he is alive. Leave it alone. On June 24 2013 04:59 Crossfire99 wrote:Note: I made my last post before I saw this post by Zeph. Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 04:53 Zephirdd wrote:
There's no way to get someone to 9 votes now. And Sk8r keeps being useless. Just because we are "tunneling" you doesnt mean you cant look at other players and hunt them. You don't have a limited amount of energy and defending takes little time, UNLESS you are thinking hard every word you are putting out, discussing your posts with teammates etc. Come on, hunt hunt hunt.
Xfire, just because you know his role doesnt mean he is town. That's how I won last game, Kurumi made my role and trusted me for that. Also, answer this: does his role RB the attacker, or does it just protect him? Does he have to activate his role or is it automatic? This is important because BC claimed to be roleblocked. Ok. I will keep that in mind Zeph, but knowing what his role is and how he has acted and what he has done makes me think he is town. I will look at him again if I need to later, but not now. As for his actual role I will not say if it needs to be activated or not. I will say that unless changes were made to the role (which is possible and says so in the OP), I don't know how BC was roleblocked. Crossfire's biggest contribution was "I made skater's role, I know how he survived." ALL that crossfire addresses is that skater has some way of surviving a shot. But we know from his response to zeph that he doesn't actually KNOW skater is town because of the role/usage, just THINKS so, again based on air. There is nothing in there that should convince anyone who wanted to lynch skater for anything other than "BC's shot didn't go off" not to lynch skater. It's not a defense. Nobody, from what I recall, wanted to lynch skater because he survived the shot, which is really all crossfire addresses with substance. And we still don't know what happened - RB? BC lying? skater lying? Nobody lying and something else at work? etc. etc. While it's clear that crossfire thinks skater is town from those posts, it's (1) not clear/substantiated if you remove the role; and (2) he's not even sure about the role --> town, based on his response to zephir. Second, I don't read the pages that follow those posts as people moving votes because crossfire has convinced them that skater is town. Skater has 7 votes at 4:33 TL time. Crossfire makes his posts. First to unvote is Zephir, who voted based on acro's case and skater not trying to scum hunt thinking he'd die - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 03:32 Zephirdd wrote:Holy shit. Did you really ask that? If you're about to die, we will get information out of you with a confirmed alignment. That means that, if you die, we know that all interactions concerning you - specially scum hunting - have a confirmed mindset behind it. In fact, NOT scumhunting at any point is anti-town. Why did anyone roleblock BC ffs. I'm switching to sk8rboy because I like acros' case and because of the above post. . He then says he voted for skater because BC town, BC thinks skater mafia, Zephir sheeping. + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 05:06 Zephirdd wrote:ok so BC didn't actually claim to be RB'd, just that his shot was refunded. Didn't see that. Ah goddamnit. + Show Spoiler [Macro meme] +I still hold my belief that BC is town and that was my main reasoning to call Sk8r mafia. I don't know who to vote for at this point. I'd love to see others who disappeared(acrofales where are you) Dandel, what was the reasoning to lynch s0lstice again? He made a post that I liked concerning austin, altho it could be just pressuring an afk player, or austin could be just fine with whatever is going on. . Note that the given reasons for Zephir's vote are NOT that skater survived a shot, and all crossfire came in and said was that he knew how skater survived the shot. So crossfire's posts should not have altered Zephir's vote at this point. BC and acro still voting skater. He still didn't scumhunt when zeph wanted to see scumhunting. Crossfire's posts don't address the things Zephir thought were scummy. Dandel switches next - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 05:15 Dandel Ion wrote:
So how y'all feeling about switching to snb?
Instead of no-lynching, we might as well save us the vig shot. [As an aside, SnB still a solid vig shot] Dandel unvotes skater not because of crossfire, but to avoid a no lynch. kita pulls his vote off among these posts - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 04:46 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 04:46 geript wrote:On June 24 2013 04:44 Crossfire99 wrote:
Sigh...I didn't want to have to do this, but looking at the voting thread and thread sentiment I have to speak up. I created sk8r's role and know how he survived his shot. That is all. Now lynch someone besides him because I don't think he is mafia. ... srsly? wtf dude So are you saying his role was responsible for the BC roleblock? On June 24 2013 05:19 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd much rather do s0Lsticec than S&B. For me, s&b is a complete lurker null, compared to s0L where I'm leaning mafia.
WoS, if you'll stop at nothing to see him flipped, why are you so quick to conclude that he's not getting lynched? . He wants to know whether Crossfire is saying skater's own role is responsible for BC's shot being refunded. kita's earlier vote post has skater as scum BECAUSE of the roleblock, so this would actually be crossfire's posts directly addressing kita's reason for voting. But remember, crossfire doesn't know how BC was roleblocked - Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 04:59 Crossfire99 wrote:
As for his actual role I will not say if it needs to be activated or not. I will say that unless changes were made to the role (which is possible and says so in the OP), I don't know how BC was roleblocked. ****#1 TAKEAWAY FROM THIS SO FAR - HOLY BALLS THE LANGUAGE IS CONFUSING. BC WAS NOT BLOCKED BUT HAD A SHOT REFUNDED. CROSSFIRE DOES NOT KNOW HOW BC WAS ROLEBLOCKED, BUT DOES KNOW HOW SKATER SURVIVED. BUT THE REST OF US CAN'T TELL WORTH ANYTHING WHETHER THE WAY IN WHICH CROSSFIRE THINKS SKATER SURVIVED IS ONE THAT WOULD REFUND BC'S BULLET OR NOT. EVERYONE'S INTERPRETATION OF THE VAGARIES OF THESE POSTS MATTERS A BUNCH, BECAUSE WE CAN'T SEE CLEAR REASONS FOR VOTES TO CHANGE IN SOME CASES**** geript unvotes because - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 05:30 geript wrote:
/sheep gonzaw AGAIN. SUPER UNHELPFUL. GONZAW WASN'T CONVINCED ON SKATER IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND THIS ISN'T REALLY REASONING FOR CHANGING A VOTE, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE DUE TO CROSSFIRE. Then kurumi is the last to unvote skater, but at no point has seemed to think that skater is town or telling the truth.
All that nonsense is to say, acro, that your post is butt. I completely disagree with you saying crossfire "basically singehandedly stopped the lynch on skater." The only person who appears to have been directly swayed by crossfire is kita, and kita didn't even get a fully clear answer to his question of whether skater's role was responsible for BC's refunded bullet, or whether skater's role should have allowed him to survive in a different manner. A bunch of the votes were just...wagon votes because skater never quite got to majority. Two of the unvotes appear to be pure sheeping of something else. Kurumi still thinks skater is scum as far as I can tell. You're assigning a lot of credit to crossfire here, him singlehandedly stopping a lynch, and it doesn't read that way AT ALL. Do you disagree? Do you actually think those votes swapped due to Crossfire's comments about making a role?
Ugh. This is maybe the first post where my first reaction was "too long, didn't read". At least you should work on making your text easier to understand. Trying to understand it now..
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BC, since your shot has been refunded, why did you never try shooting anybody else?
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On June 25 2013 04:48 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 04:42 austinmcc wrote:THIS POST GOT WAY TOO BIG AND IT MIGHT BE CONFUSING TOWARDS THE END acro, this is some butt right here. On June 24 2013 12:24 Acrofales wrote:
I also had a quick look at Xfire's filter. There's not much content there, but the bit there is is actually pretty good.
Firstly, he defends sk8er when the ball was getting rolling. He basically singlehandedly stopped the lynch on sk8er. That seems to mean they are either scum together, or Xfire isn't scum: there seems to be no reason for a scum Xfire to prevent a lynch on town sk8er.
Now, given my updated read on sk8er I am getting back to thinking he's town, and presumably will prove it through whatever mechanism he's claiming. So Xfire seems in the clear too.
On June 24 2013 12:25 Acrofales wrote:
austin completely missing stuff like that is not making me any more comfortable about him. For one, On June 24 2013 10:41 austinmcc wrote:On June 24 2013 10:28 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, take your time (well...at least take LESS time than you did last cycle >_> )
So, thoughts on Xfire? That one I can actually do tonight, at least out of context. Rest needs to wait until tomorrow. ... Without any context, just checking his filter, doesn't pass the smell test. ... Maybe that was unclear, but no context meant I was just re-filtering and not going through to really dig into when votes came in, when he posted, where votes moved.
Regardless of that, here's the main reason this post is butt. Crossfire's posts about skater don't stop the lynch. Look at his posts - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 04:38 Crossfire99 wrote:
Sorry that I've been away so long. (I did say pregame that I wouldn't have much time, but I didn't think it would be this bad T_T) I just finished catching up on what has happened. I think sk8 is town. Looking at the way he's acted before and after the shot, what he said he was trying to accomplish, how he is acting now, etc, I don't see that coming from a scum player. In solidarity with him, I will ##Lovetap: xxSK8rGUy277xx
I will be around for questions, but right now, I will be rereading the thread and looking at filters to see who I want to lynch. As I noted in my other post, this is air. "Look at how he acted and is acting now, I don't see that coming from scum" is NOT much of a defense. Not a single person who wanted to lynch skater at this point reads that and changes his vote. On June 24 2013 04:44 Crossfire99 wrote:
Sigh...I didn't want to have to do this, but looking at the voting thread and thread sentiment I have to speak up. I created sk8r's role and know how he survived his shot. That is all. Now lynch someone besides him because I don't think he is mafia. On June 24 2013 04:53 Crossfire99 wrote:
Stop asking how sk8r's role works. I created it and know how it works and know how he survived. The only reason anyone else from this point would need to know how his role works is if they're scum. If you're town, you don't need to know how he survived, all you should care about is that he is alive. Leave it alone. On June 24 2013 04:59 Crossfire99 wrote:Note: I made my last post before I saw this post by Zeph. Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 04:53 Zephirdd wrote:
There's no way to get someone to 9 votes now. And Sk8r keeps being useless. Just because we are "tunneling" you doesnt mean you cant look at other players and hunt them. You don't have a limited amount of energy and defending takes little time, UNLESS you are thinking hard every word you are putting out, discussing your posts with teammates etc. Come on, hunt hunt hunt.
Xfire, just because you know his role doesnt mean he is town. That's how I won last game, Kurumi made my role and trusted me for that. Also, answer this: does his role RB the attacker, or does it just protect him? Does he have to activate his role or is it automatic? This is important because BC claimed to be roleblocked. Ok. I will keep that in mind Zeph, but knowing what his role is and how he has acted and what he has done makes me think he is town. I will look at him again if I need to later, but not now. As for his actual role I will not say if it needs to be activated or not. I will say that unless changes were made to the role (which is possible and says so in the OP), I don't know how BC was roleblocked. Crossfire's biggest contribution was "I made skater's role, I know how he survived." ALL that crossfire addresses is that skater has some way of surviving a shot. But we know from his response to zeph that he doesn't actually KNOW skater is town because of the role/usage, just THINKS so, again based on air. There is nothing in there that should convince anyone who wanted to lynch skater for anything other than "BC's shot didn't go off" not to lynch skater. It's not a defense. Nobody, from what I recall, wanted to lynch skater because he survived the shot, which is really all crossfire addresses with substance. And we still don't know what happened - RB? BC lying? skater lying? Nobody lying and something else at work? etc. etc. While it's clear that crossfire thinks skater is town from those posts, it's (1) not clear/substantiated if you remove the role; and (2) he's not even sure about the role --> town, based on his response to zephir. Second, I don't read the pages that follow those posts as people moving votes because crossfire has convinced them that skater is town. Skater has 7 votes at 4:33 TL time. Crossfire makes his posts. First to unvote is Zephir, who voted based on acro's case and skater not trying to scum hunt thinking he'd die - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 03:32 Zephirdd wrote:Holy shit. Did you really ask that? If you're about to die, we will get information out of you with a confirmed alignment. That means that, if you die, we know that all interactions concerning you - specially scum hunting - have a confirmed mindset behind it. In fact, NOT scumhunting at any point is anti-town. Why did anyone roleblock BC ffs. I'm switching to sk8rboy because I like acros' case and because of the above post. . He then says he voted for skater because BC town, BC thinks skater mafia, Zephir sheeping. + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 05:06 Zephirdd wrote:ok so BC didn't actually claim to be RB'd, just that his shot was refunded. Didn't see that. Ah goddamnit. + Show Spoiler [Macro meme] +I still hold my belief that BC is town and that was my main reasoning to call Sk8r mafia. I don't know who to vote for at this point. I'd love to see others who disappeared(acrofales where are you) Dandel, what was the reasoning to lynch s0lstice again? He made a post that I liked concerning austin, altho it could be just pressuring an afk player, or austin could be just fine with whatever is going on. . Note that the given reasons for Zephir's vote are NOT that skater survived a shot, and all crossfire came in and said was that he knew how skater survived the shot. So crossfire's posts should not have altered Zephir's vote at this point. BC and acro still voting skater. He still didn't scumhunt when zeph wanted to see scumhunting. Crossfire's posts don't address the things Zephir thought were scummy. Dandel switches next - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 05:15 Dandel Ion wrote:
So how y'all feeling about switching to snb?
Instead of no-lynching, we might as well save us the vig shot. [As an aside, SnB still a solid vig shot] Dandel unvotes skater not because of crossfire, but to avoid a no lynch. kita pulls his vote off among these posts - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 04:46 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 04:46 geript wrote:On June 24 2013 04:44 Crossfire99 wrote:
Sigh...I didn't want to have to do this, but looking at the voting thread and thread sentiment I have to speak up. I created sk8r's role and know how he survived his shot. That is all. Now lynch someone besides him because I don't think he is mafia. ... srsly? wtf dude So are you saying his role was responsible for the BC roleblock? On June 24 2013 05:19 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd much rather do s0Lsticec than S&B. For me, s&b is a complete lurker null, compared to s0L where I'm leaning mafia.
WoS, if you'll stop at nothing to see him flipped, why are you so quick to conclude that he's not getting lynched? . He wants to know whether Crossfire is saying skater's own role is responsible for BC's shot being refunded. kita's earlier vote post has skater as scum BECAUSE of the roleblock, so this would actually be crossfire's posts directly addressing kita's reason for voting. But remember, crossfire doesn't know how BC was roleblocked - On June 24 2013 04:59 Crossfire99 wrote:
As for his actual role I will not say if it needs to be activated or not. I will say that unless changes were made to the role (which is possible and says so in the OP), I don't know how BC was roleblocked. ****#1 TAKEAWAY FROM THIS SO FAR - HOLY BALLS THE LANGUAGE IS CONFUSING. BC WAS NOT BLOCKED BUT HAD A SHOT REFUNDED. CROSSFIRE DOES NOT KNOW HOW BC WAS ROLEBLOCKED, BUT DOES KNOW HOW SKATER SURVIVED. BUT THE REST OF US CAN'T TELL WORTH ANYTHING WHETHER THE WAY IN WHICH CROSSFIRE THINKS SKATER SURVIVED IS ONE THAT WOULD REFUND BC'S BULLET OR NOT. EVERYONE'S INTERPRETATION OF THE VAGARIES OF THESE POSTS MATTERS A BUNCH, BECAUSE WE CAN'T SEE CLEAR REASONS FOR VOTES TO CHANGE IN SOME CASES**** geript unvotes because - + Show Spoiler +On June 24 2013 05:30 geript wrote:
/sheep gonzaw AGAIN. SUPER UNHELPFUL. GONZAW WASN'T CONVINCED ON SKATER IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND THIS ISN'T REALLY REASONING FOR CHANGING A VOTE, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE DUE TO CROSSFIRE. Then kurumi is the last to unvote skater, but at no point has seemed to think that skater is town or telling the truth.
All that nonsense is to say, acro, that your post is butt. I completely disagree with you saying crossfire "basically singehandedly stopped the lynch on skater." The only person who appears to have been directly swayed by crossfire is kita, and kita didn't even get a fully clear answer to his question of whether skater's role was responsible for BC's refunded bullet, or whether skater's role should have allowed him to survive in a different manner. A bunch of the votes were just...wagon votes because skater never quite got to majority. Two of the unvotes appear to be pure sheeping of something else. Kurumi still thinks skater is scum as far as I can tell. You're assigning a lot of credit to crossfire here, him singlehandedly stopping a lynch, and it doesn't read that way AT ALL. Do you disagree? Do you actually think those votes swapped due to Crossfire's comments about making a role? Ugh. This is maybe the first post where my first reaction was "too long, didn't read". At least you should work on making your text easier to understand. Trying to understand it now.. Acro disagreed with how I read crossfire.
I disagree with his reading, and I think he's misrepresenting how Crossfire's rolemaker claim impacted the lynch, and doing so to make me look shady.
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On June 25 2013 04:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 04:32 Xatalos wrote:On June 25 2013 04:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 25 2013 04:26 Xatalos wrote:On June 25 2013 04:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Do I still want sk8r to eat a bullet/lynch? Yes. I know a few others deserving of the same treatment. Okay.. Great. Let's put it this way: is sk8r still your #1 priority right now? What if it was close between WOS/sk8r? And what if it was close between WOS and someone else than sk8r? atm, kita is pretty high on my list. I keep harping on sk8r because he keeps posting his bullshit. -_- Hes likely tied for my #1 read atm Hmm. Kitaman.. Didn't really look at him yet. Next on to-do. But what about WOS? Isn't he up there at all? Or even on the scummy category? I have him more or less null at the moment. He has done stuff that looks fucking bad, but hes also done stuff that looks good. If not for Meapaks analysis post right now how many people would put him as a #1 scum read? hes done very little since the lynch and thus you would think if he was this heavily suspected would have been pushed as an option over austin.
What about him looks good? There are like 2-3 analytical posts mid-D1 where he looked like he was trying to figure out stuff. Nothing else comes to mind, and there's a TON of scummy stuff he's done so far. In fact I'm baffled how he's getting away from general pressure so easily time and time again with this much speaking for his scumminess. Actually I think he'd be lynched by now if he wasn't scum, since the scum team covering for him would really explain him surviving so well.
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On June 25 2013 04:42 austinmcc wrote:THIS POST GOT WAY TOO BIG AND IT MIGHT BE CONFUSING TOWARDS THE END acro, this is some butt right here. Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 12:24 Acrofales wrote:
I also had a quick look at Xfire's filter. There's not much content there, but the bit there is is actually pretty good.
Firstly, he defends sk8er when the ball was getting rolling. He basically singlehandedly stopped the lynch on sk8er. That seems to mean they are either scum together, or Xfire isn't scum: there seems to be no reason for a scum Xfire to prevent a lynch on town sk8er.
Now, given my updated read on sk8er I am getting back to thinking he's town, and presumably will prove it through whatever mechanism he's claiming. So Xfire seems in the clear too.
Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 12:25 Acrofales wrote:
austin completely missing stuff like that is not making me any more comfortable about him. For one, Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 10:41 austinmcc wrote:On June 24 2013 10:28 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, take your time (well...at least take LESS time than you did last cycle >_> )
So, thoughts on Xfire? That one I can actually do tonight, at least out of context. Rest needs to wait until tomorrow. ... Without any context, just checking his filter, doesn't pass the smell test. ... Maybe that was unclear, but no context meant I was just re-filtering and not going through to really dig into when votes came in, when he posted, where votes moved.
Look guys! I'll throw out a test balloon, and when it hilariously backfires and someone calls me scum, I will backpedal as fast as I can.
Additionally, now that you have exhaustively gone through the context, you're still wrong. Whether they were "sheep votes" or not, it is completely clear that Xfire killed the momentum in that lynch.
Half of my case was based on the fact that sk8er reacted in a non-townlike manner to expecting to die. sk8er himself then claimed (a little bit) how his role worked, which isn't enough because who knows whether he's telling the truth. Xfire confirmed that it was either the truth or they're both lying scum (highly unlikely). So the very fact that his role prevented him from dying debunked most of my case. And when I read the thread upon returning from the park (not sleeping, you derps), I wondered why sk8er hadn't been lynched, and that was the exact moment in the thread where I thought "yeah, I wouldn't lynch sk8er anymore at this point".
So... you wrote ALL of that to call me BAD? Or are you calling Xfire scum? Or what exactly are you doing?
I know I'd be happy with your head on a stake tomorrow.
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kitaman27
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On June 25 2013 04:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
BC, since your shot has been refunded, why did you never try shooting anybody else?
lol that's actually a really good question.
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On June 25 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 04:34 Acrofales wrote:
Yay. Gonzaw is town. Other than that: I haven't read the giant case, so can't say anything about MZ or WoS.
@Xatalos: what was the point of those questions? An exploration in self-analysis? If it is somehow going to help you scumhunt I'll answer, but it seems more postgame oriented than of any use right now.
I guess it boils down to this: why were you so, not necessarily wishy-washy, but unnoticeable for the whole of D1? I'll be returning to this later, most likely, but I want to hear your reasoning/explanation now. For future reference. If you happen to be scum, it's nice to have something to "hold" you onto. If you're town, your thought patterns should stay consistent and thus there's nothing to worry about. (Btw you should read that case, it's much better explained than my confusing ramblings. And I'd like your first impression of it as well, please.)
I wouldn't say I was. Self-analysis is pretty useless, though, as everybody is the most awesomest mafia player in their own mind.
I think all of this stems from the fact that I wasn't around for the 2 or 3 hours before the deadline, which I can explain by being in the park. I know sunlight is scary to some TL folks, but you should try it sometime.
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kitaman27
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On June 25 2013 04:59 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 04:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
BC, since your shot has been refunded, why did you never try shooting anybody else? lol that's actually a really good question.
Furthermore, why not shoot sk8r again?
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On June 25 2013 04:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
BC, since your shot has been refunded, why did you never try shooting anybody else?
Lol... Indeed. Why? There's a good chance that you're killed soon. Why not shoot somebody (sk8r for example if you're so sure of him)..?
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On June 25 2013 05:02 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 04:59 kitaman27 wrote:On June 25 2013 04:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
BC, since your shot has been refunded, why did you never try shooting anybody else? lol that's actually a really good question. Furthermore, why not shoot sk8r again?
cant use til day 2. Which is why i thought roleblock not just refund
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On June 25 2013 05:01 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:On June 25 2013 04:34 Acrofales wrote:
Yay. Gonzaw is town. Other than that: I haven't read the giant case, so can't say anything about MZ or WoS.
@Xatalos: what was the point of those questions? An exploration in self-analysis? If it is somehow going to help you scumhunt I'll answer, but it seems more postgame oriented than of any use right now.
I guess it boils down to this: why were you so, not necessarily wishy-washy, but unnoticeable for the whole of D1? I'll be returning to this later, most likely, but I want to hear your reasoning/explanation now. For future reference. If you happen to be scum, it's nice to have something to "hold" you onto. If you're town, your thought patterns should stay consistent and thus there's nothing to worry about. (Btw you should read that case, it's much better explained than my confusing ramblings. And I'd like your first impression of it as well, please.) I wouldn't say I was. Self-analysis is pretty useless, though, as everybody is the most awesomest mafia player in their own mind. I think all of this stems from the fact that I wasn't around for the 2 or 3 hours before the deadline, which I can explain by being in the park. I know sunlight is scary to some TL folks, but you should try it sometime.
That's... Well, something less than I expected. Considering that I'm not the only one who said that so far, shouldn't you rather look in the mirror than deny/dodge? And go read that case asap as well. If you're town I want your opinion before deadline hits, just in case.
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On June 25 2013 05:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:02 kitaman27 wrote:On June 25 2013 04:59 kitaman27 wrote:On June 25 2013 04:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
BC, since your shot has been refunded, why did you never try shooting anybody else? lol that's actually a really good question. Furthermore, why not shoot sk8r again? cant use til day 2. Which is why i thought roleblock not just refund
Well, that explains it.
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On June 25 2013 04:57 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 04:42 austinmcc wrote:THIS POST GOT WAY TOO BIG AND IT MIGHT BE CONFUSING TOWARDS THE END acro, this is some butt right here. On June 24 2013 12:24 Acrofales wrote:
I also had a quick look at Xfire's filter. There's not much content there, but the bit there is is actually pretty good.
Firstly, he defends sk8er when the ball was getting rolling. He basically singlehandedly stopped the lynch on sk8er. That seems to mean they are either scum together, or Xfire isn't scum: there seems to be no reason for a scum Xfire to prevent a lynch on town sk8er.
Now, given my updated read on sk8er I am getting back to thinking he's town, and presumably will prove it through whatever mechanism he's claiming. So Xfire seems in the clear too.
On June 24 2013 12:25 Acrofales wrote:
austin completely missing stuff like that is not making me any more comfortable about him. For one, On June 24 2013 10:41 austinmcc wrote:On June 24 2013 10:28 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, take your time (well...at least take LESS time than you did last cycle >_> )
So, thoughts on Xfire? That one I can actually do tonight, at least out of context. Rest needs to wait until tomorrow. ... Without any context, just checking his filter, doesn't pass the smell test. ... Maybe that was unclear, but no context meant I was just re-filtering and not going through to really dig into when votes came in, when he posted, where votes moved. Look guys! I'll throw out a test balloon, and when it hilariously backfires and someone calls me scum, I will backpedal as fast as I can. Additionally, now that you have exhaustively gone through the context, you're still wrong. Whether they were "sheep votes" or not, it is completely clear that Xfire killed the momentum in that lynch. Half of my case was based on the fact that sk8er reacted in a non-townlike manner to expecting to die. sk8er himself then claimed (a little bit) how his role worked, which isn't enough because who knows whether he's telling the truth. Xfire confirmed that it was either the truth or they're both lying scum (highly unlikely). So the very fact that his role prevented him from dying debunked most of my case. And when I read the thread upon returning from the park (not sleeping, you derps), I wondered why sk8er hadn't been lynched, and that was the exact moment in the thread where I thought "yeah, I wouldn't lynch sk8er anymore at this point". So... you wrote ALL of that to call me BAD? Or are you calling Xfire scum? Or what exactly are you doing? I know I'd be happy with your head on a stake tomorrow.
This looks like a solid post IMO. I agree that Crossfire99 killed the momentum, which in turn caused sheeps to retreat as well. And that change of opinion about sk8r feels reasonable. austinmcc, the ball is in your court..
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On June 25 2013 05:07 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 05:01 Acrofales wrote:On June 25 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote:On June 25 2013 04:34 Acrofales wrote:
Yay. Gonzaw is town. Other than that: I haven't read the giant case, so can't say anything about MZ or WoS.
@Xatalos: what was the point of those questions? An exploration in self-analysis? If it is somehow going to help you scumhunt I'll answer, but it seems more postgame oriented than of any use right now.
I guess it boils down to this: why were you so, not necessarily wishy-washy, but unnoticeable for the whole of D1? I'll be returning to this later, most likely, but I want to hear your reasoning/explanation now. For future reference. If you happen to be scum, it's nice to have something to "hold" you onto. If you're town, your thought patterns should stay consistent and thus there's nothing to worry about. (Btw you should read that case, it's much better explained than my confusing ramblings. And I'd like your first impression of it as well, please.) I wouldn't say I was. Self-analysis is pretty useless, though, as everybody is the most awesomest mafia player in their own mind. I think all of this stems from the fact that I wasn't around for the 2 or 3 hours before the deadline, which I can explain by being in the park. I know sunlight is scary to some TL folks, but you should try it sometime. That's... Well, something less than I expected. Considering that I'm not the only one who said that so far, shouldn't you rather look in the mirror than deny/dodge? And go read that case asap as well. If you're town I want your opinion before deadline hits, just in case.
Instead of reading the case, I read all of WoS filter, first. Because I like to have an opinion ready BEFORE reading the case. What I come out of that with myself is that WoS is somewhat dodgy, but far from a strong scum read. The worst part about WoS is him having absolutely no real reason to jump on s0lstice. In fact, his whole reason was Xatalos' antagonistic post which he misread as coming from s0lstice (as far as I can figure that out).
Other than that, I have no problems with it, and the reason I stepped off the "WoS is scum" warpath during D1 still applies: he was critically trying to figure stuff out during the whole shot stuff. Now let me go and read the case.
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Well, the first thing I have to say about the case is that his analysis of the early game WoS is fine. I had similar thoughts, but it derails when he thinks WoS had a scumread on sk8er. The scumread was on me. His post was addressed at me. Only the first line of the post was in response to sk8er.
Well, either that, or I read that post wrong at the time and in the reread I just did. So then his case is based upon the giant shift in viewpoint that WoS suddenly defends sk8er... while WoS never had a scumread on sk8er. He was somewhat dubious about sk8er's posting, but I never got the impression he thought sk8er was scum, and at the time I also had the feeling that he was at about the same wavelength as I was in my thoughts about sk8er.
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by the way I havent read shit most of today, I think I asked a question to xatalos and I'll go back to that
I shot WoS
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MZ has not really convinced me any further about WoS scummyness. At least not that WoS is scummier than austin, lurkerandbig or MZ himself.
It's a very looong case, but based on a number of false assumptions / misreads. However, they don't really seem intentional and the case isn't forced. So... MZ goes town a bit on the scumometer, but he's still floating around the top of the pond.
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On June 25 2013 05:31 Acrofales wrote:
Well, the first thing I have to say about the case is that his analysis of the early game WoS is fine. I had similar thoughts, but it derails when he thinks WoS had a scumread on sk8er. The scumread was on me. His post was addressed at me. Only the first line of the post was in response to sk8er.
Well, either that, or I read that post wrong at the time and in the reread I just did. So then his case is based upon the giant shift in viewpoint that WoS suddenly defends sk8er... while WoS never had a scumread on sk8er. He was somewhat dubious about sk8er's posting, but I never got the impression he thought sk8er was scum, and at the time I also had the feeling that he was at about the same wavelength as I was in my thoughts about sk8er.
Hmm. Actually, I think that's true. That also explains why I didn't "notice" it until Meapak made his case. Well, that's one point down. Although it's pretty worrying that WOS didn't correct that himself. Maybe he's scum and didn't notice it because, well, it's all a fabrication anyway? That's what first came to my mind at least.
By the way, I find it odd that you were all over lynching me basically for my "verbal diarrhea" recently (your words..), yet you're very reluctant to lynch WOS despite much, much heavier reasons pointing to him being scum. There's a shadow of doubt in my mind that you two are scumbuddies, although WOS's weird attack on you doesn't really support that. Your reluctant attitude to lynching WOS doesn't seem good though.
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