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Okay, FINALLY
So BC; what about kita? You think he's scummy scummy scum?
On June 25 2013 03:31 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 03:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 25 2013 02:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 25 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, xat.
The reason i view sk8s ability use as not townlike is this.
He has actively had posts that are heavily heavily anti town. He actively admitted to trolling, and lying about reads. Denying to give his reads when he could have died as it "was people fishing"
He then near instantly starts claiming my shot was fake and proceeds to toss suspicion on me for it when he would know his power was responsible for him not dying. Given the fact he openly admitted to wanting to get shot, and has been behaving overall as someone attempting to take a vig bullet, I would put him down as a scum read. Just because he has a self defense power and that he came out and admitted it WELL AFTER a situation while using the role as a reason to call bullshit and clutter the thread even more.
Kita and Meapak both need to post more. Still pressuring me. Did someone write an Executioner role that can also day vig? My self defense power does not roleblock you or return your bullet which is why I think you are lying or someone else saved me. Just so everyone knows, I am Sally Sparrow, town aligned, and used my ability during the day. I will be using my ability AGAIN tonight.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain So let me get this straight? You are a town aligned role that can make shots not work on you (refunded to holder) and can use this role, every half cycle? You can call me a liar, I know what PM I got from the hosts. So far only you have claimed a power that could stop my shot (mafia could clearly be hiding behind this fact and not claiming a block). However, you role use to save yourself is an alignment null. Anyone in your position would try to avoid dying town or mafia. your behaviour is what I find horrifically scummy. The fact you knew you used a role to avoid death, immediately claimed bullshit on my shot well before hosts had even started trying to sort out roles, is baffling. You then after hosts has resolved and I stated what happened were still harping on fake shot and bullshit. You actively have lied, trolled and admitted to these things. Again, my role does not return a bullet to you which is what confirmed to me that you lied OR that someone else targeted you. Your scum hunting skill is what I find to be horrifically bad. Basically you think because I'm trolling that I am scum. All your other arguments are poor and just based off your tunnelling.
See? You just had to say that single line to make things clearer instead of making everybody confused as fuck about this whole shit.
That does indeed make things interesting. Kurumi might have something to do with that, if not one of you is lying (although this kind of seems improbable, there's little reason for scum to lie with pointless shit like this)
Also sk8 please thoughts on someone other than BC as well
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On June 25 2013 03:31 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 03:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 25 2013 02:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 25 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, xat.
The reason i view sk8s ability use as not townlike is this.
He has actively had posts that are heavily heavily anti town. He actively admitted to trolling, and lying about reads. Denying to give his reads when he could have died as it "was people fishing"
He then near instantly starts claiming my shot was fake and proceeds to toss suspicion on me for it when he would know his power was responsible for him not dying. Given the fact he openly admitted to wanting to get shot, and has been behaving overall as someone attempting to take a vig bullet, I would put him down as a scum read. Just because he has a self defense power and that he came out and admitted it WELL AFTER a situation while using the role as a reason to call bullshit and clutter the thread even more.
Kita and Meapak both need to post more. Still pressuring me. Did someone write an Executioner role that can also day vig? My self defense power does not roleblock you or return your bullet which is why I think you are lying or someone else saved me. Just so everyone knows, I am Sally Sparrow, town aligned, and used my ability during the day. I will be using my ability AGAIN tonight.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain So let me get this straight? You are a town aligned role that can make shots not work on you (refunded to holder) and can use this role, every half cycle? You can call me a liar, I know what PM I got from the hosts. So far only you have claimed a power that could stop my shot (mafia could clearly be hiding behind this fact and not claiming a block). However, you role use to save yourself is an alignment null. Anyone in your position would try to avoid dying town or mafia. your behaviour is what I find horrifically scummy. The fact you knew you used a role to avoid death, immediately claimed bullshit on my shot well before hosts had even started trying to sort out roles, is baffling. You then after hosts has resolved and I stated what happened were still harping on fake shot and bullshit. You actively have lied, trolled and admitted to these things. Again, my role does not return a bullet to you which is what confirmed to me that you lied OR that someone else targeted you. Your scum hunting skill is what I find to be horrifically bad. Basically you think because I'm trolling that I am scum. All your other arguments are poor and just based off your tunnelling.
you lied
you trolled
you have said pushing anti town players day 1 is bad
you have played in a way to draw town shots
These are 4 of my main reasons for not liking you. This isn't me tunneling you anymore. This is me looking at a player who has done fucking nothing all game. You still don't scumhunt. You spend time defending yourself more than anything else. You know what? If you scumhunt or appear to be doing things that help the town, people wont look at you. You have not changed your behaviour in my eyes at all since all the shit went down between us. As such you are still firmly red.
Difference is? i am also looking at other people. Also given that I think you are scum, I don't believe you on how you say your role works. Nothing xfire said clears you of suspicion.
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On June 25 2013 03:30 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 01:43 Acrofales wrote:
Ah goddamn it. DI has got me doubting again. I went through Xata's older games and the whole waffling stuff and using extremely longwinded run-on sentences seems to appear more in his town games than his scum games (at least, I compared British to Dessert, and I vaguely remember the newbie we were in together).
Let me put it this way: I can see why he wasn't lynched in Dessert, and it's largely because he is not doing anything dumb like posting waffly crap about how Kurumi is 100% town or 100% scum (like he did in this game). linkys? People, you should really post your past games in your profiles. If not meta-reading is a pain in the ass Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 02:42 Xatalos wrote:On June 25 2013 01:46 Acrofales wrote:
Okay. Homicidal urge is under control again. Lets go back to killing MZ, SnB and austin.
Crisis averted. What... That was really fast. Care to explain how I went from clear scum to townish in a matter of 30min or something? Apparently you read through my previous games. Why did you do that AFTER making your case, not before you met resistance in the form of DI and myself? Sadly it looks like justification to abandon the failed bandwagon... Meaning you appear in a more scummy light based on these recent posts. Also, what exactly about my defense "averted the crisis" (excluding you checking up my posting history)? This is just a very strange chain of events and I want to hear your reasoning. Ugh, I hope I don't have to drop you as well from my townreads.. What bothers me about you Xatalos is this "objective 3rd person" narrative you make. You say stuff like "you are doing X, and this makes appear in a more scummy light" instead of stuff like "you are doing X and I think you are more scummy because of it". It could be interpreted as scum "treading" carefully with his posts and suspicions, i.e "waffly waffles" If I could read your previous town games it may make me feel better/worse about you....but if you do it as town it's a "weird" characteristic of your play :/ I have very little else to say that wasn't said by now in terms of players so I'll just wait for the right guys to do the stuff they need to do (e.g let's see if BC finally posts something that's not about sk8)
Speaking of this whole sk8 thing: For fucks sake please post all the shit you need to post and defenses etc in a clear manner and get over with itThis goes to both of you. For instance: sk8: Can you tell us in which exact post you realized you could use your ability? I.e prove to us you weren't actually lying with that "BC is faking his shot", and show us which posts prove to us you stopped saying that (if you could....I dunno...SCUMHUNT as well then it'd be appreciated too) BC: So what about sk8 being able to confirm himself as town? What about Xfire not saying anything about it (therefore basically confirming it)? Do you care about that at all? Because if Xfire isn't complaining then it's either true or both Xfire and sk8 are scum. Even if it's the 2nd one...he won't confirm himself as town never, therefore we'll lose our patience at some point and lynch him. If the 2nd one is true, would a scum sk8 lie like that just to gain a little more time, but make it so he and Xfire go down 100%?
Also, this goes out to BC and austin (and others maybe):You guy should make a 150% effort in trying to establish yourselves as town. Why? Because you wrote your own roles. If we are not sure you guys are town, we are not sure what your abilities are, and NOBODY can prove anything about them. For instance, if I (as scum) have a super day vig shot, and I use it tomorrow to kill super-townies, then when I claim my role I'll most likely get lynched for it because my role maker will claim "gonzaw scum yo". It works the other way as well, if I DONT do anything weird, still, when I claim my role creator will vouch for me and you guys will know I CANT use a super day vig shot to kill super-townies I have no idea if any of you 2 can use super-anti-town-day-vig shots or not, so if you guys are scummy townies, it'll just create paranoid (and maybe get you lynched I guess). So yeah, you have more responsibility than the rest of us in that aspect... ...I say this because both of you aren't doing a great job at that
Speaking of roles:Dear role creator,
Did you roll scum before or after creating my role? I think you may have rolled scum BEFORE because this shit is the most anti-town thing ever how the fuck am I supposed to use it?
You are supposed to design roles so they are usable by either alignment (I don't even care if it's OP or not, it should be USABLE at least)
Currently my role is UNUSABLE as town, so I'm basically a VT now.
So thank you for that...
...unless there's a hidden strategy I'm missing, so if the time comes where I have to make a super-pro-town plan just tell me, because I have no idea you can do anything that slightly resembles something pro-town with this role
Thank you,
Unsatisfied role customerI could even claim my role because idgaf, but well it's night and all so maybe it's a bad idea I just wanted to vent 
Heh. I guess my writing style is... High-flown? Far-fetched? Not sure what the correct translation is. Probably has to do with me writing some fiction books, so it's hard to stay on simple and clear sentences (like "you're clearly scum" compared to "all this casts you in a very scummy light").
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On June 25 2013 03:37 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 05:31 Kurumi wrote:On June 24 2013 05:30 gonzaw wrote:
SKAITER, ACRO, KURUMI. WHAT ARE YOU DOING I am voting the guy I believe is scum the most. Acro is sleeping, left both his votes on the guy he believes is scum the most.Sk8ter is scum. Acro left thread a couple hours earlier after posting: Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 02:47 Acrofales wrote: STUFF BUT ALSO
And, because I am heading out, I am putting my secret vote on him as well. Yes, I have a secret vote. And no, I see no point in keeping that secret. He doesn't say he's sleeping.
o_O
Acro, you better check you lock your windows and doors before going to sleep, just saying...
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So let’s kill WoS tomorrow. I’ve mentioned him several times and finally got around to making a case.
On June 22 2013 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright what in the actual FUCK is going on in here.
Let's see:
Dandel amuses me. The fact that I don't have to be on a scum team with him this game makes it even better since I don't have to freak out at everything he does.
Having never participated in a game like this before I have to ask: are we supposed to be tryharding at all or fucking around all game? There appear to be people firmly entrenched in both camps and I can't honestly say which I want to be a part of yet.
Geript: No love for you. DRIVE THAT TRAIN STRAIGHT INTO MY TUNNEL BABY
I don't know anybody else who posted so I don't have anything else to say.
Actually I do know solstice and BC but I don't care about them.
So, who got my role?
WoS starts out with a very weird post complaining about the “fucking around” going on. The game has only been going on for a few pages and he’s already divided people into camps of “tryharding” and “fucking around” ultimately however, this post does nothing. It’s pure fluff with the intention of looking all townie and concerned.
TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: He mentions player names and yet makes no reads. He exploits the state of the thread to appear townie.
On June 22 2013 10:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
I WISH I could stream, sadly small children and lack of internet do not allow for such frivolities, at least not until late August or something.
I'ma go play a bot game for my win of the day. Dandel you should play with me. Why don't I have you on my flist? Is it 'cause you're SCUM???
On June 22 2013 11:16 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 11:07 Acrofales wrote:Either scum was told what the town is called or DI is (unfortunately) town. And before you guys start, I say unfortunately, because I was looking forward to lynching the crap out of him. A big wat to this post. Acro, y u good host but bad mafia player?
Let’s take these next two posts at the same time, unfounded accusations against two players for no reason. Now WoS will probably say he was just fucking around with the first post, however remember this is something he already ranted about and is thus inconsistent with his earlier “anger” at the state of the thread. A townie would have kept consistent, however scum would see no reason to actually improve thread atmosphere. Now the second post is even worse in my mind, he goes after acro despite having said he had “joined the tryhard camp” hereSo despite “tryharding” the best he can do is still an unfounded accusation.
TAKE AWAY FROM THESE POSTS: Despite his earlier concern for the thread, WoS contributes nothing of value and instead flings around accusations. His second accusation was made even after he talked about tryharding.
On June 22 2013 11:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
/tryhard pants
##Vote: Acrofales
kita.
kita.
He scum.
Vote fer him.
It would have been fine if WoS had done this after substantiating his Acro concerns but he doesn’t. Instead he votes him after no more analysis other than this. He also buddies up to kita.
TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS does nothing to advance his case.
On June 23 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 01:46 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:StrongandBig, WaveofShadow, and BC are the scums 100%. Sk8 for MVP. Thank you, good night. Also about my role, the player who wrote it wanted to gain an advantage on player roles. Everyone suspects something, but only he and I know what it does and now he knows the role he received and mine. Possibly more if he is scum. I thought about not doing it, but then he still wins if he is scum by knowing i'm out there not using my abilities. Meta-scum > Care to explain exactly what you're talking about in this post? Also sorry about letting my tryhard pants fall off, guys, I forgot to put on a belt and someone pantsed me. In all honestly the reason my posing twas crap then picked up and devolved again is because having never played in this kind of a game before I wasn't exactly sure how seriously people take it and how hard town/scum really try to win (ie do people scumhunt as normal with crazy as fuck roles flying around). It seems as though while there is likely to be more trolling in a game sch as this, people definitely do still want to win; as such I will begin to contribute in earnest. I'm still not sure of you, Acro. Why haven't you commented much on what Xatalos has to say about me aside from you sharing his suspicions? I am arguably his strongest scumread and so I probably warrant discussion, yet you keep bringing conversation into role-claiming/setup speculation type stuff.
Wtf is this post right here? He plays the noob card an acts apologetic in the same post. Like I can’t get over how bad his excuse is for his play thus far, he’s worth killing imo based on this alone. The he brings up acro, but his reasons are horrible. He mentions that he’s “not sure about him” seemingly because acro hasn’t discussed him? I’m sitting here writing this and I still can’t get over how horrible this reasoning is. Not only is it horrible, it’s incredibly forced. WoS clearly needed a reason to justify his suspicions of acro and this was the best he could do.
TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS plays the noob card and apologizes for his earlier actions then proceeds to force a suspicion of acro.
On June 23 2013 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 02:07 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 01:46 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:StrongandBig, WaveofShadow, and BC are the scums 100%. Sk8 for MVP. Thank you, good night. Also about my role, the player who wrote it wanted to gain an advantage on player roles. Everyone suspects something, but only he and I know what it does and now he knows the role he received and mine. Possibly more if he is scum. I thought about not doing it, but then he still wins if he is scum by knowing i'm out there not using my abilities. Meta-scum > Care to explain exactly what you're talking about in this post? Also sorry about letting my tryhard pants fall off, guys, I forgot to put on a belt and someone pantsed me. In all honestly the reason my posing twas crap then picked up and devolved again is because having never played in this kind of a game before I wasn't exactly sure how seriously people take it and how hard town/scum really try to win (ie do people scumhunt as normal with crazy as fuck roles flying around). It seems as though while there is likely to be more trolling in a game sch as this, people definitely do still want to win; as such I will begin to contribute in earnest. I'm still not sure of you, Acro. Why haven't you commented much on what Xatalos has to say about me aside from you sharing his suspicions? I am arguably his strongest scumread and so I probably warrant discussion, yet you keep bringing conversation into role-claiming/setup speculation type stuff. First part - My suspicions currently based on posting and defending. I don't know about the Meta, perhaps these players are known for defending other towns. Note I have not changed my vote. Second part - Self explanatory. Whoever wrote my role now knows that they wrote it. If I die, it's because of this and that they flipped mafia. I don't think it's self-explanatory at all. Acro, I am neither a fail scum or an inept townie. It's not going to be that easy for you, my man. As far as scumreads go, don't have any yet, aside from you. If you're so keen to drive conversation along towards other reads all of a sudden, do you have any others?
This is literally his next post, he offers a defense against himself and then says his only scumread is sk8. Literally his only previous mention of sk8 is, and I quote, “fucking skaterman.” And yet someone sk8 is his number one scumread. He has conveniently forgotten about acro.
TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: As pressure is starting to build on sk8 in the thread, WoS suddenly adopts sk8 as his number one read and drops acro.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2013 02:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 02:15 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 02:11 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 02:07 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 01:46 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:StrongandBig, WaveofShadow, and BC are the scums 100%. Sk8 for MVP. Thank you, good night. Also about my role, the player who wrote it wanted to gain an advantage on player roles. Everyone suspects something, but only he and I know what it does and now he knows the role he received and mine. Possibly more if he is scum. I thought about not doing it, but then he still wins if he is scum by knowing i'm out there not using my abilities. Meta-scum > Care to explain exactly what you're talking about in this post? Also sorry about letting my tryhard pants fall off, guys, I forgot to put on a belt and someone pantsed me. In all honestly the reason my posing twas crap then picked up and devolved again is because having never played in this kind of a game before I wasn't exactly sure how seriously people take it and how hard town/scum really try to win (ie do people scumhunt as normal with crazy as fuck roles flying around). It seems as though while there is likely to be more trolling in a game sch as this, people definitely do still want to win; as such I will begin to contribute in earnest. I'm still not sure of you, Acro. Why haven't you commented much on what Xatalos has to say about me aside from you sharing his suspicions? I am arguably his strongest scumread and so I probably warrant discussion, yet you keep bringing conversation into role-claiming/setup speculation type stuff. First part - My suspicions currently based on posting and defending. I don't know about the Meta, perhaps these players are known for defending other towns. Note I have not changed my vote. Second part - Self explanatory. Whoever wrote my role now knows that they wrote it. If I die, it's because of this and that they flipped mafia. I still have no clue what you're on about with the second part. Presumably the lovetaps are part of your role, and not just random crap you made up to have something to talk about on D1. That's fine. However, I fail to see how this gives you any indication of what alignment the maker of your role was. It doesn't yet. I was letting town know this so if something happens to me then we know the writer of MY card is scum. Ideally thats the only reason why you would force your target to reveal to do their ability is so that the writer are aware of it and can respond according to their alignment. How were you forced to reveal your ability exactly? I really don't follow your train of thought. On June 23 2013 03:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 03:10 geript wrote:
Kurumi is trying to make sense. Kurumi is not drawing. Kurumi is scum. Discuss. Explain. Never played with Kurumi as far as I can remember. On June 23 2013 03:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 03:17 Kurumi wrote:
I am known for trollish behaviour but I can't recall last time I made a picture for a Mafia game, that's Palmar or Blazinghand you're speaking of geript.
BC, do you think you might die to D1 lynch? This question is very interesting. Very interesting indeed. Why would you ask such a question Kurumi? On June 23 2013 04:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
kk.
I feel like we're missing/haven't heard from half the thread in a while. So much lurk = so much boring.
##Unvote
I want to talk with more people I actually know somewhat.
Kita, geript, DI?
Where yall at?
Filler questions which serve no purpose other than make WoS look active
TAKE AWAY FROM THESE POSTS: see above, it’s the same
On June 23 2013 04:04 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 03:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 03:45 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 03:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
You didn't even bother answering why you aren't pushing your scum reads. Why aren't you? Making lists with 0 reasoning behind it or solid commitment to your read is useless and is incredibly scummy. You are my scum read, which I have committed to pushing. Making a day 1 list of who I think is scummy is not scummy. Of course i'm not going to push them, because really they are just lists. If you want to be technical, yes I was not serious when I said 100%. It's day 1, you should assume that I was not 100% sure. Defending and discrediting me so hard on day one however, is scummy. Hearing that you died d1 your past few PTP's makes me feel bad. I might consider doing a pity unvote. Discrediting you? Defending myself? I can arguably be doing the second only in the fact I AM PUSHING YOU TO ACTUALLY POST YOUR REASONINGS. You walked into a thread voted me before I posted and then have not explained jack shit aside from "i think hes scum" Good job. You aren't trying to convince anyone else I am scum. IE you aren't trying to get your highest scum read lynched IE you aren't doing playing to the town win con. Pity unvote? Sounds more like you want a reason to back off me to avoid any heat. Tough shit you now have people watching your play. As for me discrediting you? How did I do so? I asked you questions you refuse to answer. You say you are committed to pushing me but you haven't attempted it once. You then say making a list is not scummy? It is if you provide 0 reasoning and refuse to provide said reasoning. I dunno, the paranoia he's exhibited towards his role and his constant discussing it, along with the usage of it in the first place makes it seem as though he knows people have been watching him all game thus far. Whether he's worried about being under pressure from you remains to be seen. The lack of proper play is concerning but I am not convinced yet.
Look at the wording of this post, it’s incredibly wishy washy and weak. Now if WoS was discussing someone who he had a null read on I’d understand, but remember this is sk8 who is supposedly WoS’s number one read. If you read this post a couple times you’ll notice it literally doesn’t say anything. In fact, he directly contradicts himself from earlier, he went from having sk8 as his number one scum suspect to being “not convinced yet”
TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS completely backtracks on his earlier scum read on sk8 in perhaps the weakest way possible.
On June 23 2013 04:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Solstice I do, I do <3 you.
The vote on Acro wasn't for shits and giggles, but the manner in which he has posted has somewhat appeased me a little lately. I think kita summed it up nicely in that Acro will remain on my radar but I could look elsewhere for now.
This is just lulzy, he now admits that his acro vote was trolling but remember he made that vote after he said he was tryharding and he even tried to justify his reasons.
TAKE AWAY FOR THIS POST: WoS fucks up.
Now I’d like to take a break from WoS for a second and bring attention back to my post about reactions to BC’s shot My post here is required reading. Notice my point about WoS. I will admit that it is perhaps not the strongest point in a vacuum, however when you look at it with the rest of my analysis it, it suddenly becomes very strong. Read my post again and remember that sk8 was WoS’s number one scum read. His. Number. One. Scum. Read. He doesn’t have any others. He is preparing for a possible green flip and wants to make himself look as good as possible. I know that if someone vigi’d WoS right now I’d be stoked we didn’t have to waste a lynch on him. Most people would probably be happy to see that their number one scum read had been shot. Nope, WoS takes a defensive stance.
TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: If you’ve only been reading the take aways, please actually read all of my analysis on this one, it’s too important.
On June 23 2013 04:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:35 s0Lstice wrote:
You are alive until a mod flips you.
I hope I'm wrong, but I really am not a fan of this BC. He was at least talking a lot, and would have been readable more and more as we continued...annoying or not, I think you just killed a townie. See, this is the mentality of keeping people like kush/grush/etc... alive until late game when no one can read them at all but because they lived so long they are almost always given a free pass regardless of alignment. Vigi's job is to clear town of mafia/people who are actively hampering towns ability to win. You can disagree with my shot however you want, but I am sick and tired of having to deal with this shit behaviour. How could you possibly know to put them in the same boat as Grush/Kush? Isn't this his first game here? This honestly looks like a masking attempt kita, don;t you see it? Like, I get the frustration and I'm all on board to start policy lynching/vigging people like Kush/Vayne/whoever in other games, but I don't see what Skater was doing as actively hurting town, and it's WAY too early in the game to determine that he'd be one of those left alive at LYLO.
Buddy buddy buddy with kita. Also calls out BC for fake frustration, oh the irony… Also he continues to argue against the shot. Let’s review quickly, WoS thought sk8 was scummy, BC thought sk8 was scummy, BC shot sk8, WoS attacked BC’s shot…
TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS continues to show zero consistency and instead seems content to go with the thread.
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On June 23 2013 05:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:06 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 04:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:38 kitaman27 wrote:
Can the role creator of Jack the Ripper confirm that the day vig can be used anonymously? The role is not jack the ripper and no one can confirm my role, because I got my own role. While BC is wiley enough to plan this, I believe him. He was clearly foreshadowing this with his objection to my plan. So he made himself a dayvig. The question is still whether he is scum or town, but I don't think we should lynch him regardless of what sk8r flips. I don't think BC has been acting particularly scummy, although so far he has only been going batshit insane tunnelmode on that sk8r guy. It just feels like the start of Personality 2, and I think this is more BC losing his temper than BC making a calculated scumplay to vig shot some noobie who does not feel like much of a threat. Yeah I don't buy it. I've seen BC lose his temper. BC knows that people have seen him lose his temper. Can you link me something from Personality 2 (apparently an infamous game that nobody likes to talk about) that indicates why you think this more likely town BC?
So wait, is BC now scum WoS? This is something scum love to do and that’s discredit people without directly calling them scum. WoS has been doing it to BC for several posts now. What he’s implying here is that “BC is scum using fake rage to hide his actions.” Of course it would be an aggressive stance to take so WoS is trying to hide behind cautious words.
TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS discredits BC, but rather than take a firm stand he continues with his wishy washy behavior.
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On June 23 2013 05:37 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:21 s0Lstice wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS,
you are suggesting that BC, aware of his meta, is impersonating his town meta (losing temper) for the purposes of manipulation?
If so, how is this more likely than the simple explanation that 'BC is playing to his meta.' Remember Les Mafia? That's how. The reason meta works at all is because people play to it without realizing it. If meta was manipulable i.e. I know my meta and can therefore use it to confuse people...then meta would break down entirely. I think you believe what you are saying though, so I don't care so much about how correct I think your view on it is. You really think something this obvious that people recognize BC for is something he'd do without realizing it? This isn't a subtle tell we're talking about here like misspelling words or using certain phrases. Meta is completely manipulable on a grand scale; it's the subtle things that actually make meta reads useful. I found it particularly easy to play to my town meta on all the obvious points that people recognized me for, but I can think of a couple things I definitely did completely differently that game that nobody picked up on that would have gotten me nailed. Tell me this. If I am scum and you think I am faking my town meta just answer me this. Why would I bother shooting someone I think is actively fucking with the thread when its far easier to sit back and let him be a fucktard? Why would I not wait until someone appeared everyone wanted dead and shoot them, or just hold off and wait and strike at a more advantageous moment? I honestly don't care if you think I am scum or not, but arguing based on the fact I can change my own meta while not accounting for the rest of the things that should be accounted for is odd. Because I didn't think he was being fucktarded enough to mess with the thread. I don't see any evidence that 'letting him be fucktarded' remains in scum interests in any way since at least to me Skater was well on his way to proving his towniness to me. I've said so and argued for it.
Suddenly sk8 was “well on his way to proving his towniness.” L o fucking l. WoS goes with the thread, he was on sk8 when the thread was, now that BC is under the gun he’s going after BC. Convenient. He also gets in a few more bashes at BC.
TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS is content to base his reads on how popular they’ll be in the thread.
Next we have a two post tango. We go from this:
On June 23 2013 05:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:43 s0Lstice wrote:On June 23 2013 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:21 s0Lstice wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS,
you are suggesting that BC, aware of his meta, is impersonating his town meta (losing temper) for the purposes of manipulation?
If so, how is this more likely than the simple explanation that 'BC is playing to his meta.' Remember Les Mafia? That's how. The reason meta works at all is because people play to it without realizing it. If meta was manipulable i.e. I know my meta and can therefore use it to confuse people...then meta would break down entirely. I think you believe what you are saying though, so I don't care so much about how correct I think your view on it is. You really think something this obvious that people recognize BC for is something he'd do without realizing it? This isn't a subtle tell we're talking about here like misspelling words or using certain phrases. Meta is completely manipulable on a grand scale; it's the subtle things that actually make meta reads useful. I found it particularly easy to play to my town meta on all the obvious points that people recognized me for, but I can think of a couple things I definitely did completely differently that game that nobody picked up on that would have gotten me nailed. The issue is that if you can convincingly do something as either alignment, then that particular thing is not part of your town or scum meta. You saying you were aware of what people attributed to town you, and thus could include them in your scum play, makes those elements not part of your meta at all, despite people thinking they did. This is why meta arguments fail so often...because elements of peoples play that should go in to a meta case are things that are not reliably controllable/stem from the subconscious. Also, being aware of ones meta as scum (or more specifically, things that other people typically assign to scum or town you, whether correct or not) follows the same rules as all other scum play. You are putting on a show by falsely playing to your town 'meta,' and can fall in to the same traps that scum fall into when they are making fake cases/fake contributions etc. To be clear, I really don't care how this discussion you and I are having applies to BC. I asked to get a clearer view of your alignment WoS. Stepping out for a bit now. I disagree with this somewhat but I'll accept it. What interests me is this being solely an effort to divine my alignment. Did you come to any conclusions? I also don't recall you asking these sorts of things in Les Mafia.
To this:
On June 24 2013 02:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Solstice is scum.
I'm sure of it.
##Vote: s0Lstice
I probably won't be around until later but guys trust me on this.
WAGON OF JUSTICEEEEEEE
What I’ve quoted for you are WoS’s first interaction with solstice and then his next interaction. I think I’m starting to sound like a broken record here but WoS changes his scumreads based on the thread. Like really, let’s review, he had no scum reads other than sk8, sk8 got shot at and he started going after BC, then the thread turned on solstice (who was fucking town), and WoS is all over him. WoS really doesn’t care who dies, he just doesn’t want to stand out,
TAKE AWAY FROM THESE POSTS: WoS fucks up again
On June 24 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Is there enough time to not make today a no-lynch?
I'll switch if so. I fucking hate no lynch.
I want BLOOD
Yuuuup, let’s kill someone to get those town numbers down amirite WoS?
On June 24 2013 05:26 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 05:24 Kurumi wrote:
I am not swapping out of sk8r.
I am not buying how he suddenly turned out not to be scum and how crossfire helped you to believe that. He never WAS scum. Do you honestly think that he's a bad a scum player as he's been? It's honestly stupid that we have people here who have played more than one game on TL and they honestly believe that sk8 could be scum atm. SWITCH YOUR VOTES
Now WoS is rewriting history, sk8 “never WAS scum” lol unreal.
TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS fucks up again
On June 24 2013 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Good timing!
Yeah if I was around I would have hammered 100% 'cause I love seein' me some flip even though I haven't read into austin in the slightest.
Take that whatever way you will, but I'm telling the truth.
I think it's kinda funny that it was even insinuated that I should be modkilled because I didn't vote btw. Like....was it MZ who said 'yeah don't modkill/warn Wave 'cause he wasn't around for the solstice kill.'
Even if it was a scumplan of mine to conveniently disappear, it's obvious that I was around and voted immediately prior to that so there is no need for a modkill or warning. I don't even see the point in bringing it up. I find it less odd that I am being suspected of afking on purpose than MZ's defense of me, and those two things are definitely incompatible.
WoS really just gives it away here, “I’d hammer him for the flip.” That’s not a very townie mindset -_- Then he brings up the fact he was afk and tries to say I defended him? All I was saying was that since the shot happened so fast it wouldn’t be fair to modkill people who didn’t vote but WoS feels the need to get on a giant explain train as to why he wasn’t here.
TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS is content to kill whoever is under the gun as has been shown time and again, furthermore he brings up nonsense points to muddy the waters.
On June 24 2013 23:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
I won't be killed at night obv so I'll share scumreads when I get home and have some time later.
It'll probably be after deadline.
Yup, he knows he’s not gonna die lol. Also I’d love to see some unique scumreads but my guess is they’ll be whatever it is that the thread is currently discussing.
Ok I’m done here, this guy is so scum it’s not even funny.
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##Silence: BC
##Silence: sk8
STOP arguing with each other for a few moments, and interact with us.
If you two could answer my questions then I'd be happy
Know that I charge you 100$ each for the counseling sessions, so you better make the most of it!
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lololol I suspected earlier that gonzaw got my role and now I'm almost certain of it.
Makes me think he's likely to be town considering he's been complaining about it all day and I highly doubt he's been setting it up for so long.
Gonzaw if you have my role and are town, there probably isn't a good way to use it, at least not the way you've been playing. I am also unsure as to whether or not any changes were made to it. You should just relax and have fun with it. It has potential but it probably requires a lot of thinking on your part when activated.
IF you have it.
Will be in and out until later this evening.
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On June 25 2013 03:39 gonzaw wrote:Okay, FINALLY So BC; what about kita? You think he's scummy scummy scum? Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 03:31 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 25 2013 03:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 25 2013 02:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 25 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, xat.
The reason i view sk8s ability use as not townlike is this.
He has actively had posts that are heavily heavily anti town. He actively admitted to trolling, and lying about reads. Denying to give his reads when he could have died as it "was people fishing"
He then near instantly starts claiming my shot was fake and proceeds to toss suspicion on me for it when he would know his power was responsible for him not dying. Given the fact he openly admitted to wanting to get shot, and has been behaving overall as someone attempting to take a vig bullet, I would put him down as a scum read. Just because he has a self defense power and that he came out and admitted it WELL AFTER a situation while using the role as a reason to call bullshit and clutter the thread even more.
Kita and Meapak both need to post more. Still pressuring me. Did someone write an Executioner role that can also day vig? My self defense power does not roleblock you or return your bullet which is why I think you are lying or someone else saved me. Just so everyone knows, I am Sally Sparrow, town aligned, and used my ability during the day. I will be using my ability AGAIN tonight.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain So let me get this straight? You are a town aligned role that can make shots not work on you (refunded to holder) and can use this role, every half cycle? You can call me a liar, I know what PM I got from the hosts. So far only you have claimed a power that could stop my shot (mafia could clearly be hiding behind this fact and not claiming a block). However, you role use to save yourself is an alignment null. Anyone in your position would try to avoid dying town or mafia. your behaviour is what I find horrifically scummy. The fact you knew you used a role to avoid death, immediately claimed bullshit on my shot well before hosts had even started trying to sort out roles, is baffling. You then after hosts has resolved and I stated what happened were still harping on fake shot and bullshit. You actively have lied, trolled and admitted to these things. Again, my role does not return a bullet to you which is what confirmed to me that you lied OR that someone else targeted you. Your scum hunting skill is what I find to be horrifically bad. Basically you think because I'm trolling that I am scum. All your other arguments are poor and just based off your tunnelling. See? You just had to say that single line to make things clearer instead of making everybody confused as fuck about this whole shit. That does indeed make things interesting. Kurumi might have something to do with that, if not one of you is lying (although this kind of seems improbable, there's little reason for scum to lie with pointless shit like this) Also sk8 please thoughts on someone other than BC as well
I think kita is fishy as fuck. Look at his filter? He voted austin and sol but never provided any reasoning on why he views either as scum. His only solid analysis post ever is on sk8r. Again when sk8r was peak of thread sentiment. Hes not trying to push lynches, hes sheeping them.
Also this looks horrible.
On June 24 2013 04:18 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 04:17 s0Lstice wrote:On June 24 2013 04:13 kitaman27 wrote:On June 24 2013 04:09 s0Lstice wrote:
Why the hell would I try to explain what happened to the roleblocker? I can make up a bunch of scenarios where the two of them can be either alignment based on what happened with the roleblocker, and not have any idea which is more likely, because its flippin PTP. I'm reading them like I'm not in PTP...like I said before, the old fashioned way. I kinda think you didn't even read my filter dude, because I've been over this. So it is your opinion that a town roleblocker saved Sk8r, but will not claim because he wants to see Sk8r burn at the stake? Or that a mafia roleblocker saved Sk9r because he wanted to lynch him rather than vig him? oh this is fun ...or one of the million lurkers we have has an automatic dayvig shutdown and hasn't been around to say anything about it or isn't caring/is checked out to the point that they don't realize that information would be pertinant right now? Like Xfire? your focus on this is silly
So you're saying that there was a town dayblocker that happened to be around in time to save Sk8r, but hasn't returned in the thread since? That's a silly explanation.[/QUOTE]
On June 24 2013 04:44 Crossfire99 wrote:
Sigh...I didn't want to have to do this, but looking at the voting thread and thread sentiment I have to speak up. I created sk8r's role and know how he survived his shot. That is all. Now lynch someone besides him because I don't think he is mafia.
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WHOA BIG CASE FROM MZ
I'll read it when I get the chance.
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On June 25 2013 03:45 gonzaw wrote:
##Silence: BC
##Silence: sk8
STOP arguing with each other for a few moments, and interact with us.
If you two could answer my questions then I'd be happy
Know that I charge you 100$ each for the counseling sessions, so you better make the most of it!
im capable of talking to multiple people at once while im around.
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If mz keeps posting like this I will think hes town not mafia, excellent.
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I'd have waited for the deadline but I have to go to class, peace out biddies
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On June 25 2013 03:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 03:31 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 25 2013 03:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 25 2013 02:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 25 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, xat.
The reason i view sk8s ability use as not townlike is this.
He has actively had posts that are heavily heavily anti town. He actively admitted to trolling, and lying about reads. Denying to give his reads when he could have died as it "was people fishing"
He then near instantly starts claiming my shot was fake and proceeds to toss suspicion on me for it when he would know his power was responsible for him not dying. Given the fact he openly admitted to wanting to get shot, and has been behaving overall as someone attempting to take a vig bullet, I would put him down as a scum read. Just because he has a self defense power and that he came out and admitted it WELL AFTER a situation while using the role as a reason to call bullshit and clutter the thread even more.
Kita and Meapak both need to post more. Still pressuring me. Did someone write an Executioner role that can also day vig? My self defense power does not roleblock you or return your bullet which is why I think you are lying or someone else saved me. Just so everyone knows, I am Sally Sparrow, town aligned, and used my ability during the day. I will be using my ability AGAIN tonight.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain So let me get this straight? You are a town aligned role that can make shots not work on you (refunded to holder) and can use this role, every half cycle? You can call me a liar, I know what PM I got from the hosts. So far only you have claimed a power that could stop my shot (mafia could clearly be hiding behind this fact and not claiming a block). However, you role use to save yourself is an alignment null. Anyone in your position would try to avoid dying town or mafia. your behaviour is what I find horrifically scummy. The fact you knew you used a role to avoid death, immediately claimed bullshit on my shot well before hosts had even started trying to sort out roles, is baffling. You then after hosts has resolved and I stated what happened were still harping on fake shot and bullshit. You actively have lied, trolled and admitted to these things. Again, my role does not return a bullet to you which is what confirmed to me that you lied OR that someone else targeted you. Your scum hunting skill is what I find to be horrifically bad. Basically you think because I'm trolling that I am scum. All your other arguments are poor and just based off your tunnelling. you liedyou trolled
you have said pushing anti town players day 1 is bad
you have played in a way to draw town shotsThese are 4 of my main reasons for not liking you. This isn't me tunneling you anymore. This is me looking at a player who has done fucking nothing all game. You still don't scumhunt. You spend time defending yourself more than anything else. You know what? If you scumhunt or appear to be doing things that help the town, people wont look at you. You have not changed your behaviour in my eyes at all since all the shit went down between us. As such you are still firmly red. Difference is? i am also looking at other people. Also given that I think you are scum, I don't believe you on how you say your role works. Nothing xfire said clears you of suspicion.
Everything bolded is wrong.
Where have I lied? I was mislead/confused about how the shot went down. There was no lie.
Also their is a fundamental flaw in the way you guys are scum hunting. If you go and tunnel everything someones posting, tell them that's why you think they are being scummy. Then they will defend it and try to fix it. Which will just make it harder to pinpoint them as scum later.
I get my reads, hold them until I am sure and then post it. That way there is no wiggling out for the scum. It also makes me more of a threat to Mafia since they do not know if my reads are going to condemn them or not.
@Austin I can explain the cryptic posts to a degree if you would like.
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Hmm, Meapak, 2 things:
1)I think he said his Acro vote WASNT for shits and giggles (thus wasn't trolling)
2)I fail to see where he said sk8 was his "#1 infallible 100% super duper scum read", he just said this:
As far as scumreads go, don't have any yet, aside from you.
It is indeed a "I think he's scum" post, but well, it's vague enough to maybe not being thought of as 100% sure scum (him being vague like that isn't townie either).
Hmm, I'll keep reading.
Ultimately, I wouldn't mind WOS lynched...mainly because he doesn't have my role (thus I'll know 100% my role will still be alive) lol
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On June 25 2013 03:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
lololol I suspected earlier that gonzaw got my role and now I'm almost certain of it.
Makes me think he's likely to be town considering he's been complaining about it all day and I highly doubt he's been setting it up for so long.
Gonzaw if you have my role and are town, there probably isn't a good way to use it, at least not the way you've been playing. I am also unsure as to whether or not any changes were made to it. You should just relax and have fun with it. It has potential but it probably requires a lot of thinking on your part when activated.
IF you have it.
Will be in and out until later this evening.
...okay you are getting lynched tomorrow >: (
....goddamit dude
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The point about Wave 180ing when the shot hits the fan is pretty good.
Would lynch just for that.
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On June 25 2013 03:54 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 03:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
lololol I suspected earlier that gonzaw got my role and now I'm almost certain of it.
Makes me think he's likely to be town considering he's been complaining about it all day and I highly doubt he's been setting it up for so long.
Gonzaw if you have my role and are town, there probably isn't a good way to use it, at least not the way you've been playing. I am also unsure as to whether or not any changes were made to it. You should just relax and have fun with it. It has potential but it probably requires a lot of thinking on your part when activated.
IF you have it.
Will be in and out until later this evening. ...okay you are getting lynched tomorrow >: ( ....goddamit dude
Woah hold on here buddy. You might have gotten my role 
MZ's case against Wave of Shadow is pretty good. I don't want him to get lynched for giving you a role though. Host made it clear that you choose roles, then get alignment....
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It's weird because I thought WOS's reaction to the shot was kind of townie.
I was mostly comparing it to solstice's (which I found scummy); at least in the sense that WOS was there actively discussing shit about BC/sk8 and trying to figure the whole shit out...
...now I'll get the obvious "but it's irrelevant stuff to scumhunting, any scum could do that!" comment, but well, it's the WAY he does it which doesn't really seem like obvious scum faking contributions.
Meh, I may need to reread that again (I'm leaving in a couple of minutes anyways)
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Hmm, that WOS case just seems too "good" to be true.
Could a scum really fuck up so much as to call a guy scum then out of nowhere change his read on him (in contrast with changing his read when he's not posting about him)?
Hmm, I think the WOS thing might resolve itself by just checking his play in Roulette, so I'll just do that after coming home
If I have time I'll look into kita as well.
Also, anybody else has thoughts on Xfire? Or do you all think he's likely town (other than austin....who I don't even remember what he said?)
Also austin wtf is with those lone posts posting weird shit (at least un-austinlike shit)?
Why aren't you here discussing shit with us?
On June 25 2013 03:50 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Also their is a fundamental flaw in the way you guys are scum hunting. If you go and tunnel everything someones posting, tell them that's why you think they are being scummy. Then they will defend it and try to fix it. Which will just make it harder to pinpoint them as scum later.
I get my reads, hold them until I am sure and then post it. That way there is no wiggling out for the scum. It also makes me more of a threat to Mafia since they do not know if my reads are going to condemn them or not.
Okay, then have fun getting (mis)lynched.
You know what, everybody should just do what you are doing, let's all pick a single guy to argue about circular shit and never disclose any scum reads at all until it's D6 or something.
I'm sure we'll have this game in the bag!
Here are the top 3 priorities as town:
1)Establish innocence
2)Hunt scum
3)Not fuck up the thread
You are failing on all 3 so far (wouldn't really fail on 1 if you didn't fail so much on 2 and 3), so please revise that strategy of yours, and that "fundamental flaw" you are talking about.
READ THIS SHIT SK8
Did I get your attention?
Good, because I'll assume you have read this and are aware of it by now, so if you keep doing what you are doing I'll be forced to think you are doing it with a scum agenda behind it
And with that, I leave
Stay classy Liquidia
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On June 25 2013 03:50 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 03:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 25 2013 03:31 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 25 2013 03:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 25 2013 02:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 25 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, xat.
The reason i view sk8s ability use as not townlike is this.
He has actively had posts that are heavily heavily anti town. He actively admitted to trolling, and lying about reads. Denying to give his reads when he could have died as it "was people fishing"
He then near instantly starts claiming my shot was fake and proceeds to toss suspicion on me for it when he would know his power was responsible for him not dying. Given the fact he openly admitted to wanting to get shot, and has been behaving overall as someone attempting to take a vig bullet, I would put him down as a scum read. Just because he has a self defense power and that he came out and admitted it WELL AFTER a situation while using the role as a reason to call bullshit and clutter the thread even more.
Kita and Meapak both need to post more. Still pressuring me. Did someone write an Executioner role that can also day vig? My self defense power does not roleblock you or return your bullet which is why I think you are lying or someone else saved me. Just so everyone knows, I am Sally Sparrow, town aligned, and used my ability during the day. I will be using my ability AGAIN tonight.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain So let me get this straight? You are a town aligned role that can make shots not work on you (refunded to holder) and can use this role, every half cycle? You can call me a liar, I know what PM I got from the hosts. So far only you have claimed a power that could stop my shot (mafia could clearly be hiding behind this fact and not claiming a block). However, you role use to save yourself is an alignment null. Anyone in your position would try to avoid dying town or mafia. your behaviour is what I find horrifically scummy. The fact you knew you used a role to avoid death, immediately claimed bullshit on my shot well before hosts had even started trying to sort out roles, is baffling. You then after hosts has resolved and I stated what happened were still harping on fake shot and bullshit. You actively have lied, trolled and admitted to these things. Again, my role does not return a bullet to you which is what confirmed to me that you lied OR that someone else targeted you. Your scum hunting skill is what I find to be horrifically bad. Basically you think because I'm trolling that I am scum. All your other arguments are poor and just based off your tunnelling. you liedyou trolled
you have said pushing anti town players day 1 is bad
you have played in a way to draw town shotsThese are 4 of my main reasons for not liking you. This isn't me tunneling you anymore. This is me looking at a player who has done fucking nothing all game. You still don't scumhunt. You spend time defending yourself more than anything else. You know what? If you scumhunt or appear to be doing things that help the town, people wont look at you. You have not changed your behaviour in my eyes at all since all the shit went down between us. As such you are still firmly red. Difference is? i am also looking at other people. Also given that I think you are scum, I don't believe you on how you say your role works. Nothing xfire said clears you of suspicion. Everything bolded is wrong. Where have I lied? I was mislead/confused about how the shot went down. There was no lie. Also their is a fundamental flaw in the way you guys are scum hunting. If you go and tunnel everything someones posting, tell them that's why you think they are being scummy. Then they will defend it and try to fix it. Which will just make it harder to pinpoint them as scum later. I get my reads, hold them until I am sure and then post it. That way there is no wiggling out for the scum. It also makes me more of a threat to Mafia since they do not know if my reads are going to condemn them or not. @Austin I can explain the cryptic posts to a degree if you would like.
How is the bolded wrong? You have
A) given scumreads then said you didnt actually have any and they werent your reads
B) have actively said you were trolling (this is anti town) ie you are attempting to draw shots. You have done nothing to help town so only vigis would shoot you
C)
On June 23 2013 09:05 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 08:47 geript wrote:On June 23 2013 07:50 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
I am not seeing what makes you think he is asusming BC and myself are town. He was comparing BC to another game and saying if he is town, he is not playing well. Dandel would assume that BC would not continue to play poorly and instead concluded that he is scum. *My interpretation, Dandel may have been thinking something else. In LXI BC played terribly and gave the game to scum on a silver platter. The assumption is that he's playing badly again and therefor town. But if he's playing badly and shoots you, that impugns that you're town (shooting scum d1 is good play obviously). On June 23 2013 06:59 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Berating a vigi who will kill people that are anti town is in hopes that he will not continue day killing for no reason. A very pro town thing. However, since Dandel is in the same position as me i.e. Threatened by an over-emotional vigi. It makes sense that he is going to call him out on making a bad decision. The thing is as a vigi, you're supposed to kill anti town elements. How is it that you've come out of this whole D1 shot scenario with the fact that Dandel is town instead of trying to get a better read on BC or be able to build a good case on BC being scum? The first thing sounds good. The second part - Killing anti town is not the same as killing scum. I will disagree with you there. Even if he believed I was anti town, acting on it day one is a poor move. I did post the new reads on BC after I believed it was fake, you are quoting only my most recent post. While it's possible that someone created a role that can roleblock after something happened. I don't see any reason why someone wouldn't admit to at least making the role. I will say that I did not make that role. I initially thought perhaps there was a day healer, but I had no message about being attacked, and dismissed that. Until someone claims that they created a role that can either roleblock someone after they declared their action (which btw is a terrible role. Seeing as it only affects day abilities. Be ashamed of yourself for giving someone that) then I think it is fake. I know for sure I was not attacked and healed. What I conclude - BC attempted to confuse me into revealing information about my role before death by faking a vigi kill and that he picked the role for himself, which is notably convenient. His reasoning was because I'm a troll and anti-town and that killing me early would prevent me from hurting the game in the future, by comparing me to other players who have apparently done this. I would like to say again, trying to Meta an unknown player and comparing me to players you know is not going to give you a good idea of my playstyle. I am curious why other players are not seeing him as scummy after all this? Perhaps scum protecting. Killing someone you think is a town because they posted something anti-town is even more Anti town. @Solstice, what is your opinion on BC, and me while you are at it?
See bolded. You also lie in this post about me trying to confuse you into revealing information. I was actively asking you to post your reads, and give justification for things. I still think you are more likely to be mafia than town, I do think there is a slight chance you flip town. Why? Because town play terribly like this a lot.
Seriously dude. Start posting new information. I may be "tunnelling" you but at least I am also looking at other people.
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