EPTPTP IV - Demon's Run - Page 61
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Kurumi
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BloodyC0bbler
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Ill tell you a secret though, I don't think I've ever been this inactive in any game I've played. The time with BC/sk8r is how I play as both scum and town, but of course you're welcome to make what you will of my meta. Ill tell you another secret. I'm not a good lynch. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On June 25 2013 03:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So let’s kill WoS tomorrow. I’ve mentioned him several times and finally got around to making a case. WoS starts out with a very weird post complaining about the “fucking around” going on. The game has only been going on for a few pages and he’s already divided people into camps of “tryharding” and “fucking around” ultimately however, this post does nothing. It’s pure fluff with the intention of looking all townie and concerned. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: He mentions player names and yet makes no reads. He exploits the state of the thread to appear townie. Let’s take these next two posts at the same time, unfounded accusations against two players for no reason. Now WoS will probably say he was just fucking around with the first post, however remember this is something he already ranted about and is thus inconsistent with his earlier “anger” at the state of the thread. A townie would have kept consistent, however scum would see no reason to actually improve thread atmosphere. Now the second post is even worse in my mind, he goes after acro despite having said he had “joined the tryhard camp” hereSo despite “tryharding” the best he can do is still an unfounded accusation. TAKE AWAY FROM THESE POSTS: Despite his earlier concern for the thread, WoS contributes nothing of value and instead flings around accusations. His second accusation was made even after he talked about tryharding. It would have been fine if WoS had done this after substantiating his Acro concerns but he doesn’t. Instead he votes him after no more analysis other than this. He also buddies up to kita. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS does nothing to advance his case. Wtf is this post right here? He plays the noob card an acts apologetic in the same post. Like I can’t get over how bad his excuse is for his play thus far, he’s worth killing imo based on this alone. The he brings up acro, but his reasons are horrible. He mentions that he’s “not sure about him” seemingly because acro hasn’t discussed him? I’m sitting here writing this and I still can’t get over how horrible this reasoning is. Not only is it horrible, it’s incredibly forced. WoS clearly needed a reason to justify his suspicions of acro and this was the best he could do. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS plays the noob card and apologizes for his earlier actions then proceeds to force a suspicion of acro. This is literally his next post, he offers a defense against himself and then says his only scumread is sk8. Literally his only previous mention of sk8 is, and I quote, “fucking skaterman.” And yet someone sk8 is his number one scumread. He has conveniently forgotten about acro. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: As pressure is starting to build on sk8 in the thread, WoS suddenly adopts sk8 as his number one read and drops acro. + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2013 02:18 WaveofShadow wrote: How were you forced to reveal your ability exactly? I really don't follow your train of thought. On June 23 2013 03:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Explain. Never played with Kurumi as far as I can remember. On June 23 2013 03:25 WaveofShadow wrote: This question is very interesting. Very interesting indeed. Why would you ask such a question Kurumi? On June 23 2013 04:01 WaveofShadow wrote: kk. I feel like we're missing/haven't heard from half the thread in a while. So much lurk = so much boring. ##Unvote I want to talk with more people I actually know somewhat. Kita, geript, DI? Where yall at? Filler questions which serve no purpose other than make WoS look active TAKE AWAY FROM THESE POSTS: see above, it’s the same Look at the wording of this post, it’s incredibly wishy washy and weak. Now if WoS was discussing someone who he had a null read on I’d understand, but remember this is sk8 who is supposedly WoS’s number one read. If you read this post a couple times you’ll notice it literally doesn’t say anything. In fact, he directly contradicts himself from earlier, he went from having sk8 as his number one scum suspect to being “not convinced yet” TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS completely backtracks on his earlier scum read on sk8 in perhaps the weakest way possible. This is just lulzy, he now admits that his acro vote was trolling but remember he made that vote after he said he was tryharding and he even tried to justify his reasons. TAKE AWAY FOR THIS POST: WoS fucks up. Now I’d like to take a break from WoS for a second and bring attention back to my post about reactions to BC’s shot My post here is required reading. Notice my point about WoS. I will admit that it is perhaps not the strongest point in a vacuum, however when you look at it with the rest of my analysis it, it suddenly becomes very strong. Read my post again and remember that sk8 was WoS’s number one scum read. His. Number. One. Scum. Read. He doesn’t have any others. He is preparing for a possible green flip and wants to make himself look as good as possible. I know that if someone vigi’d WoS right now I’d be stoked we didn’t have to waste a lynch on him. Most people would probably be happy to see that their number one scum read had been shot. Nope, WoS takes a defensive stance. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: If you’ve only been reading the take aways, please actually read all of my analysis on this one, it’s too important. Buddy buddy buddy with kita. Also calls out BC for fake frustration, oh the irony… Also he continues to argue against the shot. Let’s review quickly, WoS thought sk8 was scummy, BC thought sk8 was scummy, BC shot sk8, WoS attacked BC’s shot… TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS continues to show zero consistency and instead seems content to go with the thread. Similar posts here So wait, is BC now scum WoS? This is something scum love to do and that’s discredit people without directly calling them scum. WoS has been doing it to BC for several posts now. What he’s implying here is that “BC is scum using fake rage to hide his actions.” Of course it would be an aggressive stance to take so WoS is trying to hide behind cautious words. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS discredits BC, but rather than take a firm stand he continues with his wishy washy behavior. Similar posts here here here Suddenly sk8 was “well on his way to proving his towniness.” L o fucking l. WoS goes with the thread, he was on sk8 when the thread was, now that BC is under the gun he’s going after BC. Convenient. He also gets in a few more bashes at BC. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS is content to base his reads on how popular they’ll be in the thread. Next we have a two post tango. We go from this: To this: What I’ve quoted for you are WoS’s first interaction with solstice and then his next interaction. I think I’m starting to sound like a broken record here but WoS changes his scumreads based on the thread. Like really, let’s review, he had no scum reads other than sk8, sk8 got shot at and he started going after BC, then the thread turned on solstice (who was fucking town), and WoS is all over him. WoS really doesn’t care who dies, he just doesn’t want to stand out, TAKE AWAY FROM THESE POSTS: WoS fucks up again Yuuuup, let’s kill someone to get those town numbers down amirite WoS? Now WoS is rewriting history, sk8 “never WAS scum” lol unreal. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS fucks up again WoS really just gives it away here, “I’d hammer him for the flip.” That’s not a very townie mindset -_- Then he brings up the fact he was afk and tries to say I defended him? All I was saying was that since the shot happened so fast it wouldn’t be fair to modkill people who didn’t vote but WoS feels the need to get on a giant explain train as to why he wasn’t here. TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST: WoS is content to kill whoever is under the gun as has been shown time and again, furthermore he brings up nonsense points to muddy the waters. Yup, he knows he’s not gonna die lol. Also I’d love to see some unique scumreads but my guess is they’ll be whatever it is that the thread is currently discussing. Ok I’m done here, this guy is so scum it’s not even funny. Now THIS is what I'm talking about. Townie+++ points for Meapak. You didn't mention his shady post-justification for voting s0Lstice (clearly it only occurred to him after he had already voted). Otherwise, everything seems to be in place, much better than I have (or could have, I guess) put it myself. Especially good points about his effortlessly flip-flopping reads and completely sheepish attitude to lynching. I'd say he's almost certainly scum by now. If someone disagrees with him being tomorrow's lynch, I'd like to hear some strong reasons. BC, do you still insist on sk8r..? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On June 25 2013 04:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Gonzaw is on the right track, I wonder how many scum have jumped on the 'wave is a good lynch' wagon thus far? Ill tell you a secret though, I don't think I've ever been this inactive in any game I've played. The time with BC/sk8r is how I play as both scum and town, but of course you're welcome to make what you will of my meta. Ill tell you another secret. I'm not a good lynch. How about you show us why instead of just saying that. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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gonzaw
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On June 25 2013 04:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Gonzaw is on the right track, I wonder how many scum have jumped on the 'wave is a good lynch' wagon thus far? Ill tell you a secret though, I don't think I've ever been this inactive in any game I've played. The time with BC/sk8r is how I play as both scum and town, but of course you're welcome to make what you will of my meta. Ill tell you another secret. I'm not a good lynch. How about instead of saying that you explain why the shit MZ said is false? Also, I want to be sure where I want my anger directed towards, you or sk8: What is the 3rd letter of the char you made the role of? On June 25 2013 04:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Gonzaw I remember now why I like you so much I am here to please | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On June 25 2013 04:22 Dandel Ion wrote: How about you show us why instead of just saying that. Stop ninjaing me > : ( | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On June 25 2013 04:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Do I still want sk8r to eat a bullet/lynch? Yes. I know a few others deserving of the same treatment. Okay.. Great. Let's put it this way: is sk8r still your #1 priority right now? What if it was close between WOS/sk8r? And what if it was close between WOS and someone else than sk8r? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
would if i could | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On June 25 2013 04:26 Xatalos wrote: Okay.. Great. Let's put it this way: is sk8r still your #1 priority right now? What if it was close between WOS/sk8r? And what if it was close between WOS and someone else than sk8r? atm, kita is pretty high on my list. I keep harping on sk8r because he keeps posting his bullshit. -_- Hes likely tied for my #1 read atm | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On June 25 2013 04:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: atm, kita is pretty high on my list. I keep harping on sk8r because he keeps posting his bullshit. -_- Hes likely tied for my #1 read atm Hmm. Kitaman.. Didn't really look at him yet. Next on to-do. But what about WOS? Isn't he up there at all? Or even on the scummy category? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 25 2013 04:16 gonzaw wrote: If I have time I'll look into kita as well. I'd recommend saving it for after the day post, assuming things work out as planned. Wouldn't want to waste your precious time after all  | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17947 Posts
@Xatalos: what was the point of those questions? An exploration in self-analysis? If it is somehow going to help you scumhunt I'll answer, but it seems more postgame oriented than of any use right now. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
On June 25 2013 04:32 Xatalos wrote: Hmm. Kitaman.. Didn't really look at him yet. Next on to-do. But what about WOS? Isn't he up there at all? Or even on the scummy category? I have him more or less null at the moment. He has done stuff that looks fucking bad, but hes also done stuff that looks good. If not for Meapaks analysis post right now how many people would put him as a #1 scum read? hes done very little since the lynch and thus you would think if he was this heavily suspected would have been pushed as an option over austin. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On June 25 2013 04:33 kitaman27 wrote: I'd recommend saving it for after the day post, assuming things work out as planned. Wouldn't want to waste your precious time after all I see you've been posting role fluff all night. You mean you'll be confirmed soon..? Hmmm. I don't see scumhunting in your filter and your voting was basically sheepish/effortless close to D1 deadline. Doesn't look too good. I guess I'll hold judgement until daypost though, since you're saying that. | ||
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Acrofales
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austinmcc
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acro, this is some butt right here. On June 24 2013 12:24 Acrofales wrote: I also had a quick look at Xfire's filter. There's not much content there, but the bit there is is actually pretty good. Firstly, he defends sk8er when the ball was getting rolling. He basically singlehandedly stopped the lynch on sk8er. That seems to mean they are either scum together, or Xfire isn't scum: there seems to be no reason for a scum Xfire to prevent a lynch on town sk8er. Now, given my updated read on sk8er I am getting back to thinking he's town, and presumably will prove it through whatever mechanism he's claiming. So Xfire seems in the clear too. On June 24 2013 12:25 Acrofales wrote: austin completely missing stuff like that is not making me any more comfortable about him. For one, On June 24 2013 10:41 austinmcc wrote: Maybe that was unclear, but no context meant I was just re-filtering and not going through to really dig into when votes came in, when he posted, where votes moved. That one I can actually do tonight, at least out of context. Rest needs to wait until tomorrow. ... Without any context, just checking his filter, doesn't pass the smell test. ... Regardless of that, here's the main reason this post is butt. Crossfire's posts about skater don't stop the lynch. Look at his posts - + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 04:38 Crossfire99 wrote: As I noted in my other post, this is air. "Look at how he acted and is acting now, I don't see that coming from scum" is NOT much of a defense. Not a single person who wanted to lynch skater at this point reads that and changes his vote.Sorry that I've been away so long. (I did say pregame that I wouldn't have much time, but I didn't think it would be this bad T_T) I just finished catching up on what has happened. I think sk8 is town. Looking at the way he's acted before and after the shot, what he said he was trying to accomplish, how he is acting now, etc, I don't see that coming from a scum player. In solidarity with him, I will ##Lovetap: xxSK8rGUy277xx I will be around for questions, but right now, I will be rereading the thread and looking at filters to see who I want to lynch. On June 24 2013 04:44 Crossfire99 wrote: Sigh...I didn't want to have to do this, but looking at the voting thread and thread sentiment I have to speak up. I created sk8r's role and know how he survived his shot. That is all. Now lynch someone besides him because I don't think he is mafia. On June 24 2013 04:53 Crossfire99 wrote: Stop asking how sk8r's role works. I created it and know how it works and know how he survived. The only reason anyone else from this point would need to know how his role works is if they're scum. If you're town, you don't need to know how he survived, all you should care about is that he is alive. Leave it alone. On June 24 2013 04:59 Crossfire99 wrote: Crossfire's biggest contribution was "I made skater's role, I know how he survived." ALL that crossfire addresses is that skater has some way of surviving a shot. But we know from his response to zeph that he doesn't actually KNOW skater is town because of the role/usage, just THINKS so, again based on air.Note: I made my last post before I saw this post by Zeph. Ok. I will keep that in mind Zeph, but knowing what his role is and how he has acted and what he has done makes me think he is town. I will look at him again if I need to later, but not now. As for his actual role I will not say if it needs to be activated or not. I will say that unless changes were made to the role (which is possible and says so in the OP), I don't know how BC was roleblocked. There is nothing in there that should convince anyone who wanted to lynch skater for anything other than "BC's shot didn't go off" not to lynch skater. It's not a defense. Nobody, from what I recall, wanted to lynch skater because he survived the shot, which is really all crossfire addresses with substance. And we still don't know what happened - RB? BC lying? skater lying? Nobody lying and something else at work? etc. etc. While it's clear that crossfire thinks skater is town from those posts, it's (1) not clear/substantiated if you remove the role; and (2) he's not even sure about the role --> town, based on his response to zephir. Second, I don't read the pages that follow those posts as people moving votes because crossfire has convinced them that skater is town. Skater has 7 votes at 4:33 TL time. Crossfire makes his posts. First to unvote is Zephir, who voted based on acro's case and skater not trying to scum hunt thinking he'd die - + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 03:32 Zephirdd wrote: Holy shit. Did you really ask that? If you're about to die, we will get information out of you with a confirmed alignment. That means that, if you die, we know that all interactions concerning you - specially scum hunting - have a confirmed mindset behind it. In fact, NOT scumhunting at any point is anti-town. Why did anyone roleblock BC ffs. I'm switching to sk8rboy because I like acros' case and because of the above post. On June 24 2013 05:06 Zephirdd wrote: ok so BC didn't actually claim to be RB'd, just that his shot was refunded. Didn't see that. Ah goddamnit. + Show Spoiler [Macro meme] + ![[image loading]](http://i.qkme.me/3uyjcq.jpg) I still hold my belief that BC is town and that was my main reasoning to call Sk8r mafia. I don't know who to vote for at this point. I'd love to see others who disappeared(acrofales where are you) Dandel, what was the reasoning to lynch s0lstice again? He made a post that I liked concerning austin, altho it could be just pressuring an afk player, or austin could be just fine with whatever is going on. Dandel switches next - + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 05:15 Dandel Ion wrote: So how y'all feeling about switching to snb? Instead of no-lynching, we might as well save us the vig shot. [As an aside, SnB still a solid vig shot] kita pulls his vote off among these posts - + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 04:46 kitaman27 wrote: So are you saying his role was responsible for the BC roleblock? On June 24 2013 05:19 kitaman27 wrote: I'd much rather do s0Lsticec than S&B. For me, s&b is a complete lurker null, compared to s0L where I'm leaning mafia. WoS, if you'll stop at nothing to see him flipped, why are you so quick to conclude that he's not getting lynched? ****#1 TAKEAWAY FROM THIS SO FAR - HOLY BALLS THE LANGUAGE IS CONFUSING. BC WAS NOT BLOCKED BUT HAD A SHOT REFUNDED. CROSSFIRE DOES NOT KNOW HOW BC WAS ROLEBLOCKED, BUT DOES KNOW HOW SKATER SURVIVED. BUT THE REST OF US CAN'T TELL WORTH ANYTHING WHETHER THE WAY IN WHICH CROSSFIRE THINKS SKATER SURVIVED IS ONE THAT WOULD REFUND BC'S BULLET OR NOT. EVERYONE'S INTERPRETATION OF THE VAGARIES OF THESE POSTS MATTERS A BUNCH, BECAUSE WE CAN'T SEE CLEAR REASONS FOR VOTES TO CHANGE IN SOME CASES**** geript unvotes because - + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2013 05:30 geript wrote: /sheep gonzaw Then kurumi is the last to unvote skater, but at no point has seemed to think that skater is town or telling the truth. All that nonsense is to say, acro, that your post is butt. I completely disagree with you saying crossfire "basically singehandedly stopped the lynch on skater." The only person who appears to have been directly swayed by crossfire is kita, and kita didn't even get a fully clear answer to his question of whether skater's role was responsible for BC's refunded bullet, or whether skater's role should have allowed him to survive in a different manner. A bunch of the votes were just...wagon votes because skater never quite got to majority. Two of the unvotes appear to be pure sheeping of something else. Kurumi still thinks skater is scum as far as I can tell. You're assigning a lot of credit to crossfire here, him singlehandedly stopping a lynch, and it doesn't read that way AT ALL. Do you disagree? Do you actually think those votes swapped due to Crossfire's comments about making a role? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Dandel unvotes skater not because of crossfire, but to avoid a no lynch. I didn't vote for sk8er at all. I defended him like all day in case nobody noticed. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On June 25 2013 04:34 Acrofales wrote: Yay. Gonzaw is town. Other than that: I haven't read the giant case, so can't say anything about MZ or WoS. @Xatalos: what was the point of those questions? An exploration in self-analysis? If it is somehow going to help you scumhunt I'll answer, but it seems more postgame oriented than of any use right now. I guess it boils down to this: why were you so, not necessarily wishy-washy, but unnoticeable for the whole of D1? I'll be returning to this later, most likely, but I want to hear your reasoning/explanation now. For future reference. If you happen to be scum, it's nice to have something to "hold" you onto. If you're town, your thought patterns should stay consistent and thus there's nothing to worry about. (Btw you should read that case, it's much better explained than my confusing ramblings. And I'd like your first impression of it as well, please.) | ||
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