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gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 03:29 GMT
#3564
On July 03 2013 12:15 Acrofales wrote:
Eh, then it isn't as useful: it would cause way too many headaches to set something up so the NUMBER of true propositions you get back gives you useful information. Although you can probably set it up so that 5 formulas are enough to be a 100% dt check on 3 players, it'd give me massive headaches and isn't worth it if you can just dayvig someone in the face


Well, that's the point, if you know how to use it and work a little bit to figure out the correct formulas, you could get very potent shit.
You can get up to 6 different answers (0-5 correct propositions), so if you create the correct set of formulas you could reverse engineer that shit to get more shit and shit

I can't really think of any at the moment. I was hoping BC would post the "riddle" in the thread and everybody would think shit together to make the perfect listcheck!
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 04:10 GMT
#3575
On July 03 2013 13:04 austinmcc wrote:
I honestly thought you were bluffing with the big win percentage chance, but now I absolutely see it. I think that if I wasn't still super paranoid about NRA Member (which seriously doesn't do anything against factional KP), I might have gone for it. But as long as we were one on one and couldn't lynch each other, I didn't see a reason not to choose random nights to fire at you. Gonzaw telling me items were one-use was a big help, although...I assume that would have come out at some point during the day, when we started talking percentages.


Before D4 ended I asked deconduo if he allowed scum to just no-NK ad nauseaum in a 1v1 situation like this.
I felt it was kind of....unfair I guess. He said he'd think about it but never answered ;_;

Gonzaw telling me items were one-use was a big help


Oh yeah I forgot I told scum how to win against us and lost because of it, thanks for the reminder
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 04:16 GMT
#3578
On July 03 2013 13:10 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 13:04 austinmcc wrote:
I honestly thought you were bluffing with the big win percentage chance, but now I absolutely see it. I think that if I wasn't still super paranoid about NRA Member (which seriously doesn't do anything against factional KP), I might have gone for it. But as long as we were one on one and couldn't lynch each other, I didn't see a reason not to choose random nights to fire at you. Gonzaw telling me items were one-use was a big help, although...I assume that would have come out at some point during the day, when we started talking percentages.


Before D4 ended I asked deconduo if he allowed scum to just no-NK ad nauseaum in a 1v1 situation like this.
I felt it was kind of....unfair I guess. He said he'd think about it but never answered ;_;


Also, couldn't Xfire technically just NOT use his item on those 27 nights?
So you choose not to shoot on N5, Xfire chooses not to use his item that same night
You choose not to shoot on N6, Xfire chooses not to use his item that same night
...
You choose to shoot on N889, Xfire chooses to use his item on N889, you lose.

I mean...it's technically possible.
But you'd say something like "oh, but then I could just wait another day more!" yeah but games of mafia dont' work like that, at some point the host FORCES you to shoot.

I mean, technically there is nothing that says scum must 100% shoot at night and town must 100% lynch at day. In ANY game of mafia town can NL at day and scum no-NK at night, yet that doesn't happen because someone's gotta give, and the host will make sure of that one way or the other

In those cases it's difficult since there are 2 actors with 2 different actions: town -> lynch, and scum -> NK. But here it's easy, host just forces YOU to shoot, since you are the sole actor (scum -> NK).

...I guess the most fair situation would be this: Host asks Xfire at which cycle he would activate his item, then host asks austin at which cycle he will NK.
If both are the same, it's assumed the game went on and both acted the same night, thus Xfire wins
If both are different, then it's assumed austin shot Xfire when he was not protected, so austin wins.

...if austin can just give a number like N9898120932937109847612039781320918273 then I guess it doesn't matter, but again, host can take it down to a "reasonable" number......I guess

I dunno this shit is confusing lol
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 04:19 GMT
#3580
On July 03 2013 13:14 austinmcc wrote:
Even then, it might have worked. I had planned to force you to target your ability onto crossfire the NRA member, making you kill yourself. That was the only way around it I could think of.


You could force someone to use his ability? wtf lol

Seriously. It didn't actually kill anyone this game, but screw that role. "Oh, you targeted me, you're dead now, and you can also be bussed onto me" is some bullshit once the person looks townie.


You talking about NRA member or your own role?

If you are talking about NRA member then maybe yes it's OP (in this type of game at least). Like I said I threw random abilities in like 10 minutes, I didn't have time to think about balance
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 04:26 GMT
#3582
On July 03 2013 13:23 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 13:19 gonzaw wrote:
On July 03 2013 13:14 austinmcc wrote:
Even then, it might have worked. I had planned to force you to target your ability onto crossfire the NRA member, making you kill yourself. That was the only way around it I could think of.


You could force someone to use his ability? wtf lol

Seriously. It didn't actually kill anyone this game, but screw that role. "Oh, you targeted me, you're dead now, and you can also be bussed onto me" is some bullshit once the person looks townie.


You talking about NRA member or your own role?

If you are talking about NRA member then maybe yes it's OP (in this type of game at least). Like I said I threw random abilities in like 10 minutes, I didn't have time to think about balance

So you spent all your time on the non mafia portion of the role (which was very fun btw), and not the actual mafia portion of the role? lol


Yes



>_>
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 04:29 GMT
#3584
Yeah that felt awesome as well

I had hoped it would have made more of an impact so we could go "FUCK YEAH" afterwards
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 05:29 GMT
#3586
On July 03 2013 12:17 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 12:10 gonzaw wrote:
Also, it's even easier than that.

You could do this if you want:
"austin is scum AND (gonzaw is town OR (NOT gonzaw is town))"
You get the same equivalent formula "austin is scum", no need to say "Acro was alive in D1" or stuff like that.

That's why the same method has to apply to sub-formulas as well

Oh, if you could nest propositions deeper then you could probably set it up so complex that the number could confirm 5 DT checks... but don't ask me how to set it up right now


If you do some truth tables and shit, I think you can come up with a regular ol' DT check list.

Basically, with this check list I made you CAN do the ol' "how many scum are in here?" trick.

Here's how. I'll show it with 3 propositions because doing it with 5 is kind of .... big lol:

Normally you'd have 3 players, A, B and C.
You want the checklist to tell you how many in that group are scum.
So you give the host "A-B-C" and if he tells you 2 there are 2 scum in that group, if he tells you 1 there's only 1 scum there, etc.

Okay, "normally" you would do this with my invention:
1)A is scum
2)B is scum
3)C is scum

The number of true statements is the number of scum in that group, right?
But my ability has the catch you have to use a compound formula, but what about this one?


1)(B is scum AND C is scum) OR (A is scum AND B is town)
2)(A is scum AND B is scum) OR (A is town AND B is scum and C is town) or (A is scum AND B is town AND C is scum)
3)(A is town AND C is scum) OR (A is scum AND B is scum)

You can check you get the same results.
If none of them are true, then A is town, B is town and C is town
If 1 of those is true, then only one of A,B and C is scum
If 2 of those are true, then 2 out of A,B and C are scum
If all are true, all of them are scum.

The best thing is that it follows the rules since neither of those can be "derived" from the other, so it's legal

Just extrapolate it to 5 players and you can get a normal checklist!

But of course it's more fun figuring out other ways to do that stuff

gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-03 05:49:37
July 03 2013 05:47 GMT
#3587
You can't do a 5-way DT check (100% DT check) though because that needs you to have lots of answers from host. You can get only 6 answers now, so you can only do stuff checking for 6 possibilities.
But if you have 2 guys, they have 2 options (town or scum), 2^2=4 so you can 100% DT check those 2 guys with this.

How? Haven't really figured it out, but I think it's possible.
It is hard enough to put atomic propositions like "X is scum", but it is insanely harder to make it using compound formulas...

But I mean, this is an ability that can theoretically give you a 100% DT check on two guys at the same time, AND give you more info (since you have 2 possibilities that remain out of the 6).
If it were easy to use it would be OP

But if you are smart and know your logic/boolean calculations, then YOU make it OP. You can either make a mess and not understand shit, or have a 100% DT check on 2 players and additional info.
If you don't want the 100% DT check, you can have a maybe 50% DT check on 3-4 guys, or have some intricate logical relations between events you want to know about and may use that info for later.

That's what I like about these type of inventions.
They are not weak or OP based on the ability alone, they are weak or OP based on the player that uses it.
Considering this means you should have knowledge in logic and shit, is a tiny fun "experiment" to see if the guy that gets it can unlock its true power!

What I also like about the Phoenix Wright kind of invention...is that it doesn't force you to do anything.
You can either get info on a small domain with 100% certainty, or info on a grand domain with less than 100% certainty, and you are free to choose

For instance, which one of these would you prefer to know is true?:
1)austin is scum
2)austin is scum IFF Xfire is town

Sure, if you get the answer for (1) you get 100% info on austin, and may lynch him without second thoughts. But you get no info on Xfire, so what are you going to do with him?
But if you get the answer for (2) you get info on BOTH of them. Nothing 100% certain, you don't know with certainty if austin is scum or town, or if Xfire is scum or town, but you do know that if Xfire were to be town, austin would be scum, and viceversa.
This allows you to open up your mind to other possibilities in-game, check the interactions between austin and Xfire knowing they are different alignments (basically a parity cop check).

So, it can either be a DT check or applying a parity cop check twice. Isn't that awesome? Not only that, but it can be even more, you don't need to just DT check.

If you asked "austin has extra KP tonight", you may get a very important answer to see what you have to do at night
If you asked "kita is bulletproof", you know whether to shoot him at night or not.

It's the ultimate investigative ability.
This type of shit has to be put into games more often.
It's flexible, it's powerful, but it's not that powerful unless the guy using it is smart, and it's fun.
All 4 properties you want in an ability


Too bad BC didn't use it >_>
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 17:41 GMT
#3614
On July 03 2013 23:58 Xatalos wrote:
Gonzaw, on second thought, can I join you on suicide watch?


You are welcome, there's plenty of room

On July 04 2013 00:41 austinmcc wrote:
Also, as far as roles are concerned, I loved the idea of a choose your own adventure role, almost made one as well, but...I don't think I like how they work in actuality. At least for the other faction, knowing that gonzaw knew crossfire's role, could lead him to all the good choices and none of the mediocre, and could talk in code with crossfire. The choose your adventure role becomes a quasi-mason AND is toughish to balance because instead of having all these choices, crossfire can be told what choices to make each time for the best outcome.


I didn't plan on giving my role receiver ANY info whatsoever.
I mean, if I wanted to do that I would have claimed that shit on D1 and tell my buddy to choose option 2 on N1 (which would get him a DT check)
I didn't tell him what to do until he claimed of course, and then he was almost-confirmed-scum so I started directing his abilities and stuff so if he was scum he wouldn't be OP, and then he was almost-confirmed-town and we were on the verge of losing......yeah I didn't matter about not giving him info by then.

Also got the pms so I'll post the story and shit.
Don't mind the awful writing of course
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 17:46 GMT
#3615
Shit about my role:

Role PM:
+ Show Spoiler +


"You are the Wanderer.
You don't know your name, you don't know your past. You only know your path, the one you've been walking since you have memory
It was a couple of hours ago when you woke up with that terrible headache, and couldn't remember anything at all. You put your hands in your pocket, and found 3 things:

A photo of a little girl: looks like she's ten
Some sort of gun: Doesn't have any bullets
A rubber duck: Seems it's missing its eye

You woke up in a deserted hospital, in a deserted city. Your head felt dizzy, so you took some aspirins, some first aid kit stuff and left the hospital. You decided to search the city, both for supplies....and for clues about your past

Role Info:
You'll be playing a ""story"". Your role is to uncover more of this story so you can get powerful abilities in the long run.
You can use abilities by using the items that come to your possession.
You start with 3 items: The photo, the empty gun and the rubber duck.
You can only use 1 item at night, and once used it disappears.

To gain items, you'll have to play the story.
Every cycle, you'll receive a PM from your host about an ""Event"" in the story
This is a continuation of the story of The Wanderer, and at the end of it you will always be given a choice.
There are always 2 choices to choose (which depend on the story).
However, at certain times, if you have specific items in your possession, you can unlock a hidden 3rd option where you can use said item instead of choosing one of the previous options (using this item will consume it, so you won't be able to use it at night).
Depending which of the 2 (or potentially more) options you choose, the story will change, and as the story changes and continues you can receive new items once the event ends (once you make a choice and PM the host back, he'll PM you the resolution of your choice, and PM you any items you gained).

If you don't send a choice for an event after the cycle is over, then the host will PM the same event again until you do (you won't be able to advance the story nor receive new items, so be sure to answer every choice to every event every cycle if you can)

Try to survive until N3 to experience the ending of the story!
Once the story ends, you won't receive any more events nor items.



Initial Items:

Rubber Duck: After using this item, you can choose 2 targets, and any action done on one of them will be done on the other one, and viceversa
Empty Gun: After using this item, you can RB a player of your choice this night
Photo of girl: After using this item, you can protect yourself from 1 KP this night"""



Event A:
+ Show Spoiler +

Event:
+ Show Spoiler +


You walk through the desolated streets of the big city. You seem to notice people hiding in the shadows of the alleys, seemingly afraid of going into the light. You continue walking, looking at the empty buildings around you. Seems like this city was abandoned some time ago, and only a few people lurk in the darkness within.
You come across a store. It seems it was sacked a lot of times, and there is debris all around the entrance.
You decide to go in to get some supplies. You've been drifted in thought so long you haven't noticed your left arm was numb the whole time, and you can barely even walk.
It seems you were asleep in that hospital bed for quite a while.
You enter the store, and you can still see some fresh items. Seems some people WERE indeed here few time ago. You take some beans and other supplies, and you put them in a bag you found in said store.
You decide to rest a little bit...
...you suddenly wake up and hear a noise, it's quite a noise actually.
You go to the entrance and see a bunch of punks outside breaking more stuff. You count 4 of them.
You pay little notice so you come back inside. However one of them sees you, stops the rest and comes inside.
"Hey, hey you!" he shouts. "Have I met you before?" he says, but you don't say a word.
"Answer me dumbass!" he screams at you.
"I think not, I don't remember much actually" you say.
"I know him Yoz!" one of them says, and whispers something into the ears of the guy that came in first.
"Really? ... yes yes I remember. I wonder how you survived, but you won't survive again you ****ing piece of shit!" Yoz says, and all of them lunge towards you.


What do you do?:

1)Stay and fight
2)Make a run for it



1st Choice Response:
+ Show Spoiler +


You decide to stay and fight them. Yoz throws a punch but you dodge it.
You punch one of his henchmen in the face and he drops down cold. Another henchmen manages to punch you in the gut, taking your breath away.
Yoz gains the upper hand as well and punches you in the face, but you punch back, stunning him.
However, your weak body can't withstand much of the fight, and they outnumber you, so you end up receiving more punches and kicks than the ones you give.
After minutes, you end up being beaten on the floor. After it's obvious they won the fight, Yoz takes out a gun "Finally I'm going to get my revenge! You destroyed everything I had!" he said
"....well, although I can't say I'm not enjoying my new life, haha!" He looks at the others and they all laugh
He starts raising his gun to shoot you, when a siren is heard.
"Crap, it's them!" Yoz says. Suddenly they all scramble and leave the store in a heartbeat.

You lay down in pain for a few minutes, until you hear lots of steps outside.
"You there, stand up and leave, this store belongs to the WYM now" Someone pokes you with a baton it seems, and you manage to stand up.
"Come on, move it, we don't have all day" He pokes you again. Some soldiers already took your food and started eating them.
"Who...who are you?" You say.
"This dude seems to have taken quite a beating to not know who we are! Haha" Some of them laugh

"This is not funny, move along or we'll let you rot in a cell for the rest of your life" the main figure said
You stay quiet and leave the store. They have started a camp there, lit a fire inside the store and started getting all the supplies inside.

Who were those? Were they the police? It seemed like a strange outfit for them.
But more importantly, why did that Yoz guy want to kill you so bad? "Revenge"? Was it something you did in the past?
You hope you can remember soon, because if you did something bad enough to angry a thug like that then you should remember it as soon as possible, if not more bad things will happen to you.

This is not the world you remember....or at least is not the world you think you would remember, considering you have no memories of your past life.

You decide to hang out in an alley for some time to gain some strength.
You manage to eat some rats to stay alive through the night, and wait for the morning, hopefully your wounds would have healed up by then


<You received no new items>



2nd Choice Response:
+ Show Spoiler +


They outnumber you, so you decide to run. You run to the back of the store and they run after you. After a frantic chase up the stairs of the back of the store, you end up on the roof. You don't have place to run, so you hide behind the water tank. You hear Yoz and his dudes arrive at the rooftop.
What are you going to do?
You hear him calling out for you, and you hear his friends coming closer as well.

"I'll have your life for what you did to me! I'll finally have my revenge!" Yoz said.

But that's when you hear a siren.
"Crap, it's them!" Yoz says. Suddenly they all scramble go down the stairs. You see them going off the back of the store and leap some walls to run away.

You stand up and see the other side of the store: You see a lot of what seems to be soldiers, all dressed in white army armor, with a white mask/helmet covering their entire face.
Before you come down the stairs though, you see a police badge on the floor of the rooftop. "How would this get here?".
"Might be of some use later", you put it in your pocket. After that you come down the stairs to see what those soldiers want.
As soon as you come down, what appears to be the main commander of the group of soldiers turns to you

"You there, hurry up and leave, this store belongs to the WYM now" You stop and stare at him.
"Come on, move it, we don't have all day" He tells you again. Some soldiers already took your food and started eating them.

"Who are you? Are you the police?" you say.
"What have you been smoking? How do you not know who we are? haha" some of them laugh
"This is not funny, move along or we'll let you rot in a cell for the rest of your life" the main figure said.
You stay quiet and leave the store.
You notice they aren't wearing any badges like the on you encountered before. Maybe they aren't the police at all.

They have started a camp there, lit a fire inside the store and started getting all the supplies inside.
Who were those? Were they the police? It seemed like a strange outfit for them, specially since they didn't have any badges.
But more importantly, why did that Yoz guy want to kill you so bad? "Revenge"? Was it something you did in the past?

You hope you can remember soon, because if you did something bad enough to angry a thug like that then you should remember it as soon as possible, if not more bad things will happen to you.
This is not the world you remember....or at least is not the world you think you would remember, considering you have no memories of your past life.

You decide to hang out in an alley for some time to gain some strength. You manage to eat some rats to stay alive through the night, and wait for the morning.


<You have received: A Police Badge>

Police Badge: After using this item, you can check the alignment of one player of your choice. You'll receive back TOWN or NOT TOWN




Event B:
+ Show Spoiler +

Event:
+ Show Spoiler +


After gaining your strengths, you decide to continue your journey.
You come across a bar, and decide to see if there's any supplies in.
You knock on the door of the bar, and a female voice answers "Who is this?"
"I just want some food and shelter for a while please"
"Are you WYM?" She says. "Who? I'm not a WYM whatever that means" you tell her. "Good good, come in then" she opens the door.

"Hi, my name is Lina" she says. She's a young woman with brown hair, although has quite dirt on her clothes and hair.
"Hi, sorry but I can't remember my name, I just woke up from the hospital yesterday" you tell her.
"Oh poor you! Do you remember anything else?" she asks. "No, nothing" you tell her.
She gets you a drink and some food, and you tell her about what happened in the store back then.
"It seems you had a close encounter with Yoz's gang then, how did you escape?"
"Some guys in white armor came and scared them away. I thought they were police or something, but they didn't seem like it" you said

"Oh, those were the WYM" she said. "They stand for White Youth Movement, and they rule the place, and basically all places"
"They think themselves as revolutionaries and saviors, but they are as bad, if not worse, than the previous people in charge" she said, and then sighed.
"So they weren't in charge all the time?" You asked.
"No, there was a general government before. This was like 2-3 years ago, I was 16 then"

"Before there was this war between the government and these rebels. They were lead by a guy called Stein, who is their leader".
"At some point, the rebels won, then called themselves WYM and started destroying everything in their path". She points outside
"This city is like this because of them. The whole country is in a similar state as well. When they first arrive to a city, they sack every store, they take every family that resists away and they are never seen again, they destroy buildings with RPGs and granades just to have fun"...she paused... "it's horrible"

She starts sobbing "I lost my dad when they first attacked this city 2 years ago, I remember it as clear as day". "I ....I'm sorry..." that's the only thing you could say.
"Thanks. Well, we learnt to live now, we stay clear of the streets at day to not cross paths with them, and try to live with whatever we can" she said.

After a long pause, you dared ask her "Do you know anything about that hospital I was in? Or anything that I might need to know to figure out what happened to me?"
She stopped to think for a second "Well, that hospital was up and running until a few days ago. Over the last year most doctors left to try their luck in another city. Only a couple of nurses were left, I assume those were the ones that were healing you"
She continued "But there was a bombing 2 days ago there and everybody left for good....Thank god we have good Ol' Frank around the corner to heal our wounds and treat us, if not we would all die from diseases now that the hospital is out".

"Thanks, I guess I can't find any info there then"...
..after a little silence she said "Wait, you could go to the Central Station and find anything out".
"It's a WYM station, and I doubt they can tell you much, but my friend Roshi there can tell you more about what happened to you..." she said
"Really? How could he know what happened to me?" you responded in return
"Well...it seems you were in a pretty bad fight to be put into that hospital, you even have scars of bullets all over your body!" She pointed at your chest, you haven't really noticed those scars before.
"If there was a big fight any time soon, he should know about it, he knows all the underground and shady stuff. Just tell him Lina sent you".

"I'm very grateful, Lina. Thank you for your service, and don't worry I'll come back once I figure out some things, I'm sure I can help you out in your situation" you told her
"Nah, don't worry, it was my pleasure!" ..."wait, before you go..." she said, leapt out of her chair and went behind the bar, she seemed to be looking for something.
"It's quite dangerous out there....one of these might help you survive longer out there.....hmm, where is it" she kept throwing stuff around, until she finally came out from beneath the bar, with 2 items on her hands.
"You might need this to protect yourself, take one. I might need the other one to protect myself so you can't take both!"
In the table, there was something that seemed like a tazer of sorts, and a baseball bat
"Thank you Lina, this will be great help"


What do you do?

1)Pick the Baseball Bat
2)Pick the Tazer



1st Choice Response:
+ Show Spoiler +


"Nice! That will surely keep the bad guys out of your reach!" Lina took the tazer and put it back under the bar.
"Well, thank you for everything Nina, I'll see you soon" you said.

"Same, it's rare to find good people around these places anymore, bye! I hope you find what you are looking for!" She said from behind the counter, as you left via the front door.

Armed with a baseball bat, now Yoz and his gang will not have it easy now

[If player chose (1) on A][ It'll be time for "your" revenge on him, after that beating you took, there's no doubt about it]
[If player chose (2) on A][ They got away back at the rooftop, but you know you'll see them again, and this seems enough to hold them back.]

You continued walking down the road. After a while, you encounter a great building in front of you. It spans a whole block, and is pretty high.
It seems this is the Central Station Lina was talking about.


<You have received: A Baseball Bat>

Baseball Bat: After using this item, you can hit a player of your choice. That player will die after the NEXT night cycle ends.



2nd Choice Response:
+ Show Spoiler +


Nice! That will surely shock anybody trying to get near you!" Lina took the baseball bat and put it back under the bar.
"Well, thank you for everything Nina, I'll see you soon" you said.
"Same, it's rare to find good people around these places anymore, bye! I hope you find what you are looking for!" She said from behind the counter, as you left via the front door.

Armed with the tazer, now Yoz and his gang will not have it easy now

You continued walking down the road. After a while, you encounter a great building in front of you. It spans a whole block, and is pretty high.
It seems this is the Central Station Lina was talking about.


<You have received: A Tazer>
Tazer: After using this item, if anybody visits you that night, they will die (his action on you will still go through though)




Event C:
+ Show Spoiler +

Event:
+ Show Spoiler +


You see a couple of those white soldiers guarding the door. As you cross the door you can see them turning their heads to see you.
Maybe they recognize you? But you don't remember seeing them back in the store (those guys must still be there).

The hall is huge, and there is a single long white desk going all across the hall from left to right. There are lots of receptionists, all dressed, in white, all along it.

You go to one of them. "Excuse me..." you say.
"Yes..?" the receptionists says, with a grumpy face. She clearly doesn't want to be your friend.
"Hi, I'd like to know if I could get a record of what happened at that hospital down the road..."
Before you could finish the sentence she shouted "No queries with no authorization!" then she slammed her hand on the desk.
"Consult with your Mediator for authorization for that kind of information sir! If you don't have a Mediator we can initiate the process of assigning one to you, you'll have to come here back in 1 month, and deposit 10000 yules and wait for further instructions..."
"...pardon me, but what is a mediator...and what are yules?" you ask her, not knowing any of that stuff.
"Yules is the new national currency. It was created by the WYM after they overthrew the corrupt government 2 years ago, and has lead to the most stable economy in the world. A Mediator is the WYM representative that is assigned to every involved citizen, to make sure they follow the correct procedures and have the proper authorization...and have the proper coin to get their permits and processes and..."
You interrupted her before she could finish "I understand, thank you for your help".

You left the table. Clearly you wouldn't get any answers here.
You went back outside; the same guards guarding the door. This time you tried going around the block, seeing if you could find any alley where you could find this "Roshi".

You went around the block for minutes (it's just that big), until you encounter a little crevice by the side.
You squeeze into it, and manage to get into a dark room, lit by some torches on the sides.
"Hold on, who are you and what do you want?" You hear a voice coming from the dark.
"I'm looking for Roshi, Lina sent me" you respond back...
...you don't hear anything for a while, and then you hear a door open.
"If Lina sent you then you must be cool. Come on in! My name is Robert Shinodi, they call me 'Roshi' for short..." a black man with a white mohawk appeared in the threshold of the door. Beyond the door you could see a very lit room.

You stepped in, you could see some high people sitting in some couches inside.
"Tell me, so why did Lina sent you here?" he said
"I need to find out what happened to me. I was in an accident or big fight some time ago it seems, and I woke up a couple of days ago, but I can't remember anything" you told him.
"Hmm, where you by any chance at that hospital down the road?" he asked. "Yes, yes I was!" you responded back.
"Well, I have bad news for you then..." he sat down on a couch before continuing.
"It seems to me you were in the Big Massacre of '73", he paused, "2 years ago there was a fight between the big mafia family, and some other minor mafia scum I think, and they basically obliterated each other. Only very few survived, and it seems you were one of them.
After that happened the WYM took their chance and raided the place, executing any mafia member left alive".

"I....was in the mafia?"
"Apparently. Why? Does that surprise you?" he said
"Well..yeah. Can you tell me more about them?"
"Yes. They were lead by the big Boss Borini. Lucas Borini. He was the head of the mafia family. He controlled everything in the city, no cop could ever even come near him."

He continued "They controlled all the organized crime in the city, controlled all the drug deals going on, and all the attacks to gangs and families of other cities".
"He was pretty powerful, until one day he died in that fight. The only known survivors were a group of his men who escaped. They are dirty thugs now destroying everything they see. Their leader is called Yoz".
"Yoz? I met that guy back in a store down the road, he seemed to recognize me and wanted me dead. You say he was part of this mafia as well?" you said
"Yes, he was Borini's right hand. Seems you did something back then when you were part of the family to piss him off, ya?" He said.

"I need to find Yoz, I need to get some answers from him no matter what it gets" you said. Yoz is the only link to your past life you had.
"That won't be hard, I'm sure he's looking for you already. The WYM are also on his back, ever since 2 years ago they've wanted to get rid of him" Roshi said.

....you suddenly felt a chill down your body. There was something weird in the air, like a weird smell, or maybe it was cold. Your mind couldn't really determine what it made you feel that way, nor it had the time, because in the split of an eye you heard a shot, and then you saw Roshi's head fall to the side, and then Roshi felt to the ground.....he was shot in the head.

Chaos followed, with all the other people in the room running for their lives. That was when you saw Yoz coming from behind a corner
"So you were in coma this whole time? Huh, then too bad you'll live so shortly after waking up. I'll make you pay for your treason" Yoz said.
"Wait! I need to know what happened! What happened in the Big Massacre?...wait, "treason"? I didn't betray anybody!" you responded
"You betrayed the boss, and you betrayed me. You were an undercover agent tasked with joining our ranks, and destroying the family from within.
You killed the boss!" he said, before shooting you in the arm. It hurt...it hurt really bad.

You can't believe everything he's saying. You just found out you were a mafia, and now you find out you were an undercover cop as well?
Surely this can't be true...however, it's not time to ponder, you have to escape, you can't fight Yoz while he has a gun.

You start running down the corridors of this weird place, while Yoz is on your back.
The place seems to have turns and turns and corners and corners, which dont' seem to stop. You hear Yoz franticly very close behind you.
You also hear other shots, most likely Yoz's men wrecking havok in the original hall you were in.

After running and running, you see a light. You go through a threshold, and you appear right back at the big hall of the Central Station.
You even see the same receptionists and everything. You have little time to think, because Yoz shortly emerges from the door
"Die for ****'s sake" he starts shooting you.
You duck, but he hits a receptionists. The WYM soldiers come in and start shooting at Yoz, who takes cover behind the long desk.
You take a run for it and enter an office to the side. You lock it behind you.
You hear shots outside, Yoz and WYM are fighting each other.

You notice a window in the office, you could use it to momentarily escape, it's dangerous out there in the hall.
However you need some answers from Yoz! You can't just leave like that!


What do you do?

1)Escape through the window
2)Go out to the hall
[If Player has the Empty Gun]
3)Use Empty Gun



1st Choice Response:
+ Show Spoiler +


You can't risk your life like this. You escape through the window.
You hear more gunshots, but soon they fade. Then you see Yoz in the roof, and you see him leap over to another roof across the street.
The WYM are unable to catch him, and he soon escapes.

The WYM soldiers take a look at you,, then start talking to their radios and listening to something on them. After that they turn around and walk away. You'd think they would try to arrest you or something, considering your previous encounter at the store...this is weird.

You just can't believe everything that has happened. You were an undercover agent in the mafia! However, you need to find more answers, you need to find Yoz and confront him.
You start walking down the road, when you go pass a school. The school is basically crumbling, it could be reduced to rubble in any second.
However, while you get past it you get a flashback: You remember children and teenagers talking, gossiping, giggling, playing, right outside that school.

You suddenly regain your composure....this place must have been important for you in the past, you must investigate it further
You go into the decaying school


<You have received no new items>



2nd Choice Response:
+ Show Spoiler +


You open the door, start screaming off the top of your lungs, and lunge at the desk.
Yoz hears you and starts opening fire at you, but you manage to tackle him.
Both of you start struggling and fighting, all the while the WYM are across the hall firing back.

You manage to punch Yoz in the face and kick the gun off to a side.
"I didn't betray anyone! Tell me exactly what happened! you yelled at him
"I'll tell you anything you want to know...over your grave!" he yelled back.

You and Yoz kept struggling, and both of you keep punching each other off.
Suddenly, both of you break off, Yoz takes his gun and points it at you, and pulls the trigger....*click* empty.
Puzzled, Yoz puts the gun to his face, then screams in anger and runs away.
You chase him, first across another big hall, then up some stairs. Yoz then goes inside a utility door, and you follow through.
He starts climbing up a ladder and you follow, he opens a door and you both arrive at the rooftop of the Central Station.

"You have nowhere to run Yoz" you say
"I have more tricks up my sleeve, you scumbag!" he says
"I'm going to get more answers out of you, even if I have to beat them out of your skull" you scream back at him.
"I want to see you try! The boss was very pleased with you. You always finished all the drug deals, you sent "messages" to people without hesitation. But I knew something was wrong the MOMENT I saw you. AND I WAS RIGHT. You were an undercover cop or agent or whatever, and you came and killed the boss.
I almost got to kill you, but those damned couldn't let me finish you!" he finished

"What are you talking about?" you said
"Nothing, we'll meet again" he said, then he run off the rooftop, leapt off the side and landed on the roof of a building on the other side of the road.

After a few moments the WYM soldiers arrived. They went to the ledge of the roof, but couldn't jump to the other roof to pursue Yoz.
After that they took a look at you, and then they started talking to the radio.
"Anything wrong...?" you asked. They didn't answer, and kept talking.
After they finished talking, they approached you "Take this to heal your wounds, now be gone!".

They handed you a first aid kit, then turned around and left.
"This is so strange..." you thought to yourself. Why would they let you go just like that? And on top of that give you aid? Something's wrong.

You go down the stairs, to the main hall, and exit the building
You just can't believe everything that has happened. You were an undercover agent in the mafia! However, you need to find more answers, you need to find Yoz and confront him again.

You start walking down the road, when you go pass a school. The school is basically crumbling, it could be reduced to rubble in any second.
However, while you get past it you get a flashback: You remember children and teenagers talking, gossiping, giggling, playing, right outside that school.

You suddenly regain your composure....this place must have been important for you in the past, you must investigate it further
You go into the decaying school


<You have received: A First Aid Kit>
First Aid Kit: After using this item, you can save a player of your choice from 1 KP



3rd Choice Response:
+ Show Spoiler +


Before opening you door, you check your gun. Empty as always.
However, you decide to check the drawers, just in case. You start checking them as fast as you can. It takes you quite a lot of time, and after opening almost all of them you feel defeated. However you decide to open the last one...and then you find what you were looking for: bullets.
You decide to load the gun with them, but suddenly you hear no more shots....it's silent.

You open the door very closely, and take a peek..Yoz is nowhere to be seen, and neither are the WYM soldiers.
Well, at least you didn't waste the bullets you just found, they may prove useful later.
One receptionist is dead, and the other ones are running away screaming.
Maybe Yoz tried to escape and the WYM chased him.

You decide to go outside the front door. Then you see Yoz in the roof, and you see him leap over to another roof across the street.
The WYM are unable to catch him, and he soon escapes.

The WYM soldiers take a look at you,, then start talking to their radios and listening to something on them. After that they turn around and walk away. You'd think they would try to arrest you or something, considering your previous encounter at the store...this is weird.

You just can't believe everything that has happened. You were an undercover agent in the mafia! However, you need to find more answers, you need to find Yoz and confront him.

You start walking down the road, when you go pass a school. The school is basically crumbling, it could be reduced to rubble in any second.
However, while you get past it you get a flashback: You remember children and teenagers talking, gossiping, giggling, playing, right outside that school.

You suddenly regain your composure....this place must have been important for you in the past, you must investigate it further
You go into the decaying school


<You have received: A Gun>
Gun: After using this item, you can kill a player of your choice (1 KP)




Event D:
+ Show Spoiler +

Event:
+ Show Spoiler +


You entered the school. It seemed so familiar. You can vaguely remember the faces of the students there.
Then you get another flashback: You are in the hall, and there's a teenager there with you. He seems troubled, and you seem to try and confort him.
He then turns his head away and runs away, and you look troubled.
You regain your composure again.....yes....you remember now, you were a teacher in this school, way before.

You enter a classroom, and you see the blackboard with something written on it "..sky, the best".
Seeing those letters, seeing that classroom...now you remember everything.

You were no cop, or undercover spy, you were a teacher at this school. You were Arthur Trotsky, junior high teacher.
You had a normal life, you remember your wife Emily, and your son Titus.
You remember you taught class in this classroom, and you remember your students very well.
You loved your students, and they loved you back, but they came from troubled families, and were pushed into dealing with the mafia.
You knew this, and that's why you tried to help them.
They got into drugs, some were even working for the mafia dealing drugs themselves. But they couldn't help it, and you knew that.

You remember some more...you remember that one day you went to one of the mafia thugs dealing drugs to your students, and asked him for some work.
You wanted to protect your students, you tried infiltrating the mafia so you could stop everything from within so they could be free of the mafia and live a normal life.
How naive of you...

Your life....your family...your wife, your son. You remember where you used to live as well.

You leave the school, and walk home.

After a few minutes, you arrive....it's destroyed, just as everything else.
You wonder, what happened to your family? It's been 2 years, hopefully they've escaped or are safe.

You look around, but you can't find any clues. Everything of worth was already stolen, even the photographs

[If Player has Rubber Duck] [ You go to the bathroom. You take the rubber duck out of your pocket. You remember this as well, this was your son's favourite duck, he always used to use it when taking a bath! ]

You decide to search a little bit more for supplies, or something


What do you do?

1)Search the kitchen
2)Search the bedroom
[If Player has Rubber Duck]
3)User Rubber Duck



1st Choice Response:
+ Show Spoiler +


You search the kitchen, see if you can find any supplies, or any other clues about your past life.
There is nothing in the fridge or in the drawers, not even knives.
However, on the front of the fridge there is a drawing....a drawing your son made.

It has his mommy and his daddy, under a purple house, under the sun.
You try to hold back the tears....what if you never meet him again?

The phone suddenly rings...you pick it up: "Miss me?"
It was Yoz's voice.
"What do you want Yoz!? How do you know this number!? How do you know I was here!!?" you yell at him
"Oh, I have my ways....look, I have your wife and son, if you want to see them again, meet me at the Yard, we have a score to settle.." he said
"YOU BASTARD! Arg, where is this Yard you speak of?" you say
"Don't worry, my man will show you the way... you better hurry" and he hangs up

You look outside the window and see one of Yoz's guys. He must have followed you here, of course.
He points a gun at you, and tells you to go outside. You do, and then he pushes you to start walking down the road...he's taking you to the Yard for a final showdown with Yoz, so you can finally reunite with your wife and son


<You have received: A Drawing >
Drawing: After using this item, you can pardon someone from the lynch the next day



2nd Choice Response:
+ Show Spoiler +


You search the bedroom. You see some old clothes lying around..they are from your wife.
Will you ever see her again? Feel her soft touch upon your cheeks? You feel like you'll never see her again, after all, where could she be?
Where could your son be? They could be anywhere, they could even be de....no, you don't want to think about that, you just remembered about them, you can't just find out they died, they HAVE to be alive somewhere...

You also notice a cellphone over the bed table. It was your wife's as well. You take it.
It may not seem so useful, it has no batteries...but you never know.

The phone suddenly rings...you pick it up: "Miss me?"
It was Yoz's voice.
"What do you want Yoz!? How do you know this number!? How do you know I was here!!?" you yell at him
"Oh, I have my ways....look, I have your wife and son, if you want to see them again, meet me at the Yard, we have a score to settle.." he said
"YOU BASTARD! Arg, where is this Yard you speak of?" you say
"Don't worry, my man will show you the way... you better hurry" and he hangs up

You look outside the window and see one of Yoz's guys. He must have followed you here, of course.
He points a gun at you, and tells you to go outside. You do, and then he pushes you to start walking down the road...he's taking you to the Yard for a final showdown with Yoz, so you can finally reunite with your wife and son


<You have received: A Cellphone >
Cellphone: After using this item, choose 1 player, and you'll be able to communicate with that player for the remainder of the next phase (Day+Night cycle)



3rd Choice Response:
+ Show Spoiler +


You go to the bathroom and put the rubber duck on the bottom of it. Now you start crying, what if you'll never see your son again?
You spend some time alone in that bathroom, waiting, maybe waiting your family will come back, maybe waiting your students will come back as well, and everything will be alright.

After some time...you notice something shiny on the bottom of the bath: a coin.
It may not be useful now in this world...but who knows, maybe it will be useful some time, for somebody else.

The phone suddenly rings...you pick it up: "Miss me?"
It was Yoz's voice.
"What do you want Yoz!? How do you know this number!? How do you know I was here!!?" you yell at him
"Oh, I have my ways....look, I have your wife and son, if you want to see them again, meet me at the Yard, we have a score to settle.." he said
"YOU BASTARD! Arg, where is this Yard you speak of?" you say
"Don't worry, my man will show you the way... you better hurry" and he hangs up

You look outside the window and see one of Yoz's guys. He must have followed you here, of course.
He points a gun at you, and tells you to go outside. You do, and then he pushes you to start walking down the road...he's taking you to the Yard for a final showdown with Yoz, so you can finally reunite with your wife and son


<You have received: A Coin >
Coin: After using this item, you can choose any player of your choice. You'll be able to steal that player's vote for the next day.




Event E:
+ Show Spoiler +

Event:
+ Show Spoiler +


You follow Yoz's man down the road, until you arrive at an old building. "Go inside mate, d' boss is waiting for ya'" he said.
You enter the decrepit building. Every step you make the whole framework croaks, it feels like it could crumble in any second now.

After walking through a small passageway, you enter a huge room. It seems like an old ball room, it has a huge staircase going upstairs, with balconies on the sides. In the balconies above it's full of men...Yoz men.
There's also quite a big checkered floor...and Yoz in the middle of it.

"Where is my family!?" you yell at him. "If you want anything with me let me see my family first!".
"Haha".. he says... "I'm afraid I can't do that Arthur"
"What are you talking about? Explain yourself!" you scream back at him
"Well...you see, I can't show you your family...because your family is already DEAD"

...
Your heart sunks into your chest. You gasp for air, but you can't seem to find any...
....few moments ago you finally remembered your family, you finally realized the beautiful life you had...only for it to be taken away so quickly..
Seconds seem like years, you seem frozen in time, not knowing how to react.

"Wh..why...how...when...." you mumble.
"Yes, I killed them" Yoz said.
"I knew you were and undercover agent, but the boss wouldn't listen. However, I decided to take matters into my own hands and killed your family, as deserved punishment for your treason!" he started laughing.

"You...you monster....i'll kill you" you couldn't contain your rage anymore

"Funny, because that's exactly what you tried to do! You came back to the hideout and started shooting everybody. You shot down most of our guards and went into the big boss' room. You demanded his blood for murdering your family, just like now! ahahah" he kept laughing.

"..." you just kept staring at him with wrath
"The boss took a shot off you, and you stayed down. But then from the floor you shot the boss on the back and he fell dead. Then you took a shot at me but I already started gathering my men and leaving; with the boss down I was on my own and wouldn't risk my life. You were going to die anyways."

"It was afterwards they came. Those damn WYM ruining the party. That was the day they started that revolt of theirs or whatever. They stormed in the hideout and slaughtered everybody that remained.
Luckily me and my men were already out by then, and you and the boss dead, so we left all that behind......but apparently I was wrong about you."

"...I'm going to finish what I should have done 2 years ago, you won't get alive out of this one Yoz" you say, this time in a calm, firm voice.
You know what has to be done.

"Bring it on!" He said

As soon as he finishes, you throw yourself at him, like a lion. He tries to aim with his gun, but before he can pull the trigger you already jump and tackle him.
You throw a punch at him and connect. He throws another one, but you dodge it. You start pouncing at him with all your might.
He seems surprised at your newly found strength, and is overwhelmed by it.
One of his men come down the stairs and grabs you from behind. Yoz calmly stands up, then punches you in the gut

"Looks like you can put up a fight huh? Haha" he laughs, while his men are holding you back

[If Player has the Photo][
In between the struggle, it seems you dropped the photo of that little girl you had with you.

"Hmm, let's see what we have here" Yoz said, and picked up the photo
"Haha, I can't believe you still have this!" he said.
"Wanna know a little fun story? Well, fun for me, you may not like it" he continued.
"There was this kid I think you knew, who was with us. He was one of the guards of the boss.
When you came in guns blazing, you didn't notice him and shot him dead, so so dead!" he started laughing again

"You had to look at yourself after shooting that poor kid! The look of your face! You just shot your student or whatever! haha".

You then remember. You remember the flashback you had at the school with that student, that kid. He was the one you wanted to protect all along, the one that made you "join" the mafia in the first place.
But you were in a frenzy, your wife and infant son were murdered, and everybody that was with them was the enemy.
You didn't notice him, you just noticed a mafia guard with a gun, so you took the shot.
After the shot you noticed it was your student.
After killing him, you went and looked into his pocket, and found that photo...a photo of his sister.

In that moment of heat, in that split second you had to analyse what had happened, you bowed to take that girl as your own daughter, it would be the least you could do after the atrocity you did...

...but then you were shot, and left for dead and you were in a coma for 2 years. What could be of that girl in these 2 years?
Anything could have happened to her, but she had no brother, you robbed her from that...
...you think maybe you deserve what happened to you, but....no....Yoz and Borini the Mafia boss are to blame.
They coerced your students into taking the thug life, they murdered your family, they put your student in that uniform with that gun...

...most of them already paid with their lives, but there is one more.
No matter how much you blame yourself, you can't rest easy until Yoz is finally put where he belongs...

"No words, huh? Oh well, not like you are going to need them soon or anything, haha" Yoz said
]

But before Yoz could say anything else, you see a grenade rolling to Yoz's side, then you hear a big explosion.
Debris starts flying everywhere, and Yoz and his men fall to the floor.
You hear that siren you heard before....the WYM.
What a coincidence, it wasn't a long time ago the WYM rescued you from a similar situation back in the store.

You hear shots flying everywhere, and screams of Yoz men. You roll to the side and hide behind a little fountain.
Yoz is stumbling over his feet and is trying to get on top of the stairs, still hurt from that grenade.

After a few moments, the coast is clear, this is your chance


What do you do?

1)Follow him stealthily to where he's going and confront him later
2)Quickly get to him and confront him right now
[If Player has the Gun]
3)Use Gun



1st Choice Response:
+ Show Spoiler +


You decide to play it safe. There are bullets flying everywhere right now, it wouldn't be wise to confront him in the main ball room. You crouch and silently follow him up the stairs. He starts tumbling from side to side

He keeps going through a hallway, and into room. You follow him in, and you arrive outside, where Yoz is trying to get into a car.
Right then you start running towards him. You won't be merciful now, you want him dead, and will try to do so as quick as possible.
You tackle him again, but this time you go to his gun. Yoz is still stunned by the previous explosions and he can barely fight.
You have nothing to lose right now, your past is gone, your family is dead, you are only fuelled by revenge, and that alone gives you enough strength to keep fighting. You 2 keep struggling until you subdue Yoz and take his gun.
You quickly get on your feet and point the gun at him.
Your eyes are wide open, your mouth open gasping for air, your chest beating rapidly, you can barely focus.
You hear Yoz say something to you. You faintly hear something along the lines of "...you will not find..." and "..they won't come back, you know ..." and you hear him laughing.

There's nothing else to do, no speech to give, nothing else to listen to....you pull the trigger, and Yoz falls to the ground.

With the WYM wiping the rest of Yoz men inside the Yard, you take the car keys from Yoz's corpse, get into the car, and drive...and drive...
You get out of the city, hoping to never set foot on it again.

You may never recover from this....but it seems this was your fate.
You are the Wanderer, cursed to wander, cursed to forget, now cursed to remember.
You'll carry that curse as your own skin, because it's what you are now, it's what you've become.

ENDING A. The Path of the Wanderer


<You have received: A Car >
Car: After receiving this item, you can hide behind another player, so if any actions are directed at you, they are instead directed that that player.



2nd Choice Response:
+ Show Spoiler +


You have no time to lose, you run towards Yoz as soon as you can.
Before he gets halfway through the stairs, you tackle him down again. Both of you start rolling down the stairs.
Yoz can barely stay up, and that's when you punch him, and keep punching him, and keep punching him.
You are momentarily deaf from the ongoing explosions and battle, and in your rage your vision faults you
The only thing you can feel is the pain of your fists...the pain and the wetness.

After a couple of seconds, you suddenly stop. Yoz's head is a bloody pulp in the floor. You look around, there's no more whistling...
All of Yoz's men are dead, and the WYM soldiers are standing right beside you.

After a little while, you hear steps coming over to you. You look up, and see a tall imposing figure..
"Good job lad, we couldn't have tracked Yoz without you" the man said. "My name is Christian Stein. But maybe you know me for being the leader of the WYM." He said and extended his hand over to you to pick you up.
You took his hand and stood up, but you could barely speak any words "Good job to you too for saving me before"
"No problem! Ha" he laughed.
"For your actions you deserve a reward. Here have this" he said, and he took something out of his back.
It was a pile of cash, and a ticket to the local casino.. "You deserve some rest, have some fun!"
He started to walk away from you, but suddenly he stopped in his tracks and asked you "Hey, you didn't seem to recognize me, did you?"
"No, this is the first time I meet you" you respond back
"Oh, haha!" he laughed. "I'm not used to people NOT knowing me around this town!. Stay safe, and be sure to not get into trouble." he added

"I'll have a personal guard of WYM guards near you at all times, I don't want anything bad to happen to you!" after adding that, he kept walking and left the room.
"Thanks..I guess?" you said, not knowing how else to react.

Some of his men escorted you out of the building into their jeep. Soon you arrived at the casino, and they escorted you to your room.
You took a nice long shower, went downstairs to eat some snacks, and played some roulette. You certainly felt lighter, and better.
You take a look at the front door of the casino, and the WYM guards start looking at you with what seems disgust, and also had a playful look on them.
You pay little notice, as you pour down another drink and keep playing.

You won't be able to have a normal life, but at least you can drown your sorrows and spend the rest of your remaining miserable life in bliss, and maybe...just maybe, you might find solace in this bleak world.

ENDING B. The Path of Submission


<You have received: A Casino Ticket >
Casino Ticket: After using this item, you can buy the next day's lynch. The next Day cycle, you can PM the host and the lynch will be on a player of your choice.



3rd Choice Response:
+ Show Spoiler +


You remember you have the fully loaded gun from before.
You take it out of your pocket, aim and yell "YOZ!!". Yoz turns around, and as soon as you pull the trigger he ducks, and keeps running up the stairs. You calmly walk up the stairs, but Yoz manages to go through a door, you follow him.

You are outdoors. You end up in a sort of parking lot or garage, and there's a car in the middle of it.
You aim at Yoz again and tell him "Don't move a muscle". Yoz freezes. You slowly move towards him, with the whole intent of killing him.

"Wait...wait...before you kill me, don't you want to know what really happened?" he says
"You already told me everything I need to know, I don't need you alive any longer" you tighten your grip.
"You do sound like them, haha!" he laughs. "I know now why they chose you as undercover agent to infiltrate our family" he said.
"You keep repeating I'm an undercover agent, but you are wrong" you said. "I'm just a teacher who wanted to protect his students and his family..
...but ultimately failed. I'm no cop and I don't know what you are talking about" you say
"You forgot about that too? Haha you moron" he kept laughing.

He continued "You WERE an undercover agent, and undercover agent for those ****ers of the WYM". You were surprised to hear that "What..?"
"I didn't figure it out until it was too late though. I knew you were suspicious, but after you left to your then dead family, it dawned on me you were with them." he said.

You still have a shock in your face
"So you are telling me you think those pretty white boys out there are helping you just because they are good people? NO, they are helping you because you are STILL their undercover agent, and your mission is to kill me...you just had forgotten about it, haha!" he laughs.

"So...so that's why they let me go back in the Central Station? They thought I was still doing my mission?" you added
"But I don't remember anything of that, and I DO remember joining the mob to help my students! The WYM had nothing to do with it!" you shout
"Then your memories are betraying you". He said.

"...none of this matters, you murdered my family, and I'll avenge them" you tighten your grip.
"This is just too funny!" he said. "I didn't murder your family you dumb fuck".
"What?" you were even more confused than before
"I lied before" he said. "I lied, to make you angry and desperate, to make you suffer, to make you hate me even more!" he added.
"You are lying right now, I remember everything" you said.
"Well no you don't you piece of shit, we just established that earlier".

He continued "I don't know who killed your family and I don't care. You are such a stupid fuck you believed it was us that did so, and that stupid mistake costed me of my home and family. Not that I'm not enjoying this though, but I had more coke and bitches back then!"

You lower your gun, you seem to believe the words he's saying. "So who killed my family then?".

But before he could say anything, you heard a monstrous noise, just before Yoz got riddled with bullets all over his body.
"I did" you heard from behind.

You turn around and see a tall and imposing figure. He's carrying a minigun, one he just used to riddle Yoz with bullets.
"You...who are you?" you ask in shock
"I am Christian Stein, leader of the WYM" he said, not leaving his combat stance at all and pointing the minigun at you.

"What he said is true, you did work for us" he continues.
"2 years ago we were desperately trying to find a reason to rise in arms against the government, but not be persecutted by the masses in doing so. We later learned, from our hidden spies inside the mafia family, of you rising to power.
Ha! Who would have thought a slim ol' teacher could do something like that?" he laughed.

"So we contacted you, we told you we wanted some dirt on the mafia so we could bring them to justice legally, we told you we wanted you to give us inside-info on all their shady business. And you bought all of it"

He continued "We forced you into taking high-risk mafia jobs, and even ones you were against, like deliberately dealing drugs to children and even committing murder. You refused to do those, but you had to do them to gain more of the family's trust.
After a long list of failed missions and you failing to follow our orders, I got fed up and ordered your family dead". He stopped

You just couldn't believe it...this man, the one that seemingly had the WYM help you all along your journey, was the one that murdered your family, and you mistakenly thought it was the mafia that did it, and mistakenly murdered most of them!

He then added "We figured out we had enough dirt on the mafia, so we got rid of you and made our move..."
..you interrupt him "but why would you need dirt on the mafia if your fight was against the government?"
"Well my boy, because the mafia were receiving funds and dirty money from the government. The government used the mafia to control the whole city, to control it with fear. They staged police runs against them just for appearances, they were all content in their little scheme to rule over everything in this city.
But after some info you got on the mafia, we were able to convince the masses of the government's evil deeds, which made it quite easy for us to gain support in taking over the city!"

He continued "We marched that day down to the mafia hideout to wipe them out, only to find out you've done most of our job for us! Haha such irony"

You then have another flashback. You remember being on the floor in the mafia hideout, still breathing. You hear the mafia boss groaning in the ground where you shot him, but he gets up, ignores you and decides to run outside.
You then hear him pleading for his life, and a couple of shots.You then hear a body fall to the ground.

You then remember a tall figure coming into the room....it was Stein.
He was grinning, he couldn't believe what was happening. "I can't believe this boy! You did this!? Ahahah" he laughed as hard as he could, and you couldn't believe what was happening.
"Let me give you a final reward boy, for your services!" he said, he raised his gun, and you saw a flash....you don't remember anything anymore.

"Yes, I was the one that shot you, couldn't really have you alive and telling secrets out there could I?" He continued.

"I was quite surprised when I heard you were still alive, but apparently so was Yoz, and he seemed to have taken a like for you this past few days.
I let my WYM guards let you go so you could lead us to Yoz, and lo and behold, you did! Another great job!" he then starts clapping.

He continued "I heard about you losing your memory, and I couldn't believe it either! I decided to even let you live if you survived this ordeal, under heavy surveillance of my men of course.
Too bad you found out the truth, because now I have to kill you..." he starts pulling the trigger of his minigun, which starts spinning.

You jump to the side and hide behind the car, and you hear all the bullets penetrating the other side of it. The only way you can beat him is to run around him, he will have little speed to turn around with that thing.
You wait for the perfect opportunity.....and then you hear the minigun's cylinders slow down. You then start running to the side of the car and keep running.
Stein starts shooting you again, but can't keep up with your speed while he turns around.
After you run almost behind of him, you do a flip, land, take your gun and shoot...

Everything is silent for a while, you can only hear the minigun's cylinders slowing down again. You then hear Stein cough, and he coughs blood.
Then in the split of an eye, the giant falls to the ground, defeated.

You go down towards him, and point the gun at his face "You made me realize something Stein"
You continued "I made a lot of mistakes, I was manipulated by everybody, I had everything important in my life stolen from me, and then have it been rubbed in my face by the likes of you....
....but I know now this is not my fault. If men like you are still alive, then other men, other good men, women and children will suffer the same fate my family did, the same fate I did.
By getting rid of you and Yoz, I'm making the world a better place...and now this barren world is the only thing I have left"

You kept talking "After you die the WYM will surely disbandle. But even if someone takes charge, if he's a same man as you, I'll find him.
I'll find him, and the next one, until I know I can at least prevent what happened to me and my family, and my students, and the people I loved from happening to them..." ...

Before taking the shot, you see him grin, but before he can say anything you shoot him in the face....once...twice....three...countless times.
You hear the WYM soldiers back inside wondering what's happening, so without wasting time you search Yoz's body for keys.
You find some car keys, you hop in the car and leave.

As you are driving you remember Lina back at the bar. She didn't know you, but she gave you shelter, gave you food, gave you warmth, and gave you weapons to defend yourself.
She doesn't deserve to live in a place like this, run by men like Stein.
Even if your past is bleak and full of pain and sorrow, you can only look to the future now, to Lina's future, to every good man and woman's future.

You have no life of your own now, but you can at least give them a life to live.
This is your path now, and you embrace it. Not because it was fallen on to you, but because you chose to follow it...

ENDING C. The Path of Redemption


<You have received: A Minigun >
Minigun: You can only use this item at the Day phase. Once used, you can use 1 KP on the target of your choice as a day-vig.
This item has 2 shots before being consumed.







gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 18:15 GMT
#3618
Well austin, you forget he has to be alive by N3, and can only use it that N3 (I thought he could only use it at N4 since I thought he would get the item the NEXT phase).
Also it's one shot

Hmm...although I had it thought with more players in mind lol. I thought that by N3 there would be like 10-13 players alive, so he using them right there wouldn't be that OP; but if he kept them for longer he could get shot/lynched

Also, if Xfire was scum, wouldn't it be Bullshit Anti-Town Voltron?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 18:18 GMT
#3619
Also, I had already run out of "normal" abilities when I started writing those endings, and they were THE endings so they needed something powerful than the other abilities..
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 18:36 GMT
#3622
Well....yeah I didn't take into account me KNOWING about it into the game.
Like...I did, but I just said "okay I'll try to ignore the role". Obviously it wouldn't really work and didn't work like that, but well I tried

This works better if the role was given by the host in a non-PTP game. Nobody other than the hosts then knows about it.
So yeah, if it's used in another themed game it might fare better *WINK* *WINK* HOSTS *WINK* *WINK*

Anyways, ONE role had to make things difficult for you guys, if not where's the fun? >_> (except BC's DT check)
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 18:37 GMT
#3623
I don't get how the OP specifically said "NO RESURRECTION ROLES"....and then like 4 different people made resurrection roles and the hosts allowed them lol
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 18:42 GMT
#3625
lol I'm almost at the 4K mark.

I almost made 1000 posts in this game alone lolololololol

DAMN YOU AUSTIN/HOSTS FOR KILLING ME BEFORE THE 40 PAGE MARK!

;_;
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 18:57 GMT
#3632
I had no troubles with the PTP aspect of the game. I mean, I didn't really cry at night because of kita's day vig, geript's MK, the TARDIS fucking us up, etc.
Actually yes...the worst problem a PTP game can have is non-existance.......sk8 I'm looking at you

CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY SOMEONE LIED ABOUT MY ROLE SOMEHOW I STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON

Sk8 said he made me veteran lookout who can track people that make visits at night or some shit. That didn't sound so bad (although it being passive is kind of a drag, the most fun PTP roles are interactive).
Then hosts said they didn't change roles at all basically, other than little tweeks
....yet I got fucking vengeful-spirit townie-killer

wtf, who is lying?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 18:59 GMT
#3633
On July 04 2013 03:54 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 00:41 austinmcc wrote:
On July 03 2013 09:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Austins power was so fucking pro town that he blended in so well with terrible townies -_-
I ended up hating the first part of my role. Every time I've made a PTP role, I'm thinking of something fun from a town side of things, not really one that's great for everyone.

I figured someone would get the role, send out messages, give away something pro-town (with the option for roleblocker if mafia got it), and then over the course of 2-3 days amass a bunch of info about who chose what, be able to release it and maybe do something good.

In mafia's hands, especially with only 3 of us and getting outed early, it was "Force yourself to give town powers." I send out PMs, have to claim the PMs eventually, and then it becomes horribly obvious that I've been gifting powers to mafia if I ever do. I can't even fake anything, because I'd have to fakeclaim both a fake target of my role-gifting AND lie about someone choosing that person AND have that person on the list anyway, because the second person-chooser would know if they weren't.

I could have maybe given us a vig somewhere, but it would have come out later. Stupid role just couldn't be NOT pro town, the best I could do was give vet or hope people mediced the targets I thought they would.



Also, as far as roles are concerned, I loved the idea of a choose your own adventure role, almost made one as well, but...I don't think I like how they work in actuality. At least for the other faction, knowing that gonzaw knew crossfire's role, could lead him to all the good choices and none of the mediocre, and could talk in code with crossfire. The choose your adventure role becomes a quasi-mason AND is toughish to balance because instead of having all these choices, crossfire can be told what choices to make each time for the best outcome.



Tip for next time: don't make a role that only works for scum


FTFY
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 19:21 GMT
#3636
I don't think its fair to create roles after alignments are sent

If not scum would give every townie a shitty role like the one I had for instance, and would give each other the most anti-town OP role ever. That's not fun, the most fun of PTP are the weird insanely awesome roles.
If this happens the role creation will be mechanized to make strategic plans and shit, and it will lose its magic

If you really feel like it's unfair or too "swingy", then some general guidelines could be made.

Like, the hosts can give some "rules" every role should have, like: "If you want to give the role day KP, include an optional night KP one as well. Once all roles are created, if more than 4 roles have day KP they will be randomized and random ones will instead be changed to use the optional night KP instead, until there are 4 roles that have day KP".

Hosts could give more rules/guidelines so it's not so "bad" and every role could have a chance.

A main rule should be that the role MUST be usable for both town, scum and 3P. A balance talk with the role creator and hosts can determine how much each faction would use that role, how powerful it would be to each of them, etc.

After all is somewhat organized, alignments are sent.

Granted, I think this would need MORE than just 24 hours to create a role. It should be something like "Ok, this game (D1) starts in 1 week. You guys have 1 week to create your roles. You must first give a preliminary role to us 3 days before D1 so we can analyze it and contact you to discuss balance and changes".
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 19:28 GMT
#3637
I mean, some of the "problems" with these roles is the unpredictability of that stuff

Maybe 10 roles have day KP, and not a single one has a day-KP-protection one, or day-watchers, day-trackers, day-RBers, etc.
Maybe in another PTP there are 10 roles with night KP, while every medic/RB/etc works at day only.
Maybe there is not a single RBer, so neither scum can RB anybody, nor town can RB scum, and all blues run rampant and imba shit can happen
Maybe there are certain cool mechanics that nobody else takes advantage of but just 1 role, so that role may become dominant in that aspect and control the game, or it could just be less fun since there is less synergy and counterpoint between roles that use that mechanic (for instance DTs and GFs/Framers, etc)

It could just get balanced by luck or be totally fricking imba (to one faction or another).

It is possible for hosts to give those guidelines or do something so it's both more balanced and there are more interactions between roles and back-and-forths between them other than "dude X made super OP nuka-shot that killed 3 dudes on D1, dude Y gave 10 people lice on N1, dude Z stole votes from 3 players on D2", etc, where every role is just in it's own world or something.
But if you do that you take away freedom for players to create roles they want. If someone is creating a protective role, you can't force him to put night KP or a framer ability in there or something (whatever the hosts+rules say), he may not like it, the role may be worse, etc.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 19:44 GMT
#3639
On July 04 2013 04:36 austinmcc wrote:
PTP5: PY(PTP)

Everyone creates a role, roles are all in the open and get drafted?

e: With some extra roles thrown in or something.


PTP6: PT(PY(PTP))

Everybody creates a role. Roles are all out in the open and get drafted.
Everybody first chooses a role
Then you get the name of another player, and the role that player chose. Then you have to choose that players draft number.
After all are chosen, the usual draft sequence is made to determine who gets which role
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