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On June 23 2013 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:46 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Since I have yet to flip, I'm going to assume that was a fake day vig kill. go for it, no hosts are around to activate it thus we wait. You aren't dead until they post.
Well since I am thinking it's faked to try and get me to reveal more.....I will not be revealing any information. Honestly my reads are not good because it's day 1, killing me because of a poor fos on you is very strange. I would not have been able to get you lynched anyways.
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On June 23 2013 04:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:52 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:46 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Since I have yet to flip, I'm going to assume that was a fake day vig kill. go for it, no hosts are around to activate it thus we wait. You aren't dead until they post. Well since I am thinking it's faked to try and get me to reveal more.....I will not be revealing any information. Honestly my reads are not good because it's day 1, killing me because of a poor fos on you is very strange. I would not have been able to get you lynched anyways. its not your FoS you tard. Its you actively lying/trolling. Dont like it? Don't troll and lie. I don't care if your reads are good or bad. Don't post em with 0 reasoning. Then don't actively lie and make shit up when under pressure.
LOL. I trolled when everyone was trolling. When people started being serious I stopped trolling. I never lied.
So players should all just hide in corners and never post their reads? That's a good way to prevent town from giving their opinions to eachother.
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On June 23 2013 04:57 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 04:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:( 1 )I'm defending my FOS. You guys can think that I'm the worst player ever if you want. In all honestly I have no real reads, but you asked for some, so I attemped to give them. ( 2 ) Also BloodyCobbler has revealed he has a killing ability.  ( 3 ) My role is pretty weak / lame. I just giving you my opinion, you know in this game that is based on opinions? ( 4 ) Also if I was Mafia, It would be pretty dumb of me to gather this much attention. I find that this day has actually been fairly useful. Added the numbers myself: 1 - FoS is meaningless. if you have no reads, say so, and come up with some after you do some real reading of the thread. 2 - Are you serious? 3 - Once again, this has absolutely no alignment indication whatsoever. It doesn't matter what people's opinions of their roles are or whether they are in fact weak or strong---people can act in whatever way they feel like while having those roles. 4 - WIFOM Hey Acro. If I'm noobie town or bad scum, what does that make this guy? BC what did you just do Noob town. But he might just have gotten shot already, so we'll see soon enough.
As I have said, my intent was to get shot at night. I didn't anticipate BC actually killing me during the day. We will see how things go. :D
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On June 23 2013 05:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:52 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:46 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Since I have yet to flip, I'm going to assume that was a fake day vig kill. go for it, no hosts are around to activate it thus we wait. You aren't dead until they post. Well since I am thinking it's faked to try and get me to reveal more.....I will not be revealing any information. Honestly my reads are not good because it's day 1, killing me because of a poor fos on you is very strange. I would not have been able to get you lynched anyways. its not your FoS you tard. Its you actively lying/trolling. Dont like it? Don't troll and lie. I don't care if your reads are good or bad. Don't post em with 0 reasoning. Then don't actively lie and make shit up when under pressure. LOL. I trolled when everyone was trolling. When people started being serious I stopped trolling. I never lied. So players should all just hide in corners and never post their reads? That's a good way to prevent town from giving their opinions to eachother. What? I said dont post without reasonings. If you think x is town or x is mafia, why? The reasons you have for why someone is or isn't something is how other players can better base their own read on you -_- If i just generically post a list of who I think is town or mafia. What fucking information does that give you with no reasoning behind it? Dick fucking all.
I don't think you understand how day 1's work
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On June 23 2013 05:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:07 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 05:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:52 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 23 2013 04:46 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Since I have yet to flip, I'm going to assume that was a fake day vig kill. go for it, no hosts are around to activate it thus we wait. You aren't dead until they post. Well since I am thinking it's faked to try and get me to reveal more.....I will not be revealing any information. Honestly my reads are not good because it's day 1, killing me because of a poor fos on you is very strange. I would not have been able to get you lynched anyways. its not your FoS you tard. Its you actively lying/trolling. Dont like it? Don't troll and lie. I don't care if your reads are good or bad. Don't post em with 0 reasoning. Then don't actively lie and make shit up when under pressure. LOL. I trolled when everyone was trolling. When people started being serious I stopped trolling. I never lied. So players should all just hide in corners and never post their reads? That's a good way to prevent town from giving their opinions to eachother. What? I said dont post without reasonings. If you think x is town or x is mafia, why? The reasons you have for why someone is or isn't something is how other players can better base their own read on you -_- If i just generically post a list of who I think is town or mafia. What fucking information does that give you with no reasoning behind it? Dick fucking all. I don't think you understand how day 1's work I don't think you understand how this game works.
I didn't reveal I was a vigi on day one. I didn't get raged at trolls either.
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How long should we consider waiting before we realize BC just tried to fake day shoot me.
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On June 23 2013 05:15 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:00 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:57 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 04:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:( 1 )I'm defending my FOS. You guys can think that I'm the worst player ever if you want. In all honestly I have no real reads, but you asked for some, so I attemped to give them. ( 2 ) Also BloodyCobbler has revealed he has a killing ability. ( 3 ) My role is pretty weak / lame. I just giving you my opinion, you know in this game that is based on opinions? ( 4 ) Also if I was Mafia, It would be pretty dumb of me to gather this much attention. I find that this day has actually been fairly useful. Added the numbers myself: 1 - FoS is meaningless. if you have no reads, say so, and come up with some after you do some real reading of the thread. 2 - Are you serious? 3 - Once again, this has absolutely no alignment indication whatsoever. It doesn't matter what people's opinions of their roles are or whether they are in fact weak or strong---people can act in whatever way they feel like while having those roles. 4 - WIFOM Hey Acro. If I'm noobie town or bad scum, what does that make this guy? BC what did you just do Noob town. But he might just have gotten shot already, so we'll see soon enough. As I have said, my intent was to get shot at night. I didn't anticipate BC actually killing me during the day. We will see how things go. :D Not that this matters much, but I will never EVER understand this play. While there is nothing wrong with a VT getting shot at night, the way to do is not to claim you're a blue, which is more likely to get you lynched than shot, it is to put scum under pressure with good play, so they feel threatened by you. This is the second time in a game where someone comes from another forum with completely illogical D1 play with the "intention of drawing a shot on N1".. and ends up creating a shitstorm and getting town all batshit crazy. WHY?!!! /rant off
I never claimed that I am a blue. Where are you getting at with this?
Just because I am using a different strategy than you would use does not make it poor play or illogical.
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On June 23 2013 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:24 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 05:00 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 23 2013 04:57 Acrofales wrote:On June 23 2013 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 04:20 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:( 1 )I'm defending my FOS. You guys can think that I'm the worst player ever if you want. In all honestly I have no real reads, but you asked for some, so I attemped to give them. ( 2 ) Also BloodyCobbler has revealed he has a killing ability. ( 3 ) My role is pretty weak / lame. I just giving you my opinion, you know in this game that is based on opinions? ( 4 ) Also if I was Mafia, It would be pretty dumb of me to gather this much attention. I find that this day has actually been fairly useful. Added the numbers myself: 1 - FoS is meaningless. if you have no reads, say so, and come up with some after you do some real reading of the thread. 2 - Are you serious? 3 - Once again, this has absolutely no alignment indication whatsoever. It doesn't matter what people's opinions of their roles are or whether they are in fact weak or strong---people can act in whatever way they feel like while having those roles. 4 - WIFOM Hey Acro. If I'm noobie town or bad scum, what does that make this guy? BC what did you just do Noob town. But he might just have gotten shot already, so we'll see soon enough. As I have said, my intent was to get shot at night. I didn't anticipate BC actually killing me during the day. We will see how things go. :D Not that this matters much, but I will never EVER understand this play. While there is nothing wrong with a VT getting shot at night, the way to do is not to claim you're a blue, which is more likely to get you lynched than shot, it is to put scum under pressure with good play, so they feel threatened by you. This is the second time in a game where someone comes from another forum with completely illogical D1 play with the "intention of drawing a shot on N1".. and ends up creating a shitstorm and getting town all batshit crazy. WHY?!!! /rant off I never claimed that I am a blue. Where are you getting at with this? Just because I am using a different strategy than you would use does not make it poor play or illogical. You've been playing with Vayne haven't you?
Who? :p
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On June 23 2013 05:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:21 s0Lstice wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 23 2013 05:15 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS,
you are suggesting that BC, aware of his meta, is impersonating his town meta (losing temper) for the purposes of manipulation?
If so, how is this more likely than the simple explanation that 'BC is playing to his meta.' Remember Les Mafia? That's how. The reason meta works at all is because people play to it without realizing it. If meta was manipulable i.e. I know my meta and can therefore use it to confuse people...then meta would break down entirely. I think you believe what you are saying though, so I don't care so much about how correct I think your view on it is. You really think something this obvious that people recognize BC for is something he'd do without realizing it? This isn't a subtle tell we're talking about here like misspelling words or using certain phrases. Meta is completely manipulable on a grand scale; it's the subtle things that actually make meta reads useful. I found it particularly easy to play to my town meta on all the obvious points that people recognized me for, but I can think of a couple things I definitely did completely differently that game that nobody picked up on that would have gotten me nailed. Tell me this. If I am scum and you think I am faking my town meta just answer me this. Why would I bother shooting someone I think is actively fucking with the thread when its far easier to sit back and let him be a fucktard? Why would I not wait until someone appeared everyone wanted dead and shoot them, or just hold off and wait and strike at a more advantageous moment? I honestly don't care if you think I am scum or not, but arguing based on the fact I can change my own meta while not accounting for the rest of the things that should be accounted for is odd.
If you are scum you can get away with a free kill on someone and just say it was because he was trolling. If I flipped town, you claim I was trolling anti-town and have helped the town.
Also you can go ahead and stop pushing that you have day vig abilities. It's been over an hour.
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On June 23 2013 05:52 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
hosts totally afk the shot is real guys Posted 1 minute after the vote count. GG. Shot probably fake, or failed for some other reason. Which is weird, because both BC and sk8r seem convinced it had no reason to fail. Sk8r! Are you bulletproof?
Nope. I most certainly am not.
I was going to go cry of getting killed day 1 in my first TL Mafia game. But apparently, BC trolls the trolls with fake day vigi claims.
Ok so BC has -
Claimed to be vigi
Claimed to write his own role, aka vigi
Lied about shooting me, to either pressure me into revealing information or something. I was convinced it was real up until now.
I have no meta reasoning. People say this makes me illogical when really I need to do plays like this to gain information on them. I'm not going to read through all your past games to get an idea of the Meta.
I voted him for no reason, true. He then tunneled me hard and then tried to day shoot me. His reasonings were that I were being anti-town for not revealing reads on a troll post I made.
So grats, you forced me to hint at my role. Except now you revealed that you are lying about your role. I am not bulletproof in any way.
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On June 23 2013 06:27 Zephirdd wrote:
Now I'm just waiting for dat actions post .-.
Yep my last will.
I was actually not trolling. Please don't buddy onto someone who kills towns at a whim. You may be mad that I trolled and didn't have reasons for my trolling (day 1...) but I assure you everything I did had a reason.
My final ##lovetap
##Lovetap s0lstice
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On June 23 2013 06:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I was roleblocked -_-
Roleblocked after actions were sent?
I can confirm I got no feedback. BC was lying.
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On June 23 2013 06:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hold on though, Sent did say there were 4 actions, no?
Post says last few actions. But that implies three or more. Which means he actually attempted to shoot me or at least sent them an action saying that.
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On June 23 2013 06:38 Zephirdd wrote:
sk8r, play it out. Consider Dandel Ion's posting and tell me how town/antitown it is. You can redeem yourself, y'know
I think Dandel is fairly town. His trolling at start is not anti town, just bored day one shenanigans. He is probably the only one defending me and agreeing with my FOS. His initials posts were trolling, and then he came back to post seriously.
Also, because he did the ##Lovetap (unsure if his counts though) then he is likely not scum. I can only base this off me knowing my own alignment and knowing that scum know all of eachother. So scum would not want to give me the chance to use it. A town would expect that at worst if I was scum, my scum buddies would be able to charge my ability anyways, so it wouldn't hurt to do it. At best they would be giving me an oppurtunity to use my abilities against the scum.
I do not think trolling is a scum tell. His reactions to BC shooting me where that of a town berating a bad vigi.
Dandel to me right now is most likely a town member.
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On June 23 2013 06:53 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 06:48 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
I do not think trolling is a scum tell. His reactions to BC shooting me where that of a town berating a bad vigi. Why does this make you think he's town?
This in itself doesn't, but coupled with the rest of my post it helps add to my opinion of him as a town. From a town perspective, me not dying means that BC got lucky and didn't kill a town member.
Berating a vigi who will kill people that are anti town is in hopes that he will not continue day killing for no reason. A very pro town thing. However, since Dandel is in the same position as me i.e. Threatened by an over-emotional vigi. It makes sense that he is going to call him out on making a bad decision.
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On June 23 2013 07:29 geript wrote:I'll have to go bad and look again, but there's still no assurance you're town. My point is that berating someone for shooting anti-town town before they flip isn't something that town actually can do as they aren't informed on who's town or not. Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 05:41 Dandel Ion wrote:
why are you trying to play like in LXI? (need i remind you of the outcome?)
You could be trying to improve instead of repeating the same old mistakes, and you not doing so has a clear motivation as mafia since it's ez town meta to mold yourself into
As town, the explanation is basically that you are unwilling to learn from your mistakes. Do you want me to think that of you? Cuz it seems like you do. This post comes in wholly assuming that BC and St8ter are town. Yet, for much of this time Dandel has been pushing BC as a lynch target. Those mind sets don't match at all especially since Dandel was berating BC for shooting at anti town town. So why do you think that Dandel's actions make him look towny Sk8ter?
I can not prove I am town. It can only be stated and looked at retroactively to find other towns after I flip.
True, but everyone can agree that him using his day vig ability was not a good play. Town would not want the vig to go and kill again with such a poor reason.
A Mafia would not mind having a Vigi that randomly shoots town trolls, and would not speak against it.
I am not seeing what makes you think he is asusming BC and myself are town. He was comparing BC to another game and saying if he is town, he is not playing well. Dandel would assume that BC would not continue to play poorly and instead concluded that he is scum. *My interpretation, Dandel may have been thinking something else.
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On June 23 2013 08:47 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 07:50 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
I am not seeing what makes you think he is asusming BC and myself are town. He was comparing BC to another game and saying if he is town, he is not playing well. Dandel would assume that BC would not continue to play poorly and instead concluded that he is scum. *My interpretation, Dandel may have been thinking something else. In LXI BC played terribly and gave the game to scum on a silver platter. The assumption is that he's playing badly again and therefor town. But if he's playing badly and shoots you, that impugns that you're town (shooting scum d1 is good play obviously). Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 06:59 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Berating a vigi who will kill people that are anti town is in hopes that he will not continue day killing for no reason. A very pro town thing. However, since Dandel is in the same position as me i.e. Threatened by an over-emotional vigi. It makes sense that he is going to call him out on making a bad decision. The thing is as a vigi, you're supposed to kill anti town elements. How is it that you've come out of this whole D1 shot scenario with the fact that Dandel is town instead of trying to get a better read on BC or be able to build a good case on BC being scum?
The first thing sounds good.
The second part -
Killing anti town is not the same as killing scum. I will disagree with you there. Even if he believed I was anti town, acting on it day one is a poor move. I did post the new reads on BC after I believed it was fake, you are quoting only my most recent post.
While it's possible that someone created a role that can roleblock after something happened. I don't see any reason why someone wouldn't admit to at least making the role. I will say that I did not make that role.
I initially thought perhaps there was a day healer, but I had no message about being attacked, and dismissed that. Until someone claims that they created a role that can either roleblock someone after they declared their action (which btw is a terrible role. Seeing as it only affects day abilities. Be ashamed of yourself for giving someone that) then I think it is fake.
I know for sure I was not attacked and healed. What I conclude -
BC attempted to confuse me into revealing information about my role before death by faking a vigi kill and that he picked the role for himself, which is notably convenient. His reasoning was because I'm a troll and anti-town and that killing me early would prevent me from hurting the game in the future, by comparing me to other players who have apparently done this. I would like to say again, trying to Meta an unknown player and comparing me to players you know is not going to give you a good idea of my playstyle.
I am curious why other players are not seeing him as scummy after all this? Perhaps scum protecting.
Killing someone you think is a town because they posted something anti-town is even more Anti town.
@Solstice, what is your opinion on BC, and me while you are at it?
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On June 23 2013 08:56 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 08:33 s0Lstice wrote:
lol this should be good.
Acro...skater was the target of the shot, time is going to dilate for him while waiting for a mod post, hence he'll be the one to decide its fake first. There was literally only 20 minutes between the shot and sk8er assuming that it was fake, though. That is some very unrealistic expectations of a host (given that neither had shown signs of being here for hours before that point).
I had only two choices
either assume it's fake
or die
or maybe...##Lovetap Acrofales ?
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On June 23 2013 09:10 gonzaw wrote:
XXX, stop with this BC thing too, it's going nowhere.
Comment on other people and shit
...also can I call you XXX? Doesn't matter I'll still call you XXX.
Call me sk8. or sk8rgohan, or sk8rboi or anything, as long as it involves sk8. I might accidently overlook XXX thinking it's not me.
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On June 23 2013 09:16 geript wrote:
@Sk8ter. You missed my key question. How is it that pre-shot you have BC as 100% scum (of 130%) but aren't trying to use the shot to help divine BC's alignment? Your post shot conclusion is not a bigger better push on BC but that Dandel is town. Explain.
First of all, holding me to the 100% scum I said in a troll post is just silly. The shot is not alignment indicative, a Scum could just have easily received the ability. I do not know the player well enough to know if he would attempt it as a scum though. Others have mixed reasons, I can only take it as a possibility.
My post shot was initially that he is even more scummy. Later I posted why I thought Dandel is town because someone asked me to. If you want I can quote them for you and you can find their context. Or just filter.
I feel like scum is allowing this day to focus on just BC and I.
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